So remind me why they shut this down again?
It was so much better than what we have now.
>that graphics
>that map
>that everything
>>342242229
I agree
>>342242229
Actually it was fucking terrible
The map and everything else was shit though.
Graphics were nice, yes but unoptimized as shit.
i like both
>>342242229
>That WoW HUD
>>342242229
It reminded me of 11, and when they were remaking the game I thought they were gonna give us more of FF11 and not a WoW lite. It was extremely dissapointing when we didnt. That ending server event was incredible, combat was incredible, crafting was off the fucking chain, you felt like you actually progressed and gear wasn't on a treadmill. The bosses were great as well, they should've kept going with it.
>that classic final fantasy text graphics
nice
The only bad part of the original game was the networking.
ARR is gutter trash on all fronts, but it sells because it's simple and accessible to idiots who subscribe just to doll up their character and not play.
Case in point:
>>342242618
>>342242229
Simply put, MMO players are all retarded and they wanted everything to be dumbed down to cater for them.
Every MMO dies in this way sooner or later, but for some reason they got to Final Fantasy quicker than most.
What's the difference?
Final Fantasy has literally always been total shit
>>342242592
Well I can tell you now although 90% of your post is spot on. The bosses were great part is still true to FF14, I actually like a lot of the dungeons it has to offer.
>>342242229
Wouldn't have the best ending in final fantasy history if it didn't end m8
>>342242229
>Worse lighting engine
>Server sided UI
>Game punished you for playing too much even though you're paying a monthly sub fee
>World servers went down multiple times a day
>Game engine was not built for a MMO (uses the same engine as FF13) it was so horribly unoptimized that a i5 2500k and Fermi GPU couldn't get a solid 45FPS and those were considered to be top of the line PC hardware at the time
>Software mouse cursor only which had input lag
>Keyboard+Mouse support was an afterthought
>Literal copypasted terrain and parts of areas to make the world seem big
>Changing classes required extensive macros and waiting to equip each piece of gear individually
>Parts of the game still wasn't even translated, some crafting tooltips were still in Japanese
>>342243247
why do anti-14 fags always use such retarded hyperbole in their arguments
>>342242229
the graphics were pretty on PC but unoptimized as shit, they had to dumb it down to get it to work on ps3. Do you really miss the hugeass copy pasted zones that took forever to walk across. The only part of those maps that was better was being able to seamlessly walk through Lomsa Lominsa and Ul'dah.
>>342243182
Dont get me wrong, I played the shit out of ARR, did all the titans and full cleared coil before my life got in the way. I love ARR, it's still the same FF, just wish it had the slower methodical play that let you soak in the atmosphere that FF11 had, and consequently XIV, I got serious feels running around Uldah and crafting armor with my linkshell. When they added materia people became filthy fucking rich it was awesome.
>>342243247
/thread
The game was game design gone horribly wrong. It may have had some decent concepts but it failed horribly at the execution.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CA7GGnyNwEs
lol
>>342243685
>>342243247
>>342243247
We knew it had flaws, the conversation was about how we wish they perfected the formula they were going with in XIV, make it more like FF11 and less like WoW.
>IP count remainds unchanged in this thread since the shitposters turned up
hmm...do I smell samefagging Yoshi-P shills?
What's wrong, subscription numbers falling?
>>342243851
Except 1.x was nothing like FF11. There were no skillchains, switching jobs mid-combat, or a thriving community. The gameplay was utter kusoge that even garbage WoW combat had more depth than it.
>>342244005
>24 posts 19 ips
what the fuck are you even talking about
FFXI's and 1.0's combat are clunky, slow, uninteresting and even visually unappealing. I don't understand how anyone could like them.
The only thing 1.0 did right was not to indulge in casualization like the remake did. However it still had massive flaws that make the current FFXIV overally better by a thousand miles even while being a "wow-clone".
>>342244137
But they were making it more like FF11 every patch, it was looking great at the end of the realm event, I thought it was going to be like that but perfected, but then we got a WoW clone. Which I played to be honest, but still I would've preferred a different game.
>>342242229
They shut it down because it was clearly a rushed game that was outsourced by chinks.
>>342244137
>kusoge
please never post again
>>342243461
all of that stuff is true though, 1.0 was seriously that bad. When a p2p game has to stop charging a monthly fee because the game is such garbage you know the game is truly shit.
I can't believe there are still 4.0 apologists here
https://youtu.be/vNm-t9eWSvA
Let's be serious for a second here, if you actually , genuinely, unironically prefer A Realm Reborn you are a retard and a pleb.
>>342244972
One is a game, the other is an unoptimized piece of shit that deserved worse than the death it got.
>>342244972
And you're a braindead autist if you actually enjoyed 1.x
http://youtu.be/lW5DnpidMiY
>>342245212
What's the matter? Not enough moving out of telegraphed AOE attacks for you?
>>342245212
lmao what is this
everyone is just standing still doing nothing
>>342245370
At least you're actually moving and doing something instead of standing still for 20 minutes alt tabbed while pressing the same 12 buttons with a macro program.
>>342242229
They fixed some shit and broke other.
Its cool now but i can not forgive the asses.
>>342245212
Are you seriously suggesting it's any better now? You just spam a rotation and move out of a red circle every 5 minutes.
All the people who parrot the "it was horrible" line never played it to endgame. It wasn't great and sold poorly, but it was good enough. My computer died and I played it like this for a while on a toaster. Good times.
>>342245619
Why do American's like saggy ass so much?
>>342242765
>ARR is gutter trash on all fronts, but it sells because it's simple and accessible to idiots who subscribe just to doll up their character and not play.
AND FFXIV is now big safe zone for transgender faggots.
>>342242229
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--LOYdzogDA
>>342244743
>you won't be able to make FF 4.0 joke anymore after real 4.0 comes out
>>342245438
>dps nuke nuke
>Go all out!
that was some riveting combat
>>342245662
Compare >>342245212
To this: http://youtu.be/bBmilZaq098
It's not hard to understand why ARR is a success compared to XIV 1.0
This is my character from those days
>>342244137
>switching jobs mid combat
???
>the fatigue system
Still gives me nightmares
>>342245854
>You'll never get to make Krile your personal fucktoy
Why even live
>>342246143
1.X lighting was so awesome...
>>342245787
The fatigue complainers are literally just autistic WoWfag poopsockers who got buttmad they had to do something other than grind trash mobs to max level.
As usual people who think endgame is everything killed another decent MMO.
>>342246347
Why should a game punish you for playing a lot? its salt enough that you're paying $15 a month to play a shitty game but they also restrict how much you can level a week.
Whoa... so this is the power of midcore content...
The Warrens is now playing.
>>342246738
Ozma is easy, just follow this strategy guide.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=Vr9mLP6NwnU
Cutscene quality was so much better too, OP.
2.0 onwards feels like a shitty budget indie game.
>>342244137
> switching jobs mid combat
You sure you played 11?
>>342246909
10/10 bait since the URL didn't load immediately and I was about to shit down your throat.
Even after all that shit though there was STILL one alliance that would bring their meteors to the right. Some how we managed to scrub through it.
blame the PS3 for this
>>342246909
>You're gonna die
>>342246956
The cutscenes got better in Heavensward, but still not 1.0 tier. Most of the budget of 1.0 was spent on cutscene modeling and making high quality assets which PCs couldn't handle at the time.
>>342247605
They really need to improve the cutescenes, they were actually really nice in 1.XX
>>342246971
>>342246169
maybe by mid combat they meant
>warp back to mog house
>switch jobs
>spend 10 minutes switching all 50 pieces of situational gear that you need to macro in on ability use
>port back rejoin the fight like nothing happened because it takes forever to kill anything
>>342247863
They were nice because they focused too much time on them instead of making the actual game better
>>342248013
I miss the slow pace. Shame current ffxi endgame bosses are magic chained down as fast as possible because it's the most effective method.
>>342245714
every server has like one LGBT linkshell
every guild on guild wars 2 is LGBT
>>342242229
I remember playing this at a friends house years ago. Couldn't get more than 20FPS on his desktop, menus were clunky as hell and hidden behind a dozen sub menus, and the combat was putting me to sleep just standing around.
i wish i could have played 1.0 more,i remember i got the special edition for 20 bucks on amazon,i enjoy ARR for what it is now but i wouldn't mind going back to see how it was before the big change too
>>342245787
holy shit I never knew it looked like that.
Anyone here from Cerberus who doesn't like players botting? If so then you might want to have an eye on Clara Norman.
She's a gatherer who doesn't appear to do anything else and always seems to be online 24/7. One of those gatherers who teleport to every map to get to the next spawning node, just more "hardcore". She sometimes comes back to a map to continue on the type of timed nodes she was working on previously. Always quick with teleporting and going to places.
Sure, that's no proof of them being a (part-time) bot, but I've noticed something. You know how gatherers go to regular nods to check them for maps or to respawn the timed one? Clara does that too, but sometimes teleport right after checking a regular node. Quite often actually, especially at nights where there aren't many on. To me it doesn't look like human behaviour but a bot following its orders. After all it's forced to teleport away to catch the next one in an entirely different map.
It's suspicious to me, but not enough to bother the GMs about it. She might be a tryhard after all. Still keeping an eye on "her".
>>that graphics
Not as good as ARRs, texture shaders and polycount on hands aside (lolAsses).
>>that map
Monotony at its finest, unless you really like 30 second tunneled walks between 'zones'.
>>that everything
Regular R0 and zones crashing sure were fun times.
It had 0 content at all.
Instead of fixing it, they decided that they could knock off the WoW formula and succeed.
And they were right. They were absolutely 100% right.
>>342249208
There's a 1.0 private server up right now you can play by yourself
>>342248521
I loved the slow pace. Where you got 1-2 levels in a day, had to stop and farm for gear and do quests in order to progress. You were pretty much required to make friends in order to progress through the storyline, do limit breaks, artifact quests. When i finally got to 75 after like six months it felt like such an accomplishment. In comparison ARR you follow a bunch of exclamation marks on the map, queue with a bunch of random people you'll never see again, and hit endgame within a week. I miss FFXI
>>342249403
oh really? i thought someone was just in the process of making one
XIV 1.0 was actually pretty similar to XI.
Vanilla XI that is. People tend to forget that the game already had an expansion out when it released in the west. Before that all there was to do was grind exp and go beat the Shadow Lord.
>>342249403
Seventh Umbral has been down for two months.
>>342242229
wait they shut down 14?
>>342249246
I've noticed her too. I always run into her in the same place in the Sea of Clouds.
>>342249492
Probably the same project. It's playable right now but things are buggy and you can only play by yourself.
But it works enough that you can visit zones, fight a few monsters, and rewatch cutscenes.
>>342249590
or was it 14 and not ARR?
>>342249590
The original release which is called 4.0 due to it getting a 4.0 from gamepot was canned because it was so badly received and ran like absolute shit. They remade it to what XIV is now with a new engine and completely rehauled gameplay.
>>342249650
Quite annoying regardless of bot status, isn't she? Haven't met any other gatherer that obnoxious.
The last time I saw someone as bad was Kamiche Pomiche. A bot in their own FC who was spiritbonding a lot.
>>342249751
making arr arguably better
>>342242618
Sweet.
Fx
Meanwhile 1.xx looks like that without trying at all.
>>342249472
FFXI was a game built for NEETs while ARR is a game built for casuals
>>342249253
H-Hayai!
>>342249983
I just find it kind of creepy how she's always there. and when I switch to gathering some place I don't usually go to, she just shows up out of nowhere. You can run, but you'll never escape her.
>>342249570
You can build your own server now.
http://ffxivclassic.fragmenterworks.com/
>>342249570
The dev hasn't updated in forever.
>>342249983
Leave botters alone. They're making the most of their time in this barely living game.
>>342249997
Overall ARR is a better game. They had to sacrifice some identity to make it resonate with the MMO community but it is a much more polished game now. I would have preferred a game more like XI but original XIV was a train wreck. MAYBE people who had the patience to stick with it as they tried to fix it were rewarded with a decent game but it was too little, too late and the damage was done. Perhaps if it launched with the content and tweaks it had when the end of world event happened then maybe it would still be around today. ARR has serviced fans and new players well enough though and is very profitable for SE. It is not the most novel or original of MMOs but I enjoyed the time I played it (everything before xpac).
>>342250251
What if she is neither player nor bot, butour regrets of playing XIV personified?
>>342242229
The most unpolished AAA game I have ever played. It's amazing that this made it past quality control.
>>342250251
Try to send her lewd whispers.
>>342250071
What sweetfx settings make the game look like that? I'm using https://sfx.thelazy.net/games/preset/1113/ and while I notice the hit my GPU takes when it's active I honestly don't notice anything different other than the game looking not as bright
>>342250346
>barely living game
???
>>342250145
i know it was, I dropped out of school and became a NEET for a year playing that shit
>>342249472
>and hit endgame within a week
I have played the game for almost 200 hours and am just now getting to HW
how the fuck do you people even do this, this has to be a meme
Good thing I didn't play this pile of shit. Sticking with Tera desu senpai
>>342250335
And it's still barely anything. Perhaps in another year.
>>342250898
You being ironic, pal?
>>342250840
i was referring to the launch of ARR where you basically hit 50 and there was no endgame content other than like doing primals or getting raped in the first stage of coil.
>>342251113
At least it's open source now and everyone can contribute to improve itincluding youand me.
Remember when the servers would crash multiple times a day?
Remember when people were using autohotkey programs to play the game for them while they AFK?
Remember when it took 2 minutes just to sell 1 item to a NPC?
Remember when Square Enix had to publically apologize to everyone who bought the game and suspend the subscription fees?
Remember when the director had to resign out of shame and remaking FFXIV caused FFXV to be delayed for more years and also caused the Lightning games to be made by B-teams?
Good times.
>>342242229
>2.5 GCD
>>342251220
Dude, that was the fucking best time I had playing ARR. I plowed through to 50 and grouped with a bunch of people getting gear and doing primals for our relic weps. That is how I even met my first raid group. We all geared together and hit the coil. It was a time where no one knew jack shit about the encounters before T5 was even beaten yet and everyone was learning how to optimize their class and gear. Shit like that is the BEST time to play any MMO. You never recapture that magic of unknown territory, of forging bonds between strangers, of learning to work together to achieve a goal.
>>342251337
So almost exactly like it is now, ok.
>>342251252
Hard to contribute to an MMO with nary any recorded logs, for an MMO highly reliant on the server telling the client what to do.
4.0 is highly likely to drop ps3 support
It was all presentation and no substance. The gameplay was absolutely fucking atrocious and even dedicated gaming PCs struggled to run it because Crystal Tools is an absolutely awful engine.
>>342251927
It's basically confirmed at this point that 4.0 won't support PS3. Heavensward is already unplayable on PS3 with the amount of lag you get and player models failing to appear in the new PVP maps.
the good FF MMO is still waiting for you.
every single expansion comes with a waifu who now joins your party and EXPs for you.
>you share a board with FFXIV 1.0 apologists
>>342244137
>confirmed for not playing the game to its fullest
You could chain together attacks easily. Which would cause extra debuffs on monsters or knock off a body part of theirs. Fighting skeletons with 2 warriors or monks, you could knock the skull off the skeleton cutting off its frontal cone attack for the rest of the fight. It would also drop bonus loot like the Skull Eyepatch + 1, +2, or +3.
>>342245708
Why is everybody American?
>>342242229
Said nobody who actually played XIV. There's a reason everyone hated it.
>there are people who still want playable furry races
>>342252261
Yoshida also said that the dev team want to do things like grand scale dynamic fates and unique battle content in the new expansion, but they can't do it without raising the minimum system requirements or droppin PS3.
>>342252327
Can confirm. When I quit the XIV back in November I picked up XI and all the expansions for $10. Played through the entire story solo with trusts and had a fantastic time. Helps that the average age of the user base is 25-35, everyone I met was great. Asura is still pretty populated, too, I wasn't expecting that.
>>342252495
You also share a board with literal school children. A lot of them. 1.0 fags are fine in my book.
>>342242618
jesus fuckin christ not even 5 posts in and some sissy faggot starts posting their waifu
>>342252859
Asura is a Reddit server
>>342248713
>doing moogle beast tribe quests
>someone is advertising a LGBT linkshell in /shout
>ask him what happened to QIA
>he is confused at first
>tell him that it's LGBTQIA now
>other people start responding
>he says that as a gay person he thinks that trans and the other letters don't belong in the acronym
>queue pops and I get the hell out of there before everybody starts to get mad
What a faggot
>>342242618
How you doin?
>>342250840
If you're just starting out XIV today, there's a shit load of things to do and catch up on. The typical players I noticed in Novice Network don't even reach the expansion until hundreds of hours later.
unless you're one of those people who skip every cutscene, rushes through dialogue, tries to powerlevel as fast as possible, and doesn't bother with anything else other than the main story in the game.
>>342242229
Because there was nothing in the game. The forgot to make the game and they forgot to make a point to the game.
They actually brought it to a point to where it was looking like it was going to be the next FFXI that everyone was hoping for but then they blew that all up with a meteor. Now it's WoW and that's all there is to it. Damn shame about that. The game design was much, MUCH better.
>>342253989
The game design was much worse. Everything was a clusterfuck.
You meant to say that the combat system was better but even then that's subjective since many people argue that the client ruined the potential of the combat system.
>>342253165
>Blaming it on not paying attention to the market
They didn't put shit in the game originally. It had no planning and there was fuck all to do. Not only that, they put a limit on daily leveling, the retards.
>>342254284
t. memer who never played it
>>342253989
and yet you're still playing, while literally everyone else quit. enjoy your balmung ERP
>>342253168
That so? It's also the only server with any population whatsoever so I didn't have much of a choice. Joined the /ffvg/ linkshell and they were helpful guys. No memes or nothing.
>mages 2 handing their staves
>asses
Only things I want in ARR.
>>342254651
I quit shortly after hitting 50 in the official ARR launch. This was only a couple weeks in. Have not looked back since.
>>342242229
The original 14 was pure dogshit
>>342253168
You mean Asura is the ONLY server. The rest may as well not even exist with their population count. Game needs to merge down to four servers badly, but then the BCNM congestion issue would actually require the devs to fix the bloody thing to support proper instancing.
Why is this allowed
>>342256390
PS3 limitations.
3.0 was a mistake and the zones are the fucking worst, I'd rather more memorable 2.0 zones.
>>342249224
Yea.
>>342254407
Except I did play it, I gave the game a try during patch 1.23 which was also ironically the last and most up "optimized" patch and it was still a clusterfuck.
>>342251337
I remember when opening other programs while XIV was running would crash XIV.
it wasnt a complete wow clone
so they shut it down
and relaunched as a 100% wow rip off
and plebs ate it up and praised it
so now all we have are the most boring generic themepark grinds possible
>>342256887
I'd rather take a polished WoW clone than a unpolished FFXI ripoff
>>342256691
>no vagina
>no butthole
Console limitations everybody. Thanks PS3.
>>>/d/6852967
>>342256691
is that ada and sayora in the middle and right?
>>342242229
That looks ugly.
>>342257036
>>342257116
But there is a vagina lol it's a shit nude mode though.
Who gives a shit about shitposters.
Full images:
http://imgur.com/a/XBc2f
>>342257072
>all ffxiv ero is western filth
Even XIII had more doujin.
>>342253989
>The game design was much, MUCH better.
Fuck off you never played 1.0 it's entire design philosophy was bad. Yes 2.0 is fucking trash and can never ever live up to XI but it's current design shits all over 1.0.
Just a reminder that FFXIV is literally the only MMO today besides FF11 that requires a subscription fee.
>>342257380
It was called the emerald labyrinth for a reason :^)
>>342257216
I wonder how much money the modder has made
>>342257634
They called it that as a excuse to cover up their bad level design
>>342257216
>people payed $5 to use this mod
>>342242229
Nice try.
FF14 launch was abysmal. Healers couldn't receive exp unless they damaged the monster. That face when all my friends started outleveling me
>>342257634
Fuck you
>>342242229
The head producer at the time (Tanaka) felt slighted about having to maked XIV rather than XI-2 or an improvement to XI. He stayed in his room reading manga instead of making a game. Yoshi Piss comes into the picture, lies to all of the loyal fans still playing XIV and makes a shitty WoW clone.
>>342257852
This is a good thing healers are suppose to dps as well. It just weeds out the lazy healer
>>342257216
shit, i haven't played since the free barbie nude mod
>>342258169
Barbie is still free but you have to pay real money for the nudes. Wonder if anon's reupload of that mod is still around
>>342242229
I fucking love when the FFXI/1.0 hipsters show up and try and convince people how great the game was.
Either your a shitposter or you didnt play it. It was fucking horrible, and everyone fucking agreed. Thats why there was no fucking sub for over a year, thats why they fired the ENTIRE FUCKING TEAM, why they remade the entire game in a different engine and thats why business is booming for em.
If people liked it, if it was good, then it wouldn't have tanked
>>342242618
and people wonder why no one wants to post on /xivg/
1.0 private servers when
>>342258301
>business is booming for em
Nope. Also it tanked because it alpha version of a game, not because it was necessarily bad.
>>342258028
didn't a lot of the development of 1.0 get outsourced to a shit chinese developer?
>>342258451
HAHHAHAHAHA
>>342258515
No, a lot of the members of the animation / 3D team had very chinese-looking / sounding names which started a rumor that they outsourced.
>>342258403
No one wants to post there because you have "chemotherapists" spamming the whole place up.
>>342258105
Healers aren't supposed to dps you faggot. They are supposed to heal. If you can't beat DPS checks without healer DPS then your DPS players suck major ass.
>>342258453
Considering how many retards spend money on their shitty cash shop I'd say buisiness is probably in fact booming. I know people who Fantasia weekly.
>>342258802
Nope.
>>342258403
I've never seen an mmo general that doesn't turn to absolute cancer within a month.
>>342242229
spent hundreds of millions of dollars on mo-cap
>>342258453
If business wasn't booming, they wouldn't be expanding the game globally like they are right now.
>>342258453
I dont know why you dont think the games doing good, because it obviously is.
And Ive been there since beta of 1.0. It was always bad. Sure, they fixed some stuff, but it wasnt just optimization issues (although those were huge and most never got touched). The entire design of the game was wrong, from 95% of the world being hallways with window dressing to the XP limit, combat and questing system.
It was a fucking mess.
>>342258924
>game bombs in Japan/US
>China laps it up
Hmmm
>>342258726
>Healers aren't supposed to dps you faggot.
>"I never used Scholar in any FF game with job switching"
>>342258761
Yes we fucking are. I am a whm main and I still dps because 1 it makes the run faster and 2 I am not standing around doing nothing. If a healer doesn't dps then they are lazy and don't deserve anything as all they are doing is sitting still and casting a heal when the tank takes a single auto attack. Fuck you and fuck people perpetuating that healers shouldn't dps meme.
>>342258965
It was an alpha version of a game and it's still shit / unsuccessful in Japan / US.
>>342259000
>>game bombs in Japan/US
the fuck are you going on about? games doing fine.
>>342259064
It kind of sucks when you get a no dps allowed healer in DF. It takes noticeably longer for sure.
>>342259107
Nah.
>>342259000
I'm pretty sure it only really bombed in Korea.
>>342258301
>your
You sound like a child, even if your opinion is valid. Work on that.
I stopped playing like 3 months after release and I never got back into it again. I miss my catgirl.
MMOs haven't been the same since they gutted FFXI, though.
>>342259183
oh okay guess its bombing then
??
>>342258917
and yet the animations outside of cutscenes were garbage
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lW5DnpidMiY
>>342259183
And what makes you think its dead.
>>342259287
Gutted FFXI is still a lot better than most modern MMOs though.
>>342259330
Now you understand.
>>342259064
Spotted the autistic healer. Your petty DPS contributes nothing. If I see you DPSing in my group, I'm going to kick you for not doing your job correctly. I'll maybe even report you for griefing.
>>342258761
>Healers aren't supposed to dps you faggot.
Someone never did savage content
>>342242229
I really have some kind of a love-hate to FFXIV ARR. I really fucking despite the majority of the FFXIV community. Never in my life did I see so many autistic, mentally ill retards in one game. Its like EVERYTHING people make fun of gathers in FFXIV. Virgins, autists, faggots, attention whores, greasy neckbeards, waifufags and other scum people instantly think about if you just say "videogames and anime". Heck, the FFXIV general might be the worst general in the entirety of /vg/, not even the tera or Vita general comes near.
On the other hand its pretty much the best MMO to date, I really like the story (especially 3.0), the characters in it (Estinien is easily one of the best dragoon characters of the franchise) and most of the boss fights are fucking great. It definitely has plenty of flaws, but they dont really matter as the good points outweight them. To me at least. All I really want would be more armor bonuses like passive skills instead of just a few numbers on it. Make it FFX style where you have 4 slots on a weapon where you can slap in some skills or something.
>>342258848
Excellent rebuttal m8
>>342259356
I'd reply but you posted Russo, so...
>>342259521
All the evidence points to it being a flop. Shit sales, low sub numbers, worst retention rate in recent memory..
>>342259523
Look. Im on cornettes side as much as anyone who knows vince is, but you cant deny his faces are so god damn good for reaction images.You also dont have any real backing that its dead/dying because its not and your just using the worst thing to ever happen to wrestling as an excuse
>>342259486
I'd love it if they release unique equipment that would change up skills or give you passive skills, but it wouldn't work well unless they release an item to make said equipment relevant in the next patch as far as ilvl.
>>342259763
Posting Russo just makes me want to take a shit.
Also they never release sub numbers, and all their sales numbers are bad. It's dead, Jim.
>>342259642
If it really was a flop, why are they making expansions? Why haven't they gone F2P yet like every other MMO ? Why haven't they shut down or merged servers yet? Why are they still pumping millions of dollars into advertising, conventions, and promotional deals? Why spend so much time and money on a product that "flopped"?
>inb4 hurr cuz companies are dumb I know better than some retarded business japs
>>342259642
Kek it has more subscribers than WoW currently, WoW's subs have tanked so hard after WoD they don't even report them anymore. Top fucking kek, the last time they reported them it was in the 2 million range, fucking pathetic man. Just get over it, FF took over the mmo market, it does WoW but better with more content, frequent updates, great gil sinks and ways to waste your time, you have casinos, choco races, card games, crafting that isn't a iphone app, and people actually communicate in game. In WoW you are literally sitting in your garrison twiddling your thumbs because arena is fucking broken and theres only 2 raids to do that you had to put up with for a year. Get blown the fuck out.
>>342259362
it's such a chore to play though. I think i about restarting every once in a while but then i remember i'd have to rewrite all my macros and gearswaps, i'm just not autistic enough for that shit anymore.
>>342252790
anyone have a full video/album of this slideshow, I want to see them talk about 1.0
>>342259064
>falling for obvious bait.
>>342259178
Yeah it really does cut off five or so minutes from a run which is great. I normally go heals just to dps but sometimes I just get the shit dps who can't do damage and I just wish I went in on my blm instead.
>>342259446
>Your petty DPS contributes nothing
Makes a df run five minutes faster. As most df runs take 25 minutes without a healer dpsing that pretty much makes a run go 20% faster.
Not to mention healer dps actually does matter for savage content friend. Maybe one day you'll get to a8s.
>If I see you DPSing in my group, I'm going to kick you for not doing your job correctly. I'll maybe even report you for griefing.
Sounds like you're the one with autism friend
>>342260009
>If it really was a flop, why are they making expansions?
Because people are dumb enough to buy them. It's probably where most of their money comes from when talking about ARR. Very few people stay subbed, because it's shit.
>Why haven't they gone F2P yet like every other MMO?
Because they'd have to make ways to make money in-game, outside of cosmetics. And they're too lazy and shit at game design to do that effectively.
>Why haven't they shut down or merged servers yet?
Because it's cross-realm. No need to merge cross-realm servers.
>Why are they still pumping millions of dollars into advertising, conventions, and promotional deals?
They're not. Most squeenix promotions cross-promote everything, so it's like one big circle jerk to make XIV look successful when it isn't.
>Why spend so much time and money on a product that "flopped"?
To save face.
>>342260076
>Kek it has more subscribers than WoW currently
lol no it doesn't. XIV, XI and DQX combined have less than 1 million subs. WoW has over 5 million.
>>342260198
People actually believe this
This thread confirms that /v/ is contrarian for the sake of being contrarian.
>>342259936
Who cares if they never release sub numbers.
ALmost every server has a higher pop. They still have character creation restrictions BECAUSE of how many people are constantly in it.
I never seem to not see anyone, and even with that in mind the cities are still overflowing. Square constantly says its a big earner for them in their investment calls, we get huge patches (with more content than any MMO has ever seen via a patch per patch) and still have expansions planned.
The problem is WoW pretended to have so many subs for so long that people began to think you need WoW numbers to survive, but the reality is you dont. You can survive on around 1m subs perfectly fine.And im pretty sure it has more subs than that worldwide.yoshi P was smart with the money given to him and used the budget the games income generated for his team wisely.
If anything, it shows how much better FF is than most MMO publishers/devs
>>342260531
>Very few people stay subbed, because it's shit.
No proof. Not only do you have 0 proof, but you dont know their target number.
>Because they'd have to make ways to make money in-game, outside of cosmetics. And they're too lazy and shit at game design to do that effectively.
No game dev is to lazy to do things that will generate them tons of cash. Especially the money hungry jews at square. Right now its better as a paid sub service.
>Because it's cross-realm. No need to merge cross-realm servers.
only partially true. And everywhere I go, I see tons of people, and the cross realm shit only counts after X amount of time spent searching for dungeons. So no, the pop isnt low.
>Most squeenix promotions cross-promote everything, so it's like one big circle jerk
Thats called smart marketing.
>To save face.
No one saves face at the cost of running a dead MMO. Double that of one who keeps updating with the large amount of content we get
>>342258761
>>342257852
Then why were CNJs given three Elemental nukes at lvl1?
>>342260531
...FFXV-kun?
>>342261095
>The problem is WoW pretended to have so many subs
Yeah, like XIV never pretended to have subscribers or something. toppest kek
>No proof
They never post sub numbers.
>no one is too lazy to make money
Actually they are. Not only are they lazy but they're bad.
>>342261220
We're talking about A Turd Reborn you twit.
>>342261402
FFXV-kun, shut the fuck up.
>>342258761
>Healers aren't supposed to dps
>Have damage spells
HMMMMM
>>342260531
>5 million subs
>when their subs tanked in WoD and kept going down until it hit 2 million then they don't report them anymore because of this
>pulling shit out of his ass
Holy shit man don't get so upset that XIV is beating WoW, it's the better mmo.
>>342242229
The issue wasn't that they shut it down, the issue is that when they brought it back they made sure to scrub any trace of 1.0 from the game and made it into a WoW clone.
>>342261701
http://www.polygon.com/2015/1/2/7480177/square-enix-final-fantasy-14-final-fantasy-11-dragon-quest-10-subscribers
What where some differences from current ffxiv?
>>342258515
>basic healing class tells the player to that you have to do other things then just heal
>people at max level who only heal
every time
>>342261818
Most of the stuff legacy players complained about went totally unchanged. All they did was make it a WoW clone for homosexuals.
>>342261402
Lets say I have 2m subs and 5m accounts and I say I have 5m adventurers. Thats not really a stretch, its just fibbing.
But in the case of WoW, they had less than 8m subs, and those subs where counting trial accounts, every single chineese player that month, despite them having to pay per hour (so if I paid 1 hour, they pretend im a full subber) and had been caught lying about said numbers before.
One says they have X accounts and makes it sound like its subs, the other just lies about the sub count by millions.
>>342259064
>I am a whm main
White mages LITERALLY did not exist in the time frame he is talking about
>>342261810
>linking polygon
hows your wifes black son
>>342261950
XIV has less than 1 million. WoW has around 5 million. Facts are facts boi.
>>342262126
>WoW has around 5 million.
Sure it does.
>>342262217
Alright maybe it doesn't. They both don't have subs. They're both shit. Glad we agree.
>>342261818
>>342243247 is a pretty decent list about what it was like.
The game had to be rebuilt because stuff like the server-side UI wasn't going to be fixed without that. It's a shame they took out any decent ideas like cross class abilities meaning something, having open world content, the old combat system, etc.
A lot of people feel slighted because when Yoshi took over there was nothing to indicate that the game would be changed as radically as it was. The early concept render and alpha screenshots were still using the old combat system, so everyone just assumed the game would be like 1.23b without massive input lag.
>>342262578
From what I've seen of 1.0 the thing I think I'd have liked the most was being able to start as a crafter/gatherer and just kinda live my life as that instead of having to be DA WARRIOR OF LIGHT and shit.
>>342262578
>so everyone just assumed the game would be like 1.23b without massive input lag.
https://youtu.be/Wbaqy_rUxys
>>342261810
Dude learn english shitskin, it's referencing FF11 not DQ 10 and XIV along with it, DQ isn't even an mmo you fucking mongoloid. Jesus blizzdrones are so fucking stupid it's hilarious. Kill yourself.
>>342262858
It was nothing like that. Crafting was just a huge grind, just like now. It was more rewarding in 1.0 though.
>>342262908
>it's referencing FF11 not DQ 10 and XIV along with it
Wrong. I can sense your butthurt though.
>>342262893
>have shit net
>blame the game
>>342242229
>Miqo'te had fabulous butts
>a flower pot had just as many polygons as a player character
>animations were seameless and completely immersive
>no loading screens for every single thing you did
>actual functioning fucking elevators
>custom belt armor fully customizable
>music by based Uematsu that got completely removed
ARR was a mistake
>>342263083
>play shit game
>blame net
>>342263067
Reread the sentence again, and then get educated, FF11 is the one that it's referencing.
>and Final Fantasy 11, which has entered its thirteenth year of operation-maintain nearly 1,000,000 paying subscribers all together
FFXIV has 4mill subscribers, not only are you completely wrong and a blizzdrone, you can't even correctly attain information from a paragraph. Youre fucking stupid.
>>342263283
"Square Enix's efforts in the massively multiplayer arena are pulling in just under one million paying subscribers in total, across three of its MMO offerings: Final Fantasy 14: A Realm Reborn, Final Fantasy 11 and Dragon Quest 10."
>>342262893
Not what I mean by input lag. Imagine if your bags opened like 2 and a half seconds after you hit the button. That's an issue with how often the server updated the player's position. Before 2.1 (or 2.2, I don't remember), it only updated every 300ms. Couple that with lag and you get fun times.
>>342263283
It's actually hard to tell if English isn't your first language or if you're just baiting. If it's the latter, good job.
>>342242414
>>342242414
>>342249115
>>342249115
EXTREMELY wrong ITT
>>342263456
The lag is still really bad though.
>>342243247
^This.
We're talking PS2 here and on that console, this game was 100% shit... EQOA had already been out and was better in almost every single way.
>>342242229
Yes, the art, the design, and the aesthetics were quite fine.
But it didn't even have fucking hardware mouse. Seriously. Everything was software mouse in order to communicate with the server. Not to mention the fatigue system was fucking stupid.
It could have been FFXI 2.0, but they cheaped out by using Crystal Tools for a fucking MMO.
Just another thing FF13 ruined.
>>342243247
But I played it from start to its literal becoming of the shit that is ARR, and this is all fucking bullshit? kys
>>342245212
>I play MMOs for the immersive combat!
faggots like you ruined the MMO genre.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=67-WkFw6iKs
>>342263560
>We're talking PS2 here and on that console,
what the fuck are you talking about, retard?
>>342263283
you are fucking retarded if you think FFXI has1,000,000 suscribers, outside of Asura at peak hours most servers have 300-500 players. The total subscribers is probably less than 50,000.
>>342245708
>Americans
>Japanese game
Just stop posting.
>>342244410
>combat
>visually unappealing
is this a fucking joke? I can understand slow being a complaint but are you fucking kidding me?
>square enix account
>lodestone account
>some other bullshit account
whoever designs their online shit deserves to be fired holy fuck
>>342245619
Do other races retain their ass or is everyone a flat board now?
>>342263848
They already were, don't worry.
