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>Worst girl as the main attorney
>Weeaboo as your assistant
>Clown as one of the characters
>Too Japanese
Are you ready for another round?
Apollo is the worst attorney though.
Eat your burgers.
>>342098753
Athena is the worst attorney though.
Tell me what happens to Maya at the end? Does she go back to training again?
>>342099049
Nice opinion, Apollo's ability sucks gameplay wise, all you do is spot the difference. Athena's ability is at least okay and doesn't feel like a chore.
Also, Athena is a cute girl and Apollo is a total bore. Hell, DD is better than AJ. Apollo's character going edgelord is a headscratcher too.
>>342099260
>Athena's ability is at least okay
It's a lot more bullshit than Apollo's tick detector.
>>342098753
Who is worse: Gohanfags or Apollofags?
>>342099260
You're going to hate Spirit of Justice then.
>>342099238
She's like this in Spirit of Justice
The final boss of AA6 is a female version of Manfred von Karma and Quercus "extraterritorial rights" Alba.
I am not kidding about this.
>>342099260
Spirit of Justice is all about Apollo, thankfully.
We're back on track, no more Phoenix fanwanking.
>>342099570
Who's the prosecutor for the final case ?
Is it mister DESIGNATED or is it this Mangrill you're mentioning ?
>mfw the last episode
How do you fuck up a finale that bad
>>342099634
Nayuta, then Mangrill.
This is her BTW.
>>342099634
My mistake.
It's Phoenix, Nayuta, and Mangrill.
>>342098529
>That feel when best girl is back with based Blackquill as his assistant
>Maya is still a useless maiden in distress used for fanservice>Apollo stays in Kurain
>Because of that, we will have more Athena in the following games
Feels so fucking good, man.
>>342099378
>>342099582
Really? You're joking right?
Shit.
>>342099313
Not really, at least for Athena's ability, it's more of implementation that was the problem.
For Apollo's ability, you already know the contradiction but you still have to spot the difference, and in some cases they're really vague. It's just a bad mechanic that doesn't suit Ace Attorney in my opinion.
>>342099975
>Because of that, we will have more Athena in the following games
You do know they're going to throw her under the bus because she didn't do jack shit in AA6 so they made a filler case.
Apollo's past is fucked up.
How did [spoiler[ he went back to Japanifornia for Clay?
>>342100305
Whaaaaaaaaaaat
>>342100064
As long as we can play as her more, I couldn't care less. I prefer that to the complete clusterfuck that is Apollo's backstory.
I'm currently playing the series for the first time
What the fuck happened to Phoenix in AJ?
>>342099975
I agree, Athena is so fucking cute, she's smart, she's close to perfect, she's so fragile too that I need to protect her.
>All those negative reviews from Amazon JP
What the fuck happened?
>>342098529
I admit I am hyped for this casebecause I want more cute moments between Athena and Blackquill. Also I like her, I didn't find her to be a bad attorney. Much more plausible than Apollo "my-bracelet-tightens-when-someone-is-lying" Justice, at least.
Will this available in the rest of the world then? Not just Japan?
>Athena
>Good
Can we stop this meme already
She's literally just
>haha lets just use my bullshit matrix to uncover the feefees of the witness
>HEY WITNESS READY FOR SOME THERAPY
>pls no
>TOO BAD HAVE SOME THERAPY
>>342100674
He became a turbo-bum and raised a daughter
>>342098529
You misspelled "best girl".
>>342100849
Stop the Athena bullying this instant. She's lived a hard life and you should be ashamed of yourself for shaming her.
Apollo didn't suffer that much so you can bully him though, fuck that guy.
>>342100849
>Disliking a character because of her gimmick instead of the characterization
>Posting Maya, one of the worst female characters in the series.
Shit taste senpai.
>>342100849
That's rich coming from a literally just le spirit medium girl fan.
>>342099339
Vegetofags.
Holy shit, the culprit breakdowns in this game are something else.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UmQAvn5q2PY
>>342101332
This.
>>342101332
What characterization was there for Athena?
She didn't even do anything for the majority of AA5 besides for use the ebin matrix and flip back and forth betweenwondering if she murdered her mother
They did a redo of the circus case twice now, and both were very good cases.
Fuck your shit.
>>342100758
amazon jp reviews anything negatively
Hello, it's me, Miles Edgeworth.
>>342101332
I like both of them.
>>342101783
Something seems off here.
>>342098529
My least favourite GS/AA by far.
So boring and way too rooted in japanese mythos.
Last case is meh at best.
I feel like this series lost the plot why it was so liked.
>>342099378
Guess I won't be buying the game then. Hope the series dies. Fucking Capcom.
>>342101906
>So boring and way too rooted in japanese mythos.
2jap4u
>>342101563
>What characterization was there for Athena?
Little girl born with an uncontrollable special ability to read people's emotions and was used in experiments by her mother to try to reduce their effects.
Because of this difficulty, she was a shut in who didn't have many friends and, since he was in close company with robots, had a hard time seeing them different from humans, which is why she had that whole terrible misunderstading with taking her mother apart in DD and why she couldn't speak out loud well in public when trying to talk in the courtroom in Simon's case.
After that, since she felt guilty about it, she decided to study law so that she could find a way to free Simon or to not allow that mistake that happened to him to other people and also tried her best to be more outgoing. However, she was still traumatized about it when under heavy preasure (since it reminded her of when she was young and couldn't do anything) and needed people to keep her from freaking out, until she finally faced the "phantom" that keep eluding her for long.
She is a well developed character with faults and an interesting gimmick. If you don't like her, fine, but saying she is badly characterized is laughlable.
Athena a shit
SHIT
>>342102371
Reads like a tumblr "About me" section tbqh famajam
More best girl for the rest of us, then.
>>342102371
She is still a Mary Sue though.
>>342102371
You're arguing with a shitposting waifufag (like most mayaposters are). You can't reason with these people, it's just a waste of time.
>>342101872
No, nothing wrong here.
>>342102610
>not being a funposting mayabro
>he doesn't even have any pics of his waifu to use
rolf'd hard fampai
>>342102371
please don't start this shit, it triggers people
>>342102721
If you'd insist.
>>342102560
>Can't handle being under heavy preasure to the point she loses her shit and has to be encouraged
>Mary Sue
I see, you're shitposting.
Nevermind then, I will just post more Athena,
>>342102560
For who?
>>342102858
>encouragement is apparently huge in the tiny head of an athenigger
Easily the weakest asspulls in the game.
>Apollo FAGGOTS gloat and laugh and chuckle about how Athena is now Assistant tier
>she gets a case
>the BETA BITCH BOYS literally SHIT THEMSELVES
Cute.
>>342100674
He became Punished Phoenix, a fallen legend
Athena's despair faces do funny things to me
>>342103036
It looks like he is disappointed Phoenix isn't the one sleeping on his shoulder.
>>342102970
Don't mind Apollo personally
Though I am finding it humorous that he essentially got his back for Phoenix stealing the spotlight in 4-4.
>>342103097
>>342102970
This is the only logical development the series could've gotten.
Wright & Co. is a proper lawyering agency now, they have three professional defense attorneys. There's literally no reason why wouldn't each one of them get a case to work with in the sequels.
I actually really like this model too. People have been bitching endlessly, how they don't like that Phoenix has to start the game like some rookie attorney, even though he's a veteran by now. Well, now you can save him for the final case, while the other two work on different cases (seemingly unrelated, but in truth deeply tied to the mystery of the final case). This game writes itself.
>>342102970
I'm a bit surprised people would be glad about that, Athena is way, way better as a playable character than as an assistant. Giving her Blackquill as assistant is great, too.
>>342103176
Despite the general consensus of AJ, Kristoph always did have one of my favorite breakdowns.
https://youtu.be/hkg1dPFOUEA
>>342103306
Kristoph is a great villain, it's just that the rest of the game is a mess
4-1 is legit good though
>>342103262
>Shithena fags would rather play as girls
It all makes sense now:^)___________________________
>>342102560
>Mary Sue
Anon, she's one of the most fragile and flawed characters in AA.
>>342103262
I like both her role as an assistant and as a defense attorney. Her wide range of sprites and emotions she displays on them is great. The other assistants seem dull in comparison.
>>342103512
Her best face is when she's full of despair and looks mindbroken.
>>342103410
every time you played as a girl it has been good
so yes
>>342104017
I'm not a fan of edgy Polly but the wanting to believe in Athena speech was pretty hype. Then entire fifth case (or rather, 4.5) was pretty good. The only good thing to come from DD.
why do they have to keep fucking Apollo up with shit tier writing? He has 3 different mysterious pasts now. Fuck off with that shit.
>>342104017
>>342104110
>he inherited his foster dad's eyebrows
>>342104178
Let's see
AJ: Apollo is the son of Thalassa and the brother of Trucy. He has magical powers
DD: He has a bestfriend named Clay who gets murdered in the final case
SoJ:He has a foster brother and father. His real father was a musician who died in a fire. He actually lived in Khurain Land.
That's a nice stack of pizza boxes.
>>342104325
>He has magical powers
Wasn't it just the bracelet reacting?
>>342104325>Apollo's father played guitar
>Apollo's rival ended up being a guitarist
POTTERY.
>>342104486
Do you remember how Trucy also has small lie seeing powers? Apollos is just as strong as hers, it's just the braclet helps a ton.
>>342104325
How does this work? Is he still siblings with Trucy?
>>342104552
AlsoThalassa wrote the song despite having amnesia. She was trying to remember her husband.
>>342104552
>>342104325
Don't forget
POTTERY
>>342104685
>Burning
>Fire
>Take my life away
>Guitar
>Up together to the sky
>>342104658
>>342104685>Burn my love away.
>Apollo's father was killed in an arson
Kudos to Yamazaki.
Here you go.
![4f690e5b61808d6db544a3e6478ef4a2[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/ewFSWpX.jpg "4f690e5b61808d6db544a3e6478ef4a2[1].jpg")
>>342098529
>Athena
>Worst girl
I thought she was fucking annoying in case 1 since I just wanted to play as phoenix but I started warming up to her around case 3, and by the end I liked her in her own right especially after 5-5
>Weaboo
Don't act like blackquill isn't both hilarious and based. Definitely approaches edgeworth levels. Sucks that we don't get to see his "chains breaking" animations in this game. Poo in Loo has a lot to live up to.
>Clown
Fuck clowns though.
>Too Japanese
It'll make the Japanifornication all the better, though. One of the best parts of ace attorney is seeing the mental gymnastics the localization team goes through to make everything set in the US
>>342104685
just reading those lyrics gives me PTSD flashbacks to "LETS WATCH DA BIDEO ONE MORE TIME"
Now that I think about it.
Does Apollo's hobbies include singing and other musical shit?
>>342105060
>Apollo's backstory based on the worst case in the series
nice, not to mention the weird Oedipal shit that had with it in DD
I miss hobo naroowhoredoor
What a happyfoster family.
>>342105390
I just wonder what the reasoning was for bringing him back to Japanifornia just before his teen years. Hope someone translates that part soon.
>>342104860
I'm glad that they came back to making these collages for every chapter. They were dope in PW:AA
>>342104178
Apollo is literally JUST: the character.
I really liked him in AJ despite being one upped by the hobo, but he was awful in DD with that unnatural shoehorned foreshadowing about muh bestie and then edgelord mode. And while I don't know the full story of his past revealed in Spirit of Justice, it sounds absolutely garbage.
JUST HOLD ME
FATHER OF THE YEAR
>>342105858
>>342105390
>>342104110
>>342100305
This foster dad seems like a cool guy.
Apollo is getting a little bit too excited for Trucy.
>>342105278
>hobo outfit is not an unlockable Phoenix costume
W H Y
>>342106351
It's okay, she's only his half-sister.
>>342098753
Shut up nigger, Apollo is fine.
>>342105278
That was easily one of the worst things to happen to the series.
>>342106670
>calm and collected phoenix
>worse than a bumbling retard
pls
So, will I have fun with AAI2 if I've been spoiled who the mastermind is already?
>>342106745
Yes, each case is fun in its own right (I was in the same boat as you are)
>>342106745
He's not even Debeste part of the game anyway.
>>342105278
This.
Master manipulator that does illegal shit to get culprits behind bars was the best.
HOW THE FUCK IS GUMSHOE NOT IN THIS GAME BUT THAT SHIT CHARACTER EMA SKYE IS
I AM SO MAD
>>342106745
AA has always been more about proving the villain did it than finding out who they are. Most of the villains in the game are pretty obvious and reveling in their viliainy to be actually enjoyable instead of being obligatory "WHAT A TWEEST" subversions.
Also, it's the best game in the series and much superior to AAI1.
>>342106745
it's the best game in the series
the mastermind's one of 4-5 great villains anyway
>>342106863
>make a bumbling retard a master ruseman in AA4
>excellent breath of fresh air to his character; highlights the fact that phoenix's seen some real shit
>suddenly retardify him again when AA5 happens and he gets his badge back
why
hobo phoenix was da bes
SHIT CHARACTERS
>Klavier
>Ema Skye
>Trucy
Why do they always bring them back every game
>>342107075
Gumshoe is most likely dead by now, pal.
>>342107075
Ema is awesome.
>>342107292
He was in one case of AJ as a cameo, if he died the other characters should at least address it, not fucking write him out, FUCK YOU CAPCOM
>>342107075
Ema is a better character than Dick "I'm a fucking retard with a heart of gold character that has been done a gazillion times already" Gumshoe.
Apollo's backstory
>Born with the two "horns" on his head
>Father died in a fire
>Mother had her memory erased in a rehearsal
>Foster dad adopted him and met his foster brother Nayuta
>For whatever reason, went back to Japanifornia for his teen years
>Met Clay, his best friend
>Few years later, won his first case by forgery
>Few months later, Clay got murdered and Apollo went full edgelord
>Few months later, met his foster father again
>Foster father told him that everything about his father was destroyed by the fire and didn't know about what happened to Thalassa
>Phoenix stayed silent about the issue
>Foster father died
>Apollo stays in Kurain until the justice system is fixed.
>Apollo and Trucy has yet to find out they're related by their mother.
What a fucking mess. Apollo seems like a normal boy. Why give him this kind of backstory?
>>342107075
He's happily settled down with Maggie and retired.
Hopefully.
>>342107169
>suddenly retardify him again when AA5 happens and he gets his badge back
reminder that when you are playing as APollo or Athena he still has the same cool personality from AJ. The only reason he seems like a retard in his cases is because you aren't watching him through rose colored glasses.
Didn't like Dual Destinies that much.
Apollo didn't get much character growth.
Athena's gimmick wasn't much fun.
Parts between court sessions felt really dumbed down.
No real development of Blackquill's character, even though he was a lot more interesting prosecutor than Klavier.
And worst of all where was best character?Gumshoe
>>342106792
>>342107145
>>342107159
Alright, good to know, downloading it.
>>342107462
Why does everyone related to Apollo dies?
>>342107286
A thousand fucking times this
People calling Athena and Kay mary sues haven't seen fucking Klavier
>>342107376
>awesome
>annoying snackoo meme
>not likeable
>passive aggressive towards strangers
>doesn't get a dressing down like Gumshoe despite being far more incompetent
>makes Apollo do her detective work with stupid minigames
>>342107453
and this faggot just described Phoenix, Apollo, Larry Butz, at times Edgeworth, well done. Ema Skye is yet another bland soulless waifu for you people to fap over and Gumshoe stood out far more than her, we already have Trucy, Maya, Athena, etc etc etc to serve this purpose. Your shit taste comes down to wanting a green pants flavour of waifu.
>>342107558
I wouldn't mind this if you know, it were ever addressed. He was a pretty important character to just write out in place of random characters like Ema.
>>342107286
Nigga, I'll fight you. Trucy is best daughteru.
>>342107462
What?
>>342107838
This is the so called "horns"
>>342107774
And she was bitter about not getting her dream job.
Now that she has it she's considerable more chill
>>342107664
>character inconsistency is A-OK
>>342107774
Phoenix is not retarded.
Apollo is still very inexperienced, not a retard.
Edgeworth is just tsundere.
Larry I agree, he's a terrible character.
>>342108050
There's no way she could be worse than she already was, but I don't see the point of bringing her back over and over. She's just not an interesting character. AAI2 introduced a lot of better characters but they refuse to bring them back or make AAI3. At this point being in AAI is just an excuse to write the character out of the franchise if you aren't Edgeworth.
>>342108095
>inconsistency
ENGLISH RELEASE FUCKING WHEN?
>>342105523
Yeah, the standard character art for everything was really boring, no idea why they ever went back to that, this shit's dope
Playing as Athena is the best thing about her. As an assistant she's just a genki girl, but as a player character we can see her actually competent side. Apollo as a player character is too close to Phoenix, personality-wise.
>>342108153
Larry came back in this game and Gumshoe didn't. Now I'm not asking for much, just mention why Gumshoe is not taking part in any of the cases when he's been around now for 20 years in the police force, did he just die? Did he retire? What the fuck. I care more about him than all these shitty characters like Klavier or Larry who we've seen 10,000 times already and gotten all this development for some reason.
>>342106745
No, but you will keep seeing more duplicitous shit behind everything Ray says, they foreshadow it pretty well
>>342104618
Yes.
>>342107764
>everyone
What?
Do they have a reason why they removed Gumshoe? Is it because he won't appeal to the young audience or something?
>>342108543
Because every detective we've seen in the second triliogy is crooked.
>>342108543
They changed detectives at AJ's new cast and are just following up from that, there doesn't seem to be much of an ulterior motive here
>>342108502
Not exactly everyone but you get what I mean
>Thalassa lost her memory
>Musician dad died in a fire
>Trucy gets arrested
>Clay got murdered
>Foster father died
Nayuta is safe for now.
>>342108543
because they had such amazing replacements such as Ema "sticks snackoos and dicks in my eye" Skye and Fulbright. In fairness Fulbright was a great idea, although you'd think Gumshoe would come back for what is apparently the "final" most importantest AA game.
Not having him in here is shitting on the character and all the fans who liked him in the past games, but bring back fucking Klavier and Ema a million times. There are sooooo many returning characters but they specifically hate Gumshoe.
>>342108736
Oh, come off it. He's a great character but he's also been in six fucking games, it's not like he's "been shat on". They just wanted a new dynamic.
>>342108590
>>342108630
It wouldn't hurt a little to have a little cameo or a single mention of him? Gumshoe has yet to have some sort of hint to what he's doing in the second trilogy.
>>342108736
>you'd think Gumshoe would come back for what is apparently the "final" most importantest AA game.
It isn't, there is a clear sequel hook after the credits.
>>342108736
Guy already had six games, five where he had a main role.
You can fuck off right now.
>>342103251
Many people nowadays tend to talk about how Phoenix should fade into obscurity, because his arc was finished in T&T when he finally became as competent as Mia. However him becoming a boss and a mentor for Apollo and Athena could really work out as next chapter, if it's done correctly.
I would really like to see Phoenix struggle with his new position as a boss. DD was kinda doing something with it, but it was pretty scarce.
And it's really nice to see how far has he gone from his first trial.
>>342108830
Well Edgeworth is the chief prosecutor so he's either retired from detective work and became a secretary or he's working with other prosecutors.
It doesn't make much sense to have gumshoe work with either Gavin or Simon.
>>342108816
We already had the "new dynamic" in AJ and it sucked and everyone hated it. Then they bring it back again, not even a new detective, must insert Ema the Mary Sue into all games.
After being in the Gant case, besides DD, Ema has been in every. Single. Fucking. Game. AAI1, AAI2 and now AA6.
>>342108872
Sure he could be in future games, but how long will that be from now? 2 years for the game, 3-4 years for the localisation, or 5-6 for the fan translation? It's fucking bullshit.
>>342108953
He's a better character than Klavier, Ema and Larry and they all got into this game. He should be in 10 games before those three characters, and it's not like Athena or Phoenix are anything special either.
your argument may have any ground with DD or AJ where he has a cameo, but no, we've had 3 games now without him but bringing back every single other character. He doesn't need a "main role" just make him a 3D model finally and give any indication of what he's doing, IDFC about Ema, Maya, Trucy, Pearl and Klavier but we MUST know what they're fucking doing every year.
>>342109006
DD was also his first real case in court since the whole falsified evidence thing, so he naturally was a little bit rusty.
Can't tell about the new game, but logically he should be more of a proper boss figure now.
>>342109173
>Every game
>What is JFA and T&T
>>342109018
It still seems a bit weird that Phoenix never bothers to mention about him in DD and SoJ.
>>342109306
Gant's case was made after JFA and T&T as an extra for the DS remake. Prepare for many (you)s informing you you're a retard.
>>342109173
>We already had the "new dynamic" in AJ and it sucked and everyone hated it.
no we didn't, people hated the cases and the writing, not the new characters
grump ema is far from a sue either
Why does the second trilogy feel inconsistent?
AJ was more on Phoenix's disbarment
DD was more on Athena and the DARK AGE OF LAW
SoJ was more on Apollo's backstory
>>342109849
either you are too underage to remember the hate or a liar. Everyone hated Ema and Klavier was only like by fan girls and fags, which one are you?
But please inform me how Ema is such an amazing character and not an annoying unlikeable cunt in AJ.
>>342109849
>new characters
>Zak Gramayre, Kristoph, Klavier, Wocky, Thalassa, Ema Skye
not him but AJ had the most hated characters in the series, easily, including Ema. I would guess this is an accident where fans assumed Gumshoe would be back but actively wanted Ema so we got this. It's a huge shame because Ema is a shit character.
>>342110143
Kristoph is good though.
>>342109424
Oh, you meant the period after RFtA was released. My bad.
>>342110350
Kristoph is involved in the mess of Zak Gramayre, Thalassa and Hobo Phoenix's awful plot, plus he's so calm that there's no atmosphere or drama when dealing with him, and his ultimate takedown (oh there's a jury so you lose lol) was lame. Compared to the other main villains like Karma, Engarde or Godot, he's so ineffectual and barely appears in the game anyway.
Personally also fucking hate his gay ass design. Klavier is a faggy enough but makes any sense, Kristoph is meant to be a serious prosecutor but dresses like a douche hippie. Compare to von Karma, Gant, Blaise, he looks so out of place.
>>342109849
What AJ characters?
>Apollo was a non character while Phoenix was the backseat driver protagonist of the story. His backstory was irrelevant to his character and he only got any actual development in DD.
>Klavier is the actual most "perfect" flawless mary sue in the series. The fact he manages to get off the hook blameless while Daryan and Kristoph are thrown under the bus only emphasizes it more.
>Trucy is just the panties gimmick and is still obsessed with her father and following in his footsteps after him being a horrible unlikable person. The character arc to give her some actual development practically writes itself.
>Kristoph was an incompetent villain who barely even got a chance to revel in his villainy, most of his screen time is in the fucking first case to make him the biggest anti climax in the series. Also, his motivation is because a clearly insane man turned him down as his defense attorney.
>>342110787
You realize you can have a personality without being the main focus of the story, right? Apollo has a distinct personality that contrasts to Trucy pretty well. I swear the people going "lol panties" for Trucy are the same going "lol burgers" for Maya, too.
>yfw chinese bootleg Steel Samurai
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=328Zqvnapl4
>>342109953
nigger I was moderating the mess that is court records when it came out and frequented /v/'s threads here
they weren't hated bar klavier
>>342113317
>Most of SoJ OST
>>342113918
Forgot link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TRoGMtsBcsk
>>342109173
>must insert Ema the Mary Sue
god, kill yourself
>>342104860
>Phoenix Wright game
>2 out of 5 cases mains Phoenix Wright
>>342114335
6-1, 6-3 and DLC are Phoenix
>>342098529
Why does every Attorney need a sidekick?
Are they all so incompetent they can't solve a case without any help?
>>342113624
The fact Klavier was hated is kind of important, when he was the prosecutor and one of the most relevant characters to the plot. You may not have seen Ema hate but I saw it everywhere too.
>>342114321
>likes Mary Sues
>doesn't kill himself
>>342114335
it's not a phoenix wright game
>>342110787
>following in his footsteps after him being a horrible unlikable person.
Are you fucking retarded? Trucy didn't know the double life Zak was running. She never saw him during all those years since he left her
>lol panties
That was in DD.
>lol burgers
>lol stealing
>lol science
>>342114607
Ema has mostly been fine, she's actually the character that works best with the charisma vacuum that is Klavier
You really can't call Ema a Mary Sue, what exactly makes her that? The fact that they gave her an actual personality in AJ to differ from Trucy says enough
>>342114624
lel'd mildly
After how shitty DD was, I don't have high hopes for SoJ.
They clearly don't know what to do with the mainline anymore, and they don't even try to have some sort of continuity across games.
Athena is also a terrible character, trying too hard to be the next Maya, and she falls too much in the typical deviantart special snowflake self-insert.
>>342114825
just because Capcom USA is retarded enough to think the games can't sell without Phoenix on the cover doesn't mean it is
they're always called the much more neutral Gyakuten Saiban in Japan, so it doesn't actually matter who you play as
>>342114896
self-insert as who?
>>342114672
Please direct me to her other character traits within AJ then?
She has to at least know the basics of the trial, and she obviously knows he abandoned her for whatever reason. She grew up without him for the majority of her life, but apparently those first 8 years were just that damn impressionable.
And of course, she still faps to magic after all of it's shown in any games after AJ.
>>342114896
t.Mayashitter
>>342114991
The Phoenix shadow is still on the jap logo, dumbass
>>342115080
>>342110787
I don't think that in-game people ever saw Zak as a particularly bad person? Like, randomly leaving and moving around seems to be part and parcel with AA parents, and Zak talking to Phoenix or whatever never comes across as Phoenix having some sort of grudge. It's not like it's just Zak she's following either - her granddad and mom were magicians, too.
>>342115072
The prodigy with special powers who becomes super best pals with the main cast and saves the day in multiple occasions with a dark and tragic past.
>>342115083
Epic argument, Athenafaggot
>>342114714
Lets go through all of Ema's appearance to highlight how pointless and bad she is as a character
>1-5: Phoenix's sidekick, personality is a slightly more annoying version of Maya, redundant and largely exists for explaining DS minigames like blowing into the mic
>AJ: No interaction with Klavier or other characters so has no development, aggrieves Apollo constantly as the millionth character to do this as a NPC in this series, again exist to explain DS minigames and has less plot relevance than in AJ
>AAI: A cameo that serves as fan service.
>AAI2: Ditto.
>AA6: Now gets to fully replace Gumshoe as the detective in the mainline games because waifu I guess.
As far as being a Mary Sue, how about her being a genius scientist who casually brings out every forensic device known to man. She gets no comeuppance, no development as she rapes Apollo with snackoos and is an annoying bitch to everyone. Klavier is much much worse I'll give you that, but Ema is in far more games and somehow presented as likeable. She should be one of the characters whipped by Franziska and bullied by everyone for it to even begin to be likeable if you aren't a pussy.
>>342115128
They can't put three lawyers in the logo, so they go with the oldest
>>342115080
>I mashed A without reading
Not my fault you don't remember how Trucy acts
>>342099570
>Female final boss
About time desu
Even Dhalia got upstaged by that overrated shithead.
>>342115318
Weren't we talking about AJ? Her appearances in AAI1/2 are fucking awful, and 1-5's is kind of whatever, for sure. Don't change the subject.
She gets comeuppance through not being a scientific investigator, which is kind of a major point. She already failed her dream. Mary Sues aren't known for not succeeding and being grumpy assholes.
>>342115519
I'd argue Dahlia still very much feels like the final boss of T&T
the real female final boss that gets upstaged horribly is this
>>342115318
>Gumshoe
>LOL PAL I'M SO DUMB PAL LOL I FORGOT PAL XDD CONTRADICTION IN MY TESTIMONY PAL LOL MY SALARY PAL
God I fucking hate you Gumshoefags. Literally in every game except AA5 and AA6 and now NOOOOOOOOOO WHERE MUH GUUUMSHOOOOEEE?!?!? :(((((
Fuck off.
>>342115628
I don't agree with that guy but this kind of flanderizing, all caps posts are bordering on shitposting. Fucking don't.
>>342115278
The fact Zak isn't treated as the villain as he is in-universe is one of the biggest problems of AJ for me. Kristoph is the only character allowed to have any blame for anything from a narrative perspective - hell, the writer treats Valant with more disdain.
All I'm saying is this would've been an obvious route to develop the character of Trucy and that I find it very one dimensional and strange as is. AAI2 over there has some actual villainous parents presented in the proper light.
>>342115548
I have always been talking about Ema as an overall character, she sucks in every appearance she's in, and your argument is "oh maybe she won't suck in this new game!"
No, I don't want that stupid character in the game, let alone replacing a fan favorite who is surreptitiously written out without explanation.
>>342115628
>in every game except the two most recent games that made the transition to 3D
oh jeez I wonder why Gumshoe fans want him in these games, it's almost as if literally every fucking terrible character has made it into AA5/6 except him.
Please defend Klavier, Larry, Athena being in over Gumshoe. I'll be waiting, faggot.
>>342115820
You don't see Franziskafags sperging about her not being in 3D games.
Gumshoe simply doesn't have a purpose in the new games.
Is Professor Layton vs. Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney worth playing through? I haven't really played much Layton games.
>>342115943
Franziska was shit in AA2, lets be honest. Gumshoe is a better character than her period.
I also didn't know Franziska even had fans outside of fappers/shippers. She's not likeable, and not even that good of a prosecutor, decidedly below average like much of JFA.
>>342115739
I think most of what came to light about Zak is mostly in 4-4, which means there isn't much character development possible there. And then there was the pre-DD gap in the games until Capcom thought it was needed to force Phoenix into the new one, leaving little space for development like that. It's more on DD's head than AJ's.
That's not saying AJ isn't massively flawed writing wise, it is and it's definitely the weakest game, but I don't think in AJ itself there could've been more to that particular route. I kind of hate how they left open the Lamiroir bullshit at the end of AJ rather than solving that, though. It would've been the place for that.
>>342115820
You were literally talking about "when the game was released" and AJ, see >>342109953
. Fix your short-term memory, dingus.
>>342116079
Franziska really came into her own in the AAI games and T&T, though honestly she gets shafted in JFA because she only gets two cases to prosecute, one of which is the worst in the series.
She's actually pretty good in 2-2.
I hope the villain isn't a last minute asspull again like Phantom
Literally the worst villain.
>tfw will never have GOAT villains like Engarde or Mastermind
>>342116095
Yes she sucks a lot in AJ and that's her biggest appearance, everything else is but a cameo, that is the offensive part here. She now gets another main role off the back of being such a shit character in what, 4 fucking games? Fucking ridiculous.
>>342116193
Franziska was very poorly executed and definitely suffered from being introduced in JFA. Besides the final case that game is utter shit. Still not like that's much of a defence, I have never seen anyone who cares much about her, she's just there.
>>342100674
Some idiot thought it would be a funny idea to just throw away 7 years of the characters life for no reason.
>>342116402
She's pretty good in AJ, she's meant to have good chemistry with the prosecutor and act off him, which she does. It makes sense to bring her back for SoJ too, if DD's plot didn't require her to not appear she would've likely been in there too.
Everything that wasn't 1-5 or AJ has been dumb cameos, you can't judge a character by that. It's like judging Gumshoe by his AJ appearance.
>>342116526
And then some idiot thought it would be a funny idea to just soft-reset everything and throw away all those 7 years of development out the window for no reason, back to "le nervous bluff attorney" persona.
>>342116298
>Engarde
>GOAT
It was great to take him down, but he was a terrible villain
>>342114896
I didn't like DD, thought its text was trying too hard to be funny and ended up being cringy many times. it annoyed me a lot.
But SoJ is definitely one of my favorites. they improved it in every way.
Not like the AAI to GK2 evolution though, I enjoyed Divination Séance more than Mood Matrix. The ending was also more satisfying than DD.
>>342099727
It wasn't the finale.
>>342116601
Wait, she has interaction with Klavier at some point? I don't remember anything like that.
As for comparing her in the several cameos, lets be honest, Ema's cameos are a lot bigger overall than Gumshoe's in the mainline series after T&T. Seeing as I don't remember her having any interactions with Klavier or serving any purpose I don't see why she would be brought back, and it's not as if she has been on a huge break from the series. Definitive example of overexposure of a lame background character, may as well be Ox King.
>>342116758
He's an incredible simple villain, it's great. He has no grand scheme or anything, he's just an asshole who wants to murder someone and hires an assassin.
One of the reasons I think 2-4 works so well is because its basic plot is incredibly simple, but it gets complicated and interesting because of character interaction. There aren't many one-off characters that get as much depth (or purposeful non-depth) as the trio of de Killer, Engarde, and Andrews.
>>342116762
How did you consume SoJ? Compare it to AAI2 directly in terms of villains, that is the high bar for the series imo.
>>342099049
at least she's fuggable, unlike apollo
>>342116884
>Wait, she has interaction with Klavier at some point? I don't remember anything like that.
Maybe... try replaying the game sometime? You're barely remembering. Yes, she does. That's kind of who she interacts with a lot, and they constantly shittalk each other.
>>342115434
I mean, I guess you can call fapping to Klavier like a standard issue fangirl characterization. I'm more concerned why you find this likable in any way and not annoying. I'll just say we have very different taste and leave it at that.
When is this out?
>>342117072
I replayed the game a month ago and there's nothing there. Maybe a few lines exchanged back and forth at most?
It's about 1% as substantive as Gumshoe and Edgeworth's friendship, and 0% as interesting or fun.
>>342116762
To me, DD's biggest flaw is that it tried way too hard to be all GRAND and EPIC, but it was just bland.
The whole game played it too safe and there was a bunch of cringe moments like most of 5-3 and that "speech" they give to the phantom before he breaks
>>342116962
I disagree. I think he was way too one-dimensional for me to take seriously and was way too fucking stupid to take seriously with trying to blackmail a top tier assassin that could kill you anytime.
The whole case was a disappointment to me though. Way too overhyped just because of "WOW blackmail" and "your client is the culprit bit". Didn't like a single character either.
>>342117223
It's actually pretty significant, especially in court where Klavier constantly talks down on her, and during investigation where she constantly talks down on Klavier. When they meet, which does happen a bunch, they have this passive-aggressive relationship that's pretty funny.
I can't really argue this with you if you don't actually remember the game, sorry.
>playing T&T second case
>manage to finish the crime in one trial day, we truly are the ace attornies
>back in lobby
>ron is now convicted for murder because you proved he wasn't able to steal the urn
>>342117253
>most of 5-3
most of 5-3 was fucking awesome
>>342117357
I think you are fan fictioning this up a lot because I don't remember anything about this, probably like how this guy makes up Trucy having a personality >>342115434
I may have played this game more recently than you and what you said just sounds made up at worst, very exaggerated at best.
>>342098529
>Worst girl as the main attorney
Read: I'm a Mayafag! Yay for having to save my damsel waifu again!
>Weeaboo as your assistant
Blackquill was pretty great though.
>Clown as one of the characters
This could be either very bad (Moe) or very good (Simon).
>Too Japanese
Eat your hamburgers, Apollo
>>342117460
This.
I don't understand why people are so autistic and just can't enjoy a good case that doesn't take itself seriously all the time.
>>342117518
You didn't, I'm marathoning this series right now before SoJ comes out. You're skipping text, or something, I don't fucking know. The entirety of 4-3 day one is Klavier pulling a fast one on Ema.
>Want to like this series
>it's enjoyable and the characters are fun
>Can't finish a trial beyond the first one because nothing ever makes sense to me
I'm too dumb for this series, managed to finish the first one moreo rl ess without a guide, the second one was just impossible and it burned me out. Seeing the solutions brings me no joy, but trial error is fucking tedious. Had no issues with danganronpa though, liked the small dig that they did with the swimsuit.
>>342117638
oh, but they aren't even on screen at the same time? sure there's some back and forth but it's nothing special and I mean, maybe it was under developed or rushed, but certainly a lot shittier than Gumshoe's interactions in the original trilogy. I don't know why you'd want more of it other than it being "different."
Do you need to know moonrunes to "play" AA6? Any translations out already? Any impressions of the game?
>>342117759
>liking Danganronpa
>>342117773
What? They're in the same court room talking to each other, and they're in investigation scenes together as well.
Look, you can like Edgeworth and Gumshoe's relationship more (I do too, but it's also partially because they have five games together as opposed to one), but you can't say that she doesn't interact with Klavier or that she's a Mary Sue in AJ (or beyond, most likely). Tastes differ, but that's just bullshit.
>>342117884
It's more or less the same shit but easier and with logic that I can follow. What can I say.
>>342117884
>Not liking Danganronpa
HOPEman makes the entire series worth it.
>>342117884
It's out in the West in September
>>342117460
Not him, but to be honest 5-3 had its small dose of cringe, the main contender is probably Hugh screaming in the anime cutscene. Reenactment of the mock trial was kinda stupid too, I feel that it was made just to somehow shoehorn Klavier into the game.
Despite that, it's still my favorite non-DLC chapter from Dual Destinies.
>>342117759
The Frank Sahwit case is basically a demo, I'd say the case after that is a tutorial, and the third case is your first full case. Not going to lie, getting stuck on this guy is kind of pathetic.
Most of the later games all greatly reference the first one, but if you want an easier game I'd suggest Dual Destinies - people complained that was too easy if anything, but if you can't get fucking past Redd White, it should be fine for you.
>>342118123
5-3 had bad moments for sure, but /v/ has this tendency to blow up bad moments and forget literally everything else
The entirety of day 2 is fucking hilarious, with both Hugh and Means amping it up. Scuttlebutt is great fun, too.
>>342117946
>5 games as opposed to 1
Therein lies the problem, why would I want to replace Gumshoe and Edgeworth with Ema and Klavier? They're just outright shittier in every way and have worse chemistry and are worse characters. I mean, if you like that, okay, but there's no objective way to argue it's better than what we had, even just surrogating Gumshoe to a new character would be better. Granted it's not going to have the depth we had but it's less half assed.
Also who else is there to even look to for a bro friendship anymore? Apollo and Phoenix is some weird mentor/father relationship, and all the main characters are female or autists like Blackquill and Edgeworth (not to say they're bad, but they're not normal people).
>>342117947
>>342117964
DR1 is mostly abstract and subversive crap, though I didn't mind some of the middle cases, Junko is an awful villain and her twist ruined the second game. Nagito's case and the preceding DR2 are cool, but the last case is a worse abomination than anything in AA. The happy ending ruins the franchise.
>>342117964
This guy is pretty much the entirety of what made the second game worth it. The whole game went to shit after he's gone in the last chapter.
>>342118294
Because at a certain point stories are just over and done with? They really can't do much else with Gumshoe except either killing him or marrying to Maggey and living a retired life in Allebahst. Gumshoe is great, but they got pretty much out of him what they wanted, and it's time for new characters to come in.
Which is also why I was slightly miffed with DD pulling the reset button on people like Phoenix, who actually changed a bit, to go back to being trilogy Phoenix. You see the writers talk in interviews about being forced to come up with more and more wacky scenarios where Phoenix can be at a disadvantage somehow because he's such an overwhelming character at this point. Edgeworth is a little more okay because he's more of a cameo.
>>342118172
No man, I finished the first game. Without many issues too, I lost here and there but the logic made sense. That stupid fucking vase though.
The second was just gibberish for me. Nothing really made any sense to me so I just tried stuff at random or read a guide until I finshed the game. Got burned out of the whole series afte this. I heard that the third game is the best, but it follows the logic threads of justice for all and I don't want to go throught that again.
>>342118294
Looking at the amount of Ema/Klavier rapefics I'd say people like them because they can ship them.
>>342118294
>Doesn't understand the meaning of having other characters in the story once their role is over
>"why can't I brofist my bro ;_;"
Oh shit, is memester.
>>342118696
To be fair, the second game is probably the most bullshit, difficulty wise. There's a lot of shit that is just plain unintuitive.
I wouldn't say later games are easier, per se, but they make SENSE.
>>342118575
The appeal of Gumshoe is having a normal guy who could be an actual detective in real life as a likeable sidekick at times and one who always makes you laugh and now has some nostalgic value. Why does he have to be written out just because this has been done before? Ema's role is no less redundant. We've had plenty of generic females in every role now who have a similar personality. She's nothing special. On the other hand, name me heterosexual males who aren't autistic or obviously appealing to fan girls in this series who have a main role.
Gumshoe's role was important for having any sense of reality in this series, may as well have defendants be aliens and ghosts at this point.
>>342118905
Yeah because Ema's such a great character and not there for reasons like >>342118905
Will Phoenix finally marry Maya?
>>342119074
meant to quote>>342118751
>>342118696
My mistake. I can definitely see getting stuck on some of the sillier logic in the first 3 cases of the second game and the filler cases of the third game.
The second game is pretty skippable. The only plot relevance going forward is the second case which is shit, and the last case is pretty irrelevant even if it is one of the best.
If you've played the first game you probably have enough knowledge of the series to try the AAI titles which have a pretty different style for figuring things out. If you're just looking for the cream of the crop and being this picky with the games, try AAI2.
>>342119074
>We've had plenty of generic females in every role now who have a similar personality.
Who?
>>342119134
No. They only Fey Phoenix was interested in was Mia.
>>342119243
well she's unique in AJ but she's shit and barely used, in every other game she's a naive sidekick cameo so that'd be
>maya, athena, pearl, trucy, franziska in AAI, mia in 5-1/4
As a detective we've had 3 and one was Fulbright so it's really 2, but if you're going to promote Ema to that role, why not promote IDK, Larry? It's totally random and unwanted just for the sake of it being more "diverse & different."
>>342119074
He's not written out because he has been done before, but because he was created to interact with Edgeworth, in the same way Maya was created to interact with Phoenix. Characters don't exist in a vacuum.
I'm not really sure what would make Ema unrealistic or redundant, either, as a detective? She seems pretty normal.
>>342119469
none of those characters are remotely similar, especially
>mia
>franziska
>pearl
are you fucking kidding me
>>342119545
>been done before
so they wrote out Phoenix, Edgeworth, Trucy, Apollo, Klavier, Larry? Wait no, they keep bringing them back. Gumshoe's friendship with Edgeworth was developed over many games, he could have some development in another direction, how about not making him a literal hobo in the street? That'd be a nice way to give him any kind of conclusion.
also don't kid about Ema being remotely realistic. There's no detective IRL who resembles that donut.
>>342119618
>ignores the fact I said Franziska in AAI and Mia as a protagonist in T&T
Well if you mash up what I said I can see why it'd confuse you
>>342119816
franziska in AAI and mia in T&T aren't remotely similar to any of those others either, what the hell are you on about
>>342119469
>franziska and mia
>naive
Are you fucking retarded? No, seriously, are you retarded?
>>342119816
There's no lawyer IRL who resembles Phoenix or Edgeworth. What the hell is your point? Ema's personality isn't wacky or out-there, she's pretty down to earth.
>so they wrote out Phoenix, Edgeworth, Trucy, Apollo, Klavier, Larry? Wait no, they keep bringing them back.
Yes, which is also stupid. I completely expect Gumshoe to have a cameo in AA7 too, to appease people who only ever want the old characters to come back again and again.
>>342098529
That case is actually alright.
Case 1 is kinda standard first case tier stuff with some interesting plot details revealed during and after it,
Cases 2, 3 (yes even 3) and 4 (granted it's an extended courtroom sequence instead of a full investigation + courtroom deal for some reason) are fun
Case 5 is your typical big dumb melodramatic finale with obligatory "shocking" plot revelations that'll probably be moot by the next game anyway
AA6 is solid. Personally I can't help but feel sorta tired of the series though. I'm not really getting attached to any of the recurring new characters and I'm sorta indifferent towards the direction taken with the older ones. I think this is more a personal thing than an objective flaw with the games themselves though.
