Why is this genre dead?
Because Squeenix is clueless
They'll probably reboot it at some point with FFXV combat.
And people don't like turn based combat anymore and most games that do it anymore are like XCOM 2: simplified to an insane degree with added cinematic garbage.
The guy that created the original X-COM is making a new game that's supposed to come out in 2018 though. That might be good but we don't have much info on it.
X-COM and similar games aren't really SRPGs though which I think is what you're talking about but they're close.
>>342202345
>The guy that created the original X-COM is making a new game that's supposed to come out in 2018 though.
Didn't Chaos Reborn bomb?
At least the remake of Tactics Ogre was fantastic
Banner saga was okay
>>342203106
If by okay you mean generic as fuck with boring classes and no magic or anything fun then I agree.
Because it's a genre of escapism, it's unhealthy.
>>342202050
Because Secret of Mana tainted JRPG fans with a taste for brainless action gameplay and the genre as a whole never recovered.
>>342203195
>no magic
I know there isn't much magic, but none is a lie.
![Phoenix-Point-2-600x338[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/2JpRqUb.jpg "Phoenix-Point-2-600x338[1].jpg")
>>342202976
Haven't played it. It's got a 76% on Steam though. The new game seems closer to X-COM though so maybe it'll be better. It sounds pretty cool.
https://www.vg247.com/2016/06/16/x-com-creator-reveals-details-on-new-tactical-game-phoenix-point/
I just hope it's sufficiently different from the XCOM reboot to actually be good.
Xenonauts 2 is also coming out at some point, though I'm not sure how different it'll be from the first, which was pretty mediocre. Expeditions: Viking might be cool too.
Disgaea 5 just came out, no?
Disgaea 5 dood
>>342202050
it's a subgenre of a subgenre of a subgenre
implying RPG>JRPG>SRPG>grid based SRPG or TRPG
>>342202050
SRPGs? Dead? I don't think so.
The new Fire Emblem games are pretty popular. :^)
>>342202050
Its boring as fuck to play
Devil Survivor is prett okay, although 2 went too far into weeb territory for my taste.
I didn't mind Stella Glow, but it wasn't exactly great.
It was never a particularly popular genre and now that jrpgs on the whole seem to be slowly dying and becoming more and more obscure it isn't that surprising we don't get many games that have even smaller fanbases than the niche they carved themselves out from.
It's not quite dead yet.
>>342202050
It is a niche genre, and not enough companies are interested in selling this niche. I wish SRPG got as much love as dungeon crawlers. If there were as many SRPGs on Vita as dungeon crawlers, I would be in heaven, and Vita would be my favorite system of all time.
Xcom2 has a mod that turns it from turn based into characters turn being based on mobility, gives it a good FFT vibe.
We still have Disgaea tho.
>>342203358
http://steamspy.com/app/319050
I decided to look it up, seems like it made 50k sales. That's about a million in revenue, but I guess I can't really judge whether it's bombed because I don't know how many employees worked on the game for how many years
>>342203407
>Banner Saga
>JRPG
go directly to Jail, do not pass Go, do not collect $200
>>342202050
Tactics Advance is way better.
Tactics is actually shit.
Wake up please. Don't fall for the "Tactics is good" meme
>>342203578
It was a Kickstarter game anyway so it was already funded by that before even coming out. New one doesn't seem to be using Kickstarter so they have money apparently.
>>342202050
No, as long as people who don't brush their teeth or randomly found some in their mother's purse when "borrowing" money, there will always be a need for tictacs.
>>342203418
they exist, but they're all just anime shit these days. no one is making games FFT or TO where you can actually tell a legitimate story. no, I for one don't care about sardines.
>>342202050
Just play Tactics Ogre Luct. Literally best game of all time.
>>342203030
stay strong ogrebro, someday Matsuno will continue the series
>>342203729
>no one is making games FFT or TO where you can actually tell a legitimate story.
To be fair no one was doing it back then either. Matsuno is basically the only guy who ever attempted to use jrpgs to tell legitimate stories, and it clearly did not work out that well for him.
>>342203589
Only faggots like FFTA. Gameplay is a huge downgrade. I mean, who thought that shitty as judge system was a good idea? Also, thanks for the worthless story? Yay, I get to throw some snowballs, and pretend I'm living in another world where I don't want to leave. So epic man.I would like to say sorry to the gays. I doubt you guys like games half as bad as what this idiot likes.
>>342203493
>It was never a particularly popular genre
That's how I know you're underaged
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Onimusha_Tactics
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yu_Yu_Hakusho:_Tournament_Tactics
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suikoden_Tactics
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fallout_Tactics:_Brotherhood_of_Steel
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shin_Megami_Tensei:_Devil_Survivor
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valkyria_Chronicles
There is so much licensed tactical crap from the 90s, even leading into the mid 2000s. It's mind boggling to think that Yu Yu Hakusho even got a licensed game in the genre
>>342203546
Disgaea has never been an entry in the genre any more than gone home is an adventure-horror.
>>342203818
I already did, lad. I'm not sure whether to laugh or to cry at all these tasteless faggots mentioning Disgaea 5 ITT
>>342203925
Okay, now compare your list to jrpgs of the same era.
srpgs have always been niche as shit compared to the games the originated from.
>>342203309
FF's switch to more action-oriented combat combined with Western RPGs were more to blame than Secret of Mana.
>new Langrisser game is out
>it's on 3DS and they obviously want the new cancerous Fire Emblem audience
WHY, GOD? WHY?
>>342202050
It's being pseudo-revived by the new South Park game, Fractured but Whole.
>>342203876
I think Vandal Hearts, Growlanser ad few others at least tried.
>>342204009
Then why didn't Yu Yu Hakusho license holders make a JRPG instead of a TRPG?
They obviously had the choice
>>342203876
>Make Ogre Battle series
>critically acclaimed, borderline masterpiece
>Make FFT
>critically acclaimed, borderline masterpiece
>Make Vagrant Story
>critically acclaimed, borderline masterpiece
>Spearhead FF12
>Mediocre sales
>Get blacklisted
>Never make a good game again
Goddamn, it didn't have to be this way.
>>342204030
>It's the second officially translated Langrisser we ever gotten
>It's shit
I'm still upset.
>>342203589
>>342203921
FFT:A>TO:LUCT>FFT>FFT:A2
>>342203589
Is this bait? FFTA's gameplay feels like a downgrade compared to FFT's.
>>342202050
Its too hard for modern gamers
>>342204152
Too bad TO was absolute garbage and FFT1 was only one step better.
>>342203030
I WISH they would have had a classic mode where you leveled and unlocked jobs the original way and had the brutal death (with no 3 turn timer) and all the same maps and training mode.
I feel like they just made it both easier and grindier.
>>342204030
>>342204154
I was so excited when a new Langrisser game was announced (despite the lack of urushihara) and I don't even care about the atrocious graphics, but the first hour of the game was so disappointing that I haven't touched it since the day I got it. Please tell me it gets better.
>>342204030
I thought it was a remake of the first, is it any good? why isnt the art style generic 90s anime?
>>342204158
>is this bait?
Of course it is
>>342204152
FF12 sold fine. The issue is that Matsuno left midway during development because Square Enix hazed him for missing deadlines.
FF12 was supposed to be released long before the PS3 landed
B-but Unsung Story is still coming out... r-right?
>>342204254
No it doesn't get better.
I'm sorry anon.
>>342204202
They basically made it more like FFT with how they changed the equip screen and using random battles instead of training mode. Training mode in the original was boring and there was no sense of tension or risk to it. The remake is far superior.
>>342204104
Who knows. Maybe they just felt like making something they actually enjoyed rather than trying to make something to maximize profits. Its not like they didn't sell, they just didn't sell as much. There was a time when video game production costs were low enough they didn't have to design games by committee.
>>342204303
Last KS update was nearly 3 months ago
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/482445197/unsung-story-tale-of-the-guardians/posts/1543109
>n May, we should have another update that will have more game specific progress we can go into, and will start sharing more game specific features and design.
lmao
>>342203835
No, he wont. He seems like he doesnt care and I wouldnt blame him after the fiasco of Unsung Story and taking the news of FFXII remaster.
>>342202050
Fire Emblem: Conquest just game like 4 months ago.
What do you mean the genre is dead?
>>342204191
Get some taste young man, we can only help you to help yourself.
>>342204490
I wasn't trying to argue that dating sims died, anon
>>342204303
Not even Matsuno wants anything to do with that pos anymore.
>>342204513
His only good game to life was FFTA. Deal with it.
>>342203589
Jesus, even for bait, that's crossing a line
>>342204486
>He seems like he doesnt care
Square owns his IP. I don't think he can do anything unless they sell it to him
Fuck corporations.
>>342202050
I think the problem is genre is perfect content being stuck in time. I'd like more Valkyria Chronicles, XCOM, Natural Doctrine, Operation Darkness, etc. You know, modern takes on the genre.
>>342204156
>FFTA not at the bottom of the list
So do you just feel especially drawn to FFTA because it came out when you were a kid, and was your first one? I mean, the gameplay is the most randomized out of all 4 of those. If you think randomization makes a game better, then there is something wrong with you. Maybe you enjoy the newest Mario Party games too?
Hell, even based on story, FFTA is barely much better than FFTA2, which has the worst story out of all 4 of them.
The only correct order is;
FFT = TO > FFTA2 > FFTA
Funny, I remenber back in the DS that most JRPGs were SRPG
What happened all of the sudden?
Because Square doesn't know how to make good SRPGs anymore.
And the only man on the planet that seems capable of producing these masterworks gave his name to some shitty 3D SRPG on kickstarted that bombed so hard it'll never see the light of day.
Legends have it he retreated into the mountains to make SRPGs by himself, never to be played by the masses.
>>342204152
FF12 was so going in the right direction though, moslty trying to bring FF gameplay without old school turn based and rrandom battles, all Matsuno's stuff made it good, it was the other devs that gayed it up once he left the project.
Then ff13 took a huge step backwards..... oh boy the slowness of turn based with out the control of directly choosing my actions....
>>342204191
You just don't like this kind of game.
Maybe you like Digaaaayaaaa for the funny weebstory or FE for.... something, but you can't like Tactics games for the gameplay and hate on FFT and TO.
>>342204883
FF13 did everything wrong though. The only objective advantage to turn-based combat was that you could at least control all your party members.
FF13 somehow managed to fuck that up too.
>>342204883
TO was an unbalanced mess with the most retarded progression system, the most retarded waveswaveswaves system, the most retarded level design and the most retarded writing ever seen in videogames. Anyone who likes it clearly hates any semblance of tactics in their videogames.
>Yoshida
>Matsuno
>Sakimoto
>The trio will never band together again to create another masterpiece
Why eve live? Is all downhill forever.
>>342204282
SO funny, too hard on best dev for missing deadlines....
Much better to deliver the abomination of 14 on time and take 10 years to make (maybe) FFXV.
>>342204749
>Operation Darkness
it's not amazing or anything, but is one of those games I wish 360 emulation becomes reality for.
>>342204765
this.
>>342204485
I remember reading comments of the people who gave money asking for a refund. Fucking Kickstarters.
Listing SRPGs I've dabbled in
>God Tier
Fire Emblem 5
Tactics Ogre: Let Us Cling Together
Valkyria Chronicles 1 with Gallian Crossfire Mod
>High Tier
Final Fantasy Tactics
Advance Wars
Langrisser
Fire Emblem Fates Conquest (gameplay only)
Fire Emblem 9 Maniac Mode
Fire Emblem 10
Valkyria Chronicles 1
Valkyria Chronicles 3
>Okay Tier
Shining Force (sans 1)
Final Fantasy Tactics Advance
Stella Glow
Most other FEs
Codename STEAM
>Low Tier
Fire Emblem Shadow Dragon
Valkyria Chronicles 2
Final Fantasy Tactics A2
>Shit Tier
Fire Emblem Gaiden
Fire Emblem Awakening
Fire Emblem Fates Birthright
Fire Emblem Fates Conquest
>>342204749
>>342205123
>Operation Darkness
Looks interesting.
>>342204406
I guess I can see why a lot of people liek the remake more, but I REALLY liked everything about the original setup too.
Why are they dead anyway? From a technical perspective, they don't seem too hard to make. It's just a matter of designing them properly
>>342204873
>And the only man on the planet that seems capable of producing these masterworks gave his name to some shitty 3D SRPG on kickstarted that bombed so hard it'll never see the light of day.
>Legends have it he retreated into the mountains to make SRPGs by himself, never to be played by the masses.
Sounds like Shouzo Kaga, the original creator of Fire Emblem (who left after FE5)
http://zeeksweb.blog120.fc2.com/blog-category-4.html
>>342204749
Natural Doctrine was terrible
>>342204646
>Fuck corporations.
Well, the alternatives are still shit.
Fire Emblem Conquest came out recently and has excellent gameplay. I'm not too optimistic about the franchise, but another miracle could happen.
Disgaea sucks, but is still ongoing.
A new Summon Night game is coming out. Last one was bad though.
Super Robot Wars is still going strong. Too bad it isn't very good as a SRPG (mecha fanservice stuff is cool though).
Langrisser is dead for sure after the 3ds game. Growlanser is also dead. Front Mission is long dead. Tactics Ogre is dead. Sting (Yggdra Union and stuff) is apparenly making neptunia games or something. Valkyria Chronicles is apparently no longer a tactics game.
Perhaps there will be another SMT: Devil Survivor game. That might actually be good.
>>342205175
>with Gallian Crossfire Mod
What does that do?
>>342203030
It was so fucking bad that it was virtually unplayable. Whereas the original was a very, very unpolished gem, the remake was a very, very unpolished turd.
>>342205330
I genuinely believe Kickstarter just needs more time to mature.
>>342205337
>Front Mission is long dead.
There's supposedly a new FM game in the works, though. Knowing our luck it's going to be Evolved 2 or something.
>>342205407
Kickstarter will never be good because the model literally rewards being scum of the earth.
>>342205341
Rebalances the game to make it more difficult. The number one complaint people have about VC1 is that you can just Scout rush every map but this mod makes that nearly impossible so you have to develop better strategies.
>>342205175
>God Tier
>any fire Emblem
>>342204749
The one thing that annoyed me with Operation Darkness is that you had to have auto-potions to get anything done in the game.
>>342205407
I think it's just a classic case of most things being shit and you have to actively hunt for good stuff. People jumped on MUH INAFUNE but it's not like he singlehandedly developed every good Mega Man game or something. Just like we saw Schafer.
>>342205478
Sounds great. Good list btw
Anyone played Grand Kingdom? Looks more like and Ogre Battle-ish set up the TRPG but I might try it.
>>342205484
Fire Emblem is one of the only SRPG series that doesn't merely confine you to an empty square and make you duke it out via equipment and stats. The good ones have actual map layouts you need to traverse and positioning is extremely important.
I regard the series highly just for that design philosophy, it's just too bad the series doesn't live up to its fullest potential a lot of the time.
>>342205616
This is what I'd like to know
>>342205697
(You)
>>342205469
It needs tighter in-house quality control, or some sort of guarantee that the product being made will actually be delivered based on the standards that were promised.
As it stands there's too much "wiggling out" of promises through technicalities and semantics in wording.
People are too easy to fool and there isn't a professional part there to help them.
>>342205175
Pretty good taste. Your taste is relatively similar to mine.
If by Langrisser you mean Langrisser 1 (Warsong), you NEED to play Langrisser II / Der Langrisser and Langrisser IV ASAP. They are much much better.
You should look into the Front Mission and Growlanser series. Front Mission 4 and 5 have great gameplay, FM2 (ultimate hits version) has good gameplay and an excellent story, and Front Mission is pretty good. Growlanser IV is closer to a normal JRPG than a SRPG but it's a very good game with plenty of tactics in the gameplay, and Growlanser II is also very good (but it's a direct sequel to Growlanser 1, which isn't as good and isn't in English).
Try out Yggdra Union, and Wild Arms XF, they're decent.
>>342205337
>Super Robot Wars is still going strong. Too bad it isn't very good as a SRPG
Honestly, getting battle masteries in SRW games often requires more thought than anything in srpgs that are often praised for being 'deep'. Its a braindead series on the whole but I think people overestimate how involved other games in the the genre are.
>>342205329
Nah, it just looks like dogshit. I liked most of what it did.
>>342205337
>A new Summon Night game is coming out. Last one was bad though.
Ah right SN6. It looks okay.
>Super Robot Wars is still going strong. Too bad it isn't very good as a SRPG (mecha fanservice stuff is cool though).
Pretty much yeah. MD and V seem fun.
>>342204989
That was exactly what I was trying to say about ff13.
>>342205847
>ignoring FM3, best game in the series
What are you doing, senpai?
>>342205270
Kaga's game is coming out (in japan) in a few more months.
It's basically a RPGmaker project so don't get you hopes up too high, but still, it's fucking Shouzou Kaga.
>>342205558
I think the problem lies in how easy it is to convince people.
Like, saying [JapNameHere] worked on [NostalgiaBaitHere] is usually all that's needed to convince the masses to pledge their hard-earned wagebucks.
As long as there is no quality control on this process the masses themselves need to be able to tell what's bullshit and what isn't.
That sort of knowledge will come with experience, and it is what we USED to (and still do) have publishers for.
I would genuinely not be surprised if we saw start-up companies that offered to help filter crowd-funded projects in our lifetime.
Which version of tactics ogre LUCT is the best to get/emulate?
>>342203493
>jrpgs on the whole seem to be slowly dying
Nigga JRPGs have been having a renaissance as of late
>>342206105
PSP. Though there's some mods for the SNES version to add PSP content into it that are pretty neat.
>>342205937
I thought the gameplay mechanics, level design, story, and characters were rather poor in FM3. Please explain why you think it's the best, I'd like to know what I'm missing.
>>342206162
In quantity, maybe. But can you seriously list amazing JRPGs released in this or last generation? And I mean REALLY amazing titles. They barely exist compared to previous generations which were absolute heyday for the genre.
>>342206162
ahahaha
>>342206305
Strange Joruney is the only one I can think of
Did people not play Jeanne d'Arc on PSP? I figured I would at least have seen one person mention it. I don't know if I could really compare it with other SRPGs based on my bad memory, but it seemed fun enough and had an interesting story. I would put it in line of being more of a FFT/TO type of SRPG in that sense, even if it isn't as great as those games.
>>342206393
Lots of people have played it, it was quite popular for a while. I'm glad that its popularity has dwindled over the years because I found it to be subpar.
>>342206393
It's okay. That's about it though.
>>342205697
I agree with this.
>>342205871
I thought this was supposed to be a VN, do I have another excuse to dust off the nogaems4?
>>342206390
Devi Summoner is better
>>342203234
Fuck off pizza cutter.
>>342203818
The class leveling system is horrible and ruined characters like Ozma for me.
>get a character late in the game
>unique class is at level 1
>have fun grinding
The genre peaked with FFT
inb4 Tactics Ogre was better
>>342202050
So what's up with the tic tacs in that image?
>>342204030
>It's on the 3DS
>Not even using satoshi's art
What the hell happened to that game
So, should I play again tactics ogre or final fantasy tactics after 10 years?
Which version is the best for both games?
>>342205175
>90% of the games of this genre are fucking Fire Emblem
After playng one and a half I already had enough of this series. Liking this genre is suffering.
>>342207979
PSP for both.
>>342205871
It wasn't TERRIBLE, but it was WAY too unforgiving. It does the bad thing some SRPGs do, where the game is less about finding an effective way to kill the enemy, and more about trial and error to find the one and only way the devs intended for you to kill the enemy. And the game-over penalties were way too harsh for that to be any fun at all.
>>342202976
>>342203358
I'm gonna remain cautiously optimisticbut I said that about Star Wars VII too
>>342206009
>>342208109
You should see if you like games like X-COM and Silent Storm. They're kind of similar but probably less story focused. Though even with those kinds of games there isn't too many good ones but it's something.
>>342208451A-are you making fun of my post? I can't tell how many levels of ironic this is.
>>342206105
PSP version using PPSSPP. PPSSPP is a god tier emulator that runs on black magic
>>342208109
There's more then FE. But you gotta dig for them.
>>342208634
I heard it was made by Europeans, so maybe it's the Slav magic. I still don't understand how Serious Sam managed to run as well as it did, looking as good as it did, on the 3 dollar budget it had.
normies would rather play shitty action adventure games
same reason why FF15 is a KH clone
>>342206305
There's a FUCKTON on handhelds. They kind of had a mini Renaissance on the DS and PSP, and even a little bit on the 3DS and Vita.
On home console, there's also a couple
Blue Dragon
Infinite Undiscovery
Xenoblade Chronicles
Dark Souls kinda sorta counts, a little bit maybe
Final Fantasy 13...wasn't good, but boy was it high profile
Couple others too
>>342208568
I forgot to type the rest of that post because I am stoned as fuck.
I was just gonna say a Kickstarter aggregate would be an amazing idea. I might steal it.
>>342208783
handhelds are where series go to die though
see: FFT
>>342208865
>I might steal it.
Cool. Remember some random no-name on 4chan if you ever get famous.
>>342208929
Not really. JRPGs quite obviously transitioned there because it's cheaper to develop.
>>342208783
>Blue Dragon
>Infinite Undiscovery
>Final Fantasy 13
>>342208783
Christ you have low standards
>>342208783
I realize you want to drop some names but you're not really opposing the guy.
>Blue Dragon
Solid game.
>Infinite Undiscovery
Mediocrity incarnate.
>Xenoblade Chronicles
Good game, but padded as fuck.
>Dark Souls kinda sorta counts, a little bit maybe
Let's not go there.
>Final Fantasy 13...wasn't good, but boy was it high profile
No.
>>342208490
>>342208652
I have been playing a lot of xcom in th past 2 years and im alittle bit tired of them altho i really like them.
By this point after playing a lot of jrpgs, his type of games and watching like 3 animes Im really tired of jap shit, who happend to the ones that most of this stuff.
>>342209012
Yes, and that's because they won't be successful enough make enough money back on consoleor PC, but Japs are dumbrelease.
It's a swan song m8
>>342203364
>>342203401
disgaea just doesn't have the feel.
disgaea 1 was fun but I got bored after 2..
geoblocks get in the way of story mode
>>342209102
>>342209143
Eh, honestly, he's not wrong. JRPGs really kind of shrivled up last gen.
I guess I'm just saying there were still some last gen that weren't obvious waifubait. A couple. You kinda have to dig for 'em, but they're there.
Oh, thought of a couple more
Valkiria Chronicles
Lost Odyssey
Ni No Kuni
>>342209342
Because most JRPGs were never that successful aside from big franchises. There was a point sometime during PS2's life that developers decided it was too expensive to develop JRPGs for home consoles unless they got big publisher bux behind projects. Enter, portables.
>>342209489
Ni No Kuni was horrible and VC was deeply flawed
Surprised at the hate for FFTA2. Story wasn't anything to write home about but I'd already written the story off when I saw what FFTA did.
FFTA2 had some seriously amazing spritework and artwork, loads of quests and battles, and better job/ability variety than FFTA. What am I missing, anons?
>>342209759
The story was meh, was the main issue.
Also the game had a lot of repeating missions that added nothing
>>342209759
I don't hate it. I didn't care for it much though.
What's some essential PSP JRPGS with localisation?
I've got FF1-7 & CC, any others I'm missin?
>>342211242
Tactics Ogre LUCT, Growlanser IV, Trails in the Sky, Ys Oath in Felghana
>>342202050
Three reasons.
>Squeenix has become a shit publisher and developer.
>S-RPGs are too hard for normies.
>It's too niche to generate profit for a big publisher.
