Denuvo has effectively killed the PC piracy scene
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What I am really interested in is how this has affected game sales?
Obviously it will be impossible to get truly accurate stats, as games that use Denuvo don't have a DRM/anti-tamper free version to compare before/after to, but I'm mostly interested in games that had previous IP that WERE heavily pirated and to compare the sales to current games that are Denuvo protected.
Just Cause 3 sold less than 1/5th of Just Cause 2 numbers.
Same for Rise of Tomb Raider.
FIFA didn't budge in the slightest.
Mirror' Edge and Far Cry Primal were forgotten day 1.
>>342377606
It's funny how piracy died right around the time my will to pirate the garbage that is modern gaming died
>>342377606
So they actually lost sales with denuvo?
>>342378001
That's a hypothesis, but it could be that people just got tired of these franchises.
>>342378001
They didnt lose sales, it is as simple as without pirates there is less free publicity, less people talking about the game.
I didnt even knew mirrors edge 2 was out for fucks sake
>>342378001
Yes. Without a fucking doubt.
But no developer will ever dare admit this.
>>342377606
>Mirror' Edge
Wait, when the fuck did that even release?
>>342378214
I didn't either. I pulled up this week's zero punctuation and it took a moment to realize that MEC even existed.
>>342377606
Cant speak for Tomb Raider or FIFA, but the rest of those games were essentially the previous iteration with some things removed. I liked JC2, Mirrors Edge 1, and Far Cry 4 very much, but their sequels all regressed what was fun about them.
>>342378361
Unbelievable, every time the new ME is mentioned, we get posts like this. What a disastrous launch.
>>342377124
>cry for years that piracy is taking money out of your pocket
>pay a premium to end piracy
>sales don't increase
>net outcome of preventing piracy: lost money
>>342378535
Next they're gonna stop developing for PCs cause they don't see sales increases.
Executive businessman logic, everyone.
>>342377606
>Mirror' Edge and Far Cry Primal are already out
what the fuck
>>342378001
They lost word of mouth, you know, the only thing that influence if people buy video games nowadays.
>>342377124
it baffles me when people say shilling isn't real
>>342378001
Yeah they did. Piracy is free advertisement, and most people that pirate won't buy your game anyway even if they can't pirate it.
Unfortunately devs are way too retarded to realize this.
Only thing Denuvo does is stop free advertisement. There are other anti-piracy methods that are way better. If you're creative, like Croteam, and implement some funny anti-piracy method you're 100% guaranteed free advertisement - some pirates will get pissed, others will laugh, and media websites will report on the anti-DRM measure.
>>342377968
Fuck anon i am in same boat just don't feel playing everything is just bad.
Even new doom (thanks for steamshare) played to 7th level just don't feel like continuing.
>>342378535
>Take freedom from PC players
>Lose customers
Pretty much
>games with denuvo
>no sales
>all dead
>fallout 4
>is shit
>no denuvo
>top in every torrent website
>financial success
whats the lesson here?
I buy about 50% of the games I pirate, basically if they're any fun I'll buy them. Can't try before I buy if a game has Denuvo, so I'll just wait until games like JC3 and MGS cost nothing during a Steam sale
>>342378214
isn't that the same as losing sales though?
>>342378801
I also litteraly forget about the existence of those games. Good job Denuvo.
>>342377606
>the stopping of piracy is actually stopping shit games from seeing the light of day
You can't make this shit up
the video games industry is so ass backwards that companies will literally pay money for something that hurts their bottom line just to fuck over pirates, even though pirates literally help them
>>342379048
let your shit game be modable
>>342378907
Why in the world would someone shill Denuvo here?
Who here would buy Denuvo? 4chan is populated by consumers, not content creators. The media conglomerates that can actually afford and use Denuvo already know about it and make that decision privately by consulting with Denuvo's creators.
Shilling is very real on this site, but it's for video games and youtube e-celebs, not for DRM protection.
>>342378957
then there's also this >>342379101
a lot of people won't buy a game if they can't try it out - either because they want to see if the game is worth their money, or because they want to see how it runs on their PC. Since demos aren't a thing anymore, piracy is the only choice. If they eliminate piracy, people just won't buy those games until they're 20€ or less.
>>342377124
mirrors edge is particularly funny. the project got started solely because people kept posting tons and tons how they want anything new mirrors edge. it didn't matter, as long as there were more levels to parkour through etc.
it was probably the worst flop in the past decade, compared to its development costs.
>>342379048
Hand out demos to the game?
>>342377124
I've been pirating more this last 6 months that i've ever done in the last 4 or 5 years, deal with it.
>>342379269
Steamspy.
>>342377968
This. I don't even pirate any more because I don't even give a shit about anything coming out or has come out.
>Thought about pirating Fallout 4
>Looked so bad that I didn't even want to play it
>the sales of all these shit games are hurt!!
>I'm supposed to act like I care
This is actually good news. Pirates do nothing but shit up the market because they entice others to buy into the shit they did not. Praise denuvo.
>>342378512
Yeah I had no fucking clue. I thought maybe Q4 this year.
I don't think these are good examples, I mean, DA: Inquisition and MGS5 did fairly well, so did Doom.
Piratefag here.
D44M now has a demo, can someone run the numbers on pre/post demo sales? Didn't play the demo, PC is too shit.
>>342378957
>most people that pirate won't buy your game anyway even if they can't pirate it.
So much this. You can see their logic right there 'since they cant pirate the game, they will buy it for sure!'
>>342379269
It hurts, doesn't it?
>>342378214
MIRROR'S EDGE IS OUT ?
HOLLY SHIT
>>342377124
Who gives a shit?
What exactly is it prohibiting pirates from playing?
Such gems as Lord of the fallen? Far cry primal? DOOM? Mirrors edge?
Oh the horror, all these amazing games that are dead and forgotten 1-2 months after release.
The only game i was kind of bummed i couln't pirate was Total Warhammer and even then i remembered that i haven't genuinely enjoyed a total war game since Medieval 2.
>>342377606
Shitty games are dying and the market gets some integrity back. Looks like denuvo is saving video games.
>>342379498
Underrated post
>>342379512
no one even knows that doom has a demo
>>342377606
I love that you igoring the fact that games like just cause 2 and tomb raider were both in the indie bundles and $5 sales countless times
it's totally fair comparison m8
>>342378214
>They didnt lose sales
Already in discount
>>342379512
>>342379993
literally just found out thanks to your post
downloading rn
>>342379832
As a fag that bought Total War: Warhammer, I must say you made a great choice. I paid 40€ off of CDkeys but I kinda regret it. The game has literally no content.
>>342377606
lol. Denovo increases sales but not that much.
>>>342379512
>no one even knows that doom has a demo
Right. They briefly mentioned it during E3 but that's it
>>342380105
>>342379993
they fucking said it at e3 don't give me this "no one knows about it" crap
>>342377968
same here, switch from game controllers to Guitars and drums. Consoles to music production DAWS.
Figuratively, fuck video games and those who still play them.
>>342378214
>new ME is out
Hahahahaha holy shit
>>342380136
it's still quite fun, especially if you're a warhammer fan
I pirate partly because of its the easiest when i dont know if anything is going to work on my my computer, aswell as early access which we all know can terrible even if they have all the revenue they could ask for
There is lots of stuff companies can do to make torrents less of a problem either by making less or having a big turn over rate. Workshop and mods are huge for this. Demos can give some great word of mouth. Having lots of updates can make people want to get the version that updates itself so they dont have to constantly deal with redownloading. Hell even shitty online benefits can pull in some people. Starbound even encouraged people to torrent and they sold a ton of copies despite being in development for way to long
>>342380206
And who the fuck watched E3?
I most certainly didn't. But then again I don't have any consoles so I don't know.
Ow.
>>342380337
>who the fuck watched E3?
you can't make this shit up
>>342380275
Yet you're still on /v/. That's okay you'll probably come back when you realize all your music is mediocre and you'll never amount to anything, kill yourself. Denuvo is saving gaming from fags like you.
>>342378361
Just found this happened when you made this post. I don't think I can be arsed to even look for a youtube video, the concept art that I saw a year ago was very distasteful.
Wait they released Mirrors Edge?
>>342379126
Well, yeah, you can look it that way, i think if someone who dont event know about the game is not even a potential sale.
>>342380396
why are you comparing it to 3 instead of 4?
>>342380408
Not him, I didn't watch E3. Only the Berserk trailer, and Death Stranding.
>>342380396
It's because piracy!
>>342380415
>saving gaming
>saving shit
I put my shit in a toilet kid.
>>342377124
i'm playing a version of dragon age inquisition that says otherwise.
what was the anti-crap they used on gta5? that took longer to crack than anything denuvo. groups actually gave up on it and then bam, it got removed. whatever they used there, that was more powerful than any denuvo game.
why are these thread an hourly occurrence? like literally theres a denuvo thread every hour. is this modern trolling?
>>342379498
DA: I was cracked, so was MGS5, Doom is really top tier AAA franchise it will obviously do well. There is huge amount of shilling going on even without pirates.
>>342380490
Yes. It's pretty good.
>piracy is bad
There is a pretty famous book author, I forgot who, when asked about piracy in an interview. His response was, "was your first favorite book bought off the shelf off a whim or lent to you buy your friend? That's all piracy is. Except on a global scale. The ones who loved my books from piracy will go around telling praise of it and may even buy a copy."
Found it
https://youtu.be/0Qkyt1wXNlI
i've never bought a game "because i couldn't pirate it"
i've bought plenty of games at full retail price though
>>342378361
What a flop of a launch. I didn't know it was out for about a week after the fact, and apparently the game sucks anyway.
>>342380613
Lots of people pirate here, so retards like OP think it's perfect baitand they're right.
>>342377124
It didn't kill shit, bad games killed the piracy scene, like seriously name a game worth pirating that has come out in the last year.
The Witcher 3 is the last game I pirated but I said fuck it because it went on sale for $48 for the game and all the DLC.
>>342380578
>shitty games going down the toilet
>faggots like you not playing games anymore
Good riddance, yet you're still here.
>AAA games have been complete garbage for years across all platforms
>more garbage releases with Denuvo attached
>no ones dumb enough to buy the shit either way
>pirates cant play it and spread through viral or word of mouth
>game tanks on release and is never spoken of again
I dont really see an issue. Never pirated anything before anyway.
Ive always thought the pirating scene was wayyyy exaggerated, not THAT many people pirate.
Pc users are too busy playing 50 fucking games at once to be thirsty enough to pay $60 for consolized AAA crap.
>>342380667
>DA: I was cracked, so was MGS5
only the older non patched version.
>>342380396
>4 years old game vs 5 months old game
>>342377124
>Denuvo has effectively killed the PC piracy scene
You people don't understand there's not a single GOOD 64 bit debugger. Without a good debugger Denuvo can't be cracked. x64dbg is in heavy development still
Apparently Denuvo is a stealth field generator for your games, they just disappear from public conscience.
Is this how it stops pirates?
>reverse engineering is dead
>entropy is wrong
>denuvo has effectively revolutionized the science community
>this is what denuvofags actually believe
>>342380613
>>342380667
>Inquisition
i will say it took them like, three weeks to crack it, which drove a bunch of people who wanted to play it for the sole purpose of making fun of it crazy at the time. and it took even longer for there to be proper world state editing, so you either had to beg someone with a legit copy to import your shit from previous DA games or you had to roll with the default.
>>342380825
It's the same thing as the first game, just with more content. Fans of the first game will like it but it won't win over anyone else.
>>342380206
>>342380408
Most of the conferences were literally so late at night that some people consider it early morning over in Europe
No one east of the Berlin wall or south of the Mediterranean actually follows AAA gaming news
Normies don't watch conferences in general be it Europe or US.
Sorry anon, but you really overestimate the amount of people that give a shit about E3.
>>342381195
>literally 200000 people watching it live
>duuuuuuuuuh europe
you can't make this shit up
>>342380691
You should probably screencap this and post it in every piracy thread
People would stop with book analogies and pointless arguments
>>342379326
Well maybe they should have stuck with the fucking formula instead of making farcry on rooftops. Mirror's edge 2 is a fucking abortion of a game
>>342380396
>comparing a critically-acclaimed 4-years old full game to a 5-months old spinoff
wew lad
>>342379220
Denuvo also prevents total conversion mods, or anything that needs to touch the exe file.
>>342381132
what are you even on about? world state (saves) editing is entirely different than getting a game to run that has copy protection attached to it.
>>342380667
Doesn't that seem to dispel the idea that at least, for AAA titles, piracy does not seem to help move numbers. It may be possible for lesser known titles to get the word out, but it also entirely possible that these lesser known titles can be pirate fodder, where players opt out of buying an unknown game because it isn't that appealing unless its free instead of purchasing it on a steam sale.
Daily Reminder that a ruskie has reached 47% in cracking DOOM, week ago it was 17%
>mfw denuvofags will witness their demise
BTFO Happening
>>342380691
Fuck off Neil, I pirated all of your books :)
>>342381369
200k people is fucking nothing in a 100 billion dollar industry. Most people just don't care, and they would be right to do so, E3 is a pile of AAA horseshit. What a waste of time.
>>342381369
>200K
>a lot
It was a wreck though.
>>342381195
No one gives a shit about Europe in the vidya industry
>>342377968
>pirates are bitter faggots complaining how everything used to be better
Not surprising.
>>342377606
What about D44M?
>>342377606
It doesn't seem fair to compare the number of JC3 copies sold with JC2's numbers when the latter has been on sale under 5€ many times. The new coat of paint on Far Cry Primal didn't fool anyone and Mirror's Edge went in a shitty direction. I'm not saying Denuvo didn't hurt these games - if I could try Mirror's Edge and if it turned out as good as the first one I'd buy it - but there are too many other factors to really judge its impact in terms of sales. I doubt even 1% of pirates subsequently buy the games they like.
>>342381195
you dont have to watch conferecences live
look trailer counts for e3 videos.
even fucking youtube changed its logo to e3.
>lol e3 doesnt matter
people watched videos of game they interested on
>>342381478
yeah, i know it has nothing to do with denuvo, but it did keep some people from pirating. it was probably a better purchase motivator than the denuvo wait for anyone who genuinely liked the series.i'm tired so i guess i went off topic, sorry.
>>342377606
Honestly, I think DENUVO hurt Mirror's Edge sales, unless that game actually is a turd. I wouldn't know: it has DENUVO.
I imagine denuvo helped Lords of the Fallen, RoTR, JC3, and Far Cry Primal, since the last three already had plenty of visibility, and the first was the first game to remain uncracked for an extended period in years.
I bet there's a whole lotta buyer's remorse with JC3. (Not that I've played it.)
>>342381659
mfw when I bought it on console for $45 and sold it for 45
console masterrace, 100% the game and got to play the multiplayer which cracks cant do
>>342377124
If you want truely accurate results I'd wait for a year or two so we have a larger sample size to examine.
>pirate pirates a shitty game
>talks about it and posts about it
>gets other people to buy it
>this happens on a huge scale
>shitty games like far cry prosper because of it
>piracy is dead and this shit is tanking hard now
Is gaming finally being saved?
>>342381670
Me too, except they were audio books. His point still stands because I'll praise neverwhere.
>>342377606
How did Total Warhammer do?
Pretty much the only Denuvo game released that didn't look like ass.
>>342381874
>play an fps on console
jesus christ
>>342381476
i'm talking about fallout 4 tier mods, not change some textures modes
Owners: 627,080 already without any steamsales
got anything to say about this one salty piratescumbags?
>>342378957
This
Do some dumb bullshit like put out a fake "crack" that slaps an eyepatch on every character in the game and the worst that'll happen is someone will do an actual crack a few days later and you'll get some free advertising from people laughing about it
>>342381683
>>342381676
I wasn't talking about the entire industry you fucking illiterate faggots I was talking about the doom demo and how some other stupid bitch said "no one knows about it" even though literally hundreds of thousands of people probably heard about it live much less through word of mouth
jesus christ you can't even carry a conversation for 5 posts before it moves to something completely different
>>342381874
>mfw when
>playing a shooter with a controller
Yeah, I'd rather not play it at all.
>>342381787
i've read (and i forget where, so i can't cite it) where the point of denuvo isn't to stop piracy, but rather delay the time it takes to crack a game. because beyond a certain sales point, they don't care. ie you launch a game, its on all these platforms, people play it and love it. while meaning it hasn't been cracked yet. pirates don't get it at launch.
that to me seems the most reasonable approach. everything is going to get cracked given time. but you delay that time as much as you can and get sales instead.
>>342379445
Right here, I did buy fallout 4. But I pirated the dlc, installed it, didn't even play it (the dlc).
>>342381659
>Daily Reminder that a ruskie has reached 47%
so they can change to game options now?
impressive
>tfw i could buy denuvo games if i wanted
>tfw i don't because fuck this shit
>>342382062
What's there to say? Fallout is an immensely popular series and had hype beyond measure before its release. Of course it did well
It doesn't seem like any argument for piracy holds any water. Is that ironic? Since yknow, pirates used to sail on water. What is that? Is that a thing?
>>342382028
It did good. Even though strategy games are typically niche, total war games tend to sell pretty well.
>>342382028
Fastest selling Total War game
>>342381369
>200k
wtf
E3 is even more irrelevant than i thought
>>342382062
that's doom sales btw
>>342380396
Farcry 3 has been in tons of bundles and sales for less than 10 bucks for a while now, you can't really compare the two.
>>342381982
It doesn't work the same with games though.
There is Youtube, Twitch, Reddit, 4chan, Neogaff, game review sites and many other ways of checking out a game.
The piracy spreads awareness meme is not relevant for vidya because it isn't needed.
Don't believe to these retards saying Denuvo is responsible for less sales. Those games sold less just because they were bad. XCOM2 and Tomb Raider sold well with Denuvo.
Denuvo is literally destroying piracy with each passing day. You should go visit a popular torrent site and search for games there, you can see for yourself how less and less piratefags are downloading torrents because there is nothing new that can be pirated. A few years ago I used to see 5000-10000 seeders on newly released video game torrents. Now the number had reduced to less than 1000. Video game piracy traffic has been significantly reduced post 2015.
All upcoming AAA games will have Denuvo. Mass Effect Andromeda, Deus Ex, Dishonored 2, etc. These games will sell like hot cakes and piratefags won't be able to play them. I hope Bethesda Game Studios and CDPR also switches to Denuvo.
Its just going to take a bit longer for people to figure out how to crack it. In the meantime games really should invest on the good old playable demoes again, since although youtube videos makes it easier for people to see how the gameplay works, sharewares could still bring way more sales in.
>>342382376
>CDPR
>owns GOG
>DRM
Hah ok
>>342382363
And books have shit like bestseller lists and reviews and whatnot as well. More awareness is more awareness, it's literally never a bad thing. Word of mouth is pretty much the best possible advertising if something is actually good.
I want to play Just Cause 3, the new Hitman and DOOD MOOM but I won't because I refuse to buy games with Denuvo. That's 3 lost sales just from me.
>>342382109
Why the fuck are you so mad, who fucked your gf?
>>342382467
CDPR do own GoG
>>342380150
>taken from Denuvo's website where they use completely arbitrary #s that aren't researched one bit
Wow. Thanks for that hot information.
>>342382376
Denuvo shortens the life of your SSD dramatically so new games better not have it.
>muh master race
>hurr i payed 900$ for GPU
>hurr poor console fags stay in 30fps
>cant play 30$ to a game
this is really comedic.
>>342382553
No fucking shit that's what I said in my post can you read?
>>342382467
They should use Denuvo. Witcher 3 is heavily pirated.
>>342382376
Xcom 2 is not denuvo.
>>342382507
But unlike a book you can watch gameplay of a game, you have to read a book to know what it is like.
>>342382518
you refuse to pay anything but 5$ indie steam shit you fucking poor pirate cuck.
even those game were on st
>>342382620
And also an insanely successful game. CDPR doesn't care
>>342382608
That's FUD and there is no proof of it, the rumours about that are so bad even Denuvo themselves mentioned it on their website.
>>342382620
Witcher 3 pirate here, can confirm.
>>342382376
>counting CDPR as an average developer
>not by god like status they've achieved among creators in this field.
They have enough respect for their audience not to act like the Americans, French or Canadians.
>>342382376
> CDPR
That will never happen they have stated multiple times how much they dislike DRM.
>>342382659
Amazon often has samples of the first chapter of a book, especially if they're also selling it digitally.
>>342382363
>>342382363
>There is Youtube, Twitch, Reddit, 4chan, Neogaff, book review sites and many other ways of checking out a book.
Also YOU CAN GO TO YOUR PUBLIC LIBRARY AND LITERALLY RENT IT FOR FREE, LEGALLY.
Libraries are killing the book industry! Oh wait.
>>342382609
There's a difference between "can't pay" and being able to get it cheaper later down the line, or for free.
>>342382851
Still doesn't change the fact that word of mouth for vidya is irelevant.
>>342382376
>XCOM 2
>Declaring that they were going to make their game extremely mod friendly
>using Denuvo
Truly Denuvofags have actually lost their minds are retarded.
I hope you die even if you're just shitposting.
>>342382542
this is about the caliber of conversation I would expect from /v/
>>342382987
ha, nah. That's the only correct way to learn about a game. .
>>342377968
Yeah, I'm only interested in Quantum Break, and I could pirate that if I wanted to, which I haven't because of Win10.
Mass Effect Andromeda will be the only game that bothers me, since there's no way in hell I'm supporting Bioware.
>>342378001
Doubt it, but a lot of people went to sites like G2A
>>342379048
>games with denuvo, no sales, all dead
No they aren't, you tard.
>this is what piratefags tell themselves as the cry themselves to sleep
>>342379101
>I buy about 50% of the games I pirate
I've pirated 100s of games and never payed for any except the odd used copy for a console
>>342379328
>Hand out demos to the game?
The only reason I can imagine that publishers/developers DON'T release demos is that they know people will play their game and find out it's shit. Then they don't get the money from impulse buys or people who are carefree with their money. These are huge corporations, and they spend money on market research. If they don't release demos, it's because it doesn't make financial sense for them to do so.
>>342379512
You get to play the first level FOR A WEEK. Then Bethesda is shutting down that access for everyone, even people haven't had a chance to try it, according to what they said at E3.
>>342379931
FANTASY
>>342382987
One of the most successful video games ever made Minecraft was spread through word of mouth and has rapant piracy. You don't know shit
>>342382553
wew lad... Just wew...
>>342382659
No you don't. You can get the cliffnotes and get the jist of it which is all you will ever need.
>>342382743
Wow. Thank god Denuvo weighed in and said it wasn't true. I'm sure they are about as reliable as Cigarette companies who said for years that research had shown that their product was not deadly to people.
>>342383093
>That's the only correct way to learn about a game. .
You keep telling yourself that, you might actually convince yourself it is true.
>>342383025
Denuvo only prevents tampering with the .exe and doesn't prevent modding at all. Total Warhammer has some great modding.
>>342383265
Good mods require changing the exe ;)
>>342377606
Why do people even link these with denuvo when everyone knows that these games are mediocre as fuck ESPECIALLY Mirrors Edgr and Primal.
When all these games came out they had specified threads. Even go to dedicated pirate sites and You would at least find 10. Posters saying
>where's da crack
>is the crack out yet
>did the Chinese make a crack yet
>????
>fuck it I'm just going to buy it because no crack
why do we hate denuvo? It is saving PC gaming.
so how should cdpr handle ciri? you fucking know they're going to include her somewhere. at the least i expect you'll see a girl dizzying and coming to in the background, and then see her zoom off into a new portal or something.
at best, they give you an entire quest about helping ciri jump to the next world (getting back to geralt). there are so many possibilities.
>>342382743
Denuvo said so? Wow, And Windows 10 doesnt secretly spy on your shit just because Microsoft said so. No need to download third party programs that block that shit people, Windows 10 is perfectly okay! And Denuvo too!
>>342382724
>make a good game
>enough people pay for it even with the piracy to make way more than development
Wow who'd a thought not making shit games would make consumers buy a product
>>342383104
Like a holocaust holocaust denier.
Denuva is filtering out what is shit game design and what isn't.
We are well past that point. Denuva SIGNIFIES a bad game. That's really the only thing you need to know about a game to tell it's shit or not.
>google if game has Denuva
>Yes/no
>Interesting game-play is probably under 10 hours
skip
>>342377968
to be honest I've only been playing 6th and 7th gen games over the past year with the exception of MGSV and Tales of Zestiria and I dropped MGSV at some point early on
>>342383347
That's never been true for total war.
>>342379048
Make your game a household name? Fallout 4 was going to sell a shitton of copies no matter what. It's fucking fallout.
>>342383262
(you)
here
>>342378214
Holy shit, you're not joking. It actually is out.
>>342383591
Total War Warhammer proves you wrong. Stay mad.
>>342381541
reason why people pirate games is because they arent gonna pay 60euro especially in poorfag countries. So it doesnt really matter if its available to pirate or not they arent gonna buy it anyway. We cant really speculate what amount of pcs. doom would have shipped if it was available as pirate download, since it would have been financial succes either way. Just look at thing like skyrim, fallout, those game were literally cracked on releaase, with no multiplayer still top of the list on sales.
>>342383756
Learned about it today myself, quick search through some media site, apparently it wasn't received well.
but again, crazy how under the radar it is.
What happened to the poor piratefaggots that used to say Denuvo v3 will be cracked soon?
They literally made a subreddit to wait for Just Cause 3 crack. Some say they are still waiting for the crack to arrive.
>>342382628
correct, I pirated it and it was shit.
>Deus Ex Mankind Divided has Denuvo
>there's already a demo for the game
>but they're not going to leak it this time around because they clearly don't give a shit anymore
Such a shame.
>>342383449
>mobile posters
>>342383817
Total war games have sucked for a minute dude...
>>342377606
>>342378001
It's a theory but let's remember this
CDProjekt had made patches to pirate their game when witcher 1 was released and did it again when 2 released
The FTL guys trolled then later patched his game for pirates(he made a game that crashed at first but later fixed some bugs and released a patch for pirates )
Some other developer did this but point is pirates never killed a company , the company typically kill themselves first
THQ spend years blaming pirates when in actuality they lost due to that waco drawing gimmick
Pirating potentially saved Deus Ex from a potential horrible launch after all the bad reputation it was getting for being extremely different and action oriented in the trailers
>>342383449
>>fuck it I'm just going to buy it because no crack
said noone ever.
>be me
>see discusting and immature behavior of certain part of PC gamers
>they call themselves unironically PC master race
>they behave like bunch of retarded children
>some of them are even doing PCMR shit in real life
>still be me
>don't want to support a platform that has such a retarded audience that is supposed to be more mature (everybody an consoles is ofc a kid)
>literally stopped buying games on PC
>pirate and play everything on PC
>buy console version of the game instead
>haven't bought a game on PC for like a 2 years
>devs see consoles make more money
>devs focus on consoles
>now see I can't play the game because of denuvo
>don't want to buy a PS4 or XO
>now what?
>>342377124
>Denuvo has effectively killed the PC piracy scene
Now watch as sales remain unaffected and how long it takes for publishers to realize DENUVO licensing is not worth it.
>>342383882
>They literally made a subreddit
Why don't you go there and ask them?
>>342383882
Honestly the best thing about Denuvo is threads like these and the entire CrackStatus subreddit where piratefags get super salty.
>>342377124
It's not like PC players even buy games anyway, it's either pirated games or f2p mobas.
I'd like to thank Denuvo for helping me find better hobbies
the thing about game piracy (with me and i think with most people who pirate) is that if i'm going to pirate the game, i had no intention of buying it anyway, and if i can't pirate it then i'm not going to buy it and will eventually just forget about it and go back to playing those 2 or 3 online MP games that always satisfies the gaming itch.
All this thread is showing me is that pirate fags bolster sales for shitty games. Good riddance to piracy.
>>342382142
>>342382031
>what is xim4
>>342383716
I don't understand why you fags try so hard to dismiss facts.
There is literally no need for word of mouth for vidya in this day and age. There is so much coverage and user content that word of mouth is obsolete.
The only place word of mouth is relevant for vidya is third world huehuehue lands with no internet.
>>342384005
Classic
>th-th-they just suck anyway!!!
>>342377606
I seriously can't tell if it's just a coincidental string of bad games, but I seriously forgot any of these came out. Except FIFA which is about as certain as rising each day.
>>342377124
At least with Denuvo devs can't balme pirates for poor sales
>>342384130
Something you don't have.
>>342384084
Yeah a lot of people install games for free... and then proceed to spend a hundred dollars on microtransactions. Ironically, free games generate the most revenue.
>>342384039
>Now watch as sales remain take a slight dip because there's less people talking about it.
>Nobody is buying our games
>well at least people didn't get to enjoy them for free even though they probably wouldn't have bought it anyway! That'll show them!
Anyone got month 1 sales of just case 2 compared to month 1 just cause 3?
Or month 1 between the two tomb raider titles?
>>342383449
Primal sold well. Mirror's Edge 2 didn't. I don't think your opinions entirely represent the beliefs of the market at large.
Also, people buying mediocre games is not saving PC gaming
>>342377968
Pretty much this.
I pirated, because i wanted to try games out and if the game was good (rare cases ) i ended up buying it. Most games got deleted a few days/hours later.
Now with Denuvo games, I just assume/make an educated guess that the game is shit (in 99% its actually is) and move on. So the only thing Denuvo accomplished, is saving my Bandwith for downloading/hoarding shit.
Now I donwload less stuff and buy less games than I used to.
Thanks Denuvo.
But I wonder on what devs are blaming low sales now? Do they now actually have to admit, that their games are shit?
>>342384160
Why are you so mad, bro?
Just accept that no one gives a damn about the shitty games that are protected by denuvo
>>342380943
>>AAA games have been complete garbage for years across all platforms
I think this is the main reason. AAA always meant bigger budget to realize your vision, even if it meant subjecting the project to publisher's whims, but holy shit nowadays everyone is playing it safe as fuck. It's always TPS this, FPS that and they're essentially riding the same fads which makes them just reskins of each other.
is denuvo still a thing? i pirate all the time and haven't noticed
>>342384160
Total War hasn't been good since Shogun2
>>342382376
>there is no AAA to download
>there is less people downloading torrents!!!
wow thats some top tier brain activity you got there.
>I didn't want to pirate those games anyway
Can't wait for Mass Effect: Andromeda. Whole /v/ will be discussing that game and pirates will be crying in a corner saying "I don't want to play that game anyway, it is bad".
>>342377124
people thought securom killed pc piracy just give it two - three years time
>>342380880
>bad games killed the piracy scene
Retarded
>>342383882
>Some say they are still waiting for the crack to arrive
Like religious fanatics waiting on the rapture
>>342384039
>realize DENUVO licensing is not worth it.
It's cheap, dummy
>>342384126
You just want to believe that, evidence is to the contrary. Look up LoTF's sales, MILLIONs, for that uninspired game
>>342384097
What have you been getting into? I'm int he same boat anon, on average I use to spend around $100 on video games (Pirate a game, if I liked it, usually bought the license.) Cut that back to maybe $5 every other month. Gaining actual skills is infinitely more rewarding. Even scheming on how to rip people off with my own cheaply made game.
>>342384126
other way around mate
pirates tell you what game is shit so you dont have to buy it
without knowing what the game really is you have to trust shills and you end up buying a shitty game
>>342384516
>>342384483
>I haven't played them
You should get on that.
>>342382376
XCom 2 doesn't have denuvu
In fact the game was pirate able the day before release just a bit buggy
>>342377124
>they use this shit on AAA western trash
>I never even think about trying them anymore
>still spend loads of cash on weebshit even though it's easy to pirate
EA will never get my money.
>>342377968
This. Stopped pirating about when mass effect 3 came out, pretty much stopped playing new games in general.
>>342384516
>copy paste units 2: electric boogaloo
>better than Attila or Warhammer
Educate yourself.
>>342384584
Yeah, but publishers are always looking to maximize their shekels per-game. You can bet someone out there is crunching Denuvo cost vs lost sales/no effect on sales figures.
>>342384584
>Look up LoTF's sales, MILLIONs, for that uninspired game
On PC? 400k or so.
Wait are you saying Denuvo is responsible for people buying the game on console? Are you retarded?
>>342384154
The internet shit. It's a lot different then how it was back in the early/mid 00's.
Word of mouth is definitely better. You're just hopelessly addicted. Nothing wrong with that, to each their own.
>>342384701
PC is for edgy. Dark Souls is edgy. They knew they needed to get in on that money.
>>342384557
I'll just buy it for 30$ on a keysite then. No money for them,and i can play their shitty game.
>>342384154
What do you think forums and places like this are? Word of mouth definitely exists, it's simply gone digital.
>>342384516
true, fuck I miss those those days. Empire started the trend.
>>342384734
so what the reality is that denuvo games that don't get cracked don't show any profit increases because the pirates just passed on the game entirely?
The thing I find stupid about Denuvo is it basically kills modding. Like Just Cause 3, let's just prevent the thing that led a lot more people to buy Just Cause 2.
>>342384154
You think I'm going to watch 30 minutes of some faggot playing a game to form an opinion? Reading a few posts is far more efficient.
>>342384557
See my post here >>342383104, you are a corporate dickwhipped faggot if you support Bioware's shitty games. Keep rewarding their bad games to get more of the same, cunt.
>>342378957
This isn't 100% foolproof though I would have bought Zestria but I was wary and pirated it first.
>>342384557
Anon...Do you remember Mass Effect 3? Why the fuck would you play a Mass Effect game after that?
>>342383817
Who even cares about yet another Total War reskin? They've been selling the same game over and over again since Rome. That's 12 years of constant rehashing.
Not him and not planning on shifting the goalposts, but I'm genuinely puzzled how people still manage to muster any enthusiasm for the series.
>>342384031
>be me
stopped reading there
gtfo faggot
>>342377606
Of course FIFA didn't budge the slightest. You're talking about dudebro gamers that don't know how to pirate.
>>342382376
W3 literally had an entire area and quest in it about making fun of DRM, CDPR last dev who's going to add any.
I love how everyone compare previous titles that have been out for three years with -50% sales on steam to boost the sales count and use all of that against titles that have yet gone past a month or have a sale yet on Steam.
Seeing how most users citate the use of steam spy only I'm also referencing only that.
>>342385057
>Warhammer
>reskin
I like talking shit about games I know nothing about too, but come on.
>>342384649
same here, most of the weebshit is trash but I've been finding some diamonds in the rough. They really don't have that bad of scene. Would have never known if it were not for the end of Western game piracy.
>>342384874
You think those keys are gotten for free? Even if you pay less for it they'll still get that money. And some money is better than no money.
>>342377124
>all these pirates in the thread
>all assblasted
cry some more you fucking scum
>just be patient Denuvo isnt fucking invincible you drugged up autist
>>342379048
That you shouldn't attempt yearly releases on hippy/gimmick franchises.
Denuvo didn't change shit, the people complaining about it would never have bought those games in the first place.
People should just accept that the video game market is severely bubbled up at this point, to many games are being made and consumers don't have the time or the money to play and make all of them successful.
Games are being produced and sold like american action movies and it simply does not add up anymore.
>>342379484
Neither did i.
>>342384935
Not the same guy but its because piracy still generate a buzz of its own.
>Oh man I played game X and its awesome!
Whether you pirated it or not you're generating positive buzz about the game which might get more people to buy it. When something like Denuvo gets in the way and excludes pirates you suddenly have less buzz people certain percentage of players didn't play the game. Not to mention they might get bitter and just shitpost about it because they can.
>>342385220
anon is correct in this case.
>>342384154
lol what? Companies literally hire shills to post threads about there games. Pirates are free advertisment since more of often then not they arent going to buy there game either way.
>>342377606
I was going to pirate Mirror's Edge 2 and probably would have talked about it a bunch with some of my friends who might have bought it. But since it had Denuvo, I just didn't bother, and I didn't hear anyone talk about it. I suspect it's a similar story.
>>342383818
Yep 60eu is 4 day pay in my country if you make minimum, or neet.
Not gonna drop cash on a game that has no longevity
>All these pro-denuvo posts
In case you aren't just fishing for reactions, take a minute to look at yourself. You have actually been convinced to be proud of spending money.
>>342378801
Bonus points for Mirror's Edge Catalyst's endingIt's almost exactly like the end to the first one, only with even less gameplay and it resolves even less as well.
>>342377124
it's effectively killed the pc piracy scene on the few games that use it.
>>342385402
>ill steal your car
>lol its free advertisement for whoever wants a Honda
you seriously cannot be this retarded can you?
Isn't it surprising how some people can't even afford 60$ to play a video game? Like holy shit how poor can you be. You can earn 60$ in a few hours.
>>342384753
A least the game sold as well on PS4 as it did on PC. That doesn't happen when the PC version is up on torrent sites on day one.
You can compare the sales to metacritic user votes for console and PC for those games that are cracked vs those games that are uncracked. Without Denuvo, games sell 1/5th as much on PC as compared to console.
>>342381821
I've seen mixed reviews. I'd like to try it for myself, because ME1 also had mixed reviews, but there's no demo or anything and since I can't pirate it it just means I won't buy it ever unless it goes for like £5 on steam.
>>342384701
Because Souls games were always a perfect fit for PC, just like Dragon's Dogma. Shame latter was released way too late to make an impact on PC.
>>342378214
> without pirates there is less free publicity
somehow I believe that.
>>342385346
No, anyone that thinks Warhammer is a TW reskin simply hasn't played it, or has brain damage.
>>342385443
Look at how much publicity it apparently got at launch. (didn't realize it was out till today)
that's an obvious sign of a shit AAA game.
excluding the large franchise(most cases not even those as they still fail)
There is no proof denovo helped in any way and a lot of theories to show that ,if anything, it was worse for the developer and publisher
ME2 , FC:P , Mad Max didn't break even until recently I think , Doom has critical praise from the press but average folks barely talk about the game and you can't mod the game without a editor application made by Bethesda themselves(i.e. Limited creations)
Denuvo so far is just making word of mouth much more rarer and in days where the economy for many countries is down in the shitter or just as bad
>>342385220
True, I know nothing about TW:W since I can't pirate it and there's no way I'm paying for it and chances are I'm wrong, but considering the last major change to mechanics (paper map to actual region) was eight installments ago, I doubt it's actually anything more than a couple funky abilities on some units and a coating of Warhammer paint.
>>342378214
Wait a fucking second, the new Mirror's Edge is out?
Is it good?
>>342385632
It's pretty much the same thing as the first game only with more content.
>>342384557
Well after Mass Effect 3, there's no way i'm going near another Bioware game with a 100ft fucking barge pole. I might have pirated ME:Andromeda to give it half a chance, which is exactly what I did with ME2, but if it has Denuvo then I won't bother. Might get it eventually when it's on sale, but honestly if I have to gamble on £50 of my cash then I will just not bother.
>>342385590
Where did you get sales figures for LotF on console? vgchartz is not a real source. It's hard to compare PC sales vs console sales when Steamspy is at least somewhat reliable while vgchartz is not. Otherwise you can only get sale info when the company releases them
>>342378001
There's literally no way people are gonna buy as many games as they used to when there isn't even a fucking demo for people to try the newest releases on their rigs without buying them at a risk.
>>342385590
>Without Denuvo, games sell 1/5th as much on PC as compared to console.
Games always sell on PC, though. That has nothing to do with DRM and more with how splintered PC audience is and not subjected to intense marketing campaigns like console players are. Also, everyone KNOWS all games are probably at 50% discount if not more by end of the year because Steam conditioned them that way. Which is why game sales on consoles are dead after first two-three weeks while sales on PC have long tails.
>>342385549
That's not a great analogy. This is literally how the music industry works.
Put your album out as a torrent, streaming services, get as many people to hear it as possible, then you make your money back via ticket and merchandising sales.
learn something buddy.
>>342385821
just buy a 1080 and you'll be sure to run everything :::::::^)))
>>342385220
War hammer is a complete reskin and a lazy one too
Less features than a typical total war game and with that it is much shorter
Once you get out the unique phase you realize the game is barebone for DLC and Expansion packs
And it is still bugged out
>>342385285
And to top it off, gaming got political at some point.
Its not about creativity, breaking barriers or challenges anymore. Its about sending some bloody pointless message.
PIRATEFAGS GET OUT MY BOARD REEEEEE
Denuvo v4 in TESVI that doesn't hamper modding.
>>342381453
>>342380535
another spinoff and 4
>>342384154
>There is literally no need for word of mouth for vidya in this day and age. There is so much coverage and user content that word of mouth is obsolete.
I would argue word of mouth is far MORE important nowadays simply because there's way more game releases and way more shit to sift through.
>>342381101
>entropy is wrong
Woah what?
>>342385731
Nobody knows since nobody wants to buy it.Not really. It's like a soul-less open world version of the first game, apparently.
>>342385724
Every faction plays differently, from the campaign to the battle map, and the addition of lords, large units like giants, terrorgheists and the like and magic makes it playdifferently. So you're wrong. Happy?
>>342379669
There absolutely have been games I would have grudgingly bought if I wasn't able to pirate it.
>>342386018
Fucking nuked.
>denuvo
http://steamspy.com/app/379720
>>342386059
doesn't sound like he's wrong, that sounds like what he was expecting. Sounds like that to me as well.
>units like giants, terrorgheists and the like and magic makes it play differently
so literally just more abilities and paint/models...
>>342385549
Nobody is stealing anything, since it doesnt exist physically anyway, if you think its stealing you are retarded
If only every game had it. Might make NEET piratefags go get jobs :^]
>>342386018
Denuvo shills BTFO
>>342386018
DELED THIS
>>342386282
but first, we need to kick out the mexicans
Make America great again.
>>342379328
>new doom is out
>it has denuvo
>expect it to be shit so I guess I'll never play it
>demo is out
>try it
>it's shit
that's why there's no demos anymore
>>342381821
>Honestly, I think DENUVO hurt Mirror's Edge sales, unless that game actually is a turd. I wouldn't know: it has DENUVO.
Not to mention being Origin exclusive.
Why is /v/ the only board with some kind of anti-piracy sentiment? Not a single person outside of here cares about people pirating movies, comics, anime or whatever.
>>342385581
85% of people in the world earn like less than 300$ per month. So yes there are lot of poor fags (especially from eastern eu, asia) that have pc, but cant afford 60$ AAA.
>>342385593
It's not on Steam; Origin only. For every player like you, there's two impulse buyers. The corporations don't care about you. Good luck getting these Denuvo games on sale, because the don't ever have sales, e.g., LoTF
>>342377124
How much does the denuvo license cost?
Piratefags btfo. Keep up the mental gymnastics
>>342386438
Didn't even realize there was a demo. But as an anon said earlier in this thread. This conversation counts as word of mouth for me. Going to assume you're correct.
>>342377124
So when will its get cracked ? Can someone give an estimate ?
>>342386524
(you)
feel better?
>>342386524
Good goy
>>342382363
>twitch
>youtube
>neogaf
>game review sites
if companies just made demos again with the first level or whatever this wouldn't be a problem
>10 million owners on Steam
>no Denuvo
Denuvo a pc port = horrible sales
Publishers go "oh no one buys pc ports, lets focus on consoles" then AAA gaming on pc experiences a slight crash which creates room for smaller devs who wont use denuvo and will succeed and things becomes normal again.
>>342382363
>he thinks all youtubers buy their games
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>>342386416
¡Viva Trump!
>>342386613
three years since the chinese gave up
>>342385817
I know vgchartz isn't accurate, but it gives a ballpark for retail sales.
>>342385853
Uncracked Denuvo games don't get sales.
>>342386836
Outlier, also mods saved that game. It's just easier to use steam to manage mods
>>342386438
Same for me. I didn't have high hopes, at least the intro looked neat and all but nothing for me and I'm glad the demo brought closure on that.
>>342385853
Well obviously PC gamers dont really care about being the first to play or finish the game. PC gamers play there games for years (if its good game) and routinely buy 2-3y old games. Console market is basically early iterations of same game. And if you didnt bough Farcry 5 once it was out, you should just skip it since Farcry 6 is out and its obivously superior in every way.
>>342378214
>less people talking about the game
Where do pirates talk about games? Where do pirates talk about games, that enough people would hear about that it would actually have an impact on sales?
>>342386462
Because it gives shitposters easy (You)s.
>>342386827
They don't like demos because a lot of people will buy it and see that it doesn't run as well as they liked, not as fun as they might think, etc etc, and call it a day.
In some cases it makes sense, like MMO's long after they were released, and DOOM, because the MP was panned, but the SP was praised.
I know for most of the games that I buy, if they had a demo, I wouldn't buy them. If I could rent them for $4.99 for ~3-4 hours, I probably wouldn't buy them either.
I just end up waiting until they go on sale for that price or slightly higher and buy them then. I don't have enough disk space to pirate a 30-50gb game anymore, which is why I also stopped pirating so many games.
>>342386469
Oh. Well looks like I won't be buying Mirror's Edge 2 then. Oh well.
>>342387263
On literally every forum
I think people will still pirate a lot of games so long as Denuvo exists. It's like putting a chastity belt on a super hot girl and expecting people to just walk way from her. People will find a way.
>>342387283
Piratefags need to stop being so goddamn defensive and stop feeding the trolls.
>>342386469
>origin
I have no issue spending $70 on a game.
but I'll ever use origin.
>>342386983
Nah, didn't they quit because they were paid off so company could gather data ?
>people still respond to these shill DENVO threads
I swear /v/ has become even more retarded nowadays
>>342387263
Create forum threads, social media posts, watch/comment youtube videos that increases the virality. Create demand and supply of modding, guides, articles, fanart, porn etc. Talk with friends about it who buy it and talk to other friends.
>>342387384
Hell I've also talked about games I've pirated in real life. It's led to people buying them on steam.
>>342386604
It was a timed one week demo starting e3, can't let too many people get turned off
>>342387428
always
pretty much why every western government/corporation is hacked every other week.
We are literally over saturated with games in tis era. Just thousands of games I've yet to play from YEARS ago. I don't think it's such a big deal to let half a decade go by.
>>342377124
>Denuvo will be on Battlefield 1
>Yes!
>6 months with denuvo
>the only good game is doom
>friend's friend family shared it for me for a dollar
>>342387613
I don't think that's possible
>>342387613
With all the shit going on in modern gaming, I looked to a savior, a company I could trust. I knew I couldn't trust Nintendo with their censorship, amiibo scams and region locking shit, or MS who tried to destroy physical games and make everything cloud based, and now I know I can't trust Sony due to them scamming people with the PS4 when they have an upgrade waiting 3 years after launch. And of course Steam has always been a scam since it's all DRM protected because they own the rights to "your" games.
But in the wake of this I know who to trust, who actually has my best interests at heart. But you'll have to let me explain because it sounds deranged. Denuvo. Because they don't want me to buy a new console a year or two after I buy a PS4 and "keep gaming" or to buy cloud connected game to "keep gaming" or to buy amiibos so I can unlock on disc DLC and "keep gaming" with compromised, censored games.
No, Denuvo just doesn't want me to play games at all. Because when Denuvo is on a game--I can't play it, full stop. Since Steam is not an option, a game using Denuvo merely means I won't be able to play that game. They don't ask anything more. There's no lower quality compromise like an old PS4 or a 360 arcade. There's no scam they're running. They want me to go outside, to be free, to frolic in the hinterlands. They whisper in my ear "go read a book," or "go watch anime," they whisper to me of the joy that can be had outside the gaming madhouse. And when all PC games use Denuvo, that will be the day I am truly free. I'm not kidding. This is how bad it has gotten. The only salvation is an end to video games.
>>342378361
>when i saw ME thread at first i thought people are just talking about new video/demo/rape of the franchise/public beta or something
>turns out it was actually out
I keked.
>>342387840
Games with female protagonists get smaller marketing budgets because men are less likely to buy a game with female on the cover.
>>342378214
Honestly the lost sale was hearing that anita went to the studio. Denuva/Origin = irrelevant.
>>342386469
>e.g., LoTF
You can buy it for 20$ on steam, you could prolly find it for like 10$ on the net.
Todd Howard is literally a Japanese man. Think about it. he's short, low test, sounds like a squeaky teenager and can't program his way out of a paper bag. Finally, the mystery is solved.
>>342387751
Do you seriously think denuvo has been around for 6 months?
>>342377124
Indies won't be able to use/afford denuvo for a few years anon, just steal their shit.
>>342387784
>And when all PC games use Denuvo, that will be the day I am truly free.
amen
fuck social politics, activism
fuck video games
>>342379131
Kids could download any shit game before and they would play, love and shill it with fanboyism.
Now AAA is dead and only games kids don't play are easy to pirate. Thank you based denuvo
>>342378001
Denuvo advertises their product as only being able to protect the game during the launch window as it will eventually be cracked. They used an example of a more niche game (some cycling game) selling more *during the launch period* when they started using Denuvo as proof that it works.
Anyways, companies are super strict about doing feasibility studies, the whole industry wouldn't be spending money on DRM if it wasn't protecting sales during the launch window.
>>342387973
Why? Are they gay?
>>342388123
He probably means the new uncrackable version of denuvo. Older vers have been cracked
>>342384594
Stop posting nigger
>>342388128
Only the super indie types. There should be a lot of indies able to afford it, especially the plan with the 2500 setup fee + 15 cents per copy.
>>342387751
>DOOm
>Denuvo
Wait what... ? Really?
>>342388242
Female on cover = I guess its a romantic comedy or some shit aimed at women.
Shes not naked after all.
>>342388237
The industry really has no idea. If their feasibility studies meant anything they wouldn't release games that bomb, yet Battleborn is here. Mirror's Edge 2 was made. Etc.
>>342388128
KEK. 99% of pirates always justify their actions because they're not hurting the little guy, it's the publishers doing that. Now that facade is gone.
>>342387428
3DM got bought. I'm gonna bet other groups that can crack it will get bought as well.
>>342388406
Then make her naked
>>342388048
>hes overrated
>he makes subpar content and has his cult defend his works
its adding up
Denuvo confirmed cracked and will be BTFO in couple months. New versions of denuvo make no difference since the core of it has been exposed and can be dealt within hours.
Denuvo has made negative impact on sales and made it actually worse than improving anything. Publishers still continue their DRM methods and have failed big time since the outcome is outrageous bad.
Knowing this and the fact that 3DM streamed on huya their cracks on any denuvo titles working but didn't release any of it because of earlier statement. Bird sis streamed for example ROTTR cracked couple days after release.
Now the year of waiting is coming to an end. 3DM promised not to crack singleplayer games for about a year and will be coming back right after that "break" and carefully monitoring sales. Since everything speaks against denuvo drm the blow up of denuvo will be huge overall.
Note that almost unknown crackers like mkdev are making progress aswell as seen here with Doom.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2MXzsaUaiIU
At the end the new invented drm denuvo method to counter pirates and increase sales failed miserably and will end up as every drm in the past.
Well looks like pirates won again even though publishers stand at the same or worse stage as they've been before.
I usually pirate to see performance on my PC before buying. Demos usually circumvent this, so I hope they become popular again
>>342388474
No, that's not what that means. It means that on average, more games would be profitable than not.
>>342388123
x64 bit denuvo is half a year old. So yes, 6 months.
>>342388030
Even seen it in a $5 steam sale? Nope. Lots of older games get marked down
>>342387973
>Games with female protagonists get smaller marketing budgets
People talked about Remember who more than about new Mirrors Edge.
>>342388497
I'd say at least 5% of pirates justify it b y saying intellectual property shouldn't exist. If someone offers you a download, you should be able to download it. Stealing is you taking something that is not offered, while piracy is taking something that is offered that some other guy doesn't want you to take or be able to take.
>>342388619
Why allow for games to fail? Only put out the winning games and you can get even more profit
>>342388598
>BTFO in couple months.
Pirates are still the ones being BTFO in the end. Denuvo never said their product is uncrackable, they advertise their product as securing sales during the launch period by forcing the impatient pirates to buy the game because their only other option is to wait for months. So remind me, how is Denuvo BTFO when everything is going exactly according to plan for them?
>>342388497
Stop posting imbecile.
>>342388598
Why isn't mkdev's progress in the span of "hours" as you stated?
Atleast Denuvo doesnt need a publisher patch to let you play your own games.
>>342377124
>Denuvo has effectively killed the PC piracy scene
Not really. I have a degree in Computing Science with a Hacking minor and have been cracking "non-crackable" denuvo games since day 1 with a bunch of my buddies and we play them for free all the time. We're just not attention seeking whores who release our cracked games to the public.
>>342388752
That's because Remember Me didn't have Denuvo so people pirated it and talked about it. Also like 70% of /v/ only knows a game is out because they see it on piracy sites
>>342388708
You can buy it on g2a for 4euro
>2k16
>publishiers still thinking that people would buy a game if there was no way to pirate it
There would be no point in makind DRM's if the game were good to begin with - Witcher 3 is an great example
>>342388752
Character design wasn't shit, that plays a part in it.
A lot of men buy video games.
>>342389023
g2a is scum.
i pirated civilization V and played that for 150+ hours
now i have 700+ hours logged on steam after purchase
i pirated mount and blade and played that for 50+ hours
now i have 150+ hours logged on steam after purchase
i pirated fallout 3 and played 200 hoursas a preteen
since i bought it on steam i haven't touched it once
but i still bought it
new vegas, 100 hours, 100 hours after purchase
CoD WaW, probably thousands of hours pirated, 100 hours after purchase
age of empires, deus ex, FTL, binding of isaac, sleeping dogs
almost every game that i have more than 20 hours in on steam was a game that i pirated beforehand and enjoyed
games that i pirated but didn't buy later weren't worth buying
>>342378965
same here but i think the new zelda looks fun ?
>>342388909
Do you have autism? Why do you have to take everything to the extreme? Nobody has perfect predictive capabilities, which is why we're talking in AVERAGES here. People buy insurance because of its AVERAGE pay in/pay off value or whatever you call it. People buy DRM because of how it performs on AVERAGE in terms of protecting sales. etc etc
>>342388997
Yeah, I bet many people on /v/ get their new game release "news" from kat.cr popular new games section more than anywhere else.
>>342388757
>intellectual property shouldn't exist
>mfw /v/ taking the side of literal anarcho-communist faggots
>>342389043
I'd sell my first born (kek) for anything CDP makes. They're like bioware if bioware didn't suck.
>>342379048
Use denuvo so piratecucks can't pirate shit games and spread word about it around. I'm glad Denuvo is reducing sales these shit games and shit companies shouldn't be doing well anyways. Pirates are literally companies best friend. Both of them suck ass.
>>342389135
New Zelda will have the fun of open world games with none of the memes and gambryo embarrassments of Todd.
>>342388941
Don't ever (you) me again, peon.
>>342389224
nobody cares you cracker hockey fan.
This is only a surprise to complete fuckups. Piracy was never an issue and in a lot of cases even beneficial, deserved or undeserved.
Enjoy your denuvo vidya industry.
>>342380949
DA was cracked with patches. Maybe not all of them but who actually gives a fuck about DA enough to get patches past release.
Still haven't bought a single game that uses DENUVO and don't really feel any desire to either.
>>342389087
>games that i pirated but didn't buy later weren't worth buying
Except that's not for you to decide. You don't pay, you don't play.
>>342380949
The full edition of DAI with all patches and DLC is cracked.
>>342388984
Yep, Starforce and securom literally prevented me from playing my legitimate games. Perfect DRM.
>>342389173
Then that means neither can they predict for sure whether Denuvo saves them monies
>>342388598
Mkdev will waste months of his life cracking this shit, then Denuvo will release a new version, Doom will be updated with it and then Mkdev will have to spend another year of his life cracking it again.
Considering he is Russian, he will either commit sudoku or become a drunk after all this.
>>342388598
The problem with mkdev's is the brute-force approach, he's NOPing every instruction related to Denuvo. If a Denuvo trigger is activated in a random action, like tossing a grenade and afterwards being damaged, and if mkdev didn't NOP that trigger, then the game crashes.
It's really difficult to crack 100% this game without brute-force.
But as Inafune said: "It's better than nothing"
>>342388598
Doom has not been cracked. It's not playable. MKdev is just manually finding and bypassing every individual trigger. It's going to take forever, and can't be replicated for other Denuvo games.
>>342389535
Na we're going to pirate any game we wish, and those that continue to resist will go out of business :)
>>342389224
Don't look at me, I ain't pol, although anarcho-capitalists don't believe in intellectual property either AFAIK since IP is a creation of the government
>>342389634
Fucking Star Wolves, it was well worth the hassle but god damn, what a shitty piece of software
Shame we will never get a good Star Wolves game again too
>>342385923
except they dont make their money back with merch because the game IS the merch, they just loose the sale
>>342386270
except most games do have a physical copy, a disk inside a case, that i can buy
>Intellectual property doesn't exist
i seriously hope its just teenagers that believe that noise
>>342389535
>Except that's not for you to decide
With piracy it was. Publishers are pissy about it because they want you to buy games based entirely on their trailers and hype train instead of trying it yourself.
>>342388598
Whether it's cracked or not, it gives the game everything from 1 month to a year of shelf life without piracy which is good regardless of how you look at it
>>342385609
they already found with music, pirates are the ones that spend the most on purchasing
>>342379048
>DOOM is dead
I don't think that's factually correct.
>On May 31, 2016, the game's sales were reported to have reached 500,000 copies sold for PCs.[81] It was the second best-selling retail video game in the US in May 2016.[82]
>>342389667
>>342389720
This.
Wait for chinks to solve it.
>>342378801
Their releases were incredibly underwhelming.
>>342389831
You should shut the fuck up already, nobody cares what you think is "good"
>>342389919
3dm was bought. That's the thing about Chinese: they can always be bought by a higher bidder
>>342389963
It wasn't my thought, but okay kiddie piratefag
>>342389773
yes... emphasizing to yourself why you made a shit analogy.
again, you learned something.
>>342389904
Bethesda just keeps making arab money no matter what, christ
>>342389642
It means they can't know for sure on an individual basis before launch, but buy studying previous releases, they can look at the averages and decide if it'll be worth it.
>>342389937
>Their releases were incredibly underwhelming.
Who would have thought they recycled the fucking map for Primal.
>Oh, but you wouldnt have seen it anyway!
You are right, because I stopped downloading shit games
>>342378001
Its not just that. Even where sales are the same they lost net profit because sales didn't increase and they paid a fortune for denuvo.
Why is there no good western cracking teams? Always chinese, russians or arabs
>>342389831
>which is good regardless of how you look at it
I look at it as less people playing the game on launch which results in less people talking about it on launch which results in less word of mouth which overall results in less sales and the game is forgotten within 3 days.
>most game sales are made on consoles
>consoles have the most effective drm
>therefore, drm makes game sales
Denuvo is an effective drm, therefore Denuvo increases game sales.
Come up with a moral justification for piracy that doesn't make you sound like some lefty pinko faggot raging about property rights.
>>342389224
Intellectual property is shit.
It can sort of be forgiven in vanity areas like video games, but it shouldn't exist in any of the actually important areas like medicine.
>>342390157
Because why should we try? Let mongrels in 5x5 apartment gulags do it.
>>342390010
Damn straight
China may be annoying about stealing shit, but when you flash that gold, they will always come calling. And you can trust the fuck out of them, because they value that gold.
>>342390175
>piratefag illusion of grandeur again
We have fora, newssites, journalists, reviewers, youtube, everything that spreads it more by word of mouth than basement dwelling piratefags
Stop kidding yourself, retard
>>342378361
I had this like a few days ago.
Really bad. I couldn't care less. Fuck that shit. The only thing I have seen from that game is the tumblr'd Faith. Not even 1 sec of gameplay or even a screenshot. What the fuck.
>>342378086
>>342378214
>>342378218
>>342378535
>>342378957
>>342379003
>>342379048
>>342379131
>Correlation does not imply causation
Video games have just been becoming shit lately.
You fuckers are delusional if you think piracy had a beneficial impact on PC gaming.
>>342379048
That videogames as a hobby has reached rock bottom?
>>342379048
>games with denuvo
>no sales
>all dead
>Witcher 3
>No DRM at all
>Actually it's easy as fuck to pirate
>Two actual expansion packs that are bigger than whole vanila game
>Good game, not like fallout 4
>Financial success
>Poland stronk
>>342390095
But then they should decide whether to put Denuvo on X game or Y game if it will save money on those while not putting it on Z game because it will cost more than it saves
>>342378214
>mirrors edge 2 was out for fucks sake
Haha WHAT? There has been literally zero discussion about it.
>>342390253
>Trusting the Chinese
oh boy
>>342387030
>Outlier, also mods saved that game. It's just easier to use steam to manage mods
No it didn't, it's a single player game, there is no disadvantage to pirating it vs buying it.
As for modding there are multiple installers around that do most of the work and plenty of content that would never be allowed on Steam to begin with.
>>342390401
>he thinks he can draw a conclusion without normalizing all the other variables
>>342390157
Because games here cost low enough amounts of money that people will not bother and just buy it unless they're really in tough straights financially and those people will be working rather than trying to play video games. While in Russia games cost like half someone's average weekly salary
>>342390547
It's not good. The end.
>>342390476
do you know what average means?
>>342390308
He's right, you're probably the same fuck who posted this earlier in the thread. Again, word of mouth will always be better. Just because you're hopelessly addicted the internet and media content, doesn't mean everyone else is.
oh and here (you) go.
>>342390176
Most game sales are made on consoles
Consoles have the highest proportions of idiots using them
Therefore idiocy is what leads people to buy games
>>342390329
Considering the alternative where everything becomes homogenized because you can no longer try anything before you buy it... yeah I'll take the piracy scene. Not to mention, if piracy and console hacking disappear you can expect games to get a whole lot worse. In fact, just look at most of the games hidden behind Denuvo, Grade A tier trash with tons of DLC and preorder bonuses. No surprise that when a market force no longer has anything to challenge it then it becomes shit because the force no longer has to care and can just release what it wants and people are forced to buy it or else.
>>342382376
>CDPR
>Denuvo
they don't need itbecause they make good games
>>342390308
Without pirates the forums are half empty and the discussion dies.
The rest you have to actively seek out whereas pirates will be in whatever online shithole you spend your days whether you want them or not.
None of those are even remotely as loud as a million pirates.
>>342390694
Got a single piece of evidence to back that up?
>>342377124
I pirate a lot of games and I buy very few, only the ones that I play through and me being unable to pirate games, for some reason, doesn't bother me at all.
>>342390197
>moral justification for piracy
You can suck on your precious morals, kid, I can give you are sensible one. Piracy is not an issue and never was.
>>342383104
There was a video or someshit that basically said that demos actually resulted in less buyers because it killed the hype for some and shit like that.
That's why they removed them to begin with. I wanted to buy Dark Souls III but first I wanted to play it, played through it once and then I realized that I hate the game due to how they dealt with the pvp, so then I saw no reason for me to even bother buying it since I would only buy it for the MP.
A demo in this case cost them their sales and I hope you won't go all horse on me ">implying you'd buy a game you pirate" bullshit, I did buy the other Dark Souls (I regret getting DS 2 though)
>>342390691
You don't want to just see if something works on average when you're trying to maximize profit. You want to defy the averages and try to game the system by predicting where you can skimp on your DRM to make more money and where you can't.
>>342390847
>Without pirates the forums are half empty and the discussion dies.
Yeah, take /v/ for example, what we'll miss is "the game is shit" posts. Good riddance
>The rest you have to actively seek out whereas pirates will be in whatever online shithole you spend your days whether you want them or not.
You don't need to seek out the forums you just brought up?
You're a retard
Why are people shilling anti-piracy software one that restricts modding even?
What possible incentive could any consumer ever have to be so concerned for the success of anti-piracy?
Are you guys getting paid by companies? If not you guys are useful idiots for doing it for free.
>>342390329
piracy is beneficial to sales, ironically
but it has rekt PC gaming because publishers and management have used it for years as excuse or flops and generally low sales.
PC gaming has suffered from that demonization
>>342390308
Peer pressure are way stronger than youtube vids, though. got a few of my friends to buy some games that way.
>>342381659
Talking about this, is DOOM worth the purchase? It looks a lot like Wolfensten the new order which I very much enjoyed.
>>342382743
>Pirating Witcher 3
Just...why?
>>342391024
consolebabies use it to shitpost
>>342384584
>bad games killed the piracy scene
>Retarded
Yeah, you are. If people wanted it, then it would be cracked. Or have you forgotten the other denuvo cracked games? No, if the games are shit and no one wants them they aren't going to see a crack for a long time.
>>342390553
There's a huge new bridge (biggest of its type in the world I believe) being built not far from me in Scotland, using Chinese steel. This makes me uneasy to say the least.
>>342390990
please, stay far away from running a business.
>>342391035
>we dindu nuffin
spot the piratecuck
>>342391024
Thing is, total warhammer has a steam workshop. so mods is possible. idk how much denuvo afffects the degree of modability, but it's still there.
>>342391012
>Yeah, take /v/ for example, what we'll miss is "the game is shit" posts. Good riddance
On the contrary. Since pirates paid nothing for a game they are more likely to be positive about it.
>You don't need to seek out the forums you just brought up?
Everyone is already part of at least one online community so not really no.
>>342382363
You can't say for sure you like a game or can run it on your rig by watching reviews broseph.
>>342385332
Yeah, people forget this. All pirates are hardcore players because of the dedication and care-free attitude they have. Even though to us it seems easy, the main stream still don't really know how to copy files properly to get cracks to work and just go to steam. So without that buzz going towards the simpletons who would buy it from hearing the praise, they just don't. And you still have those who won't buy unless they can pirate it and try it first, even if that isn't everybody.
>>342391313
Denuvo restricts modding the exe. That's all. 99% of mods don't mod the exe.
>>342391364
>On the contrary. Since pirates paid nothing for a game they are more likely to be positive about it.
Muh feelings and made up anecdotes and no proof.
>part
oh it's one of those weasel words again. You're right, I don't need to actively open up /v/ every day because I'm "part of it", but I do need to to actively seek out a fucking youtube video
go fuck yourself, retard
>>342391180
You don't understand the power of merchantry. Only 1 in 10 customers will notice if their forks are not washed with actual dishwashing liquid but rather just dunked in water. Therefore a businessman may try to identify these types of customers and give them silverwear that has been washed using dishwashing liquid, while skimping on it for the others.
>>342391573
But many depend on ones that do like Script extenders
>>342391634
>I don't need to actively open up /v/ every day because I'm "part of it", but I do need to to actively seek out a fucking youtube video
Don't kid yourself. We're all here forever, you couldn't avoid coming here even if you tried.
Literally none of Denuvo games had broke a million. the closest game is MGSV, and that one was cracked. The closest comparison between two similar big budget AAA titles with and without denuvo are XCOM2 and Tomb Rider Rises, and even then X2 is leading eventhough it's around 1 week later.
>>342391573
Stop making up statistics.
>>342391217
we boosted their sales by (((stealing))) their games
I hardly would call that nuffin
>>342391772
>gamebryo without script extenders.
Might as well play on a console.
>>342391573
>99% of mods don't mod the exe
top fucking kek
ever heard of SKSE? about 70% of mod run on it
>>342391429
and you have to pay for nu-demo aka beta access which only a few games offer
Stopping by just to call this little butthurt faggot on his bullshit:
>>342377606
>Same for Rise of Tomb Raider.
RoTR sold 3x times more on PC than on Xbox
>FIFA didn't budge in the slightest.
FIFA never had any issues with sales be it Denuvo or not, that's why they print new game each year
>Mirror' Edge
Just a shit game, Denuvo has nothing to do with it.
>Far Cry Primal
Sold well
Of all the Denuvo games only 2 sold truly bad:
ADRIFT - shitty indie game
BATMAN: Arkham Knight - fantastic on consoles game but utter shit on PC
People pirate because they don't want to buy it, taking away their ability to pirate just means they don't play it, it's not a lost sale. Putting so much effort into crushing pirates is just a good way of wasting money.
>>342377968
I thought I was getting old, but games really turned into shit.
>>342391160
>w-we didn't want it anyway!
>game gets cracked
>LOLOLOLOLOLOL CONSOLEFAGS ON SUICIDE WATCH THX 4 DA BETA TEST KEKS XD XD
>>342387709
>timed
Well that doesn't really count as a good demo then either. Anyone who didn't have the chance that week, like me, won't get to try the game. So what's the fucking point?
>>342392285
>muh mental gymnastics and no proof
>>342392285
>People pirate because they don't want to buy it, taking away their ability to pirate just means they don't play it
>>342392285
and won't talk about it*
fixed
>>342381064
Most of the sales happen in the first month, so it's not entirely unfair.
>>342391662
Holy shit, you reek of underage. If someone is caught skimping on dishwashing liquid, someone will eventually notice and take it to the media and/or sue the company. You're also forgetting about the cost of identifying who would be able to tell and who wouldn't, it's just cheaper to give everyone the real thing, just like it's cheaper to give every game DRM instead of trying to predict how much DRM is needed for every game. The end result is still more profit.
>>342392494
I downloaded it right now and it works, the one week thing is a load of shit.
>>342392603
>If someone is caught skimping on dishwashing liquid, someone will eventually notice and take it to the media and/or sue the company.
Then explain how so many restaurants have fucking rat droppings all over them and no one does anything?
>>342390939
But that's how it should work. If they fuck up, they don't deserve the sell. Why should we support people having to buy a game and find out they don't like it but be fucked into having to still pay for it? You should be able to at least tell you're going to like it first. If anything its good for the industry over all because we get an ACTUAL understanding of what people want rather than a made up for shit one based purely on hype.
>>342389904
Yeah and most of their actual profit still came from PS4. Those 500,000 sales didn't make up for that Denuvo cost by a long shot.
>>342377606
Just Cause 2 has been out for 6 years and is sold for $2.25 at every major steam sale.
Tomb Raider has been on sale for 3 years and has been sold for as low as $2.99.
How about you go dig up the numbers for Just Cause 2 and Tomb Raider in the same time frame and before discount, instead of being a disingenuous twat.
>>342392251
Homefront The Revolution, to nobody's surprise, sold like shit too.
>>342390157
Because I have a job. The reason why those countries are lazy shitholes is because they generally share the same attitude as pirates.
>>342392884
Because you live in a third world shithole.
>>342390589
Well we know for sure Witcher 3 didn't have DRM. And yet it sold REALLY well despite all the previous iterations nobody really gave a fuck. That does mean something. Especially when multiple DRM driven games are failing.
>>342392251
>>Far Cry Primal
>sold well
>>342386018
>>342392357
Pretty much.
Haven't pirated in years, but haven't bought much either. Most games just aren't worth the time you'd have to invest into them, even shitposting on /v/ is more entertaining.
>>342392285
I absolutely pirate games I would have bought if I was forced to, because I need this money more than the companies do.
>>342393378
>Live in the US
Got me there
>>342393541
Maybe he means on console
>>342382028
It's alright. Needs some finetuning. Sold well enough.
>>342393541
>Steam
lol retard
The only way to buy Steam version is to buy it on Steam. PERIOD.
All retailers, digital or physical, sell edition with Ubisoft codes and there are no public stats for Ubisoft store a-la steamspy.
Even FC4 stats are under 1mil and it sold way over that (I need to re-google exact numbers but it was more than 2 millions)
>>342381101
she got big dick sucking lips
>>342382376
>XCOM 1
>3.3 million owners
>XCOM 2
>850K
1/4 sales
>Tomb Raider
>4 million
>Rise of the Tomb Raider
>770K
1/5 sales
Your evidence don't match reality. KEK
>>342393390
Lol, armchair statistician trying hard to comprehend game sales.
>>342392216
Ya. If I can't be certain I like the controls and it runs properly on my rig I fucking won't spend $60 on it.
Is there a single good game that has used denuvo yet? It seems to be favored by modern AAA cinematic experience devs only.
>>342384586
I've been getting into making music a bit more
>>342382376
>CDPR also switches to Denuvo
Yeah, sure and they'll stop selling it on their own store too while their at it because GOG has "no DRM for anything" as a selling point.
>>342393304
>Homefront The Revolution
Another game I had no idea was out.
>>342393849
X-COM:EU: Release Date: 12 Oct, 2012
3.3mil in 4 years
Thats 70k per month
X-COM2: 5 Feb, 2016
850k in 4 month
200k per month kek
You were saying little retard?
>Rise of the Tomb Raider
http://www.gamespot.com/articles/rise-of-the-tomb-raider-first-month-pc-sales-almos/1100-6435094/
How about you get your facts straight instead of bait-shitposting little shit
>>342393545
I was poor when I was young and I really wanted a PS2. Time passed and I started working, so, two years ago, I got a decent PC and PS2.
I only played these games on PC: Dark Souls, Prototype and Valkyrie Chronicles. But I finished 10 games for PS2, maybe more.
>>342384427
They'll be like Inafune, "It's better than nothing". Anything to not have their pride hurt.
>>342393868
Compelling argument, I agree.
>>342391128
It's fun. I certainly finding it's worth it.
>>342394323
You can't sustain the number of sales for long period. It drops off right after first few months.
>>342394290
You're not missing much.
>>342394489
>You can't sustain the number of sales for long period. It drops off right after first few months.
PRECISELY THE POINT mongoloid
>>342394364
Stop talking about the PS2, now all i want to do is hook up my old rig and play some THPS3 before work.
You have five (5) seconds to name three (3) good game that use denuvo
>implying denuvo can't be defeated for games that people actually give a shit about
MGSV was broken in like a week. Most of these denuvo games nobody gives a fuck to even bother trying to crack them.
>>342394596
1) My dick
2) My dick
3) Your mom
>>342394596
>let's play the subjective taste game
>>342394596
Total War Warhammer
Jackie Cha- oh.
>>342394579
Go playKingdom Hearts and Resident Evil 4instead.
>>342394596
Doom
???
???
>>342394413
What I'm trying to say is I highly doubt you've calculated the influence of marketing, news stories, hype, install base, drm, piracy, and any other factors, then were able to mathematically deduce that effective drm actually reduced sales when all other factors were canceled out.
>>342394323
http://steamspy.com/app/203160
http://steamspy.com/app/391220
>>342394568
You're dumb m8. If the XCOM 1 is selling 70K even after 4 years, that means its lot more successful than the 200K. The number will drop off for XCOM2 after a while and then it will fall to less than 100K after 1 year, then 75k in 2 years, and so on.
>>342390772
>everything becomes homogenized because you can no longer try anything before you buy it
Whether or not a game can be played before purchase is irrelevant to whether or not it "becomes homogenized", which is wholly design.
Figuring out if a game is worth buying is as simple as watching videos and asking questions.
>>342394596
MGSV
Doom
Jackie Chan
FUCK
>>342384557
>shitposters are going to use being unable to pirate a game as a reason to laugh at people for not buying their game just to justify their purchases
>shitposters are going to shitpost
wewlad great bantz
GO HOME GAMERSHILL
>>342386059
>Artillery is shit
>ranged is shit
>magic is shit
>super casual campaign management
the only thing good in that game is a melee lord + your strongest great weapon unit.
>>342382376
>All upcoming AAA games will have Denuvo. Mass Effect Andromeda, Deus Ex
that hurts
but they will probably bypass it, because those are first 2 games that are worth anything that are protected with denuvo
>>342394596
The only denuvo game I want is Doom, and only for the single player. I'll buy it when it's down to 5-10$,
>>342395236
The fact that they can depend on people having no options means that the devs/pubs can give less of a fuck.
>Figuring out if a game is worth buying is as simple as watching videos and asking questions.
No. If you have simple taste and work off of hype then sure go ahead. But I want to feel how it plays and actually controls. That is best done with the game yourself.
>>342378214
>Mirrors Edge
I literally thought it was coming out like 2017 or 2018.
Realizing I can't stomach game review sites anymore, and thus never see video game advertisements unless /v/ is talking about a game.
>>342382376
Probably because anybody with a brain doesn't go to public torrent sites to download shit.
>>342378001
Despite what corporations and business magazines and publisher cocksuckers at gaming """"""news"""""" sites want you to believe, piracy does nothing but benefit companies since people are able to get the game for free and if they like it that means publicity and people deciding to throw money at something they like to support it.
Companies should start "leaking" the full game a week before release i.e. you have your PSN+ account or Steam or whatever and you can stream the game free for the week before it comes out. That way you can tell if you like it or not and then spend money to purchase it if you do. Piracy is essentially the new version of renting games.
>>342384557
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>>342395449
I want Andromeda to be good more than anything else in the world ;-;
>>342385549
If you steal that car and then go on a high speed chase do some sikk skids and actually get away you can bet your ass that's good advertising
>>342394991
>You're dumb m8. If the XCOM 1 is selling 70K even after 4 years, that means its lot more successful than the 200K. The number will drop off for XCOM2 after a while and then it will fall to less than 100K after 1 year, then 75k in 2 years, and so on.
No you are retard
You can't make comparison with a 4 years game dumbfuck.
if anything, X-com2 is selling WAY better since they managed to get 30% of lifetime X1 sales just in4 month kek
>retarded summerfag in charge of math
>>342396067
Here's a secret I scryed from the futureIT'S GOING TO SUCK
Denuvo is on the decline. Too many big games are seeing their numbers stagnate even with all of the boughtoff YouTube coverage/reviews. Publishers will welcome piracy and very cheap AAA games if it can drive more people to their online shops.
>>342394596
summer sale tomorrow probably going to blow all my money not on denuvo games
