What I am really interested in is how this has affected game sales?
Obviously it will be impossible to get truly accurate stats, as games that use Denuvo don't have a DRM/anti-tamper free version to compare before/after to, but I'm mostly interested in games that had previous IP that WERE heavily pirated and to compare the sales to current games that are Denuvo protected.
Just Cause 3 sold less than 1/5th of Just Cause 2 numbers.
Same for Rise of Tomb Raider.
FIFA didn't budge in the slightest.
Mirror' Edge and Far Cry Primal were forgotten day 1.
>>342377606
It's funny how piracy died right around the time my will to pirate the garbage that is modern gaming died
>>342377606
So they actually lost sales with denuvo?
>>342378001
That's a hypothesis, but it could be that people just got tired of these franchises.
>>342378001
They didnt lose sales, it is as simple as without pirates there is less free publicity, less people talking about the game.
I didnt even knew mirrors edge 2 was out for fucks sake
>>342378001
Yes. Without a fucking doubt.
But no developer will ever dare admit this.
>>342377606
>Mirror' Edge
Wait, when the fuck did that even release?
>>342378214
I didn't either. I pulled up this week's zero punctuation and it took a moment to realize that MEC even existed.
>>342377606
Cant speak for Tomb Raider or FIFA, but the rest of those games were essentially the previous iteration with some things removed. I liked JC2, Mirrors Edge 1, and Far Cry 4 very much, but their sequels all regressed what was fun about them.
>>342378361
Unbelievable, every time the new ME is mentioned, we get posts like this. What a disastrous launch.
>>342377124
>cry for years that piracy is taking money out of your pocket
>pay a premium to end piracy
>sales don't increase
>net outcome of preventing piracy: lost money
>>342378535
Next they're gonna stop developing for PCs cause they don't see sales increases.
Executive businessman logic, everyone.
>>342377606
>Mirror' Edge and Far Cry Primal are already out
what the fuck
>>342378001
They lost word of mouth, you know, the only thing that influence if people buy video games nowadays.
>>342377124
it baffles me when people say shilling isn't real
>>342378001
Yeah they did. Piracy is free advertisement, and most people that pirate won't buy your game anyway even if they can't pirate it.
Unfortunately devs are way too retarded to realize this.
Only thing Denuvo does is stop free advertisement. There are other anti-piracy methods that are way better. If you're creative, like Croteam, and implement some funny anti-piracy method you're 100% guaranteed free advertisement - some pirates will get pissed, others will laugh, and media websites will report on the anti-DRM measure.
>>342377968
Fuck anon i am in same boat just don't feel playing everything is just bad.
Even new doom (thanks for steamshare) played to 7th level just don't feel like continuing.
>>342378535
>Take freedom from PC players
>Lose customers
Pretty much
>games with denuvo
>no sales
>all dead
>fallout 4
>is shit
>no denuvo
>top in every torrent website
>financial success
whats the lesson here?
I buy about 50% of the games I pirate, basically if they're any fun I'll buy them. Can't try before I buy if a game has Denuvo, so I'll just wait until games like JC3 and MGS cost nothing during a Steam sale
>>342378214
isn't that the same as losing sales though?
>>342378801
I also litteraly forget about the existence of those games. Good job Denuvo.
>>342377606
>the stopping of piracy is actually stopping shit games from seeing the light of day
You can't make this shit up
the video games industry is so ass backwards that companies will literally pay money for something that hurts their bottom line just to fuck over pirates, even though pirates literally help them
>>342379048
let your shit game be modable
>>342378907
Why in the world would someone shill Denuvo here?
Who here would buy Denuvo? 4chan is populated by consumers, not content creators. The media conglomerates that can actually afford and use Denuvo already know about it and make that decision privately by consulting with Denuvo's creators.
Shilling is very real on this site, but it's for video games and youtube e-celebs, not for DRM protection.
>>342377606
>>342378957
then there's also this >>342379101
a lot of people won't buy a game if they can't try it out - either because they want to see if the game is worth their money, or because they want to see how it runs on their PC. Since demos aren't a thing anymore, piracy is the only choice. If they eliminate piracy, people just won't buy those games until they're 20€ or less.
>>342377124
mirrors edge is particularly funny. the project got started solely because people kept posting tons and tons how they want anything new mirrors edge. it didn't matter, as long as there were more levels to parkour through etc.
it was probably the worst flop in the past decade, compared to its development costs.
>>342379048
Hand out demos to the game?
>>342377124
I've been pirating more this last 6 months that i've ever done in the last 4 or 5 years, deal with it.
>>342379269
Steamspy.
>>342377968
This. I don't even pirate any more because I don't even give a shit about anything coming out or has come out.
>Thought about pirating Fallout 4
>Looked so bad that I didn't even want to play it
>the sales of all these shit games are hurt!!
>I'm supposed to act like I care
This is actually good news. Pirates do nothing but shit up the market because they entice others to buy into the shit they did not. Praise denuvo.
>>342378512
Yeah I had no fucking clue. I thought maybe Q4 this year.
I don't think these are good examples, I mean, DA: Inquisition and MGS5 did fairly well, so did Doom.
Piratefag here.
D44M now has a demo, can someone run the numbers on pre/post demo sales? Didn't play the demo, PC is too shit.
>>342378957
>most people that pirate won't buy your game anyway even if they can't pirate it.
So much this. You can see their logic right there 'since they cant pirate the game, they will buy it for sure!'
>>342379269
It hurts, doesn't it?
>>342378214
MIRROR'S EDGE IS OUT ?
HOLLY SHIT
>>342377124
Who gives a shit?
What exactly is it prohibiting pirates from playing?
Such gems as Lord of the fallen? Far cry primal? DOOM? Mirrors edge?
Oh the horror, all these amazing games that are dead and forgotten 1-2 months after release.
The only game i was kind of bummed i couln't pirate was Total Warhammer and even then i remembered that i haven't genuinely enjoyed a total war game since Medieval 2.
>>342377606
Shitty games are dying and the market gets some integrity back. Looks like denuvo is saving video games.
>>342379498
Underrated post
>>342379512
no one even knows that doom has a demo
>>342377606
I love that you igoring the fact that games like just cause 2 and tomb raider were both in the indie bundles and $5 sales countless times
it's totally fair comparison m8
>>342378214
>They didnt lose sales
Already in discount
>>342379512
>>342379993
literally just found out thanks to your post
downloading rn
>>342379832
As a fag that bought Total War: Warhammer, I must say you made a great choice. I paid 40€ off of CDkeys but I kinda regret it. The game has literally no content.
>>342377606
lol. Denovo increases sales but not that much.
>>>342379512
>no one even knows that doom has a demo
Right. They briefly mentioned it during E3 but that's it
>>342380105
>>342379993
they fucking said it at e3 don't give me this "no one knows about it" crap
>>342377968
same here, switch from game controllers to Guitars and drums. Consoles to music production DAWS.
Figuratively, fuck video games and those who still play them.
>>342378214
>new ME is out
Hahahahaha holy shit
>>342380136
it's still quite fun, especially if you're a warhammer fan
I pirate partly because of its the easiest when i dont know if anything is going to work on my my computer, aswell as early access which we all know can terrible even if they have all the revenue they could ask for
There is lots of stuff companies can do to make torrents less of a problem either by making less or having a big turn over rate. Workshop and mods are huge for this. Demos can give some great word of mouth. Having lots of updates can make people want to get the version that updates itself so they dont have to constantly deal with redownloading. Hell even shitty online benefits can pull in some people. Starbound even encouraged people to torrent and they sold a ton of copies despite being in development for way to long
>>342380206
And who the fuck watched E3?
I most certainly didn't. But then again I don't have any consoles so I don't know.
Ow.
>>342380337
>who the fuck watched E3?
you can't make this shit up
>>342380275
Yet you're still on /v/. That's okay you'll probably come back when you realize all your music is mediocre and you'll never amount to anything, kill yourself. Denuvo is saving gaming from fags like you.
>>342378361
Just found this happened when you made this post. I don't think I can be arsed to even look for a youtube video, the concept art that I saw a year ago was very distasteful.
Wait they released Mirrors Edge?
>>342379126
Well, yeah, you can look it that way, i think if someone who dont event know about the game is not even a potential sale.
>>342380396
why are you comparing it to 3 instead of 4?
>>342380408
Not him, I didn't watch E3. Only the Berserk trailer, and Death Stranding.
>>342380396
It's because piracy!
>>342380415
>saving gaming
>saving shit
I put my shit in a toilet kid.
>>342377124
i'm playing a version of dragon age inquisition that says otherwise.
what was the anti-crap they used on gta5? that took longer to crack than anything denuvo. groups actually gave up on it and then bam, it got removed. whatever they used there, that was more powerful than any denuvo game.
why are these thread an hourly occurrence? like literally theres a denuvo thread every hour. is this modern trolling?
>>342379498
DA: I was cracked, so was MGS5, Doom is really top tier AAA franchise it will obviously do well. There is huge amount of shilling going on even without pirates.
>>342380490
Yes. It's pretty good.
>piracy is bad
There is a pretty famous book author, I forgot who, when asked about piracy in an interview. His response was, "was your first favorite book bought off the shelf off a whim or lent to you buy your friend? That's all piracy is. Except on a global scale. The ones who loved my books from piracy will go around telling praise of it and may even buy a copy."
Found it
https://youtu.be/0Qkyt1wXNlI
i've never bought a game "because i couldn't pirate it"
i've bought plenty of games at full retail price though
>>342378361
What a flop of a launch. I didn't know it was out for about a week after the fact, and apparently the game sucks anyway.
>>342380613
Lots of people pirate here, so retards like OP think it's perfect baitand they're right.
>>342377124
It didn't kill shit, bad games killed the piracy scene, like seriously name a game worth pirating that has come out in the last year.
The Witcher 3 is the last game I pirated but I said fuck it because it went on sale for $48 for the game and all the DLC.
>>342380578
>shitty games going down the toilet
>faggots like you not playing games anymore
Good riddance, yet you're still here.
>AAA games have been complete garbage for years across all platforms
>more garbage releases with Denuvo attached
>no ones dumb enough to buy the shit either way
>pirates cant play it and spread through viral or word of mouth
>game tanks on release and is never spoken of again
I dont really see an issue. Never pirated anything before anyway.
Ive always thought the pirating scene was wayyyy exaggerated, not THAT many people pirate.
Pc users are too busy playing 50 fucking games at once to be thirsty enough to pay $60 for consolized AAA crap.
>>342380667
>DA: I was cracked, so was MGS5
only the older non patched version.
>>342380396
>4 years old game vs 5 months old game
>>342377124
>Denuvo has effectively killed the PC piracy scene
You people don't understand there's not a single GOOD 64 bit debugger. Without a good debugger Denuvo can't be cracked. x64dbg is in heavy development still
Apparently Denuvo is a stealth field generator for your games, they just disappear from public conscience.
Is this how it stops pirates?
>reverse engineering is dead
>entropy is wrong
>denuvo has effectively revolutionized the science community
>this is what denuvofags actually believe
>>342380613
>>342380667
>Inquisition
i will say it took them like, three weeks to crack it, which drove a bunch of people who wanted to play it for the sole purpose of making fun of it crazy at the time. and it took even longer for there to be proper world state editing, so you either had to beg someone with a legit copy to import your shit from previous DA games or you had to roll with the default.
>>342380825
It's the same thing as the first game, just with more content. Fans of the first game will like it but it won't win over anyone else.
>>342380206
>>342380408
Most of the conferences were literally so late at night that some people consider it early morning over in Europe
No one east of the Berlin wall or south of the Mediterranean actually follows AAA gaming news
Normies don't watch conferences in general be it Europe or US.
Sorry anon, but you really overestimate the amount of people that give a shit about E3.
>>342381195
>literally 200000 people watching it live
>duuuuuuuuuh europe
you can't make this shit up
>>342380691
You should probably screencap this and post it in every piracy thread
People would stop with book analogies and pointless arguments
>>342379326
Well maybe they should have stuck with the fucking formula instead of making farcry on rooftops. Mirror's edge 2 is a fucking abortion of a game
>>342380396
>comparing a critically-acclaimed 4-years old full game to a 5-months old spinoff
wew lad
>>342379220
Denuvo also prevents total conversion mods, or anything that needs to touch the exe file.
>>342381132
what are you even on about? world state (saves) editing is entirely different than getting a game to run that has copy protection attached to it.
>>342380667
Doesn't that seem to dispel the idea that at least, for AAA titles, piracy does not seem to help move numbers. It may be possible for lesser known titles to get the word out, but it also entirely possible that these lesser known titles can be pirate fodder, where players opt out of buying an unknown game because it isn't that appealing unless its free instead of purchasing it on a steam sale.
Daily Reminder that a ruskie has reached 47% in cracking DOOM, week ago it was 17%
>mfw denuvofags will witness their demise
BTFO Happening
>>342380691
Fuck off Neil, I pirated all of your books :)
>>342381369
200k people is fucking nothing in a 100 billion dollar industry. Most people just don't care, and they would be right to do so, E3 is a pile of AAA horseshit. What a waste of time.
>>342381369
>200K
>a lot
It was a wreck though.
>>342381195
No one gives a shit about Europe in the vidya industry
>>342377968
>pirates are bitter faggots complaining how everything used to be better
Not surprising.
>>342377606
What about D44M?
>>342377606
It doesn't seem fair to compare the number of JC3 copies sold with JC2's numbers when the latter has been on sale under 5€ many times. The new coat of paint on Far Cry Primal didn't fool anyone and Mirror's Edge went in a shitty direction. I'm not saying Denuvo didn't hurt these games - if I could try Mirror's Edge and if it turned out as good as the first one I'd buy it - but there are too many other factors to really judge its impact in terms of sales. I doubt even 1% of pirates subsequently buy the games they like.
>>342381195
you dont have to watch conferecences live
look trailer counts for e3 videos.
even fucking youtube changed its logo to e3.
>lol e3 doesnt matter
people watched videos of game they interested on
>>342381478
yeah, i know it has nothing to do with denuvo, but it did keep some people from pirating. it was probably a better purchase motivator than the denuvo wait for anyone who genuinely liked the series.i'm tired so i guess i went off topic, sorry.
>>342377606
Honestly, I think DENUVO hurt Mirror's Edge sales, unless that game actually is a turd. I wouldn't know: it has DENUVO.
I imagine denuvo helped Lords of the Fallen, RoTR, JC3, and Far Cry Primal, since the last three already had plenty of visibility, and the first was the first game to remain uncracked for an extended period in years.
I bet there's a whole lotta buyer's remorse with JC3. (Not that I've played it.)
>>342381659
mfw when I bought it on console for $45 and sold it for 45
console masterrace, 100% the game and got to play the multiplayer which cracks cant do
>>342377124
If you want truely accurate results I'd wait for a year or two so we have a larger sample size to examine.
>pirate pirates a shitty game
>talks about it and posts about it
>gets other people to buy it
>this happens on a huge scale
>shitty games like far cry prosper because of it
>piracy is dead and this shit is tanking hard now
Is gaming finally being saved?
>>342381670
Me too, except they were audio books. His point still stands because I'll praise neverwhere.
>>342377606
How did Total Warhammer do?
Pretty much the only Denuvo game released that didn't look like ass.
>>342381874
>play an fps on console
jesus christ
>>342381476
i'm talking about fallout 4 tier mods, not change some textures modes
Owners: 627,080 already without any steamsales
got anything to say about this one salty piratescumbags?
>>342378957
This
Do some dumb bullshit like put out a fake "crack" that slaps an eyepatch on every character in the game and the worst that'll happen is someone will do an actual crack a few days later and you'll get some free advertising from people laughing about it
>>342381683
>>342381676
I wasn't talking about the entire industry you fucking illiterate faggots I was talking about the doom demo and how some other stupid bitch said "no one knows about it" even though literally hundreds of thousands of people probably heard about it live much less through word of mouth
jesus christ you can't even carry a conversation for 5 posts before it moves to something completely different
>>342381874
>mfw when
>playing a shooter with a controller
Yeah, I'd rather not play it at all.
>>342381787
i've read (and i forget where, so i can't cite it) where the point of denuvo isn't to stop piracy, but rather delay the time it takes to crack a game. because beyond a certain sales point, they don't care. ie you launch a game, its on all these platforms, people play it and love it. while meaning it hasn't been cracked yet. pirates don't get it at launch.
that to me seems the most reasonable approach. everything is going to get cracked given time. but you delay that time as much as you can and get sales instead.
>>342379445
Right here, I did buy fallout 4. But I pirated the dlc, installed it, didn't even play it (the dlc).
>>342381659
>Daily Reminder that a ruskie has reached 47%
so they can change to game options now?
impressive
>tfw i could buy denuvo games if i wanted
>tfw i don't because fuck this shit
>>342382062
What's there to say? Fallout is an immensely popular series and had hype beyond measure before its release. Of course it did well
It doesn't seem like any argument for piracy holds any water. Is that ironic? Since yknow, pirates used to sail on water. What is that? Is that a thing?
>>342382028
It did good. Even though strategy games are typically niche, total war games tend to sell pretty well.
>>342382028
Fastest selling Total War game
>>342381369
>200k
wtf
E3 is even more irrelevant than i thought
>>342382062
that's doom sales btw
>>342380396
Farcry 3 has been in tons of bundles and sales for less than 10 bucks for a while now, you can't really compare the two.
>>342381982
It doesn't work the same with games though.
There is Youtube, Twitch, Reddit, 4chan, Neogaff, game review sites and many other ways of checking out a game.
The piracy spreads awareness meme is not relevant for vidya because it isn't needed.
Don't believe to these retards saying Denuvo is responsible for less sales. Those games sold less just because they were bad. XCOM2 and Tomb Raider sold well with Denuvo.
Denuvo is literally destroying piracy with each passing day. You should go visit a popular torrent site and search for games there, you can see for yourself how less and less piratefags are downloading torrents because there is nothing new that can be pirated. A few years ago I used to see 5000-10000 seeders on newly released video game torrents. Now the number had reduced to less than 1000. Video game piracy traffic has been significantly reduced post 2015.
All upcoming AAA games will have Denuvo. Mass Effect Andromeda, Deus Ex, Dishonored 2, etc. These games will sell like hot cakes and piratefags won't be able to play them. I hope Bethesda Game Studios and CDPR also switches to Denuvo.
Its just going to take a bit longer for people to figure out how to crack it. In the meantime games really should invest on the good old playable demoes again, since although youtube videos makes it easier for people to see how the gameplay works, sharewares could still bring way more sales in.
>>342382376
>CDPR
>owns GOG
>DRM
Hah ok
>>342382363
And books have shit like bestseller lists and reviews and whatnot as well. More awareness is more awareness, it's literally never a bad thing. Word of mouth is pretty much the best possible advertising if something is actually good.
I want to play Just Cause 3, the new Hitman and DOOD MOOM but I won't because I refuse to buy games with Denuvo. That's 3 lost sales just from me.
>>342382109
Why the fuck are you so mad, who fucked your gf?
>>342382467
CDPR do own GoG
>>342380150
>taken from Denuvo's website where they use completely arbitrary #s that aren't researched one bit
Wow. Thanks for that hot information.
>>342382376
Denuvo shortens the life of your SSD dramatically so new games better not have it.
>muh master race
>hurr i payed 900$ for GPU
>hurr poor console fags stay in 30fps
>cant play 30$ to a game
this is really comedic.
>>342382553
No fucking shit that's what I said in my post can you read?
>>342382467
They should use Denuvo. Witcher 3 is heavily pirated.
>>342382376
Xcom 2 is not denuvo.
>>342382507
But unlike a book you can watch gameplay of a game, you have to read a book to know what it is like.
>>342382518
you refuse to pay anything but 5$ indie steam shit you fucking poor pirate cuck.
even those game were on st
>>342382620
And also an insanely successful game. CDPR doesn't care
>>342382608
That's FUD and there is no proof of it, the rumours about that are so bad even Denuvo themselves mentioned it on their website.
>>342382620
Witcher 3 pirate here, can confirm.
>>342382376
>counting CDPR as an average developer
>not by god like status they've achieved among creators in this field.
They have enough respect for their audience not to act like the Americans, French or Canadians.
>>342382376
> CDPR
That will never happen they have stated multiple times how much they dislike DRM.
>>342382659
Amazon often has samples of the first chapter of a book, especially if they're also selling it digitally.
>>342382363
>>342382363
>There is Youtube, Twitch, Reddit, 4chan, Neogaff, book review sites and many other ways of checking out a book.
Also YOU CAN GO TO YOUR PUBLIC LIBRARY AND LITERALLY RENT IT FOR FREE, LEGALLY.
Libraries are killing the book industry! Oh wait.
>>342382609
There's a difference between "can't pay" and being able to get it cheaper later down the line, or for free.
>>342382851
Still doesn't change the fact that word of mouth for vidya is irelevant.
>>342382376
>XCOM 2
>Declaring that they were going to make their game extremely mod friendly
>using Denuvo
Truly Denuvofags have actually lost their minds are retarded.
I hope you die even if you're just shitposting.
>>342382542
this is about the caliber of conversation I would expect from /v/
>>342382987
ha, nah. That's the only correct way to learn about a game. .
>>342377968
Yeah, I'm only interested in Quantum Break, and I could pirate that if I wanted to, which I haven't because of Win10.
Mass Effect Andromeda will be the only game that bothers me, since there's no way in hell I'm supporting Bioware.
>>342378001
Doubt it, but a lot of people went to sites like G2A
>>342379048
>games with denuvo, no sales, all dead
No they aren't, you tard.
>this is what piratefags tell themselves as the cry themselves to sleep
>>342379101
>I buy about 50% of the games I pirate
I've pirated 100s of games and never payed for any except the odd used copy for a console
>>342379328
>Hand out demos to the game?
The only reason I can imagine that publishers/developers DON'T release demos is that they know people will play their game and find out it's shit. Then they don't get the money from impulse buys or people who are carefree with their money. These are huge corporations, and they spend money on market research. If they don't release demos, it's because it doesn't make financial sense for them to do so.
>>342379512
You get to play the first level FOR A WEEK. Then Bethesda is shutting down that access for everyone, even people haven't had a chance to try it, according to what they said at E3.
>>342379931
FANTASY
>>342382987
One of the most successful video games ever made Minecraft was spread through word of mouth and has rapant piracy. You don't know shit
>>342382553
wew lad... Just wew...
>>342382659
No you don't. You can get the cliffnotes and get the jist of it which is all you will ever need.
>>342382743
Wow. Thank god Denuvo weighed in and said it wasn't true. I'm sure they are about as reliable as Cigarette companies who said for years that research had shown that their product was not deadly to people.
>>342383093
>That's the only correct way to learn about a game. .
You keep telling yourself that, you might actually convince yourself it is true.
>>342383025
Denuvo only prevents tampering with the .exe and doesn't prevent modding at all. Total Warhammer has some great modding.
>>342383265
Good mods require changing the exe ;)
>>342377606
Why do people even link these with denuvo when everyone knows that these games are mediocre as fuck ESPECIALLY Mirrors Edgr and Primal.
When all these games came out they had specified threads. Even go to dedicated pirate sites and You would at least find 10. Posters saying
>where's da crack
>is the crack out yet
>did the Chinese make a crack yet
>????
>fuck it I'm just going to buy it because no crack
why do we hate denuvo? It is saving PC gaming.
so how should cdpr handle ciri? you fucking know they're going to include her somewhere. at the least i expect you'll see a girl dizzying and coming to in the background, and then see her zoom off into a new portal or something.
at best, they give you an entire quest about helping ciri jump to the next world (getting back to geralt). there are so many possibilities.
>>342382743
Denuvo said so? Wow, And Windows 10 doesnt secretly spy on your shit just because Microsoft said so. No need to download third party programs that block that shit people, Windows 10 is perfectly okay! And Denuvo too!
>>342382724
>make a good game
>enough people pay for it even with the piracy to make way more than development
Wow who'd a thought not making shit games would make consumers buy a product
>>342383104
Like a holocaust holocaust denier.
Denuva is filtering out what is shit game design and what isn't.
We are well past that point. Denuva SIGNIFIES a bad game. That's really the only thing you need to know about a game to tell it's shit or not.
>google if game has Denuva
>Yes/no
>Interesting game-play is probably under 10 hours
skip
>>342377968
to be honest I've only been playing 6th and 7th gen games over the past year with the exception of MGSV and Tales of Zestiria and I dropped MGSV at some point early on
>>342383347
That's never been true for total war.
>>342379048
Make your game a household name? Fallout 4 was going to sell a shitton of copies no matter what. It's fucking fallout.
>>342383262
(you)
here
>>342378214
Holy shit, you're not joking. It actually is out.
>>342383591
Total War Warhammer proves you wrong. Stay mad.
>>342381541
reason why people pirate games is because they arent gonna pay 60euro especially in poorfag countries. So it doesnt really matter if its available to pirate or not they arent gonna buy it anyway. We cant really speculate what amount of pcs. doom would have shipped if it was available as pirate download, since it would have been financial succes either way. Just look at thing like skyrim, fallout, those game were literally cracked on releaase, with no multiplayer still top of the list on sales.
>>342383756
Learned about it today myself, quick search through some media site, apparently it wasn't received well.
but again, crazy how under the radar it is.
What happened to the poor piratefaggots that used to say Denuvo v3 will be cracked soon?
They literally made a subreddit to wait for Just Cause 3 crack. Some say they are still waiting for the crack to arrive.
>>342382628
correct, I pirated it and it was shit.
>Deus Ex Mankind Divided has Denuvo
>there's already a demo for the game
>but they're not going to leak it this time around because they clearly don't give a shit anymore
Such a shame.
>>342383449
>mobile posters
>>342383817
Total war games have sucked for a minute dude...
>>342377606
>>342378001
It's a theory but let's remember this
CDProjekt had made patches to pirate their game when witcher 1 was released and did it again when 2 released
The FTL guys trolled then later patched his game for pirates(he made a game that crashed at first but later fixed some bugs and released a patch for pirates )
Some other developer did this but point is pirates never killed a company , the company typically kill themselves first
THQ spend years blaming pirates when in actuality they lost due to that waco drawing gimmick
Pirating potentially saved Deus Ex from a potential horrible launch after all the bad reputation it was getting for being extremely different and action oriented in the trailers
>>342383449
>>fuck it I'm just going to buy it because no crack
said noone ever.
>be me
>see discusting and immature behavior of certain part of PC gamers
>they call themselves unironically PC master race
>they behave like bunch of retarded children
>some of them are even doing PCMR shit in real life
>still be me
>don't want to support a platform that has such a retarded audience that is supposed to be more mature (everybody an consoles is ofc a kid)
>literally stopped buying games on PC
>pirate and play everything on PC
>buy console version of the game instead
>haven't bought a game on PC for like a 2 years
>devs see consoles make more money
>devs focus on consoles
>now see I can't play the game because of denuvo
>don't want to buy a PS4 or XO
>now what?
>>342377124
>Denuvo has effectively killed the PC piracy scene
Now watch as sales remain unaffected and how long it takes for publishers to realize DENUVO licensing is not worth it.
>>342383882
>They literally made a subreddit
Why don't you go there and ask them?
>>342383882
Honestly the best thing about Denuvo is threads like these and the entire CrackStatus subreddit where piratefags get super salty.
>>342377124
It's not like PC players even buy games anyway, it's either pirated games or f2p mobas.
I'd like to thank Denuvo for helping me find better hobbies
the thing about game piracy (with me and i think with most people who pirate) is that if i'm going to pirate the game, i had no intention of buying it anyway, and if i can't pirate it then i'm not going to buy it and will eventually just forget about it and go back to playing those 2 or 3 online MP games that always satisfies the gaming itch.
All this thread is showing me is that pirate fags bolster sales for shitty games. Good riddance to piracy.
>>342382142
>>342382031
>what is xim4
>>342383716
I don't understand why you fags try so hard to dismiss facts.
There is literally no need for word of mouth for vidya in this day and age. There is so much coverage and user content that word of mouth is obsolete.
The only place word of mouth is relevant for vidya is third world huehuehue lands with no internet.
>>342384005
Classic
>th-th-they just suck anyway!!!
>>342377606
I seriously can't tell if it's just a coincidental string of bad games, but I seriously forgot any of these came out. Except FIFA which is about as certain as rising each day.
>>342377124
At least with Denuvo devs can't balme pirates for poor sales
>>342384130
Something you don't have.
>>342384084
Yeah a lot of people install games for free... and then proceed to spend a hundred dollars on microtransactions. Ironically, free games generate the most revenue.
>>342384039
>Now watch as sales remain take a slight dip because there's less people talking about it.
>Nobody is buying our games
>well at least people didn't get to enjoy them for free even though they probably wouldn't have bought it anyway! That'll show them!
Anyone got month 1 sales of just case 2 compared to month 1 just cause 3?
Or month 1 between the two tomb raider titles?
>>342383449
Primal sold well. Mirror's Edge 2 didn't. I don't think your opinions entirely represent the beliefs of the market at large.
Also, people buying mediocre games is not saving PC gaming
>>342377968
Pretty much this.
I pirated, because i wanted to try games out and if the game was good (rare cases ) i ended up buying it. Most games got deleted a few days/hours later.
Now with Denuvo games, I just assume/make an educated guess that the game is shit (in 99% its actually is) and move on. So the only thing Denuvo accomplished, is saving my Bandwith for downloading/hoarding shit.
Now I donwload less stuff and buy less games than I used to.
Thanks Denuvo.
But I wonder on what devs are blaming low sales now? Do they now actually have to admit, that their games are shit?
>>342384160
Why are you so mad, bro?
Just accept that no one gives a damn about the shitty games that are protected by denuvo
>>342380943
>>AAA games have been complete garbage for years across all platforms
I think this is the main reason. AAA always meant bigger budget to realize your vision, even if it meant subjecting the project to publisher's whims, but holy shit nowadays everyone is playing it safe as fuck. It's always TPS this, FPS that and they're essentially riding the same fads which makes them just reskins of each other.
is denuvo still a thing? i pirate all the time and haven't noticed
>>342384160
Total War hasn't been good since Shogun2
>>342382376
>there is no AAA to download
>there is less people downloading torrents!!!
wow thats some top tier brain activity you got there.
>I didn't want to pirate those games anyway
Can't wait for Mass Effect: Andromeda. Whole /v/ will be discussing that game and pirates will be crying in a corner saying "I don't want to play that game anyway, it is bad".
>>342377124
people thought securom killed pc piracy just give it two - three years time
>>342380880
>bad games killed the piracy scene
Retarded
>>342383882
>Some say they are still waiting for the crack to arrive
Like religious fanatics waiting on the rapture
>>342384039
>realize DENUVO licensing is not worth it.
It's cheap, dummy
>>342384126
You just want to believe that, evidence is to the contrary. Look up LoTF's sales, MILLIONs, for that uninspired game
>>342384097
What have you been getting into? I'm int he same boat anon, on average I use to spend around $100 on video games (Pirate a game, if I liked it, usually bought the license.) Cut that back to maybe $5 every other month. Gaining actual skills is infinitely more rewarding. Even scheming on how to rip people off with my own cheaply made game.
>>342384126
other way around mate
pirates tell you what game is shit so you dont have to buy it
without knowing what the game really is you have to trust shills and you end up buying a shitty game
>>342384516
>>342384483
>I haven't played them
You should get on that.
>>342382376
XCom 2 doesn't have denuvu
In fact the game was pirate able the day before release just a bit buggy
>>342377124
>they use this shit on AAA western trash
>I never even think about trying them anymore
>still spend loads of cash on weebshit even though it's easy to pirate
EA will never get my money.
>>342377968
This. Stopped pirating about when mass effect 3 came out, pretty much stopped playing new games in general.
>>342384516
>copy paste units 2: electric boogaloo
>better than Attila or Warhammer
Educate yourself.
>>342384584
Yeah, but publishers are always looking to maximize their shekels per-game. You can bet someone out there is crunching Denuvo cost vs lost sales/no effect on sales figures.
>>342384584
>Look up LoTF's sales, MILLIONs, for that uninspired game
On PC? 400k or so.
Wait are you saying Denuvo is responsible for people buying the game on console? Are you retarded?
>>342384154
The internet shit. It's a lot different then how it was back in the early/mid 00's.
Word of mouth is definitely better. You're just hopelessly addicted. Nothing wrong with that, to each their own.
>>342384701
PC is for edgy. Dark Souls is edgy. They knew they needed to get in on that money.
>>342384557
I'll just buy it for 30$ on a keysite then. No money for them,and i can play their shitty game.
>>342384154
What do you think forums and places like this are? Word of mouth definitely exists, it's simply gone digital.
>>342384516
true, fuck I miss those those days. Empire started the trend.
>>342384734
so what the reality is that denuvo games that don't get cracked don't show any profit increases because the pirates just passed on the game entirely?
The thing I find stupid about Denuvo is it basically kills modding. Like Just Cause 3, let's just prevent the thing that led a lot more people to buy Just Cause 2.
>>342384154
You think I'm going to watch 30 minutes of some faggot playing a game to form an opinion? Reading a few posts is far more efficient.
>>342384557
See my post here >>342383104, you are a corporate dickwhipped faggot if you support Bioware's shitty games. Keep rewarding their bad games to get more of the same, cunt.
>>342378957
This isn't 100% foolproof though I would have bought Zestria but I was wary and pirated it first.
>>342384557
Anon...Do you remember Mass Effect 3? Why the fuck would you play a Mass Effect game after that?
>>342383817
Who even cares about yet another Total War reskin? They've been selling the same game over and over again since Rome. That's 12 years of constant rehashing.
Not him and not planning on shifting the goalposts, but I'm genuinely puzzled how people still manage to muster any enthusiasm for the series.
>>342384031
>be me
stopped reading there
gtfo faggot
>>342377606
Of course FIFA didn't budge the slightest. You're talking about dudebro gamers that don't know how to pirate.
>>342382376
W3 literally had an entire area and quest in it about making fun of DRM, CDPR last dev who's going to add any.
I love how everyone compare previous titles that have been out for three years with -50% sales on steam to boost the sales count and use all of that against titles that have yet gone past a month or have a sale yet on Steam.
Seeing how most users citate the use of steam spy only I'm also referencing only that.
>>342385057
>Warhammer
>reskin
I like talking shit about games I know nothing about too, but come on.
>>342384649
same here, most of the weebshit is trash but I've been finding some diamonds in the rough. They really don't have that bad of scene. Would have never known if it were not for the end of Western game piracy.
>>342384874
You think those keys are gotten for free? Even if you pay less for it they'll still get that money. And some money is better than no money.
>>342377124
>all these pirates in the thread
>all assblasted
cry some more you fucking scum
>just be patient Denuvo isnt fucking invincible you drugged up autist
>>342379048
That you shouldn't attempt yearly releases on hippy/gimmick franchises.
Denuvo didn't change shit, the people complaining about it would never have bought those games in the first place.
People should just accept that the video game market is severely bubbled up at this point, to many games are being made and consumers don't have the time or the money to play and make all of them successful.
Games are being produced and sold like american action movies and it simply does not add up anymore.
>>342379484
Neither did i.
>>342384935
Not the same guy but its because piracy still generate a buzz of its own.
>Oh man I played game X and its awesome!
Whether you pirated it or not you're generating positive buzz about the game which might get more people to buy it. When something like Denuvo gets in the way and excludes pirates you suddenly have less buzz people certain percentage of players didn't play the game. Not to mention they might get bitter and just shitpost about it because they can.
>>342385220
anon is correct in this case.
>>342384154
lol what? Companies literally hire shills to post threads about there games. Pirates are free advertisment since more of often then not they arent going to buy there game either way.
>>342377606
I was going to pirate Mirror's Edge 2 and probably would have talked about it a bunch with some of my friends who might have bought it. But since it had Denuvo, I just didn't bother, and I didn't hear anyone talk about it. I suspect it's a similar story.
>>342383818
Yep 60eu is 4 day pay in my country if you make minimum, or neet.
Not gonna drop cash on a game that has no longevity
>All these pro-denuvo posts
In case you aren't just fishing for reactions, take a minute to look at yourself. You have actually been convinced to be proud of spending money.
>>342378801
Bonus points for Mirror's Edge Catalyst's endingIt's almost exactly like the end to the first one, only with even less gameplay and it resolves even less as well.
>>342377124
it's effectively killed the pc piracy scene on the few games that use it.
>>342385402
>ill steal your car
>lol its free advertisement for whoever wants a Honda
you seriously cannot be this retarded can you?
Isn't it surprising how some people can't even afford 60$ to play a video game? Like holy shit how poor can you be. You can earn 60$ in a few hours.
>>342384753
A least the game sold as well on PS4 as it did on PC. That doesn't happen when the PC version is up on torrent sites on day one.
You can compare the sales to metacritic user votes for console and PC for those games that are cracked vs those games that are uncracked. Without Denuvo, games sell 1/5th as much on PC as compared to console.
>>342381821
I've seen mixed reviews. I'd like to try it for myself, because ME1 also had mixed reviews, but there's no demo or anything and since I can't pirate it it just means I won't buy it ever unless it goes for like £5 on steam.
>>342384701
Because Souls games were always a perfect fit for PC, just like Dragon's Dogma. Shame latter was released way too late to make an impact on PC.
>>342378214
> without pirates there is less free publicity
somehow I believe that.
>>342385346
No, anyone that thinks Warhammer is a TW reskin simply hasn't played it, or has brain damage.
>>342385443
Look at how much publicity it apparently got at launch. (didn't realize it was out till today)
that's an obvious sign of a shit AAA game.
excluding the large franchise(most cases not even those as they still fail)
There is no proof denovo helped in any way and a lot of theories to show that ,if anything, it was worse for the developer and publisher
ME2 , FC:P , Mad Max didn't break even until recently I think , Doom has critical praise from the press but average folks barely talk about the game and you can't mod the game without a editor application made by Bethesda themselves(i.e. Limited creations)
Denuvo so far is just making word of mouth much more rarer and in days where the economy for many countries is down in the shitter or just as bad
