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defend this
>>342357091
Switch to a grass type
it's a game for little kids
It appears once the pokemon is in your pokedex. Not all of us are autistic enough to memorize the entire type chart.
Defend from what?
>>342357196
/thread
>>342357196
This. No defending needed.
>>342357091
Honestly though, does it really matter? It's not like the battles take place in real time or anything. I know sometimes with steel/dark/fairy (non-original) types I have to remind myself what the weaknesses are during battles, especially if I haven't played in a while.
>>342357091
It only happens on pokemon you've already encountered, you'll still have to think and figure out weaknesses/resistances for pokemon you haven't faced yet.
>>342357189
and we've reached the end of the thread.
>>342357091
Tons of RPGS have this, it's a pretty standard feature.
>>342357091
SMT does it.
>>342357091
Make a case for it being bad. Knowing the type chart has NEVER been part of the challenge. Team assembly and move choices within said assembly is what the series is about. Build a team and use them appropriately.
>>342357091
>its always been a casual game
>type matchups are already well known, this isn't showing us any new information
>fuck Cradily
>people here are so bad at games that they think gen 1 Pokémon was hard.
>You can easily beat the elite 4 with just 1 Pokémon
>>342357392
delete this
>>342357091
No defending this. Let's just suck as much difficulty out of it as we possibly can. Let's have the character instantly respawn in the same spot after losing with his team healed too and give the player the option to skip a battle if it's too hard.
>>342357196
>playing a video game makes you autistic
>>342357189
Then why didn't previous games have it? Seriously get better bait.
>>342357091
>only appears if it's in your dex
>filling your pokedex now have a slight impact on the game
how is that bad?
>"but anon, it's too easy"
pokemon is known for its difficulty now?
>>342357091
>tutorials for overly simple battle system to be even more simple.
nothing wrong here
>>342357091
>a game for children being hand-holdy
WOW
>>342357641
Damage control
>>342357524
>pokemon game
>difficulty
nigga you serious?
>>342357612
are you actually saying pokemon isnt a kids' game
>>342357612
Because it hadn't been thought of before? It's called innovation.
>>342357669
>>342357746
>>342357747
Hi bait. Good to have you here.
>>342357481
Gen 1 wasn't hard, but it didn't hold your hand the whole way either. Pretty much all I want is an "I have played most of the series, only help me with new stuff" option, but we can't have that because kids are retarded.
>>342357392
Literally fucking this
>>342357612
The previous entries had fewer types of pokemon
>>342357392
Eat shit OP
>>342357612
it's because gamefreak is so talented that it took 25 years to realize this.
>>342357842
>facts are b8
is this b8
>>342357091
I personally don't care, to know the 324 ways/171 unique combinations is something that comes naturally to me, so it's a blip on the radar for the next games. But if you look back at the footage you'll see the typing warnings don't come up until after the attack has been known and you get the Pokemon. But who knows, maybe the most recent E3 game leak will be true and we'll be getting the stuff have been asking for with other installments so something like this that exists solely for beginners doesn't really bother me all that much.
>>342357091
it's forgetful fucks like myself, I forget what's super effective and not when it comes to different types (mostly fairy). I bet they'll probably ask you in the beginning of the game if you want it on or off.
>>342357912
>3 fewer types
Man that's a lot.
>>342357842
hello retard. not so good to have you here
>>342357392
kek
>>342357973
The bait is back. What have you got for us this time?
Its 2016
20 years ago they'd expect us to catch the pokemon first, then cross reference its type with the weakness chart in our manuals
They don't have manuals anymore, and I for one amd glad they're not going to force some massive manual in the game we have to read over for every little detail to understand the basics like "This is super effective'
>Pull a match up chart up
Gee that was so hard
reminderthat GameFreak believes that the game needs to be more tailored to smartphone users
reminder that GameFreak wanted to create mainline games for smartphones
reminder that smartphone users are fucking retards since every retard owns a smartphone, and you have to work around for that.
Case in point: the fact that all the attacks are moved to the side so you can tap them with your thumb while playing.
It also has an option to change the side of the attack list, so that left handed people also can use it.
>>342358052
Hi bait.
>Game gives you type matchup info
>OMG WHY ARE THEY CASUALIZING THIS SERIES YOU SHOULD HAVE TO LOOK IT UP YOURSELF THAT'S THE WAY IT'S MEANT TO BE
>Game tells you a move's effects
>OMG WHY ARE THEY CASUALIZING THIS SERIES YOU SHOULD HAVE TO LOOK IT UP YOURSELF THAT'S THE WAY IT'S MEANT TO BE
>Game tells you where to find certain Pokemon
>OMG WHY ARE THEY CASUALIZING THIS SERIES YOU SHOULD HAVE TO LOOK IT UP YOURSELF THAT'S THE WAY IT'S MEANT TO BE
>>342357091
i can't, it's super effective
>>342358212
>>342357091
How dare they tell me the pokemon's name! I should have to guess it or look it up online!
>>342358047
That's 30+ more matchups to remember.
>>342358150
Daily, weekly, and monthly reminder that this was found in the code for the E3 handout for Sun and Moon, which was leaked earlier this week and was temporarily unintentionally available to the public from E3's site due to someone posting the username and password to access it on purpose
Ya'll need to stop shitposting about this seeing as how half of you niggas run to the wiki every time you battle someone.
>>342357091
It's a series built for children within the age of 6-12. You're still playing it believing it to be a game not built for children. You grew up, held onto nostalgia, and now you're upset that a game you grew up with is changing even though it's not built for your age.
It's time to grow the fuck up OP.
>>342357091
FF does the same an you LOVE it.
>>342358150
>implying ergonomics are a bad thing
Don't tell.me you haven't wanted to eat and play pokemon at the same time. Stop whining about simple shit
>>342358150
>Case in point: the fact that all the attacks are moved to the side so you can tap them with your thumb while playing.
But that's actually really useful and clever UI design even for the 3DS.
SMT does it with far fewer enemies to keep track of, and I don't see anyone complaining about that.
>>342358294
>I'm bad at pokemon
Then just don't play it, anon. It's simple. If you don't memorize most of the type matchups over time by playing the game just stop.
a shit build still fail
>>342357091
Why are people so butthurt about this? It's been like 20 fucking years, you should know what beats what by this point. This doesn't change anything
>>342358453
Its a game for children
>>342358150
Kids were always like that. My friend's little brother tried to play the games without reading. He knew how to read, he was just so lazy he wouldn't do it. So we have a 9 year old trying to get through Fire Red by using tail whip on everything until he gives up because he doesn't know if he made progress.
>>342358327
>use of alcohol
Now the games are interesting.
>>342358327
What is special about the highlighted part?
>>342358451
You idiot, everyone knows it is only bad when Nintendo does it!
>>342358453
Most isn't all.
>>342357091
pretty sure it'll be an option you can toggle off, you know, so your precious little ego won't be bruised that the game is telling you something you already know.
God forbid little kids learn what their best move options for a situation is through practical demonstration instead of a type chart.
>>342357612
because kids today are dumber than kids 20 years ago
>>342358327
so... the game has the same rating it always has? How is that related to phone? Also it's not even a leak, the Pokemon Go interview stated clearly SM will have phone interaction, I swear you hater eats the worst "my dad" stories when reality is way more direct.
>>342358395
Weak argument.
When we were kids it never told you what was super effective in battle, and it was still aimed at children then.
Your argument would only work if OP was suggest a new complex mechanic, and not complaining about a new easier mechanic.
>>342358527
That isn't lazy, that is retarded.
>>342358519
/thread
>>342358572
There's a good chance that with Sun and Moon that the first mainline Pokemon games have a good chance to be ESRB E10+ or even T rated. They contain some kind of simulated gambling (possibly the return of the Game Corner), and alcohol reference.
>le it's for chldren meme
Pokemon has been severely streamlined and casualized, even more, since gen 6.
It's not the franchise's fault that kids today are getting dumber and with shorter attention spans because of smartphones. They're catering to that new generation of kids, not the kids from 10 years ago who didn't have tablets/smartphones/etc
If you want a mildly challenging Pokemon game, just to back to play Platinum or B2W2 hard mode.
>>342357842
I hope if I ever get this delusional someone shoots me
>>342358650
Bollocks
Kids today are more accustomed to technology and games than we were when Pokemon came out.
>>342357091
>mfw there is people in this thread right now that think this game isnt made for kids
>>342358769
>Pokemon has been severely streamlined and casualized, even more, since gen 6.
Then why aren't you the champion? If it's so casualized and easy, why don't you compete and make a bunch of money easy?
>>342358830
>Kids today are more accustomed to technology
completely wrong. They eat it without a clue of what is behind it. They fear change and put all their trust on brands selling them the most expensive products.
>>342358764
Oh, thanks, Anon. I'm not too familiar with the ESRB rating shit.
>>342358769
I'm upset at some of the "streamlining" changes like the new xp share. But I'm not the slightest bit mad about more transparency in mechanics. They let us see our EV's? Great! Breeding mechanics have been simplified? Excellent. We can see stat changes? Finally. I don't see any reason why I would be mad about the game reminding you what moves are super effective. It doesn't remove any meaningful difficulty.
>>342358876
>this much strawman
>>342358520
>>342358790
Hit bait. Good to have you here.
>>342358610
>my memory is shit
Then just don't play. I'm pretty sure I already said this.
>>342358687
You're implying that they wouldn't if they could.
They are aiming for a new generation and this new generation sucks at working shit out on their own. Pokemon is so old now that it's entering it's second generation it's now time to take a kick at that new generation. People are salty as fuck about this, but hey kids are fucking stupid now.
It wasn't a weak argument it's time to grow the fuck up. They are aiming for the next generation not our generation. They know we have grown up and moved on with our lives. It's now time for you to settle down and introduce your stupid kids to the series.
>>342358997
How is that a strawman? You said the series was casual and easy, and I asked why you aren't dominating the competition for free money. Explain yourself.
>>342358150
>It also has an option to change the side of the attack list, so that left handed people also can use it
Leftie here, I tap with my right thumb, so that's not necessarily true.
It's just preference.
It's like left-handed guitars, most of us just use right-handers.
>>342359037
I'm pretty sure you said you couldn't remember all of them.
>>342358968
>But I'm not the slightest bit mad about more transparency in mechanics. They let us see our EV's? Great! Breeding mechanics have been simplified? Excellent. We can see stat changes? Finally. I don't see any reason why I would be mad about the game reminding you what moves are super effective. It doesn't remove any meaningful difficulty.
Because "pros" are upset how more casuals can do the ardorous process of minmaxing easier.
Basically, autism.
>>342358997
ikr You can't even see an argument anymore because of how big that strawman is.
>>342359117
Bye bait.
>>342358441
....you can eat while playing the 3ds. the original 3ds comes with a stand.
>>342358447
true, but it also means that they will dumb down the gameplay sooner or later.
Wouldnt be suprised if they make it a rock paper scissor game later on with just 3 elements, or elements use they effect and are now a purly asthetic element of the game. Not sun and moon obviously, but the 4th or 5th generation from this one.
I know how my live will end up; when Im 50, I will be all alone. Seeing one of the things that are dear to me getting ruined is something I just dont want. And smartphone games are realy dumb, I played several but never one that truly makes me feel happy, just because they have to handhold you at EVERY opportunity.
>>342358527
Your friend is realy stupid. But I know adults who also do this shit and end up complaining. Also Streamers and lets players, but you cant expect any brain from people who consider playing video games and do dumb faces "hard work".
>>342357091
I love that the inclusion of this affects absolutely nothing at all, because in the rare case that someone was unsure of a pokemon's type, they would just look it up anyway.
Like this is some cardinal sin that's somehow made pokemon worse or easier.
>>342359094
why are you bringing up autistic tourneyfag shit out of sudden?
How is that related to the main core game and the post-game?
>>342359306
>muh slippery slope
Chill nigga. No use getting mad about things that may one day happen.
>>342359296
See >>342358453
>If you don't memorize most of the type matchups
>most
>>342358957
>muh brands
Doesn't matter what brand it is, they're still more used to technology.
As a kid, very few people had a computer.
Now, every kid has a smartphone, a tablet, a laptop, and a console.
>>342359520
GENWUNNERS BTFO
GEN1 CONFIRMED WORST GEN
EAT SH
>>342359520
Fucking casual shit, why didn't they let us figure out on our own that fighting is resistant to bug?
Blame the kids.
Masuda said they didn't bother adding Frontier to ORAS because kids just don't give a shit about it and wasn't worth the effort just to please the hardcore fans.
So yeah, expect more shit like this in the future. Next time you'll have gym leaders offering to heal your Pokemon and rematch them right away if you lose a battle.
Just accept it and move on. Pokemon isn't the franchise for you anymore.
>>342359520
Now keep that on-hand every single time you play the game. Don't forget your move list too since the game doesn't tell you what moves do.
Oh wait.
>>342358572
>wild suggestive themes
>simulated gambling
>use of alcohol
>>342359520
FUCKING CASUALS RUINING THE GAME
MUH DIFFICULTY
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
>>342359667
>Now keep that on-hand every single time you play the game
You mean FRLG?
>>342359686
Pokemon has had gambling since Gen 1
Japanese versions have had alcohol
And I swear that's the Biker's dick that I see, I have no idea what the fuck it actually is
>>342359667
>not keeping the manual on-hand when you play.
You didn't grow up with the game boy, right?
Only two moves that are TM/HM attacks of the pool of Pokemon your rival has at the end of Red/Green/Blue are Blastoise's Blizzard and Pidgeot's Sky Attack. The rest are the last 4 attacks that Pokemon learns.
>>342358764
Didn't the game corners older pokemon game count as simulated gambling if yes then it's fucking nothing.
why do people still buy this shit? You literally do the same thing every game.
>pick started out of 3 stooges
>face random niggas
>face 8 top tier niggas
>face 4 elite nigguhs
>face real niggas
>use 1 or 2 pokemon the whole game
>>342359746
Can you access it during battle?
>>342359869
Yeah, but they removed it in gen 5 and 6.
>>342359904
Yep.
>>342357091
Children today have shorter attention span so they need to be spoonfed everything.
How is that hard to understand?
>>342359897
also the games used to be $30 right? Shit is $50
>>342359404
>autistic tourneyfag shit
speaking of strawmen...
Is water super effective against steel?
>>342359420
>love a thing, even if its pathetic to love that thing
>see "negative" change in the thing just so it reaches people who dont even give a shit about that thing, who will spent at top 1 hour with it and drop it afterwards
>soon the thing will be something that it wasnt, not a evolution from it but an devolution
>>342359665
im already sad, but thanks for more.
>>342360003
No, but I think Steel isn't very effective against water.
>>342359991
Handhelds used to cost 35 - 40 dollars.
Handhelds today cost around 40 dollars.
Kill yourself.
>>342360006
There's nothing negative or "negative" about giving people quick access to things that were already easily available.
>>342359991
>3ds games
>$50
What 3rd world country are you from? In the US they range from $30-$40
>>342359520
it would've been kinda neat to only get an empty table that you could fill out yourself
I did that when that touhou pokemon clone was popular on here some time ago, and I had fun adding new types to the table and keeping track which attacks were effective against other types
>>342359897
why do people still play games? You literally do the same thing every game.
>start game
>play game
>either finish game or quit early
>>342357091
>I don't have to look up type charts anymore
Awesome. I don't even see why this needs defending, it's a casual kids game. Literally baby's first turn based RPG. This shit should have always been in the game, it's a convenience thing.
I mean seriously, you literally just look up type charts at the moment anyway, it's literally no different other than being more convenient.
Only complete autism lords would have any issue with this.
>>342359991
>>342359897
>>342360149
>buy
>3DS games
lol
Pokemon Super Mystery Dungeon had this system, and it's one of the best Pokemon spin-offs, if not games in general.
>>342360149
paying $40 for 200p game
>>342359897I like playing online.
>>342357091
defend this
>>342360006
>devolution
You don't understand how evolution works.
Fucking faggot.
>>342357091
SMT did it since the first game and nobody bitched.
>>342357139
Underrated post
>>342358696
And that's who their target audience is.
>>342360406
it's only wrong when Nintendo does it.
Defend this.
>>342360129
it will lead to more.
this is just the beginning.
>you killed a legendary? Dont worry, he will come back! just re-enter the room and try again!
>you used your masterball already, right before the main legendary of the game? Have anoher one!
>guaranteed catch if you throw a hyperball at a pokemon that has red HP
>money will be completly removed : you can get stuff by just demanding it from the shopkeep in max quantity
>if you are in trouble, your pokemon can attack twice or top-recovery will be used automatically without wasting the turn
>you dont have top recovery? Well now you have one!
>>342358968
> the new xp share
The new one is pretty much how it worked in Gen 1.
>>342360787
This is such a retarded fucking argument. If they wanted to make the game as easy as possible they'd have done it already.
>>342360861
I didn't like it back then either.
>>342360348
>s.s.stop buying games OR ELSE
>>342359904
You seriously don't know about FRLG's help feature that tells you EVERYTHING about the game? Not to mention the game has a flashback function too in case you forgot what you last did.
>>342360787
>muh slippery slope
>muh slippery slope
>muh slippery slope
>muh slippery slope
>muh slippery slope
>muh slippery slope
>>342360731
When did Ash get so autistic?
>>342360787
>le slip slop argument
Always entertaining.
>>342360496
SMT is much more complex than Pokemon in other regards.
>>342360284
>Literally baby's first turn based RPG
>has to look up type charts
Way to completely contradict yourself.
>i-it's not difficult, you could just look up a guide!
>>342358764
this doesn't warrant a T rating there. It's gonna be hilarious to see the US version vs rest of the world .
Literally zero difference from looking it up on google in terms of difficulty.
>>342360787
Why do think this is a slippery slope when showing weaknesses/resistances is a common RPG feature and far harder games than Pokemon do it despite not nearly as many different enemies?
>>342360936
>FRLG help feature
I forgot about that. Which, to be honest, is part of why I was okay with that. They didn't force you to read every page of it before you battle. It was just there if you need it.
>>342361110
>games are easy if you use online guides, so they should just put guides into the game
>>342357091
I'm lazy and forget the interactions of bug/poison/fighting with everything.
>>342358687
>When we were kids it never told you what was super effective in battle,
untrue, the dude at the gym door told you what element to favor. Also in PVE you can roll over the game with normal type attacks "super effective" doesn't make the game that easier when it's already low as all shit.
>>342360936
I stopped playing after Gen 2, only ever played Gen 3 on an emulator and it was mostly Ruby/Sapphire.
>>342360940
He's never been right in the head.
>>342357139
Love it
>>342361026
Autism detected
Go away.
Seriously, if you can remember over 1300 type weakness combinations without ever having to look it up you are a fucking literal autist.
>>342361251
Yes it does. Having to memorize something is always harder than having the game literally tell you. It's the difference between a closed and open book test.
Yes if you're already a bitch nigger who plays with a FAQ on his screen then it won't make a difference.
>>342361202
There is no difficulty in memorizing shit. So it literally doesn't matter.
>>342358830
>le technology is good meme
Kids today are out of shape, lack common sense, and suffer from depression due to lack of social activity from technology
>>342357845
>but it didn't hold your hand the whole way either.
That's because it didn't have to, the game was so broken that it made everything a joke regardless of if you intended to break it or not.
>>342358687
There were less types, less Pokemon, and less type diversity when you were a kid.
>>342357612
It was in the manual.
>>342357139
>wasting pokeballs on grass type pokemon
>>342361154
its actualy not about that. dont give a shit about this, even though it kinda is part of my described problem.
The main issue is that Masuda as of late has been more and more vocal about the cazualisation of pokemon, saying stuff like "Smartphone gamers are our core audience now" and shit related to that.
it will happen.
>>342361190
When exactly do they "force" you to do something?
>>342357091
I still forget some resistances when dual types are involved. Saves me from looking up the chart again.
the game has over 700 creatures, you expect me or even little kids to know all their typings by heart? >>342357091
>>342361356
If it's so easy then why do you need to google it?
>>342361345
>th-this game is easy!
>th-this game requires too much knowledge!
Why so hypocritical?
>>342361348
Most classes of any kind past grade school tend to stick with open book tests, since memorization isn't what they are testing you on. Same applies here.
>>342357091
You either already know all the type match ups or you just waste time looking it up.
The only people this hurts are the willfully ignorant.
>>342357524
>Pokemon
>Difficult
Are you this delusional?
>>342361494
Why so autistic?
>>342361434
>muh slippery slope
Also who cares?
>>342357091
Keeps from having to look up a typing chart. There's like 30 types now and I can't keep track of them all, hell I don't even remember all the weaknesses from red/blue
>>342361026
The autism go to
>>>/vp/
>>342357091
spoon feed me more daddy
>>342361520
>Most classes of any kind past grade school tend to stick with open book tests, since memorization isn't what they are testing you on. Same applies here.
Holy shit what the fuck happened to American education? I'm not that old.
Not surprised little kids are defending this.
>>342360354
It was great having that there. I think it also showed the Pokémon's typing under/near its portrait as well, which is kind of redundant but still neat.
>>342357091
i want a pkmn game with a difficulty setting
like opponents that are smart or have a changed up pkmn list for trainers to use
or a nuzlock mode?
>>342361390
Nice projection, never said technology was good or bad.
I said kids today are more accustomed to it than we were.
>>342357612
Gen 1 games gave you a type chart with every copy.
Gen 4 games had a type checker.
Eat shit.
>>342357091
>Make Arceus-flying
>Name it Arceus-steel
>Dex lists Arceus as normal type
>Either they go for fighting because it says fighting beats normal, fighting because they see steel, or ground because they see steel
>All options result in a much weaker attack against your flying type Arceus
>>342361630
>Holy shit what the fuck happened to American education? I'm not that old.
Welcome to all English colleges since the 1600s.
>>342361573
They've only added one more type sense Gold and Silver. And that was extremely recent too.
>>342361563
>>342361589
>no argument
Why am I not surprised
>>342361647
>things that hardcore gamers or true fans want
>while Masuda being in love with his iPhone
Lol
>>342357189
That's not fare to say though, I was a little kid when I first played and I didn't have someone hand-holding me telling me what's Super Effective.
>>342361691
You know you can simply look at the color of its ring, right?
poison is weak to ground.
>>342361434
implying the the first pocket monster game wasnt designed to shill the gameboy pocket.
>but muh mobile platform was better!
>>342361647
Black and White 2sorta
>nuzlocke
Stupidiest shit
>>342361695
Patent bullshit. I can count the number of open book tests I had on one hand, and I have a useless bachelor's degree.
>>342361647
Better off playing a different series, the PvE AI is and always has been, piss weak.
>>342361806it was designed to shill the link cable since noone bought it.
>>342361678
You still had to connect the dots yourself, especially for dual types. The game didn't literally tell you what move to use and not use.
>>342361930
>it's much different because i had to look in the manual instead of the game
oh my god im so mad that literaly babies can look at their movelist at a glance and see which attacks are good against whichever one of the hundreds of steel/fairy/magic/birdshit types there are, how am i ever going to enjoy the game now
>>342361793
flying and steel are similarly colored, and most people don't memorize the colors anyway.
>>342361930
>You still had to connect the dots yourself, especially for dual types.
Nigga it outright told you what they were especially in gen 4 where you could just input the types and get the answer.
And in gen 1 one of the types didn't even factor into things.
>>342361390
>this much projecting
The CDC stated that the newest generation of teenagers are more physically active than the previous one
>>342361930
So what?
All it takes is a glance at a type chart to see what will work.
They just cut out the pointless middle man.
>>342362135
>one of the types didn't even factor into things.
What are you talking about? Dual types worked the same way in gen 1.
>>342362062
>You still had to connect the dots yourself
>The game didn't literally tell you what move to use and not use
>>342361738
Game is easy as fuck, crystal is the only one that take me more than 3 weeks to finish, never had a KO aside from Red
Game is for kids and that's why gamefreak put the matchup there, to simplify it more than it is.
There you go.
>>342359329
>>342359329
>>342359329
>>342359329
>>342359329
This pretty much.
>>342362262
>it's much different because i had to look in the manual instead of the game
>>342362262
>Dual types worked the same way in gen 1.
It didn't.
>>342362273
>to simplify it more than it is.
Yes, that is the problem. When fucking Pokemon of all things is dumbing down this much, games are in trouble. It might as well play itself at this point.
>>342362306
Is there any difference between Silcoon and Cascoon?
>>342362425
One evolves into dustox, the other Beautifly.
>>342362425
The eyes
>>342362405
>It might as well play itself at this point.
You mean like all Pokemon games since gen 1?
"Press A in autopilot" didn't become a term for Pokemon games for nothing you know.
>>342362357
It did, It just didn't say it because it didn't know how to handle it for whatever reason. Conflicting types would be called either Super Effective or Not Very Effective, but would still take 1X damage.
>>342361390
t. Kid who grew up with technology
>>342362494
>>342362512
But in terms of movepool, stats and typing?
>>342362357
It literally did. Bulbasaur had the same fucking type modifiers in gen 1 that it does now, aside from new types and changes to bug.
>>342362347
Why are you so fucking stupid? Looking at a chart means applying information from a reference. Connecting the dots. It's not literally telling you how your moves will hit your specific current opponent, i.e. connecting the dots for you.
>>342362405
Nigga, again, it's a kid's game, as much smogon fags want it to be a whole science. Just move on.
>>342362639
So basically what you're saying is that it's much different because i had to look in the manual instead of the game.
>>342357196
Once you catch them or once you see them?
>>342361785
>hardcore gamers or true fans
MY
FUCKIN
SIDES
>>342362639
>Bulbasaur had the same fucking type modifiers in gen 1 that it does now
You are kidding right?
For starters the whole game was revamped in generation 3 from the ground up.
>>342361434
>cazualisation of pokemon
Do you faggots even read what you type?
>>342361647
A Pokemon game where you get your ass beat if you dont use proper attacks and types would be really fun. The story always feels like needless busywork because even a retard could beat it with one pokemon.
>>342362704
>it's a kid's game
So was RBY, and it wasn't literally braindead.
>having to think about your moves in an RPG is smogon
You are retarded.
>>342362639
>Looking at a chart means applying information from a reference. Connecting the dots. It's not literally telling you how your moves will hit your specific current opponent, i.e. connecting the dots for you.
Who gives a fuck? You're just looking away from the game at a piece of paper or some wiki information. That's not engaging or fun. That's a waste of time.
>>342362932
>So was RBY, and it wasn't literally braindead.
Except for the fact that it still remains as the easiest pokemon game to date.
But hey, it didn't tell you where to go. Much.
>>342362831
>look I play Dark Souls and Call of Duty!
>I AM the Hardcore Gamer, not you with your ninty kiddy shit!
do us all a favor and end yourself
>>342362932
>having to think about moves in a game where spamming your strongest move is enough to beat it without problems
kek
>>342362842
Dude wat?
>>342363019
>Has to make assumptions to prove his point.
Pokemon is fun, but it's not exactly a hardcore title.
>>342362842
No it wasn't. IVs were revamped, and abilities added, but type modifiers were the same. Stop talking about things that you obviously don't know shit about.
>>342362785
It's different because you weren't looking at the same fucking thing you idiot. It's like saying that the manual telling you to look for weak spots in bosses is the same as the game literally having a big flashing arrow showing you where the weak spot is. Eat shit.
>>342362932
What the fuck? Of course RBY was a kids game, never said anything against that.
>>having to think about your moves in an RPG is smogon
Never said that either dumbass.
As said, just move on, why you still burning your money with gamefreak.
>>342363191
No, it's more like saying that the manual saying "the weakness of boss 1 is his eye!" is the same as an NPC telling you the weakness of boss 1 is his eye.
Which it is.
>>342363252
That is exactly what you said.
>this isn't smogon, only smogonites would want to play a game that doesn't literally tell you what to do
>>342357091
it's PvE only
:^)
>>342363019
>he doesn't liked my game, must be a COD player!
/vp/ as always
>>342363134
can be if you play it with friends who know their shit or in the late game modes that previous gens liked to offer one.
>autist complaining about a feature that has been a quasi-standard for JRPG since old times
Hilarious.
>>342363378
No it isn't. The manual doesn't say "Drapion is weak to Ground, immune to Psychic and neutral to Fairy." It doesn't tell you specific Pokemon matchups. It only gives you a general reference like I said.
>>342357392
SMT has attacks but doesn't have demon "types".
Besides it's absolutely optional (Gibo Eyes) or in separate screen (Analyze) altogether.
>>342361432
>Wasting something in infinite supply.
You what?
>>342359665
>gym leaders offering to heal your Pokemon and rematch them right away if you lose a battle
What's wrong with that? Sounds like a timesaver more than anything.
I wouldn't give a shit if the game showed me all the data I could already get on demand. Show me the Pokémon's base stats, their stat ranges, learnsets, possible TM's, abilities, I don't give a shit. It won't affect the difficulty at all. At most it'll save me some hassle.
>>342363637
So your point is what, this new method is easier for people who can't read graphs? I'll give you that one. Is graph reading a skill you want to use in a Pokémon game?
>>342363637
Gen 4 gave you exact matchups, though.
>>342358140
> mfw when I'm 20
>>342357139
fpbp
>>342363829
It's easier for everyone because they don't have to reference or think about anything. The game is just literally telling them what to do and not do.
>>342363434
Well, looks like not only smogonites want the game to be a hardcore rpg with muh-competitive and, for the last time, it's a kid game, why are you so triggered by three words on a move? It changes the gameplay?
>People are upset that the game is removing a pointless reason to look up or memorize shit
Why? It's not like looking that shit up was a challenge.
Where were the complaints against this?
>>342359037
>>342358112
>>342358205
>>342357842
>I don't know how to argue with people so I'm going to call what they say bait
>>342364040
>story mode
>competitive
Why are you so retarded.
Yes the game telling you what to do changes the gameplay. It's an RPG, thinking about your moves is all there is to it and this nullifies that aspect. You might as well ask an FPS to aim for you.
>>342363975
>don't have to reference or think about anything.
It's not like that was exactly a difficult thing to do in the first place. Just kind of a waste of time.
>>342357091
>It doesn't show up the first time you encounter a Pokemon, so you can't see the type matchups until the Pokemon is in the dex
>Most """""adult""""" (read: manchild) Pokemon fans know the type chart like the back of their hand as it is so this doesn't affect their playthrough
>The modern child is a retard, and will simply look up any part of the game that they don't understand on their Apple MemePad™, so Nintendo might as well just put this shit in anyway
>FireRed and LeafGreen already had type charts built in for you to look at
>This has been a standard feature in dozens of RPG's since the early 90s
Take your pick you fucking retards. Sun and Moon will probably be casualized and neutered in a million different ways but this is just a Quality Of Life feature, the only people who are offended by this are mega /vp/ autists because they got some kind of sense of pride out of learning every single matchup and dual-type interaction and now the game does it for them so they have one less thing to be autistic about
It's a good design choice. Relevant information should be available to take decisions.
Now justify why you are being a faggot.
>>342364117
>type effectiveness is the only thing that matters
>>342363975
It seems you and I have a very different idea of meaningful difficulty.
Yes, it is "easier", in the sense that it's less effort. I could also make the game "harder" by having you press L and R at the same time every second or the game would delete your save file. But this is not a legitimate form of difficulty, and no sane person would suggest the game would be better by adding such a feature.
If you find legitimate difficulty in the concept of remembering fairly arbitrary matchups, then yes, the game will be easier for you now. Might I suggest you play a game of Memory? That's a game that, by your standards, is very challenging.
>>342364117
>Yes the game telling you what to do changes the gameplay.
It doesn't for Pokemon because there's no difference if you don't follow it. You spam the strongest move and own everything.
>>342364117
There was no challenge in that aspect before. It's just telling you what attacks are considered super effective. It's not going to literally guide you through whole fights. Just telling you what you either already know, or would have to look up.
>>342364248
There's this weird thing in the pokemon fanbase where they equate tedium with difficulty.
It's odd.
>>342364117
Is retarded your only word?
>go to play COD instead xD
It changes nothing you massive dumbass, if you already know that water it's super effective against fire its the same that you have it on screen or not.
Retard
>>342357091
>game with completely obvious type chart leaves comments on the lower/pokedex screen with info about previously encountered pokemon that you are supposed to store in your pokedex
>implying this changes anything besides makes the pokedex do what it does
>implying this changes how the game plays at all
>implying this 'lowers the challenge'
It's literally nothing other than the Pokedex now being something other than a plot device.
>>342364117
>thinking about your moves is all there is to it
Even assuming that's true, there's no reason to assume picking the super effective move will be the best option.
>>342359665
This is the truth we can't just ignore.
The game is for kids.
It's always been an rpg for kids.
You can beat the game just by overleveling your starter if you are a child the first way through.
It's a game for children.
