Is a GTX 1070 for 1080p/60hz gaming considered overkill?
Upgrading from an R9 390
>>342244050
no is retardet just go for 1080 or wait for the 1080ti and upgrade to 4k
>>342244050
Probably. Just get a new monitor or wait for the 480/490. The 480 supposedly gets near the 1070 if you overclock it
there is no "overkill"
just buy whatever you can afford
No, get a 144hz monitor and play with that.
>>342246449
Sure you can get it if you can afford it but overkill is the same as wasted in these cases.
>>342244050
The rx 480 is supposed to be equal to a 390 so you wouldn't be getting much of an upgrade to go to a 480.
I would still wait until the middle of next month so that prices can stabilize, because the 480 is going to fuck the entire market in the ass if can do what amd claims
>>342244050
390 is still amazing for 1080/60, baka
For most people, yes, it is very overkill. Unless you have the right monitor, there is very little reason to get a top end card.
>AMD to Nvidia
>Upgrade
>>342244050
yes
if you have a 9xx gen or 3xx gen card, don't upgrade
if older, get a 1070
until consoles have 1080s in them, you will not need one
I'd imagine youd get 60fps with a 1070. My 970 maxes out most games at 1080 with occasional frame drops to the 40s.
>>342244050
>"overkill"
>>342244050
>better than 980
>less expensive
I don't get it
>>342244050
>Let me upgrade from a 390 to a 1080 for a 13% increase
you won't even feel the difference at all, but sure waste your extra income how you see fit, hopefully you have a nice house before for when you are old so your kids don't send you to a retirement house
I have a GTX 780. Do I upgrade to 1070 or wait?
if you have a shit card, get a 1070.
if you have a 390, i would keep waiting.
i already know 980/980ti owners are waiting for the next ti release.
>>342247438
If you feel like it, baka.
I am still running the GTX 560Ti, having no issues running games at 1080p
>>342247280
1070 = mid-high tier card priced accordingly
980 = high tier card priced accordingly
it has better performance because their performance group is close and the 10xx series is supposed to be an improvement on the 9xx
or if you mean why the 980 hasn't dropped in price its because people are still stupid enough to buy one at the moment and nvidia knows
>>342244050
It's not overkill. You can almost always push more out of a game. Downsampling, config tweaks, mods, AA out the wazoo. You can utilize a 1080 pretty easily on a 1080p60fps setup.
System requirements have nowhere to go but up so the card is good for the future. When the Xbox Scorpio comes out there might be a decent leap in fidelity and requirements from PC games.
>>342247714
>or if you mean why the 980 hasn't dropped in price its because people are still stupid enough to buy one at the moment and nvidia knows
This is what I meant
>>342247804
after a point you stop noticing AA and its just better to get a better resolution to actually make the image more clear
downsampling fucks with the UI of most games too or has odd quirks
I'm in the same boat.
Should I just buy a 970? Or save for a 1070?
Poorfag if it wasn't obvious.
>>342245864
>1080ti
>not just waiting for the 1180
>>342247031
You bet your sorry apologist ass it is.
>1070
>1080p/144hz monitor
For me I want to get away from 1080p but for people satisfied with that resolution that's a fantastic combo. You'll reach close to 144fps in a lot of games and even if you don't you'll be getting way over 60fps which is a marked improvement...and it's not overly expensive, either.
Can anyone tell me which 1080 is best for your buck. There are so many different versions at different prices and different noise levels etc. I just one that's relatively quiet and maybe on the cheaper side. Don't really care about 2-5% increase, I can always overclock myself if it comes to that.
What manufacturer do you recommend for the 1080?
I currently have a 1080 with 1080p60Hz (next buy is 1440p 144/165Hz G-sync) and yes, it's super fuckin overkill. But it's futureproofing if you're sticking with 1080p for a while, why not.
>>342247917
1070 will last longer, supports DX12 (not that it matters for long w/ Vulkan coming), is faster than 980, and even cheaper than 900-series' cards at best.
>>342247930
>1180
>not just waiting for the 1270
>>342247930
>1180
>not just waiting for the 1280
>pleb
>>342248171
>1270
>not just waiting for the 1360
>>342247930
I'll never wait for a GPU upgrade for as long as I waited for Pascal (XD BRO IT'S JUST OVER DA HORIZON GONNA BE A GAME CHANGER GONNA BE 1000% BETTER!!). Turned out to be a huge disappointment (oh wow, 20% increase in performance over the current top cards, WOW!) and GPU manufacturer's are pathetic at distribution so you have to wait well over a month after launch to get a card. Waitfags can all fucking kill themselves as far as I'm concerned, they always base shit off of the fact that they themselves just upgraded a year or two ago and have no real need to upgrade so soon.
>>342248131
Would it even be worth it though? Would my CPU bottleneck it?
>>342248230
>not waiting for the 9999
>>342248075
Get the cheapest non-reference card you can find from EVGA, MSI, Gigabyte or ASUS. Check a few reviews about it before you buy but in most cases they're pretty much the same with some minor differences here or there. With previous cards some versions had coil whine issues but it seems like the 1080 doesn't have a lot of problems with coil whine.
>>342248075
Don't most people tend to go with whichever has the best cooling?
Suprised no one posted :
>youll need a 1080 if you want 1080p.
Vg
>>342248264
>1360
>not just waiting for the 1450
1070 certainly feels like overkill, unless you want 144hz on ultra on every single game with ENBs and shit.
when do the non reference rx 480s come out
>>342248284
>135-140% the performance of 980 Ti for 75% the power draw
What kind of performance increases were you waiting for, exactly?
>>342244050
Bought a 970 6 months ago. Going to buy a 1070 soon. Ill just give my 970 to my brother.
>>342248301
Dude, that's 2500K. It can easily overclock up to 4.4 GHz with a stock cooler, and up to 4.8 or even more if you can manage the heat.
>>342248675
>1070 certainly feels like overkill
Unless you want modern "triple-A" games, where they'll be horribly un-optimized because the publisher assumes you'll just throw money at new hardware to play their shit and will allocate jack shit in regards to PC support staff as a result
It was worth it
>>342249550
Is your CPU OC'd?
>1080p
>upgrading from a 390
my 390 plays everything at high settings or better at 2560x1440. Why would you need more for 1080p?
>>342249550
Shiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii
>>342249705
yeah, 4.6ghz
yes, you are best getting a 144hz monitor if you plan on 1080p gaming with a 1070
>mfw upgrading from a GTX 260 that hasn't worked in two years and a laptop with a Quadro 1000m
Partner card benchmarks can't come out fast enough.
>>342244050
I have a HD 7990 and I have no idea if a 1080 or 1070 or a new Polaris would be worth it.
The 1070 is overkill for 1080p with the current games and when game that come out that will actually use your GPU there will be better ones out for cheaper...I just ran DOOM demo at 1440p 60fps on my 390 why would yo need a 1070 and dont say future proofing cause that cost you most in the longterm when you arent using it.
>>342250886
I don't remember seeing benchmarks for Doom, but the 1070 is hitting 70-80 FPS 1440p for a lot of current games maxed out. It's not a crazy amount of overkill.
It's the 1080 that's in kind of a weird place where it's crazy overkill for 1440p, but still only gets 40-50 fps at 4k for a lot of games. I guess it's good for higher refresh rate monitors.
>>342244050
Go for it
>>342250886
its not overkill when it wont be able to max out the fresh batch of AAA games next year
face it its a big business and bloating releases so you have to buy new shit is part of it, there's no reason why a fucking 660 shouldn't be able to max out shit like fallout 4 yet it would be barely playable on one
>>342244050
for 1080p yeah its overkill BUT if you even think about VR on pc you will need at least a 1080.. maybe even wait for the 1080ti.
>>342252980
>there's no reason why a fucking 660 shouldn't be able to max out shit like fallout 4
Surely you can't be serious
>>342249550
>spending all that money on hardware
>only one monitor
how are people this fucking stupid
>>342245864
>>342247930
>>342248171
>>342248264
That's how Nvidia works. You buy and AMD and wait for the new Nvidia card but by the time you wait for the price drop a better AMD card comes out. So you buy AMD again and say "wait for the xxxx Nvidia card".
The cycle then continues forever.
>>342252980
are there any new game engines coming out that games will use to merit cause last time I check they came out already and run really damn good on current mid range hardware for 1080p/1440p.
>>342253583
why not, anoninsky? It looks like fallout 3 with a revamped lightning system, some better animations and slightly better textures and it fucks drops to 40 fps on a 980 in boston and I dont even run it at ultra
same shit for dark souls 3, some of the armor textures were literal DeS tier yet it needs a 970+ to keep stock 60fps at ultra
>>342253846
no idea
>>342250886
No it's not, fuck off. 2016 releases at ultra settings are already beyond the range of 970s, a 1080 will comfortably last you a couple years.
I've been waiting for this
>>342248659
>1450
>not waiting for the 9001
>>342254027
>other than the vastly improved lighting and shaders, better animations, and textures that aren't muddy, low-res garbage, what could possibly be more demanding about Fallout 4?
Yeah, really makes you think.
>>342254096
name 5 that arent nvidia infected titles
>>342249550
>buy the latest high end GPU
>59Hz monitor
>>342254618
m8 the game looks last gen through and fucking through
>>342244050
A bit. Get yourself a cheap 144hz monitor and you'll be set for a while.
>>342254840
You also said it only looks like Fallout 3, so I don't give a shit what your blind ass thinks it looks like.
>>342255321
you need quick lasik if you think they aren't similar
>>342247917
Wait for the RX 480, benchmarks so far show that it's just a bit slower than a 980.
>>342254096
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6IpCigm_b2E
Been really fighting the urge to grab a 1070... I must keep fighting the good fight.
>played the doom demo at all maxed 60fps
I see no reason to upgrade as of now.
Ya'll suckers.
>>342255428
They have a similar style, in the same awful way all modern Bethesda games do, but in terms of visual fidelity, absolutely not. Try replaying Fallout 3 without a million texture mods and an ENB some time. It looks like vomit.
>>342255665
m8 its only that way because of the awful filter and worse lightning system, but horrible LOD and poor textures - these are in fo4 as wellt
>>342249550
>one monitor
top kek
>>342255552
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iHFDa7NtcGU
pay attention at the 970 side at 0:44+
I currently have a 7950 3gb. Should I upgrade soon?
>>342253745
>>342255908
someone explain this epic meme
>>342253845
And somewhere in that cycle you can't play games because AMD forgot to fix openGL support for a shitty fucking engine where every surface has a unique texture
>>342248659
>he's not waiting for the 1488!
laughing_aryans.png
>>342244050
judy hopps fuck my ass gtx 960e :v
>>342246954
but it get´s SO FUCKING HOT.
63 celsius in idle..
>>342256139
Why would you buy 1800 worth of hardware and not get at least a second monitor?
>>342256407
is this a recorded phenomenon or should this anon clean his case?
>>342256532
why would you get a second monitor for video games you stupid retard holy shit
>>342256547
my case is clean and i have 3 120 mm fans
>>342256532
What do I need the second monitor for?
>>342256547
>>342256647
Intel Core i5 4690K @ 3.50GHz 36 °C
Haswell 22nm Technology
RAM
16,0GB Dual-Channel DDR3 @ 666MHz (9-9-9-24)
Motherboard
Gigabyte Technology Co. Ltd. Z97X-Gaming 3 (SOCKET 0) 28 °C
Graphics
SAMSUNG (1920x1080@60Hz)
DELL U2415 (1920x1200@60Hz)
8192MB ATI AMD Radeon R9 390 Series (MSI) 63 °C
Storage
232GB Samsun SSD 850 EVO 250G SCSI Disk Device (SSD) 30 °C
1863GB Western Digital WD WD20EZRX-00D8PB0 SCSI Disk Device (SATA) 29 °C
1863GB TOSHIBA External USB 3.0 USB Device (USB (SATA))
>>342256407
>>342256547
I'm running a mildly OC'd 390x and it idles at 49 right now.
>>342256674
>>342256638
waste your money in another way normies
>>342256389
dot?
>>342256674
Multitasking
>>342256798
fucking retard
>>342256781
how is your case cooled (and what case?) i have fractal r5
>>342256757
>>342256781
no reason why it should idle at that even with OC, I have midly OCed ref 980 with an open case that hasn't been dusted in 4 months and it idles at 30
guess it really is an issue
>>342256938
>>342257080
also if you compare it to my other temps you see that they seem absolutely fine..so honestly the r9 390 was my last amd card.no more housefires
>>342256407
67 on load actually
>>342244050
>overkill
Fuck no. I'm also planning on getting a 1070 for 1080p/60fps gaming. Why? Because I want to play everything with retarded high settings and all the Nvidia extras on for at least a few years and still get solid 60fps.
>>342256938
define xl r2 and not enough fans to get heat out effectively. mostly because this is cool and quiet enough. most of that heat started building when I oc'd the cpu though. with def cpu clocks this gpu was at 30's.
>>342257530
on 70% fan speed which is a freaking leafblower even with my sounddampening case...
>>342257692
so what could be wrong?how did you set up your fans?
>>342257867
I'm too lazy to screw on one extra 140mm fan to get cooler. it's fine though since it's pretty cold in here even if it's 30 celsius outside.
Should I upgrade from a GTX 660 to a 1080?
>>342246541
How worth it is a 144hz monitor with a 780 oced?
>>342258237
what's the rest of your hardware
1080 is fucking retarded if you're on 1080p, even 1070 is overkill, just wait for 480 if that's your case
>>342256046
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gdDcyy3xT_E
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=izIix86au10
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bhq1geY3rPs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b4HHQArZ3z4
Id say so it had a good run
>>342258237
get a 480 + a ps4 instead
>>342258531
1080p 144hz monitor
Ive been waiting long time to buy a new gpu and it seems like im gonna buy 1070. What do you guys think ?
>>342258531
or a 470 if your really scrapping for cash
Is there a reason to play above 60fps or is it only a cuntershit meme?
>>342258531
>1080 is fucking retarded if you're on 1080p, even 1070 is overkill,
Unless he has a 144hz monitor. You're assuming everyone plays at 60fps like you do.
Dude what. I have an R9 290 and nothing announced this year seems worth it to me. Just gonna wait for Vega or anything past that so I can go right to 4k gaming instead of this 1440p halfstep.
>>342248075
Get the cheapest card that isn't a blower-design. Blowers are awful. Blowers have a single fan. Non-blower designs typically have at least two fans.
>>342258681
Might as well. I went from a 210 to a 750 ti and then a 970 and the differences were astounding.
>>342244050
>Upgrading from an R9 390
Why?
Are you going to upgrade every year?
Are you not currently hitting 1080p/60fps?
Are you a fucking idiot?
>>342258763
Human eye literally can't see above 60fps.
Anything above 60fps should be reserved for twitch shooters.
>>342259007
Oh look, free bait
>>342259007
dankly memed my friend
>>342259007
I ask to see if x is a meme and I get a totally different meme in response
I hate this place sometimes
>>342258763
its smoother but its pretty hard to achieve a constant 120/144fps in newer games and not always supported very well
>>342244050
don't bother if you're not going for a 1080, in which case you are not filthy rich and is a fucking retard for upgrading graphics card yearly for little gains
>>342244050
wait for vega, you will do fine with a 390 for a year.
>>342258763
CS:GO is the only modern game I know of that plenty people play that has an unlocked framerate. Plenty of older games have unlocked framerates and are probably much better than what's released today.
>>342259428
How often do games break when relying on frames for mechancis IE Dark Souls
>>342259598
So until it gets more standard it's not going to even be an option for most games?
>>342259007
Just end you're self now
>>342259723
Not that often I'd reckon, only stuff I know of that breaks are bethesda games and dark souls 1 through 3
And sometimes shit ports are also locked at 60 or even 30 but most of the time you can unlock them.
I'd be more worried about having the juice to power such a monitor unless you don't mind lowering graphic settings or just playing call of duty all day.
>>342254586
>not just waiting until humans achieve post physical existence and are not bound to traditional limits of computation anymore
Can I switch to 480 with this rig?
>people still spreading the human eye can see beyond 60fps meme
>>342257867
leafblower mode anything past 50% it only too load at 80+ which never happens.
>>342259723
Actually I just remembered nuDoom runs at an unlocked framerate(haven't played it but I heard the single player was pretty good but the multiplayer is trash), best bet to look up what games your interested in and see if they support 144hz
>>342244050
depends. you cant really get 60 fps on some 1080 games. witcher 3 with max settings (the hairworks stuff mostly), quantum break with the global illumination stuff to max, etc.
this is only going to get 'worse' with next gen games.
>>342256046
i have t-the same s-sempai
please respond
>>342259980
Yeah right now I'm mostly playing single player games so I don't see much of a use for 144/120hz right now, and I don't think 1440p is all that great right now, I'm running on a shitty 'gaming' laptop I bought last year and it turns out a 960M can't run jack shit made in the past 3 years, Black Flag at minimum at some 13xx resolution and I still get drops into the 40s with choppy audio, don't even get me started on Witcher 3, worst decision of my life
When can we expect pricedrops on GTX970?
>>342256046
Wait for the RX490
>>342258681
>8800 GT
Holy SHIT dude
1080p 60fps is good enough for me.
I have a 980 Ti and play on a 1080p 60hz TV. People were saying this card was overkill for 1080p last year when it came out.
It was pretty funny when one of the first games I played with it had drops into the 20s when I maxed it out and I had to lower a setting to achieve a smooth framerate.
So much for being overkill huh?
>>342260768
I'm running on a 8600GTS right now 2bh fem.
>>342260747
I'm currently at 1440p/60hz with a really nice 27" IPS panel screen. The image quality is fantastic.
>>342260792
980ti is faster than 1080.
>>342260747
>When can we expect pricedrops on GTX970?
They probably won't go much lower than they are now and they'll just sell and run out of all the stock.
>>342260792
Sounds like your CPU is a huge fucking bottleneck otherwise you are absolutely bullshitting.
>>342260927
What card and processor?
>>342260792
ARMA3?
>>342261036
Play more games
>>342249550
>i7, 1080
>1 monitor
>59hz
>>342260976
Have you even looked at any benchmarks you nigger? It fucking isn't.
i am so confused about this shit too. should i buy a 1080? i ll be upgrading from 750 ti
>>342244050
Polaris comes out the 29th just fucking wait bro.
>>342260768
chill thats his backup
>>342261093
i5-4690K
R9 Fury
12GB RAM
I can't max out The Witcher 3 and get a consistent 60fps, but I barely play any of the most recent releases on my machine anyway.
>>342260747
look for second hand ones on ebay,nvidia stopped making the chip so if anything the price will shoot up if you wait too long.
>>342261036
I'm not lying and it my CPU certainly wasn't doing any bottlenecking. Here are my specs. Built it last year right after the 980 Ti was released.
The game I'm talking about is Borderlands 2. Turns out it was because of crappy Physx optimization and once I turned it on low that sorted it out.
But my point was that it doesn't matter how powerful your GPU is if the games themselves have issues.
>>342261412
nah man its my one and only pc
>>342244050
>GTX 1070 for 1080p/60hz gaming considered overkill?
>Upgrading from an R9 390
yes.
RX 480 is for no-worry 1080p
GTX 1070 is for 1440p.
GTX 1080 is for no-worry 1440p, but you'd have to be rich or a sucker to get one knowing Vega/GP102 will be out in 6-8 months.
Unless you're upgrading your monitor or just feel like owning a cooler GPU, just stick with the 390 for the next year at least.
>>342258964
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=swaZrD6oVoM
even a 290 is laughing sempai
>>342262152
>Vega/GP102 will be out in 6-8 months.
Mind explaining to a tech retard what that implies please?
>>342244050
No reason to upgrade yet. For 1080p/60hz, your 390 should be able to do that just fine.
Can I buy a 480 and crossfire it with my 390?
>>342262645
Polaris's(rx 480) big brother,it's a equal to the 1070/1080 cards by AMD coming
>>342261206
OK child
>>342262645
First batch of HBM2 cards, possibly massive memory speed and capacity bumps as well as most likely large improvements in performance due to the lesser amount of physical space taken by the same amount of vram, leaving more space for computing.
>>342262645
Buying a 1080 now would be like buying a 980 in the Fall 2014 while actually being aware that the 980 Ti was coming out in Spring.
It's actually even worse, since the 1080 is $700 and the 980 was only $550.
Vega and GP102 are the HBM2 based cards that were expected to come out this Summer/Fall but got delayed by Koreans being bad at actually making HBM2 memory.
Ballpark guesses for the card are 50% faster than the 1080.
>>342253474
>at least a 1080
Where are you getting this from?
>>342263239
>>342263105
>>342262941
Thanks, it pretty much means that we can expect a quick price drop for the 1070 and the 1080 right?
Literally why would you buy such a marginal improvement of a card when you could wait and buy HBM2 cards in a year.
Literally buying any of the new cards unless you're running something ancient is retarded right now. MAYBE the 480 is excusable as a stopgap if it really only does cost 200, which I don't buy for a second.
>>342263639
Does the 280X count as ancient?
>>342263597
yup,nvidia knows they can charge this much for their cards seeing as AMD cant play for awhile so they have free reign on price for now.
So, what would be the best, future-proof card that isn't 10 series. I'm not loyal to brands, anything goes.
>>342263856
No.
>>342263913
>future-proof card
Even if any such thing existed, it wouldn't be any card on the market right now, as we're on the verge of a new memory standard.
>>342263856
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IBdr7lFxa60
just play on high
What's the ideal type of 980ti I should go for? 1070s just won't fucking exist for the next 2 months or more due to 'lel understock', and the 1080 is over my budget since I'm awaiting the 1080ti in Q4.
Are the MSI cards much worse value to dollar than the other brands like EVGA, or is the 980ti powerful enough where it stone cold doesn't matter and going for the cheapest option is 100% acceptable and ideal?
>>342263913
Sorry, I didn't specified.
A good card for 1080p that isn't 10 series.
>>342264051
Not future-proof this time, but something that would last at least 2 years.
>>342263929
>>342264120
I just bought a vive and was hoping to get the 1070 to go with it, but I guess I'll just wait for the HBM2 cards then. Will the increase in performance be substantially better though? Wasn't the node-shrink what enable the better performance anway?
>>342264312
Any 250e+ gpu will last you two years easily
See the 770
I have a 4690K and a GTX 970.
Should I just build a whole new fucking machine?
>>342256407
mine idles at ~30 C
ventilate your case better anon
>>342246449
The problem is that unless you explicitly want to go beyond 1080p/60hz on high settings, which is fine for most people, then there are severely diminished returns for buying top of the line stuff rather than just buying the previous line of stuff for much less.
An 870 would be just fine to upgrade to and last for a while.
>tfw GTX 1080
>too slow for constant 144Hz 1080p/1440p on modern games
>too slow for 60Hz 2160p on modern games
I'm sticking with my 1080p 60Hz monitor and my GTX 1080. Shit barely maxes out Witcher 3 @ 1080p.
>>342265093
What's your CPU?
>inb4 AMD shit
1070 enough for 1440p 60/fps every where ?
>>342264647
Not unless you plan on doing a lot of video editing or things like that.
Your CPU is fine when it comes to gaming.
>>342246409
>this is what amd shills actually believe
tears will flow once benchmarks arrive, screencap this
>>342264647
If you're at 1080p, no
I feel no need to upgrade, but the enthusiast in me wants too. I'd have to get a 1440p monitor to make it worth it, though so I'm going to hold off some more
I can still run modern games at ultra without issue
>>342265332
yes
>>342265452
My monitor is 1440p, I'll look into upgrading when the 1080ti releases.
>>342265332
99% yes
>>342262645
>>342262941
>equal to 1070
mate we already know Vega 10 runs 64 CU's
GP102 has 30 CU's
looking at how the RX 480 does vs the 1070, you're looking at a 7 : 9 ratio at stock clocks, for equaling performance between Pascal CU's and Polaris CU's.
Honestly, Vega 10 is BIG. AMD isn't putting out some pussy fuckabout GPU at the start. They're going for the "Nvidia won't have a GPU to match it until 2018" gig. Because they can afford to do it as GloFlo 14nm is physically smaller than TSMC 16nm.
Might be a little bit unrelated but I'll still ask
Haven't followed what happened to CPUs since I bought my 4670k 2 years ago.
How much better is the Skylake generation?
Any reason to be worried with my cpu if I want to buy one of those new GPUs I'd say worth 350 bucks next year?
>people forgetting that in 15 years hardware will be so amazing that there will be no point in upgrading anymore because even $200 cards will result in photographic experiences
>>342265448
>muh benchmarks
>>342263597
Even just the 480 is already pushing a price drop on the 1070 and 1080, when the 490+ are released, the pressure will be even higher, yes.
>>342265750
>>342263105
>>342263239
also GP102 isn't delayed by HBM2 supply, GP102 is delayed because it turns out putting shit on an interposer is way more difficult than a flip chip packaging. They're getting different thermal expansion coefficients and the chips are cracking themselves off the interposer.
It took AMD around a year and a half to fix that on the Fury X, it was originally slated for a 2014 release.
>>342265898
at the current speed of improvement it will take a ton longer than that
>>342265763
As long as your current cpu is overclocked, it's fine
Skylake has some decent performance gains, especially on the new Z170 mobos, but not anything that demands an upgrade from where you are now
Also keep in mind that Kaby Lake timeline was leaked, and it looks to launch Q4 this year along with 200 series chipsets, so if you really want to upgrade, again there's not a huge need to, you might as well go Kaby Lake, which is a Skylake refresh not a new architecture.
>>342264541
HBM2 and node shrink both contribute to performance improvements. We don't know how good HBM2 will be yet, but at worst it will just bring down the price of other cards anyway. Moreover, HBM3 is unlikely to come around for several years so HBM2 is the right point to wait for before upgrading.
>>342264541
Aside from more bandwidth, HBM means lower power usage, so I'd be shocked if that wasn't utilized for a higher clock speed.
>>342265045
>870
Are you retarded?
>>342244050
YES
If you have or want to get a 144hz moniter then you want overkill like the 1070.
You don't have to get 144fps at 144hz but the more fps you have the better it looks. 60fps @ 144hz looks drastically better than 60fps at 60hz or 75..
>>342266179
joke is that because Nvidia skipped the GTX 3's and GTX 8's, that the 1070 is an 870
man I don't know I ain't the fuck that posted that.
>>342266134
>>342266172
Given that I don't live in America, or a big country for that matter, prices don't change all that much, but even if there's a small chance of a performance increase, I think I'll just wait it out. Thanks guys!
>>342266071
You're joking right?
2006:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AaMWNOURKjE
2016:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GXI0l3yqBrA
>>342265263
4790K @ 4.7GHz with 2400MHz RAM CL11
The only real thing the 1080 can do is 1080p/1440p 60Hz. It can handle OW/CS:GO at 144Hz 1440p though, but those are low spec competitive games.
>>342266830
Not to mention most of the high end high refresh rate monitors are due to panel lottery which I tend to have bad luck with. I refuse to buy TN garbage.
4k is a meme, 1440p is what you should be shooting for. On that note, does the 1070 do 1440p 60fps for modern shit?
>>342266583
I am not. I've also been a rendering programmer for 10 years and you can believe me, photorealism is longer of than 15 years. longer of than 30 even. but not much longer than that.
>tfw want to get a new, beefy GPU
>would have to buy new monitors to justify the purchase because my HD7950 is fine for 1080
>upgrading would set me back like, $700 after GPU and displays are said and done
>no games to really make it worth it
>>342263652
>16 gb of ram
For what purpose? I've even seen clowns with 32 who do nothing, but fucking play video games on their machines.
>>342266084
Thanks
>>342266978
>Implying triple A will ever optimize
The more powerful the hardware, the lazier they'll get. They'll only optimize as far as Sony and Microsoft requires them to do so for the consoles.
>>342267041
Same. Only reason I'd upgrade for is to play racing sims with a wheel at 3440x1440 but for now that res is too expensive for my taste
>>342266583
>oblivion still looks better than a game released 10 years later
W E W
E
W
>>342267202
I do photoshop a lot
Hell, if I have a game open and a browser going with a few tabs, I easily go over 8 gb
Besides when you can get 16gb kits for like $50 literally why not?
>>342267202
I have 16 and it's nice for playing game(s) on one monitor and watching cartoons on the other while being in a VOIP call. I don't think I've ever seen my ram usage go above %50 but RAM is so fucking cheap I don't see it being nearly as overkill as other shit you do to a PC.
>>342266356
He probably meant 970, which is still retarded. the 8xx series are laptop GPUs.
>tfw bought an midrange AMD processor 2 years ago
Am I completely fucked for CPU upgrades without a new Mobo? I'm guessing Zen won't be compatible with my current one.
>>342256407
Clean your fucking computer out holy shit, my 390 idles at 50c, and its overclocked.
I am planning to upgrade to a 1070 msi.
I do have an i5 4570 4x 3.20GHz. Is it going to bottleneck? This is the first time I'm upgrading so I am not very well experienced in this yet.
>>342266583
Why did it look so damn good for a computer animated movie from 2001?
Release it in BR quality today and noboy would notice it's from 2001. Most game cutscenes can't compete with it.
>>342267662
Zen will be using the new AM4 socket, as well as DDR4, so you'll need new ram to upgrade
>>342256407
>>342256547
My 390 is from Asus and idles at ~35ºC. Never past 70ºC during games.
>>342267808
Nah. Facial animations are kinda shit.
>>342244050
It's not.
There's this new meme floating around that 1080 is a static thing. If that were true, CS 1.6 would require the same horsepower as Doom to run 1080p60.
1080p will always be pushed as gaming technology evolves.
>>342244050
The 1070 and esp the 1080p are HIGHLY considered overkill for 1080p@60FPS, yes.
Both cards have enough power to play a ton of games 1440p@60FPS.
>>342268154
Doom hardly needs a powerful pc to run maxed 1080p 60fps stable. Its very well optimized, a lot of games aren't.
>>342268256
Optimization is just one piece to the puzzle, my friend. What could run modern games at 1080p60 years ago can no longer do so.
>>342256674
I don't even know how I would live without three monitors.
>tfw can't keep stable framerate with my 770 even on older titles
I don't even know why. It sucks so much. I hope a 1070 will help. I've done everything short of writing my own drivers to fix the microstutter and frame drops.
>mfw running doom vanilla wads and can't even maintain a solid 60
>>342267791
Anyone?
>>342267041
really?
I have a 7970/280x and games like TW3 still have underwhelming performance at 1080p
>>342267202
it's mainly for dual channel configurations but people just get it cause it's cheap without looking for the 2x4g ver. that's cheaper.
>>342244050
980ti for 1080p/60hz is overkill
>>342268793
At most a few fps vs latest i7.
>>342256674
It's really nice to be able to have a game on one screen and something to watch/read on the other
Of course, if you're an adult and use your PC for work, a second screen can greatly increase the speed of your work flow by allowing you to essentially do two things at once, or at least spread your workspace out more efficiently.
Does the 1080 have a release date?
If not, I'm just going to get a titan x or some shit if I find one cheap.
the 1070 is a 1440p or 144hz card. buying it to play at 1080p 60fps is like buying a formula 1 racecar to go to the grocery store once per week
>>342269205
B-BUT FUTURE PROOFING.
>>342249738
I have a 390 and i cant even play dragon age inquisition at high with 60 fps it's always 40 to 57
>>342269175
release date is 2 weeks back nigga
>>342244050
>r9 390
>wants to upgrade
how does it feel being a retard?
"hurr durr I have money to spend"
ok you are retard with money, still makes you a retard
>>342248104
You'd be better off buying the "midrange" option every 2 years than the top end card every 4.
>>342269335
I don't want to buy into the founders meme.
im going from a gtx 770 to an rx 480.
1080p 60fps masterrace. don't let the jews cuck you, lads.
>>342265750
>we already know Vega 10 runs 64 CU's
>GP102 has 30 CU's
is this anything beyond pure rumor? some "leaked" driver table entry at best?
>>342269295
>144hz monitors becoming affordable
>1440p, 2160p monitors becoming affordable
KNOCK KNOCK! FUTURE'S ALREADY HERE, KIDS!
>>342255563
I just noticed this, but how come my ram says 1000Mhz when it's supposed to be around 2600?
>>342266056
do we actually know that GP102 is really HBM and not just a fat GDDR5X bus chip?
rolling out GDDR5X for a single, low volume GPU would be kind of nuts.
