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NX to be as powerful as the PSNEO .
Thoughts ?
Do they have bribe money ?
No?
Into the trash.
>>342344657
So the NX AND Neo will both be underpowered shitboxes compared to Scorpio.
Intriguing.
>>342344819
Thst battle for 2nd place though.
Nintendo is going to make all Japs make Pokemon games
>>342344819
I really wouldn't mind xbox being no 1again. Anyone but sony really is best for the industry.
>>342345082
>Pokemon Special game series by Cyber Connect 2
I would dig it
>>342345160
I think Nintendo is far more harmful to the industry.
Sony may have a boner for moviegames, (and they're only using their own first party titles), but they have a off-hands approach to developers and third parties as it should be: "just ensure that your game runs on our hardware" and that's it.
Meanwhile Nintendo is just a bully; neglecting their own intellectual properties just for the sake of it, forcing censorship, working on special snowflake unnecessarily difficult to code hardware instead of adopting the standard architecture used by the others, etcetera.
Anyone but Nintendo really is best for the industry.
>>342345741
Nintendo didn't start paid online
Nintendo didn't abandon their 3D platformer IPs or make Samus a downer
Nintendo didn't force people to pay for DLC when they didn't have to
Nintendo didn't reveal a console that rejects used games
Microsoft is way worse, you stupid memer
>>342344657
>Source?
None
>Nintendo making a decent console
Unlikely
>Reggie "It's not about Teraflops its about games"
Confirmed NX trash
>Game Pad was a mistake. People shouldn't look away from TV
No backwards compatibility.
>>342346029
I never understood the reaction to the specs thing
The context makes the reaction seem even more overblown
>>342345741
>neglecting their own intellectual properties just for the sake of it
Yeah no, their IPs make appearances when they can not when people scream and whine for example Kid Icarus Uprising.
>forcing censorship
Literally only NoA and everyone hates them for it.
> working on special snowflake unnecessarily difficult to code hardware
Except we know that it's not difficult to develop for their systems, I'd dig up the Kamiya quote but I'm too lazy.
Meanwhile Sony has literally killed several smaller developers because of how awkward the PS2 and 3 were to develop for.
Not to mention Sony and Microsoft had both introduced DLC, Paid online, outright disrespect their original consumers and make false promises.
>>342345950
>Nintendo didn't start paid online
Fair
>Nintendo didn't abandon their 3D platformer IPs or make Samus a downer
Yup; they only made Samus a fanservice character for Smash and an unlockable skin for Federation Force.
>Nintendo didn't force people to pay for DLC when they didn't have to
Amiibos
>Nintendo didn't reveal a console that rejects used games
Fair.
>>342346241
>Sony has literally killed several smaller developers because of how awkward the PS2 and 3 were to develop for
Do you have a source on that?
>>342346297
>they only made Samus a fanservice character for Smash and an unlockable skin for Federation Force.
How do they affect Samus' character at all?
>Amiibos
>implying people are being forced into it
That said, it's still better than DLC because it's not a digital format, when the servers eventually go down Amiibo will still be usable.
>>342346241
If the PS2 was so awkward to develop for, then why the thing's library was full of shovelware?
>>342346520
Because it was the most popular system maybe?
People expected it to pay off, it didn't.
>>342344705
>Do they have bribe money ?
More than you could ever imagine.
They fattened the coffers with the wii, and the 3ds has been doing gangbusters.
>>342346436
http://www.anandtech.com/show/853/13
>This is where the majority of the learning curve for developers came from when dealing with the PS2, especially considering that the PS2 shipped to developers without any C libraries. Writing assembly to control the interaction between these two units and the rest of the CPU is not an easy task to say the least and led to many frustrated PS2 developers.
>>342345950
>Nintendo didn't start paid online
Nintendo online a shit
>Nintendo didn't abandon their 3D platformer IPs or make Samus a downer
They forgot samus existed outside of smash
>Nintendo didn't force people to pay for DLC when they didn't have to
No games to produce DLC for
Nintendo didn't reveal a console that rejects used games
That feature was never implemented
>>342345741
>I think Nintendo is far more harmful to the industry.
How? How does what Nintendo does to their fans hurt the industry as a whole? You're not making any sense.
>>342346826
>Nintendo online a shit
And yet it doesn't go down as much as the other two.
>They forgot samus existed outside of smash
Come back when you experienced a total gen without Metroid. This is still nothing compared to the gap between the Super and Prime.
>No games to produce DLC for
They had several games at the time they could have potentially had DLC at the time the thing is that they didn't have a reason to at the time. Even nowadays their games rarely have DLC and the ones that do aren't particularly meaningful to the game or were developed after the full game was finished and released rather than being cut content that was removed.
>Nintendo didn't reveal a console that rejects used games
>That feature was never implemented
That's the point.
I believe Reggie more
>>342344819
At least you have reasons to buy the NX/NEO. Buying any Bone is wasting your money. You might as well give in W10 and upgrade your GPU.
>>342347320
Reggie didn't say anything about the NX.
>>342346241
>everyone hates them for it.
Are you fucking delusional? Even here all of the nintendrones defend them and tell people to just get over it. They consider censorship an "invalid argument" or some nonsense
>>342347475
You should have seen the shitstorms on /v/
Or are you hiding in your cherry picking bubble?
>>342345950
Sonyggers don't care. They have Unmemed 4 and Bloodmeme.
>>342347475
>Even here all of the nintendrones defend them and tell people to just get over it
You have been on /v/ right?
If it's censorship that affects the actual content and original intent/implication people begin to care, if it's literally just visual no one gives a shit for good reason.
That goes for more than just Nintendo too and extends to Sony and Microsoft too.
>>342347471
He said specifically in comparison to PSNEO and Scorpio, "we're not about specs".
>>342345950
Name on 3D platformer on Wii u
Spoiler alert 3D world is 2.5D but surely there's another you could name?
All it really needs is to compete with the original Xbox One and PS4. The PS4 Neo will be like the New 3DS, barely an upgrade. The Scorpio will have zero exclusive games, the only reason it exists is to top the PS4.
No games will absolutely require the power boost, otherwise they'd alienate all the current consumers (hardcore Neogaffers aside) that own the original consoles.
If NX is as powerful as PS4, or even the Xbox One, and has a cheap price point, that's all it needs to get multiplats.
>>342344657
What did he mean by this?
>>342347534
Lots of people on /v/ were telling people to get over it when NoA cut the petting game from Fates
>>342347660
>3D world is 2.5D
What am I reading here. A platformer with free movement is 2.5D?
>>342347679
He means NX is going to have even worse droughts than Wii U.
>>342347475
Are you kidding? Nobody defends that, not even on the dedicated Nintendo sites.
>>342347751
Having trouble naming another?
>>342347679
It means. it's going to be underpowered shit.
Again.
>>342347660
Explain how 3D World is 2.5D?
Is it because it isn't a collect-a-thon?
>>342347803
The only trouble I'm having here is trying to understand your retardation.
You do know what 2.5D is right?
>>342347761
Why do you people choose to believe part of a statement?
It's just strange
>>342347871
Yep can't name a 3D platformer for Wii u great job
>>342346445
>when the servers eventually go down Amiibo will still be usable.
Amiibos are fucking stupid, but you have to admit that's a good point.
>>342347660
Mario is their only 3D Platformer ip though, everything else was 2nd or 3rd party companies who all stopped
Nintendo's consistently kept Mario at a quality level of play in the 3D games
>>342347919
Dude, if I name one you're going to pull the
>HURR 2.5D
Angle like you did here. I need to get to the bottom of your definitions before I start naming.
>>342347919
Captain's toad treasure tracker ;)
>>342344726
I love how this has no replies
>>342347673
>No games will absolutely require the power boost, otherwise they'd alienate all the current consumers
Stop reading books and forming intelligent decisions. You will be visited soon. Sleep tight.
>>342347919
Mario 3D world is 3D. Just because you have a goal to get to and the camera is fixed doesn't mean it's not. And besides, there's multiple angles to see from, it's not like Sonic 3D blast where it was fully isometric
>>342348019
I tell you what. You give me 1 and I'll explain to your little retard brain
>>342348092
Stop trying to communicate with retards.
>>342347832
It's a shame that people think power is everything. I mean, just look at the games out now.
Releasing broken and taking months to get patched if they ever do, bloated file sizes. It's disgusting.
What did he mean by this?
>>342348132
XDD
>>342347879
what?
>>342348121
You've had one for a while now and it's what caused this shit.
>>342348202
Who knows. Maybe the just means players by the masses. And not just casual fucks.
>>342347617
Which doesn't mean jackshit. What it actually meant is: keep getting excited about Zelda, I'm not gonna reveal anything about the NX yet.
>>342348202
The family market is on their smart-phones
Good thinking, Ninty
>>342348202
What did _who_ mean by this?
>>342348281
It's a 3D puzzle/platformer anon.
>>342348267
haha the one already named is one lol!!
So Nintendo has zero Wii u 3D platformers damn even ps4 has more
>>342348409
>platformer
>no jumping
O
>>342344657
They're all the same Polaris chip on a different box.
There's only one console maker: AMD.
What did he mean by this?
>>342344819
the scorpio is 4x stronger than a launch xbox one.
the neo is 2.2x stronger than a launch ps4
the wii u is said to around the same level of strength of a 360 or ps3 which is about 5x less power than a current xbox one.
so for the nx to be parallel to the neo would mean that the leap in power from the wii u would be more of an investment for nintendo console owners.
additional that level of power would finally open the console up to some third party devs in addition to nintendo's more power first party line up.
the neo becomes more and more disappointing with more information swirling around it.
how could Sony lowball their console this much?
>>342347475
>Litteraly thousands of censorship threads
I don't like it, but I don't give a fuck about titties, so what I am, if I don't like censor, but I don't give a fuck when It don't affect the gameplay ? Probably a faggot, right ?
>>342348478
Who said they had to require jumping?
>>342348573
Nobody knows how strong the PS4.5 is, Sony didn't confirm shit yet though.
>>342348523
What did _who_ mean by this?
>>342348053
Gameblog, a well know french gaming website, as said that the NX will be on par with the NEO according to their "insiders" source. That being said, both, Neo & NX, will be BTFO by the Scorpio anyway. You can say "my console will be powerful" when someone else has revealed the most powerful console ever.
>>342348883
Literally who
>>342348258
People choose to believe the 'not about specs' but conviently disbelieve the 'about the content' part
Anyway the 'not about specs' statement is frankly grossly overreacted too
>>342348416
>this isn't a 3D platformer because it's a 3D platformer!
What.
>>342348973
>conviently disbelieve the 'about the content' part
Kinda hard to believe Reggie when the Wii U gets 1 worthy game every three months.
>>342348973
Reggie said the same fucking thing "about the content" about Wii U and look what happened.
>>342349072
>>342349117
To be fair, Nintendo is giving the thing a lot of support with solid games.
The only thing that makes it look small is because they don't have the third parties to back it up like Sony and Microsoft do.
>>342348883
I'm sitting here with a GTX 970 and I don't give a fuck. Graphics are not perfect but they are no longer the bottleneck they used to be. We don't need a "Scorpio" we need gameplay. We've lost sight of this.
Scorpio is doomed, definitely, and I will bank on it. NX will do fine, not as well as the PS4 and the xbox team are clearly desperate. I'm saying this completely unbiased just based on what I'm hearing. I truly and honestly don't give a fuck if all 3 companies go away or if any one of them succeeds more so than the others. Just gotta pay attention, it's clear.
>sonyggers on NX
HURR HURR UNDERPOWERED INTO THE TRASH !
>Sonyggers on Scorpio
ITS NOT ABOUT GRAPHICS IS ABOUT MOVIES AND EMOTIONS !
>>342349072
>>342349117
If you think that person is intrustworthy in one part of his statement, it is stupid to believe the other part
>>342349279
I knew it wasn't going to be "about the specs" long before reggie made that comment because its fucking nintendo.
>>342349215
>We don't need a "Scorpio" we need gameplay. We've lost sight of this.
Anon, it's never coming back.
Gameplay is dead outside of Nintendo, people only like realistic graphics
>>342348810
c'mon...c'mon.
this is one of those situations where it's up to wild speculation here.
this is more of those all but confirmed situations. devkits have gone out and the console is most likely coming out this year.
launching first may be the only thing neo has coming for it but then again that didn't do much for the wii u.
>>342349215
>NX will do fine
>Ps4 will do even better
>XBONe DOOM NEOGAF SAID SO
sure thing anon. Don't be shocked when casuals eat up the mosr powerful console meme and sony is in last place with Nintendo selling their amiibo toys like hotcakes.
>>342349195
>giving the thing a lot of support with solid games.
Wii U was worth it after 2-3 years but the droughts were unable. At the beginning of 2014 they promised they would have strong support for the first half of the year and the only game we got in that period was MK8 in May. Then they made the same promise in 2015, and the only games we got were Kirby Rainbow Curse (which sucked) in March and Splatoon in May. Not to mention certain other things like Xenoblade X's localization taking way fucking longer than it should have, they basically delayed it 8 months to make it a holiday game because they had nothing else.
>>342347919
3d world
the zelda remasters
xenoblade x
sonic boom
>>342349117
Honestly, even if NX was super powerful, what di you expect him to say? "Yeah fuck families and games we're hopping on the specs train bitches"
>>342349276
This.
>>342349483
>unable.
*unreasonable
>>342349215
>We need gameplay
Well sony sure as fuck isn't the one to deliver that.
>>342349342
This, I'm a old fag, and when I listen to what kiddies want, they want "muh grafix". They don't give a fuck if a game looks fun, it have to look good, very good, and "looking good" means photo realist.
>>342349483
How does that change that Nintendo themselves are giving the machine lots of support for first party developers?
The only reason they're being extended like that is because of the lack of third party support to fill in the gaps.
Scorpio wins by having the shiniest COD/FIFA machine.
It's how sony won this gen and now they hand the crown to xbox.
It's not that hard to understand.
casuals don't give a fuck about Japanese niche games or exclusives.
>>342349638
Yeah I know. What I'm basically saying is there's no reason to buy an NX for a good while. We already know they have to spread their releases out further due to HD development costs. Anyone who gets one at launch is a cancerous retard
>>342349807
or they want to play new nintendo games?
>>342349453
kek
>>342349342
>>342349635
The kids are fucking stupid, we as parents need to teach them to stop being so fucking stupid. Don't buy them video movie games and tell them why they're cunts if they play it. Say it just like that too, I don't give a Donkeys twat if it's an 8 year old... Tough love. Little cunts need to learn.
Actually a fucking 8 year old should be playing on a Super Nintendo. Any parent that buys a child a new console is a cuck and a moron.
My kids are going to hate me come Kindergarten.
>>342349917
It'll be a similar situation to Wii U, where the console's life didn't actually begin until Pikmin 3 nine months after launch
>>342349807
Ah, fair enough.
>>342349917
Then you wait until later for the inevitable selects range at a slashed price.
>>342349517
If the NX was actually on par with what's coming why would he not want to brag about it?
>>342349807
>Anyone who gets one at launch is a cancerous retard
Well yeah, anyone who buys any console at launch is a cancerous retard. It's the most expensive it will ever be while being the least functional and with the smallest library it will ever have.
People pre-order them. You can't even buy this kind of obedience, it took years of marketing to perfect it. I don't even think I could convince someone to do something that idiotic with a car battery clamped to their pussy.
>>342347475
They will defend Nintendo in general but they wont directly defend Nintendo of America. There is a difference
>>342349778
Lol sony won by default because of the bone being shit.
People is not gonna buy the scorpio and rebuild their libraries en masse
>>342350104
Because it would mean denying their current identity, as shit as that may be.
Nintendo's not the type to brag about specs anyway, even if they have them.
>>342350142
>>342349807
Without early adopters there is no install base and without install base there is no third party support.
It's the same catch 22 situation with the Wii U.
>>342350306
God, the fact that you think that's how things should be shows how dire the situation is.
It should always be the games that attract the players not the players that attract the games.
Third parties have this shit in a stranglehold.
Please have a good controller
Please have a good controller
Jesus Christ please have a good controller NX
>>342350247
>Nintendo's not the type to brag about specs anyway, even if they have them.
Wrong, Nintendo's official PR bragged a lot about the Wii U's power and how it would satisfy core gamers. Watch the Wii U E3 reveal again.
>>342350446
If it's anything like the Wii U it'll be god tier.
>>342350306
Not my problem. I don't buy on launch. If that keeps consoles from being a "thing" I'll keep playing PC games.
There are enough games now I'll never be able play that if every single damn software company stopped making games I'd literally never run out of new games to play. So I honestly can't care any less. You're still a dumb cunt if you buy new consoles and you're a fucking waste of material matter if you pre-order them.
I'm getting too old for this shit.
>>342350424
It's not how I think things work. It's how things work. A console does not bounce back from a failed launch with no early adopters.
>>342347761
I believe that NX is being made so they can merge the library of handhelds and home console games together
like take the numbers of exclusives 3DS has and Wii U have and NX would be something like that
>>342347403
Yeah I was at a friends house and we were playing Dark Souls 3, and I was surprised how shitty the framerate was. He is a Microshill so he defended it, but it's worse than the original Demon's Souls on PS3.
>>342348331
they probably are doing that with all the focus on mobile
NX will probably be a tablet of some sort
>>342350584
I'm just explaining to you how the industry works. Don't project your insecurities on me, I didn't say I buy consoles at launch, In just saying somebody has to do it for us to get games.
>>342350626
>A console does not bounce back from a failed launch with no early adopters.
You do realise that this generation is the exception to that rule right?
I mean look at the PS3, barely any early adopters but it bounced back becoming the second best selling of the three systems.
>>342350813
>In just saying somebody has to do it for us to get games.
No one has to buy consoles at launch, on the contrary people need to stop buying them at launch for them to get more games. Even the PS4 has barely any games to play and that had an insanely good launch.
By giving them their sales early they have less incentive to create the games people want because they already have your money. What aren't you getting about this?
>>342350446
nintendo hasn't had a good controller since the snes
>>342351056
>No one has to buy consoles at launch, on the contrary people need to stop buying them at launch for them to get more games.
It worked wonderfully for the Wii U, gee why didn't the other console makers go for the same strategy
>>342348330
he could've also said that they're going to have competitive specs and leave it at that. instead he went on about how hardware doesn't matter again. nx is going to be a smartphone
>>342351216
isn't NX already confirmed to have a smartphone chip?
>>342350813
You've utterly convinced yourself that the way you think is how it has to be. It's not. Not much sense trying to convince you otherwise.
>Don't project your insecurities on me
Literally what? At any point did I seem anything other than somewhat dramatically (flair gets attention, I have more flair and a great smile) upset with the stupidity of the western world?
>>342350878
The problem with the PS3 was its price point, not lack of games. The PS3 bounced back when the cheaper slim version released. Same thing happened to the 3ds with its steep price cut.
>>342351276
yes, I can confirm ,my pet snake works at nintendo
>>342351175
>gee why didn't the other console makers go for the same strategy
Because they have consumers wrapped around their pinky already with the notions of power and other shit, you can't deny that the choices of games are slim and that general creativity of them has gone down by leagues.
Ever since the end of last Gen developers don't even have to try with their games.
>>342350658
Even if they do that, releases will still be spread out due to HD development costs.
>>342351428
I wouldn't trust a snake no matter what position it holds
>>342351340
No really. See >>342351175
Waiting for a console to build a library worked wonders for the Wii U. You act as if we didn't have live examples of what goes on when a console fails its launch.
>>342348573
yeah,but didnt microsoft say its gonna run the same games with the same settings as a normal xbox one,just at 4k?
>>342346108
This
MS came out saying they were making the strongest console ever made and no one could deny it, because it's using the equivalent of a gtx 1070 more or less. Sony would have said something similar along the lines of "we feel gamers will be satisfied with the strength of our next console, but we're not doing something arbitrary like trying to be the strongest" (which is opposite of what they said with ps4)
>>342351683
You literally have this generation as an example whereas the others go against your point.
It's clear that things have changed for the worst yet you don't want to accept it for some reason.
> You act as if we didn't have live examples of what goes on when a console fails its launch.
You act as if we don't have examples of consoles failing at launch but bouncing back.
>>342351539
You seem so confused about what we're talking about here. I'm not arguing about third party quality. In taking about the gaming business and how it works. Save your moral judgement for another time, I'm not saying getting a console at launch is dumb nor smart.
>>342348573
>the scorpio is 4x stronger than a launch xbox one.
>>342348573
>the neo is 2.2x stronger than a launch ps4
the shit teenagers come up with
>>342351886
Anon, the two have everything to do with each other.
People used to buy consoles because of the games on it and if it didn't have games it would flop hard.
Because people are buying consoles as statements rather than gaming machines the need for games of quality are diminishing.
What aren't you getting here?
>>342348523
>>342348573
whats the point of nintendo existing as a console maker anymore?
>People only want the games
>Their hardware has been pure shit since the wii over 10 years ago
>???
i doubt they will ever sell as much as the wii did ever again
>>342351683
This will be my last attempt to show you how you're retarded and unless you make an excellent case I'm not going to respond to your next post.
Wii U did poorly because the other consoles sold well early. Yes, I agree. Makes perfect sense. Developers saw obvious gains in the early sales and went for the safer systems.
My proposition is no in anyway saying this isn't the case. I'm saying that by buying the consoles early the developer will have a tougher choice but they're not going to just plum decide to stop developing games. There will still be just as many games released and the results will still probably skew towards one system. You buying early in no way impacted this and really just kind of fucked yourself. As stated before and quite obvious if you're not retarded. The system is almost fucking useless at launch, there is a small handful of games and it's literally the most expensive it (and its library) will ever be (with VERY few exceptions, some games sky rocket 20 years later).
So, no, you don't NEED to buy consoles at launch, or pre-order. In fact you fucking shouldn't. No one should. Ever.
>>342351860
>You act as if we don't have examples of consoles failing at launch but bouncing back.
There is one example of this happening, two if you consider the 3ds as well (losing one third of the DS install base and two thirds of its third party support doesn't sound like bounce a bounce to me).
Meanwhile in every gen sans the Wii U we have seen what's happening to Nintendo home consoles, their launch and their install base
>>342349276
>mfw sitting here on one of my many pc's lurking and laughing at these retards squabble
ill get get a ps5 with all the ps4 games remastered in 4k checkmate psfags
>>342351154
gamecube is god tier and wii u/wii u pro are great as well
>>342352248
Okay it's clear that you have no idea what you're talking about here and refuse to do any sort of fact checking.
>Meanwhile in every gen sans the Wii U we have seen what's happening to Nintendo home consoles, their launch and their install base
Question what do you think has been happening anon?
>>342352216
>Wii U did poorly because the other consoles sold well early. Yes, I agree. Makes perfect sense. Developers saw obvious gains in the early sales and went for the safer systems.
I don't know why you're still trying to argue if you agree with me and you're just going solipsistic about it.
>>342344657
>NX to be as powerful as the PSNEO .
No it will be about as slow as a Wii U.
>>342344819
How does Microsofts dick taste?
>>342348483
>They're all the same Polaris chip
This is why other boards call you guys retarded.
>>342352392
>Question what do you think has been happening anon?
Irrelevant to what's being discussed. According to the people I'm arguing against we should have seen a system bounce back once it had a proper library. Yet it didn't happen to any Nintendo home console ever.
>>342352631
>Irrelevant to what's being discussed.
Then why bring it up?
>Yet it didn't happen to any Nintendo home console ever.
Except for the GC, Wii (especially with that absurd E3 performance), hell even the Wii U has bounced back into profitable numbers.
>>342347673
>If NX is as powerful as PS4, or even the Xbox One
You won't have such luxury I'm afraid.
The Xbox One is far away from the Wii U and NX in terms of specs.
>>342352727
>Then why bring it up?
To make it clear that you guys are arguing for wishful thinking since it never happened.
>Except for the GC, Wii (especially with that absurd E3 performance), hell even the Wii U has bounced back into profitable numbers.
The Wii didn't bounce back, it was successful from the get go. Kind hard to hold a conversation if you guys are going to get something basic so wrong.
As for the GC "bouncing" back, I don't even know where to start.
>>342352917
>I know cuz my dad works at Nintendo
>>342352216
Wii U had a year headstart tho
>>342352987
Nah, just the Semiaccurate article, and Regie looking at the Xbox One in jealousy was good enough.
>>342352983
>To make it clear that you guys are arguing for wishful thinking since it never happened.
Dude, this shit happened only a single generation ago.
>The Wii didn't bounce back, it was successful from the get go. Kind hard to hold a conversation if you guys are going to get something basic so wrong.
>As for the GC "bouncing" back, I don't even know where to start.
See this is where the fact checking comes in anon.
>>342353037
Fair point, but I honestly don't think most people even knew it existed or were confused on what it was exactly. Probably quite a sour taste in developers minds with the shovelware prone system that was the Wii. None of this is going to really push numbers.
I think NX has a shot, so long as they don't name it really badly and is marketed to western audiences appropriately. I will likely purchase it eventually but I've still never gotten around to buying a Wii U.
>>342353062
>Semiaccurate article
Pfft.
>>342353230
>Dude, this shit happened only a single generation ago.
The PS3 bounced back because of its price point, not library. What you guys are arguing for literally never happened. I'm sorry dude. The idea that a console can recover from a failed launch as soon as it gets a proper library has never happened.
>>342344657
>CDPR (you know, from the Witcher games) have gone on record to state the NX is 10 times weaker than project scorpio
>scorpio will be around the same power as PS4k
>somehow NX is as powerful as PS4k
nice try, you lying son of a bitch.
>>342344657
ps neo is going to be another underpowered piece of shit and NX will be even slightly weaker?
wew
lad
Is it Scorpio domination time?
>>342353239
Not the other guy but.
>Probably quite a sour taste in developers minds with the shovelware prone system that was the Wii
This is actually the better explanation. The casuals got into the Wii, and weren't impressed.
When you're at the point where you're not even interested in researching whether the gaming system has had a sequel to it by now, then you never gave a flying fuck about the system in the first place.
The thing about people not knowing what the Wii U was is just excuses and rationalisation the fanboys use to explain why their system don't sell well. It's because they rather have it be this reason than the fact that people stopped giving a fuck about the Wii.
>>342353560
>NX will be even slightly weaker?
No, the NX won't even reach the original Xbox One to its socks.
>>342353415
>What you guys are arguing for literally never happened.
Again, fact checking.
Also the games, or rather lack of them, was a very important factor when it came to the PS3 or did you forget all of the "NO GAMES" jokes people were making?
Even after the drastic slashes it still didn't sell until it got games.
>The idea that a console can recover from a failed launch as soon as it gets a proper library has never happened.
Except we have several examples in the past and in the present, the Wii U is literally an example of this because it's bounced back into profitable regions for Nintendo.
Seriously what aren't you getting here?
>>342345741
>forcing censorship
Watch out guys, we have a goober over here
>>342344657
Reggie basically confirmed that it would be another underpowered console compared to sony and microsoft
>>342344819
and are underpowered compared to gtx1080ti
>>342353568
>This is actually the better explanation. The casuals got into the Wii, and weren't impressed.
To be fair, even big third parties produced shovelware trite on the Wii to take advantage of it's popularity so you can't blame Nintendo for all of it.
I mean, just look at all of the crap that these big names put on it instead of focusing on something that was a little more ambitious.
https://pietriots.com/2010/12/17/the-3rd-party-wall-of-shame/
The reason people stopped giving a fuck is because they began flooding it with these shovelware games.
>>342350446
Important to note, Breath of the Wild has apparently zero Gamepad functionality, which is probably the biggest hint about what kind of controller the NX will have.
>>342348202
>Addressing family market
>>342353230
The Wii shortages are a well documented issue. Why are you telling him to fact check when you're the one with the historic revisionism here?
>>342346806
>>342346436
I remember an interview on electronic gaming monthly around 05 where some developers were saying sony did that to avoid bad games to flood the console on its first year, and how it worked to make the ps2's library to look better in comparison to that of the DC
>>342344705
The fuck does Gus have anything to do with it tho
>>342353725
stop being so fucking desperate
Jesus fucking christ what the hell has happened to this place.
I have never seen so much retardation on both sides of the argument.
You retards are worse than Youtube comments
>>342347679
You see I'd agree with that statement if it were actually true in any way.
But I have a feeling it's not and it'll be technologically weaker AND have no games.
>>342353568
>The thing about people not knowing what the Wii U was is just excuses and rationalisation the fanboys use to explain why their system don't sell well. It's because they rather have it be this reason than the fact that people stopped giving a fuck about the Wii.
Yep, I agree with that.
>>342353704
I'm talking about bouncing back from selling like shit you fucking donut. Nintendo's profitability comes from software which I'm not discussing here.
How can you be so dense
>>342350716
>but it's worse than the original Demon's Souls on PS3.
pre patch or after patch? because pre patch DeS was fucking awful, with 10FPS at boss fights
>>342354287
>Consoles don't bounce back unless they sell well!
Are you legitimately retarded or do you have no idea what bouncing back means?
>>342354671
This whole conversation started with the idea that consoles can sell well after a failed launch with no early adopters so I'm not sure what you're even trying to do here. Maybe read the reply chain?
>>342353246
Will you actually be shocked if you found out the NX was 5-7 times weaker than the original Xbox One?
>>342345160
Microsoft being #1 is definitely not best for the industry, although I do think their approach to developers is good. (although Sony has basically copied them in this regard with the PS4)
The Xbox One is what happens when Microsoft thinks they're leading the industry.
>>342348174
This.
>>342354937
I would be shocked if the Xbox One was 5-7x more powerful than the NX as the Xbox One isn't really even 5x more powerful than the 360 (at least in terms of pixel fillrate)
>>342345741
SHUT UP!!!!!!
>>342355506
You're looking too much into theoretical numbers.
It's incomplete theory because you disregard a utilisation penalty in the Xbox 360 and Wii U 's GPU architecture.
According to AMD, a GPU from that era would almost always have 40% of its pipeline in idle.
At the very best you could optimise your software so you only reached 30% idle.
AMD's current gen architecture has none of that bullshit.
>>342348883
>>342348964
>>342349215
>>342348053
>>342344726
>according to their "insiders" source
Remember when inside sources claimed the 3DS was as powerful as the 360?
>>342349215
Saved for the future NX archive
How come people believe the ps4k and scorpio hardware power rumors but not the nx using smartphone chip rumor?
>>342355963
It sounds like something Nintendo would do.
When Microsoft and Sony was investing in modern 28 nm microchips, Nintendo was still jewing around with 45nm CPU.
Literally using a 2001 CPU with 2006 manufacturing technology.
>>342355963
I still don't understand why people believe the NX will be powerful when Reggie literally said it won't be as strong as the ps4 and xbone, let alone neo and scorpio
>>342355739
Fair point, asynchronous shading definitely should allow the PS4 and Xbox One to punch above their weight in terms of specs when compared to older hardware.
Still doesn't change the fact that the Xbox One's pixel fillrate is too low, which is why it rarely runs games at 1080p.
>>342356190
>Reggie literally said it won't be as strong as the ps4 and xbone
he didn't tho
>>342356343
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xhl5sk9i6Mk
what the shit is this then?
>>342356419
>Reggie literally said it won't be as strong as the ps4 and xbone
Again, he didn't
>>342351654
Then trust me. I fucked my wife's boyfriends daughter, and she cleans the nintendo offices.
>>342355764
>that image
>>342344819
This whole console gen has been one big pissing contest. With the consumers at the receiving end
>>342356529
Q: will it be as strong as the competition
A: 'for us, it's not about specs'
gg fag anon, keep being deluded
>>342356612
>Reggie literally said it won't be as strong as the ps4 and xbone
So yeah, he didn't. gg indeed anon, we should do this again sometime.
>>342355871
Looking forward to it
>>342356768
I'm curious anon
do you think the NX will be more powerful than the current xbone and ps4
do you think the NX will be more powerful than the Neo and the Scorpio?
>>342356213
Read this test.
http://ht4u.net/reviews/2012/amd_radeon_hd_7700_test/index4.php
It shows the Architecture the PS4 and Xbox One use wipe the floor with the architecture the Wii U uses.
The Wii U architectire gets beat the shit out of it, even at equivalent pixel fillrate.
>>342355764
Here's a smash 3ds "leak"
http://pastebin.com/1uxNF0TB
>>342344657
I just wonder what the gimmick's going to be.
>>342349215
100% agree with you, the fault of the wii u wasn't the graphics, it had no killer app, simple as that
>>342356926
Probably not. That doesn't change the fact that you are LITERALLY wrong.
>>342357017
'you can carry it outside the house'
>>342357017
it plays GOOD Nintendo first-party games
>>342357017
Waggle monitor screen.
That feel when you realise just how trashy the Wii U actually is compared to the competition.
It sucks even more ass than its theoretical specs would suggest.
I think it's good most Nintendo fans don't understand these number, or they would probably commit sudoku.
I mean it fucking should be, but leave it up to nintendo to fuck the easy things up.
>>342358028
That is pretty telling but it was obvious the Wii U was shit when it never really surpassed late-gen PS3 and 360 games on a technical level.
>>342358087
>it never really surpassed late-gen PS3 and 360 games on a technical level.
pretty much this, games like arkham city and watchdogs looked better on the ps3 and 360
>>342358185
and those aren't even the most impressive PS3 and 360 games.
GTA V is more complex than any Wii U game.
>>342357017
Good games? Just like it's always been
>>342358639
>Just like it used to be.
Fixed.
>>342359270
>Breath of the Wild will signal the dawn of a new golden age in vidya
I can't wait bros
>>342358087
>>342358185
It's one of those things you always knew the ship was sinking, but you never realised how close to the ocean floor you had already gotten.
pls
>>342357043
Occam's razor anon. Reggie didn't confirm that the NX is going for worse specs because he isn't going to say anything negative about it loud and clear. But if the NX did in fact have competitive specs why would he be roundabout?
The thing about understanding PR talk is in what's NOT being said.
>>342359937
>>342356926
>>342356612
>>342356419
>>342356190
hahahaha you are SO FUNNY! come over to my house anon! I want your dick, funny man. I want to suck it soooo badly!!!! I want to lick your hairy asshole! anything for you, you little charming comedian!
>>342359937
>Reggie said this
>no he didn't
>yes he did
>no he didn't
>w-what's important is what he didn't say so I'm still right
Anon, come on now.
>>342360251
Wow....you actually typed that out.
Are you coming out of the closet anon?
>>342360527
It was heavily implied by the fact that he deflected the question. Do you have no conversational skills?
>>342344819
It'll be gen 6 all over again then
>>342360614
NX won't be stronger than Scorpio or Neo, there's nothing to exactly boast about here.
>>342360614
no anon I LITERALLY don't.
I LITERALLY can't speak or understand what other people say. LITERALLY.
>>342360754
Not that Anon, but I hope you know the main competitor to NX will be the old PS4 and Xbox One.
NX won't be stronger than neither of those either.
>>342356562
I cant trust someone whos been cuck'd
>>342360898
I mean, you don't sound very articulate. What's with the repeated "LITERALLY" .
>>342361197
Gee I don't know, maybe I'm trying to point out something.
>Reggie literally said it won't be as strong as the ps4 and xbone
>>342361326
Oh well, I wasn't the guy who said "literally". A small misunderstanding.
>>342347679
>content
Then where are my games, reggie?
>>342360579
>sage in all fields
>>342360754
That's the whole point, Reggie would be boasting about the NX power if it had competitive specs. Any other reply is an admission that it isn't.
He isn't going to LITERALLY admit that the NX is weaker than the competition. PR doesn't work like that.
>>342344819
Neo and NX will have exclusives, the Scorpio will not. You're better off building a PC with windows 10 than buying a Scorpio. There will be games on PC that won't be on Xbox, there won't be games on Xbox that won't be on a PC or Neo.
>>342361621
>Nintendo hasn't said a peep about NX since it was namedropped
>expecting Reggie to boast about something no one knows about at e3
>>342351654
Your mom trusts all snakes in all positions though
>>342344657
How exactly does nintendo know that it'll have similar specs to the neo?
Sony hasn't released what the specs are.
NX is literally about to compete with two platforms that already have 65 Million install base combined.
It's like throwing a little kat into a cage with two full grown Siberian tigers.
>>342362606
I think they're going to go for a lower end market and start building their own ecosystem. If the rumors about it being two systems that play the same games, then all those teams that made only handheld games, and all those teams that only made console games, are suddenly now making games for one system.
If Nintendo actually threw everything behind one system with two form factors, they could potentially be their own game industry.
With blackjack and hookers.
That would also mean that instead of making, say, a Smash for 3DS and a Smash for Wii U, one team could work on smash while the other team works on something completely different.
>>342363339
This is exactly what I'm hoping for.
>>342363339
Lower end as in casuals used to play mobile games for free? Or as in third world markets without money to buy imports? Is that really going to work for Nintendo either way?
>>342363687
I think it would be a good path for them to take. It would fix a lot of their problems (draughts, teams will be able to take on a greater diversity of IPs, etc).
If I were them I'd also pay to have some exclusive 3rd party games. Shit like Bayonetta 2, Undertale, etc.
>>342345741
>Meanwhile Nintendo is just a bully;
They're sitting at a distant third place. You can't bully anyone from there.
>>342344657
>e3
>microsoft shows xbox: $500
>sony instantly drops the price to $400
>years later
>nintendo says they will make a new console, right after the xboone and ps4
>sony panics, creates the PSNEO
>microsoft comes up, shows the scorpio before sony does anything
>sony panics again, doesnt show anything about neo
>probably waiting for the NX, so they can undercut everyone, because thats what your company consists off, copying everyone with cheaper bootlegs.
>>342363726
Low end as in cheaper than PS4 or One. Also would have Pokemon, Smash, Fire Emblem, Monster Hunter, etc, on one system.
Honestly a lot of PS4 and One users would probably buy it due to the sheer number of games from Nintendo alone.
Basically their console and handheld user base would be fused together, as would their libraries.
>>342350104
Nintendo hasnt said shit about the NX because they want to surprise its public.
I dont remember the exact words but someone from nintendo said earlier this year (something among these lines) "we are doing something new and don't want the competitors to acknowledge what we are doing, its revolutionary".
It might be a tablet with a docking station for all I know...
But everytime they have spoken (or Ubisoft) it has always been them playing dumb or just really open to interpretation, "for us its not about the specs" ; "NX will recapture Wii players"
This can say that:
>they will put more effort on making good games rather than good looking or that they have shit hardware
>They want to recapture its audience that has been disappointed with the wii u or that they will continue doing the family and kids thing
TL;DR
We don't fucking know shit
>>342364000
>microsoft shows xbox: $500
>sony instantly drops the price to $400
The PS4 processor was always smaller than the Xbox processor. It was always meant to be cheaper.
That's the strength of its architecture, a smaller chip punching above its weight class.
Your speculation is wrong.
>>342364336
>sony admits to be selling at a loss
>speculating.
>consoles are only made of processors
>>342364000
>Being this mad about Nintendo being irrelevant.
Sony doesn't need to do anything, they literally own the console market ever since they entered in it. Gens start and end when Sony wants.
>>342344657
Dead on arrival.
>>342364507
>Can't refute it? Just call him mad
Its a well known fact that bootlegs sell, if they didn't, china wouldn't keep making them.
>>342364474
Electronic components aren't as expensive as a modern microchip using latest technology.
But even then, the Xbox One's motherboard was littered with a ton more elentric components than the PS4.
Take a look at this, you will realise how barren the PS4 motherboard actually is.
Then look up the Xbox One motherboard.
>>342364764
It doesn't matter how many motherboards you show me. Ps4 was selling a loss.
>tfw you're going to buy the NX and keep supporting Nintendo because you think they produce the best first-party output
It's a good, wholesome feeling.
I still haven't bought a PS4 yet because I don't buy a console till there's a minimum of 5 games I want to play on it. Last Guardian might push me though.
