Am I a shitter if I need a summon to beat him?
20 tries and the 2nd phase always ducks me up. I'm close to saying fuck it and summoning
>>342357380
You can die many times you want, but you're automatically a shitter if you summon
Raime is easy, just be patient and don't get greedy with your attack, only attack when you're feeling really confident
Also in his second phase just wait until he does the glowing spinning slash, free hit or two for you
>>342357708
some decent bosses and areas wereally literally designed around having a summon. No shame in summoning to defeat the ganksquad and the like. That boss is just pure shit
Yes, you are.
>>342357380
Why would you summon for a boss you never beat on your own you fucking pussy, let alone an optional one
>>342357380
Played DaS1, DaS2, DaS3. There were only two bosses which I could not defeat without help across the three games. Fume Knight (DaS2) and Nameless King (DaS3), both for the same reason: they have several different multi-hit combos whose cues/telegraphs are virtually identical, so I found it nearly impossible to dodge consistently. Eventually I decided to summon. Even in PvP, which is much harder than any boss, you can read your opponents consistently.
Not sure I agree with some of the design decisions From makes on a few bosses.
>>342357380
level adp
2hand weapon
dodge
>>342358720
Fume isn't optional
>>342358832
>>342358807
>>342357708
>>342357982
So i did it. Two handed my greatsword, ditched the shield and fast rolled.
Makes me think how shit im normally playing.
Im having issues with fume too. How do you dodge the magic aoe? I roll the orbs but they still always hit me
>>342359558
1bamp
>>342357380
God dark souls 2 was an ugly game
>>342359558
Roll or run away so you can easily dodge them in the distance
>>342358838
All of the DLC is optional.
>>342360509
GUESS WHAT YOU RETARDED FAGGOT, ACCORDING TO THAT LOGIC THE ENTIRE GAME IS OPTIONAL BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT OBLIGED TO PLAY IT!
DO YOU BUY A GAME SO YOU HAVE THE OPTION TO NOT PLAY IT FAG?
kill yourself.
>>342357380
dont worry, most of /v/ summoned because they are shitters who cant beat one of the easiest bosses in the game
>>342360889
Are you retarded?
Optional is everything that isn't needed to complete the game.
You can reach the Throne of Want without touching any of the DLC and so all the DLC content is optional.
>>342360418
I cant get far enough and always still get hit, should i roll foreward? This move is pissing me off its the only one i cant dodge and has killed me 10 times now. Fuck.
>>342357380
Try fighting him in Vestaldt's armor set. He'll start in his 2nd phase and then you can practice timing properly.
>>342361721
Amazing.
Good luck, OP, I somehow glitched him out and he never entered the second phase.
>>342359558
Dodge better. That's literally all there's is to it. Back up so you have room to dodge and dodge better.
>>342361305
The flameballs are spinning around so all you can do is take your distance and have good reflexes
>20 tries
Wow, it's fucking nothing!
>>342357380
>summoning on Fume Knight
Way to make the game harder for yourself, most people are shitters and the npc phantoms are beyond useless in this fight
>>342357380
He's much easier to beat alone.
The key is to roll TOWARD him; roll INTO his dick, not away from it. It's difficult to override your body's natural instinct to get away, but it's doable.
>>342357708
I disagree with this sentiment because there are a lot of bosses in DS2 which are just headache bullshit without at least an NPC summon to give you a bit of breathing room. The bosses they want you to fight one on one are blocked from summoning help anyway.
Why is he so hard? Iv'e never played DS2 but from what iv'e seen he looks pretty easy.
>>342361305>>342362237
>>342362186
Fuck you guys and your shit advice
>just git gud lol
All i needed to do was roll back twice and now he is easy as shit
Fume Knight is the boss that gave most players the most trouble.
He has a +90% death quote. Personally i had more trouble with his first phase because i just couldn't get used to his moves. Velstadts helm lets you skip that phase so you only need to deal with his second and so you have less moves to learn.
Want hard?
try beating dancer at lvl 30.
I am stuck on Champion right now trying to beat him at 30 =/
Took me a full day playing high as fuck to get him, trying harder is the only way
>>342362434
He has mad reach and his attacks in second phase deal a shitton of damage. Overall if you take him one on one, sit down and actually focus on what you're doing he's like a better Pursuer: a challenging duel. Considering your character can heal, you're on pretty even ground. Summoning allies, however, makes him notably more difficult and they are almost always shit at dodging.
>>342359558
roll right into it. If you time it right, you take no damage due to immunity frames
>>342362434
Delayed attacks and he has 2 identical combos, just watching wont really make you see how hard it is to learn his attacks first.
2nd phase is easy though if you atleast put some points in adp.
>>342362434
His attack have a long range
He does a shitload of damage
He has a bag full of moves that are hard to predict
And he has no clear weakness
>everyone saying 2nd ohase is easier
>me literally know his first phase so much i never get hit but keep fucking up on the slower 2nd phase
Man what the fuck.
Personally i would rather fight Fume Knight solo three times in a row than trying to fight Blue Smelter again. The road to him is annoying as fuck.
Literally died to him more than Orphan of Kos and Nameless king.
Summons are useless against him anyways.
Atleast the NPC ones.
And even most human summons are dying far too often against him. At the end i always solo him.
>>342361025
Did you fight any of the bosses before the shrine of winter? Because they are all optional.
Here are the mandatory bosses in DaS2: the two dragonriders in Drangleic Castle, Mirror Knight, Demon of Song, Verstaldt, Guardian Dragon, Giant Lord, Throne Watcher and Defender, Nashandra. Enjoy your mandatory game elements.
Also, one more suggestion. Why not use the binoculars glitch to just skip most of the mandatory game anyway because its too long.
>plays games so he has the option to skip content
kill yourself
If you had to fight any Souls boss in real life, who would you pick?
>>342357380
Only neo-/v/ could defend this shitty damage sponge.
>>342363479
Pinwheel
>>342357858
There are no bosses in any souls game that require a summon to beat. Unless you're a retard, any of them can beaten one on one.
>>342363479
Real King Allant
>>342363479
Quelaag with a sorc build since it would be more easy to aim and stunlock her in real life, she wouldnt stand a chance.
>>342363479
Ceaseless Discharge. I assume any attack from even the weakest boss would disintegrate me so I gotta go for that OHKO.
>>342363479
DS2 dragon rider. I'd just stand in front of him until he'd commit suicide.
>red tearstone
>nude + velstadt's hat
>denial
Is how I beat the fucker. Phase 2's attacks are easier to dodge because he doesn't take cheeky pokes with his offhand in it.
>>342362381
>I summon
>I play DS2
Opinion discarded.
>>342363847
> sorc build
> real life
Look at this autist. You would only have 10 INT anyway so you'd run out of spell charges.
>>342363831
Some fights were designed around summons, all fights can be done sl1 with no weapon, but you don't see Mr calling people shitters for leveling
>>342363991
Hey dude how are you you're really funny I liked your joke ever thought about being a comedian? Well I gotta go dude see you :)
>>342364292
There are areas designed around summoning. Not bosses. What boss was designed around summoning that's any harder than the bosses that aren't?
Once you learn him he is easy as shit. I hated letting people summon me for him because they would play like such retards and try to dodge his slow shit like DSP.
>>342364450
O&s, Lud and zallen,gank squad were designed around summons.
Also blue smelter
>>342357380
>ducks me up
>mobile posting
>>342364450
2cats,blue smelter and gank squad are designed around summons, you can even summon people who don't have dlc for those fights
>>342364597
>>342364848
>O&S
Why? Because there are two of them? Did you summon for the Four Kings, too?
Gank Squad you literally just run around in a circle to the right and a three of them die, regardless on your build. Why would you need a summon to do that? Blue Smelter is just slightly harder Red Smelter. Unless you are saying that you need a summon for Red.
The only one you might have a point on is two cats.
>>342364597
>o&s is designed around summons
rrrRRREEEEEEEEEE
stop this meme
please
the whole point of the fight is 1v2, with summons the fight is completely broken.
no boss is designed around summons, in any of the games, summons are basically the replacement for not having easy mode.
it's something casuals need.
Did it with powerstances smelter hammers on my second run.
>>342365575
Gank Squad is only fun with summens though. Terrible solo.
>>342366662
nah
it's a lazy and boring boss overall, but at least it's kind of a challenge solo
it's a complete waste of time coop
There was no way I could take that guy down on my own so I had to enlist my brothers help.
He's insane and completely unrelenting, I couldn't get any breathing room at all.
Ignore the autists whose only accomplishment is beating a Dark Souls boss solo, there's no shame in summoning for the DLC bosses, especially for what many consider the hardest boss across all the souls games.
This is a tip that works well for most bosses but is most obvious on that one because his hitbox is a mile wide. Roll through the attack to dodge them. Don't roll around them, roll through them and exploit the shit out of those I-frames.
>>342367954
>the hardest boss across all the souls games.
Holy fuck lmao.
Killing any boss with summons doesn't count as beating that boss.
You're bad at the game.
>>342369258
Correction: Killing any boss with summons doesn't count as beating that boss by your standards.
And I don't give a fiddler's fuck about an the standards of an anonymous person.
>>342363479
Sir Alonne.
1v1.
Mirrion folded katana only.
Pantsu and boots only. Shirtless.
BATTLU TO ZA DEATHU. SUDOKU NO HONORU.
>>342367954
>Fume Knight
>He's insane and completely unrelenting, I couldn't get any breathing room at all.
>what many consider the hardest boss across all the souls games.
God, I hope not. Fucking Sir Alonne his harder than Fume. Hell, many bosses in Bloodborne are harder than Fume.
Phase 1: Walk backwards until he uses big sword. Roll under big sword. Repeat until Phase 2.
Phase 2: Roll under big sword.
How can so many people have trouble with this?
>>342367954
git gus
>>342369974
I actually found Sir Alonne easier than Fume Knight, and he was the only boss in the DLC I fought solo.
>>342357380
>20 tries
Is this supposed to be a lot?
>>342365817
>game allows you to summon
>O&S has Solaire's summon sign
>"duuuuuuuur the game is not designed around summons even though you can walk in with one"
Stop your mental acrobatics. The game gives you a choice to summon or not. End of.
>>342369974
I remember reading something about 90% of people who enter Fume Knights room meet their demise.
>>342369974
How can anyone have troubles with Alonne?
>Fight Raime
>"holy shit he's hard as shit"
>look at covenant
>CoC
>turn it off
>go back and defeat him easily
I actually feel bad about it to this day.
>>342357380
>Am I a shitter
ye
>>342365817
The two tigers were designed for co-op. No one in their right mind would walk throught that snowstorm just to die in two hits.
>>342370494
Sir Al wasn't so bad, but the run back to the boss was fucking ridiculous
>>342370623
>Every single boss in Dark Souls 2 has npc summon signs to fight the bosses with.
>I guess every boss was intended to be fought with summons.
>Hurrrrr durrrrrr
>>342370716
I didn't. I just said he was harder than Fume. which really isn't that high of a bar considering Fume's complete lack of mobility.
>>342370863
I just cheesed everything there with poison arrows. The iron passage is infinitely worse, like it's deliberately designed to fuck with you.
>>342357380
>Goes into second phase
>since he is left handed start rolling left
>now he can never land a single hit
That was pretty cool how it worked out
People who summon are just as casual as those use magic builds.
>>342371248
>removing the "my dick is hard" comment in the last panel
>>342371203
at least you can just sprint through the iron passage. the agonizingly slow trip back to sir allone is the number one reason why i never bothered beating him
>>342371387
Haha, penises!
>>342357708
This. Opinion discarded from anyone who summons and says dark souls is easy .
>>342364597
Actually, it's obvious that Lud and Zallen weren't balanced around co-op. Each individual tiger has less hp than Aava (about 5/8 of his hp) and you have to take down a tiger to a certain point before the other appears. In addition, as soon as you start summoning people, the second tiger appears earlier and earlier and I think with 3 people, he appears right off the bat. So this means that the fight is balanced differently with co-op than with solo, which means that a version of that fight is designed around solo.
>>342357380
It took me 3 days and over 100 tries and you are about took quit ? Man up you fucker.
>>342371643
>Opinion discarded from anyone who summons and says dark souls is easy .
>look at me! I'm gimping myself on purpose because I'm cool and shiet
>WAAAAAAAH WHY IS THE GAME SO HAAAAARD WHEN I GIMP MYSELF???
How to know if you are casual at Dark Souls/Demons Souls:
You use a walkthrough
You summon NPC/Players to help with areas/bosses
You play unembered/hollowed/offline
You use projectiles (Arrows/Bolts)
You use a Faith Build
You use a Int Build
You put points in ADP
You use the Drakesword
You use the Dark Sword
You use Carthus Curved Sword
You use Washing Pole
You wear Armor.
You level up.
You use Fire Bombs
You use Black Firebombs
You use Molotovs
You use Grass (any variant)
You use Estus
You don't kill Patches
You kill Lautrec
You look up the current "meta"
You cap your SL at a level determined by Reddit.
>>342372024
>not summoning is gimping yourself
>>342372024
If playing solo is hard for you then you really are bad.
>>342361721
I used the helm the first time I battled him, didn't know about this until later on, shit.
>>342372195
Yes. Everytime I fight a boss solo with a two handed weapon, I know I'm not fighting it with all the tools I have (greatshield, green blossom, all the pine resins, summons). You're making the game harder than it actually is because you refuse to use those tools.
>>342358807
I played 1, 2, 3 and bloodborne all with DLC. Never summoned not even once. And i despise anyone who does. I dont even understand the courage to say it.
I summon so I can dick around with my friends
>>342372147
Imagine caring this much about what other people do on a video game
>>342372195
Not summoning is equivalent to not leveling. Sure you can do it, but why?
If the game lets you, why hinder yourself
>>342372204
Mate, I beat all the games on NG+7 solo. That doesn't mean I don't know I'm gimping myself by "fighting them legit".
>>342372147
Only 2 of those are right.
summoning, and using a guide. Everything else is alright.
>it's a "walk backwards for fifteen minutes until the boss lets you hit him once" fight
>>342370736
The only boss that made me leave CoC are the double cats. I just couldn't stand the walk through horsefuck valley anymore.
I'll have my revenge one day
>>342357380
I magicked the fuck out of him.
Don't fucking attack if you don't have enough stamina for atleast 3 rolls.
>>342363479
Pinwheel
Or the Dancer of the Boreal Valley.
>>342372518
cats?
>>342357380
Some bosses are actually easier alone.
bonfire is right next to him, just keep trying. I recommend you to wear light armor.
>>342372667
Who do you think people are constantly talking about in the thread?
>>342372480
id say magic first run is criminal
>>342357380
You're a shitter for playing shitty b-team souls.
>>342372827
>having trouble with blue smelter, burnt ivory, and ancient dragon
>look at this
I absolutely dread it.
>He summons for boss battles and claims it's easy
>He thinks he has an opinion on boss battles or even the area when all he had to do was sit back and let his summons do the work
wear smelter armor, chug estus
>>342363479
>Ceaseless discharge
Just run away from him to the fog door and he will jump to his death.
>>342372947
>>He summons for boss battles and claims it's easy
It IS, in fact, easy when you summon for boss battles. Why contradict yourself?
>>342372947
>Not going full ham along with your squad on the boss
>>342372947
>he purposely gimps himself for epeen points
>>342372827
I didn't have a problem with those cats at all. One of my summons was distracting one while me and my friend fucked the other up. It was a pretty easy fight.
>>342357380
DONT
YOULL REGRET
>>342373158
Yeah man that fight was pretty easy i just leveled to 387 and summoned 3 of my bros and completely shitted on those cats.
Not sure why anyone thinks its difficult
>>342373158
>One of my summons was distracting one while me and my friend fucked the other up. It was a pretty easy fight.
Well yeah, summons make everything easy. But to be fair, I saw a guy who's not even really experienced with souls games beat that boss on his first try solo because of his huge dps. He only had to endure the both of them for a small amount of time.
>>342357380
Summoning made this boss way harder for me. Just beat him down to second phase since he has two moves that can be exploited.
>>342373373
>Well yeah, summons make everything easy.
this meme needs to stop.
>>342373373
Summons make Nasshandra harder, this is objectively true.
>have 3 summons
>suddenly 8 curse portals
>your squad drops like flies
>you now fight a 4x beefed nasshandra solo
>>342357380
>ducks me up
>>342373158
Well, yeah with summons they're fun and games. But if you're playing CoC, you can't summon and they have more health and damage.
I beat all DLCs blind on CoC but these two destroyed me. My will was shattered when the second one started to regenerate health, and the final blow was when I misdodged a swipe right before I was going to kill it.
>>342373630
The mistake you're making is fighting when you have summons, when you should just stay back at all times to avoid bosses doing a random 180.
>>342372147
>You use a walkthrough
True
>You summon NPC/Players to help with areas/bosses
True
>You play unembered/hollowed/offline
True
>You use projectiles (Arrows/Bolts)
True
>You use a Faith Build
Unless it's Str/Faith or Dex/Faith, true.
>You use a Int Build
Unless it's Str/Int or Dex/Int, true.
>You put points in ADP
True
>You use the Drakesword
True, goes hand in hand with walkthrough though
>You use the Dark Sword
t. im bad at pvp
>You use Carthus Curved Sword
t. im bad at pvp
>You use Washing Pole
t. im very bad at pvp
>You wear Armor.
Nah
>You level up.
To an extent
>You use Fire Bombs
To an extent, if thats all you use then you're no different than a caster so true.
>You use Black Firebombs
See above
>You use Molotovs
See above
>You use Grass (any variant)
False
>You use Estus
False
>You don't kill Patches
False
>You kill Lautrec
False
>You look up the current "meta"
True
>You cap your SL at a level determined by Reddit.
True
>>342372518
>horsefuck valley on ng+7 CoC
end it all
>>342372147
This right here, this man knows his shit.
You're not allowed to criticize this game by "too easy" unless you cleared NG+7 SL1.
>>342358832
>level adp
dark souls 2 will never be good.
>>342373158
>kek guyz my 2 bros 'n me fucked those cats up on ng with lvl 600
>>342372147
the funny thing is how wrong you are about int and faith for dark souls 3.
>>342374827
>needing adp
More like you will never be good
Only one attack in the game needs 90+ADP
ONE
And it's a attack noone will ever get hit byChariot's wheel
>>342374730
>beating the game on hard mode is not easy
Jee, who would have thought?
reminder that summoning is LITERALLY the same as cheating
>>342374991
I did both before the casting buff, it's pretty easy and trivializes the game
>>342375036
i beat dark souls 2 during the launch week before it was nerfed for "difficulty problems" for scrubs like you who played it with all the expansions.
ITT: "villains" who did nothing wrong
>>342375151
oh yeah because without the candle stick you literally dont have enough mana to kill magic resistant bosses like aldritch by yourself , nice job summoning your way through the game
>>342357380
First phase use a great shield to block. Second phase, two-hand weapon and roll towards his right when he does the slow slash, roll to his left twice when he does his quick slashes. Only attack ONCE right after successfully rolling through his attack. If you get hit and survive, heal immediately after dodging a slow slash.
For the AOE, just roll away twice, then roll towards him, through the dark fire orbs.
>>342375314
>summoning
nice projecting faggot
Did you have problems on oceiros too?
>>342375314
>switching to fire for one boss is hard
Fucking wow.
>>342373902
WHAT THE FUCK IS COC
>>342376229
Company of Champions, dummy.
>>342374039
And? Would you like to announce to us you're a casual or something? Fuck off bud, nobody cares.
>>342357708
After killing him a few times solo, im summoning any other time i decide to play this DLC.
His first phase is fun and aggressive, but his second phase is a test of patience and i dont have any more to spare.
>>342373630
no you need to stop
>>342375179
It was easier back then, stop crying
>it's a ''summoncucks get called out and start strawmanning'' episode
>>342376323
Do monsters respawn with CoC? Because that seems to make the game easier, not harder.
Blabla more damage blabla less damage. Whatever. We all know there's a point where this shit barely even matters
>>342357380
I suffered like you. Eventually I just did the fight naked for the godlike dodges.
also, is DSII the hardest soul game?
Just thought I would ask since this thread seems to have shitposting at minimum.
>>342357380
I had a harder time beating him with summons than doing it alone.
>>342376886
They do in SOTFS and after 1.10 patch I believe. You can farm stuff like twinkies and petribones quite easily.
>>342361721
Is there a lore reason for this or a just glitch?
>>342362438
So you got gud. Gud.
>>342377931
Raime hates Velstadt for some reason I can't remember. Not a glitch
>>342363369
In a good day, Cestus girl can stagger him on the second phase.
>>342364292
>designed around summons
Oh god, do you have to lie to yourself? You're just a shitter.
>>342370835
>designed for co-op
Keep telling yourself that mate
Why do people say Laurence's legless form is hard?
>>342357380
>20 tries
>>342372346
You are fucking retarded, holy shit.
>>342372440
Omfg
OK fuck this neo /v/
>>342378524
believe it or not the game was designed around sl1
playing otherwise is incorrect
>>342377462
Dunno, but it certainly loves to put you through mob gauntlets, more so in the DLC. Nothing that can't be taken care of by being cautious.
Having some kind of backup ranged damage, be it a bow, crossbow or knives, helps a lot.
>>342370835
I solo'd them. Its hard but doable.
>>342372894
I'm honestly thinking of making a new magic based character and then just relocate all the points later...
Seriously, those fucking knights would be fucking useless if I could keep my distance.
>>342378753
omfg inorite?
>>342378753
what can't do sl1, are you casual? lmao
>>342378630
its more or less he's a damage sponge
and if you're playing incorrectly (being melee) then it can be a pain to actually hit him
>>342357380
Nigga who the fuck cares if you summon or not
The game literally is designed to let you get help, bot only that but your playstyle could easily effect the difficulty of bosses
If youve spent more than an hour on a boss, just summon someone, its not EVER worth the time
>>342372147
>You dont kill Patches
Killing Patches is casual as fuck you faggot
>>342378783
You still think the game was designed for co-op when it's literally just an online feature exactly so faggots like you don't think it's hard.
>>342363479
congregation and prowling magus
>>342378984
well I don't know if they patched him to make it easier but if he does any of his arm swipe attacks he leaves a huge opportunity to hit him
>>342379129
This. Why the fuck is that even listed
>>342362381
Roling towards somebody's dick shouldn't be a problem for the OP.
>>342372380
It's easier for autists.
