Time for a serious discussion, lads.
CDPR has proven that they have what it takes to make a fully-developed world that is engrossing, epic, and chock-full of glorious minutiae.
Given the skill of the studio, can we reasonably expect Cyberpunk 2077 to actually be the best game ever made? Not only does it explore a setting which is rarely seen in any medium (due to the ambition and vision required to realize it without compromise), but CDPR is committed to a level of authenticity which is unprecedented. Here's an example:
>Lead writer Sebastian Stępień said the game will have non-player characters speaking in non-English languages.[8] Player characters who don't speak the language will have to buy a translator implant to understand them.[9] Stępień also said they would try to get native speakers to do the voices.[10] Stępień has stated that "You can't reliably recreate [the] street slang of Los Angeles or some other American city; you can't simply dub it and reproduce those emotions, rhythm of speech, mannerisms... Otherwise we'd simply hear that Polish actors are trying to imitate Americans. That won't work."[10]
I'm fervently hoping this game will set a new industry standard for what can be achieved in an open-world setting. The fact it's cyberpunk is just that much more salivating. Just imagine actually being able to fully explore a world like Blade Runner's. If the final product matches the ambition, this could go down as an all-time great entry.
Are you guys looking forward to it? Hopes and concerns? Any news to share? Would like to hear your thoughts.
>>342037729
Also, no Witcher spoilers please.
>>342037834
Yeah, I haven't even touched Witcher 3 yet. Hope folks can respect that, but even requesting no spoilers may just egg on the trolls...
The combat will be shit.
I'm guessing the character creator will also be shit because if they could do a good one they would have done it by now instead of forcing you to play as Geralt.
Also if you play as a female you'll be forced to wear bikini armor because CDPR can't design clothing for women that isn't sexist as shit.
/v/ will give it an 11/10 though because it'll be full of boobs.
The cyberpunk genre is largely untapped by AAA games which is a shame. I enjoyed the story of the Witcher but the combat was mediocre.
Seeing how the Witcher just finished up, I think it will be at least another 2-3 years until release.
>>342037729
Ask me when we actually see some gameplay.
>>342037834
Seriously this
I don't want to see how Ciri dies
I love the Witcher. It was such an capturing world and lore and characters and monsters. It's very interesting and fun customizing play styles and skill trees and things, but god damn is it clunky as shit when you're actually playing.
I'm sure Cyberpunk will be really interesting and have some cool bits to it, but I don't have a lot of faith that it's going to be quite a contender for "Best game ever" type of praise
It all depends on how they address combat. I'm sure story and setting will be great.
>>342037729
What's the point of trying to discuss a game we know next to nothing about?
I don't even understand what kind of gameplay we'll be getting. Is it first-person? Third person? Is it played from a top isometric perspective if if they are trying to keep with the pen and paper rpgs? Do we even know?
>>342038037
>>342038061
Isn't it possible they learn from their shortcomings and develop a more respectable combat system? Given the freedom of combat a genre like cyberpunk provides, I'm sure there will be some cool, imaginative ways to throw down.
Character creation is central to the identity of the game, so I don't see how the game is even released unless they have that pegged down. This is what the Wiki says:
>character customization [is] strongly tied to the plot
As far as armor for women goes, it's probably a minimal concern. How hard can it actually be to design female armor? It may go against their ideology, but in the SJW world of today, I doubt they'll have any problem appeasing those who want legit armor.
>>342037729
I'm looking forward to it with an extreme amount of cynicism, because if the past few years have taught me anything, it's never let your levels of hype exceed reasonable expectations.
That being said, I do hope it's good.
>>342038107
>>342038423
Just ride the hype wave, friends. The fact such an ambitious project is even being undertaken is enough to make me grateful. The world needs more cyberpunk.
>>342038436
I believe it's first-person, but I'm not sure. There's supposed leaked footage out there, though.
>>342038492
I get that. Still, though—if there's a studio to place your faith in when it comes to world-building, is RED not one of the best? I feel like in the worst-case scenario, 2077 will be a glorious misfire.
>>342038298
Frozen Synapse and Cyberpunk 2077 are the only games worth any hype on that list.
>>342038920
Why not Deus Ex? Isn't the second one considered excellent?
>>342038037
>instead of forcing you to play as Geralt
Confirmed for not understanding the philosophy behind Witcher games
>>342038474
Just look at their pugilism quest in b&w, it speas volumens about their take on femails in combat. They even coment on ves not wearing armour multiple times in the game, and I shouldn't have to point out why sorceresses wear what they do. I don't think cpr will even bother making any change to their female outfits other than adjusting the fit.
>>342039158
Jesus Christ, I think my auto correct had a seizure
Itll be 2077 by the time it comes out
>>342039405
Hahahaha, good one anon. You're pretty funny
>"The project is even more ambitious than we first planned (...) we need to create a game that will be even more successful," [RED CEO] said on Polish TV station TVN24 BiS, as translated by Gamepressure. "We have a long way ahead of us to reach the biggest commercial successes in the world."
>CD Projekt Red did say that it was not planning to discuss the game until 2017 at the earliest.
>According to visual effects artist Jose Teixeira, "Cyberpunk is far bigger than anything else that CD Projekt Red has done before... far, far bigger."
http://www.gamespot.com/articles/cyberpunk-2077-even-more-ambitious-than-originally/1100-6432843/
>>342039158
I haven't actually played any of Witcher III yet. I understand that the females are scantily-clad and right in line with the average gamer's fantasy, but 2077 seems to be a more mature take. I don't think full armor for females will be an issue given the theme of the game. With that said, if they do prove to be incapable of clothing their female characters, that would be pretty disappointing. It wouldn't take away from the game too much, but we definitely don't need to see tits all the time.
I really want the combat to be good and hopefully allpw both first and third person
>>342039501
Thanks pal
![20e5ef9d446b0a3d41f53c1da11dd05b[2].png](https://i.imgur.com/PX78n2M.png "20e5ef9d446b0a3d41f53c1da11dd05b[2].png")
>>342039405
10/10
Literally the most original and greatest joke in the world I've ever hurt
>>342038107
This. It's been 4 years since they announced Releasedate 2077. We can't even look to the Cyberpunk roleplaying setting since that was set 50 years earlier and 80s tech as fuck.
Anyone know the name of the model they used for the trailer?
>>342039664
Thanks pal
>>342038474
They made three witcher games and all three had bad combat. The answer is no.
>>342039781
Personal Responsibility
I'm going to be real blunt and honest with you OP and everyone in here. I'm a huge Cyperpunk fan but if the developers try to appeal to minorities or woman I'm not going to be interested.
The last thing I need is an abundance of blacks, browns, tans, and independent woman walking around the streets or playing as one. I'm so tired of it trying to be a focal point of video games.
The reason I bring this up is because there was a uproar for Witcher 3 not having anyone not white, which is absurd and they then added a black/brown merchant to appeal to them. This to me says that they're going to try and show the world that they're open minded and do some really dumb shit.
man the combat is going to be shit
cdpr just sucks with it throughout the witcher series
>>342039839
That's too cynical for me, senpai.
>>342039781
Katarzyna Danysz
>>342039874
Who cares what the skin color/ethnicity of a character is? It doesn't affect the game in any meaningful way. If they're all white, great; if not, great.
>>342039874
>instead of forcing you to play as Geralt
Made sense in the story
Also, there are going to be black people, gays and transgender and all kind of weird people in C2077 because it's in line with the setting.
>>342037729
That sounds lazy as FUCK. What it boils down to is not outsourcing for decent VAs and having 100 shitty local dicks do random background chatter. Just get Bradley Dee baker to voice all the non essentials.
>>342037729
Excited to see my people on mi barrio primo jaja
>>342040103
How is it lazy? They're going the extra mile by bringing in regional speakers for every language. It's just as good as a top-notch VA, but without the fear of not being able to uphold the suspension of disbelief if the VA's mother tongue slips out every now and then.
>>342038037
>Customizable characters in every game
This is almost as bad as the sandbox meme
>>342039158
It'll probably depend on what role you play the policewoman the trailer wears full armor just like the men and honestly skimpy/trashy clothing is kind of part of the cyberpunk aesthetic.
>>342040045
Wrong quote, excuse me. I wanted to quote that:
>they then added a black/brown merchant to appeal to them
>>342040045
>Also, there are going to be black people, gays and transgender and all kind of weird people in C2077 because it's in line with the setting.
I do agree. This is probably one of the few places where they can get away with having all of those fucked up degenerates and it actually not being *that* out of place. I still think it's shit if they put them in based on fringe group demands. Pretty disgusting, actually.
>>342039874
>>342040010
>Who cares what the skin color/ethnicity of a character is?
It has to do with them shoehorning, pandering and cucking out to people that don't actually give a fuck about their game. It does set a tone for the game and it's not a good one.
>>342038037
underage
>>342039874
>The last thing I need is an abundance of blacks, browns, tans
confirmed for never leaving his shitty little farm. The game is clearly in an urban setting, prepare to have your homogeneous vidya dreams crushed
>>342039874
>The last thing I need is an abundance of blacks, browns, tans, and independent woman
>confirmed for knowing nothing about Cyberpunk
Cyberpunk and Night City have always been a multicultural setting. Or did you just skip over that chargen section?
Heres a fucking picture for you
>>342040453
There are bigger things to worry about than them compromising on ethnic representation, anon. We both know this. Don't let it affect your decision to buy the game. It literally has nothing to do with how the game will play.
Also, as you've acknowledged, there's no bigger melting pot than a futuristic supercity/dystopia.
>>342039874
You play in a futuristic crime-ridden American city why wouldn't have all the above it would be unrealistic if it didn't.
>>342039874
Cyberpunk pnp is dominated by Asians senpai. And Night City is in Commiefornia.
Also the guy who fucking created the tabletop game is black you fags.
>>342039874
>>342039874
>game set in a futuristic american inner city
>"i hope there aren't any black people"
>>342039531
You would be wrong, the only scantily clad women in w3 are prostitutes and dancers. Some of the sorceress' are dressed a little seductively, but for the most part everyone is dressed very conservatively.
>>342038298
I don't think quadrilateral cowboy is ever coming out
>>342038920
>
>>342038298
we really need to make a no idie games rule for these fucking things
>>342039531
>I haven't played the game but let me spout my retarded opinion on it
Please kys
>>342040881
Ah, well, that's good to hear.
Also, here's the most complete article I've been able to find on what's known so far about 2077: http://www.mygamer.com/cyberpunk-2077-preview/
>non-linear story, multiple character classes, and the ability to see in both first-person and third-person views
>play as your own custom character built from a class of your choice
>able to equip cybernetic implants and weapons
>you will be faced with making morally ambiguous choices, and everything you do will influence the world around you
>There are will be multiple languages featured in the game, and some non-player characters are speaking in non-English languages, so you might not always understand them. However, you will be able to buy a translator implant to understand them.
>Set in the metropolis of Night City, Cyberpunk 2077 is also expected to feature sandbox elements
>Cyberpunk 2077 isn’t expected to arrive in stores and for download until next year
>>342039531
>2077 seems to be a more mature take
The trailer literally has a naked chick in it covered in blood about to be shot in the face by some cop guy.
It's not more mature than any other "gamer fantasy"
>>342037729
>CDPR has proven that they have what it takes to make a fully-developed world that is engrossing, epic, and chock-full of glorious minutiae.
>>342041240
kys
>>342041157
>all of 3~4 games are not indie
you're not going to have very big lists
>>342041179
Curb your autism.
>>342041240
She's not naked, and call me crazy, but I doubt the average gamer fantasizes about shooting a woman in her face.
>>342041240
>naked chick
Alright mohammed sounds like that fasting is getting you irritable again.
>>342040641
>Don't let it affect your decision to buy the game.
Oh, I'll still buy it. It just fucking sucks.
>>342038037
>combat will be shit
this will be more gun oriented wont it? they cant fuck that up.
>>342041460
What sucks? The fact that we're living in a world where black people live in cities next to white people?
>>342041412
>>342041157
We should also go ahead and strike off watch dogs 2 because it's going to be shit
>>342038298
that faggy bartender game doesnt count.
I sometimes think you idiots care more about the race issues than the fucking niggers and feminists themselves.
>>342041663
>>342041663
i hope to god the game isn't just a fucking third person coverbased shooter. we've got enough of those fucking games already.
i'd like to see something different. perhaps something like KOTOR or KOTOR 2 combat.
>>342038298
Is anything beyond the first line worth a shit? It all looks like indie crap.
>>342041678
>What sucks? The fact that we're living in a world where black people live in cities next to white people?
If that's your argument, then I don't know if you're trolling, stupid or if you just didn't look at the conversation chain.
Either way... I can't help you.
>>342041932
frozen synapse was a cool game and the sequel is shaping up to be even better
>>342041932
Copper Dreams looks OK
>>342042039
its a pretty stupid complaint in the first place dude. theres a reason why everyone is blowing you off
>>342042039
So you want the developers to diverge from the source material in order to appeal more to a subset of white people? Why?
>>342042039
A cyberpunk game is literally the best place for a multicultural setting. I mean I wouldn't like blatant pandering but if you're just angry that people aren't white in a futuristic shithole then I don't know what to tell you
>>342038298
>Watch Dogs 2
>cyberpunk
>>342042696
It is technically cyberpunk. Doesn't mean it isn't shit though.
>>342038225There are endings where she lives. All depends on how you play
>>342037729
I would honestly have preferred to see them adapt Shadowrun, out of all the cyberpunk style tabletops, yet I am still cautiously optimistic.
>>342042954
>adapt Shadowrun
>faggy elves and wizards and shit
don't you have a dwarf somewhere to jerk off
>>342043136
Why do you show up in every thread
>>342037729
I'm looking forward to it but I'm not going to over-hype it like you just did.
>>342042954
I'd have liked Shadowrun more too but as long as they deliver on a massive, good Cyberpunk game, I'm happy.
>>342042758
>Near future dystopia
Modern era
>The nature of man and technology blurs
Smartphones
>Individualism versus corporate super states
Hardly
It at best is "digipunk" or "modernitypunk" or "masturbatory hacker fiction set in the current era" it's not Cyberpunk.
>>342042758
Press X to Biggest Hack of The History isn't really any more cyberpunk than your average crime show's take on hacking.
>>342043264
first time I've made that comment in a while, so I guess others agree
Shadowrun already has 2 companies output for it, and is mostly a thing that exists because autistic DnD fans couldn't manage to wrap their brains round something that didn't need special races or bullshit powers
>>342038298
>watch dogs
>cyberpunk
>>342043504
cyberpunk was, at it's heart, always about anarchy vs. "the man." The computer hacking, small hacker groups taking down corporations/corrupt politicians show this. Same way Perfect Dark is technically cyberpunk. Take a chill pill bruh
>>342043136
I'd rather be hunting down Deckers at the behest of a Dragon CEO.
>>342043452
My thoughts exactly. It's been years since I last played a good cyberpunk game and I trust CDPR to deliver.
![CBsM5GeUkAA1t1w-thumb[1].png](https://i.imgur.com/0kcjOT6.png "CBsM5GeUkAA1t1w-thumb[1].png")
>>342043841
>hunting down Deckers
I'd like to see you try
>>342037729
>no news on the game
>nada
>zip
>zilch
>Time for a serious discussion
>>342041932
Quadrilateral Cowboy is cool retro spy hacking FPS built on Doom 3 from a veteran game dev.
>>342043571
The mechanics of it don't matter so much as the setting does. Mr. Robot is also cyberpunk, which I'm sure is what you were referring to. It not being full of pick-mowhawk people with robot arms and eyes doesn't mean it isn't cyberpunk. It's not an aesthetic genre like steampunk. What matters is the philosophy behind it.
>>342044076
pink*
>>342043775
PUNK is the element of individualism vs. hegemony.
CYBER is the element of blurring the concept of nature, technology and how mankind will adapt or be consumed.
You can argue the PUNK for Watchdogs 2 a little, but not the CYBER to any degree.
>>342043841
>a dragon ceo
>not a half-crazed rogue AI that thinks its part of the voodoo pantheon
>not a man with vast wealth whose experimental immortality tech has turned him into a vat of flesh, but still retains his power through his employed enforcers and virtual presence
>>342037729
>Thinking stuff from 2013 will still happen
Are you guys retarded? This is from when they thought W3 would be out in 2014 and Cyberpunk in 2015.
>we will never have a good Blade Runner game
Why live.
Do you guys wan't to here my idea for one?
>>342043632
>Shadowrun already has games
And they're all shit. A CDPR one might do the setting justice.
PERSONAL
>>342041221
I don't expect most that to happen Thebull94. But I will laugh when you try to use that to attack Cyberpunk 2077.
>>342044551
Wasn't Westwoods old adventure game pretty good? Never played it myself, but I heard good things.
>>342043775
no, cyberpunk is scifi tech in a authoritarian/dystopian world.
how about you read a cyberpunk book first before you tell us what cyberpunk is.
>this is what a cyberpunk world looks like
>>342044383
Fair points and they'd all make great BBEG's.
>>342044292
>Cyberpunk is a subgenre of science fiction in a future setting that tends to focus on the society of the proverbial "high tech low life";[1][2] featuring advanced technological and scientific achievements, such as information technology and cybernetics, juxtaposed with a degree of breakdown or radical change in the social order.
While I can't defend the lack of cybernetics, the fact that cellphones used for hacking, while not as flashy as making a deck to surf the matrix, is still a pretty big technological achievement. The fact that computers dominate everything, and therefore are hackableeven if it is a stupid mechanicshow this. I think the "radical change" in the social order speaks for itself, what with the plot being centered around a group of hackers bringing down corporations/politicians, thereby changing the status quo.
It may be a little light in the areas we usually associate with "true cyberpunk" but I think the argument that it is technically a cyberpunk game is still strong.
>>342039874
How are you a cyberpunk fan if you don't know what a big sprawling city setting entails?
>>342044748
I've read most of Gibson's books and that shitty snow crash book yo. Just because it isn't cyberpunk aesthetically doesn't mean the philosophical elementswhich is really the entire point of cyberpunkaren't there.
>>342039874
Cyberpunk as a genre is inherently about people on the fringe of society and as such is as natural a place for minority characters as anything else. If you're retarded enough to decree Neuromancer as being SJW for having a "strong womyn" in a leading role than I don't know what to say to you.
And that's before we look at the intersection of transhumanist body modification and queer identities.
>>342044076
No I mean
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=msX4oAXpvUE
This isn't any different than pushing a button on your phone and making the traffic lights change. It's the same old hacking the gui interface nonsense but with 2 they're pushing the "non-problematic anonymous using mey-meys to fight the system" angle and setting it in San Fran 2 minutes into the future.
>>342044793
>Future
Did you even read your own source...?
And yes, well done, you can make a vague argument for PUNK elements.
Nothing for CYBER.
Go read Snow Crash or watch Bladerunner.
You will see, /v/
The full power of CDPROJEKTRED in a TRUE RPG! Choice, variety, beautiful graphic.. It will BLOW FALLOUT 4! It will be a harsh competitor to the fallout serie because bethesda has told us undirectly by fallout 4 and 3 that they aren't interested to give the serie the love it need like they did with the elder scrolls.
This will be a tought fight. Until cyberpunk 2077, bethesda should hope that the game will be a big failure.. or else.
Cute chaotic neutral girl for you.
>>342045056
He's obviously an idiot who doesn't know what the fuck he's talking about, but sure loves nigger/fag/SJW-related funposting.
>>342045087
Oh no I get where you're coming from. I don't like the mechanics of "push button to do awesome thing" or "typing rapidly to get past the GUI firewall mainframe" any more than you do. I was mainly arguing that, the fact that it happens, and is a central part of fighting against corporations, is still in the spirit of cyberpunk
>basic bitch pistol
>does greater than fatal damage on a headshot
This alone has me excited.
>>342045226
>BLOW FALLOUT 4!
No shit retard. Witcher 3 already did that. The game 2077 needs to beat is NV because that is the pinnacle of AAA RPGs.
>>342037729
You know the combat will be complete trash
>>342037729
>Player characters who don't speak the language will have to buy a translator implant to understand them.
EOP cucks lmao
>>342045168
cyberpunk has always been NEAR future you dumb butt. Is Hackers suddenly not cyberpunk because the tech is from the 80s?
also
>reading the book that killed cyberpunk
10/10 taste my man
>>342044686
I haven't played it, so I wouldn't know, from what i'm seeing now, its not my kind of game.
Wait 3 games and then get it.
>>342045276
You are fucking STILL ONLY MAKING A CASE FOR PUNK ELEMENTS OF THE GENRE.
>>342044076
Mr. Robot is not cyberpunk just because the main character is a hacker and their is an evil corporation doesn't make it cyberpunk their is alot more nuances to cyberpunk then just that. You should look at something like the first Mirror's Edge game for a non-stereotypical looking cyberpunk setting.
>>342045513
>HACKING IS LITERALLY THE MAIN FOCUS OF THE STORY
You're a fucking retard
>>342037729
Have CDPR ever made a game that felt good to play?
The kind of game where you would actually enjoy playing a never-ending wave of enemies, or a level without end, or some other non-stop adaptation of the core mechanics, because they felt so fucking good in your hands?
If not, then they'll never make a great game. An ambitious game, sure. A good game, possibly. But a game that anyone would put on a "greatest ever" list? Doubtful.
Games are, at their core, interactive experiences. They're about pushing buttons to make audio-visual events occur. If that primary mode of interface isn't tuned tighter than piano wire, the game can tick every "dream game awesome feature" but never be anyone's favorite game because, even if they can't pin down exactly why, the game will feel tedious to them.
>>342045440
Not really. Bioware managed to get good at combat with ME shooting even though DA's combat is ass. FO4 has ok combat even though Skyrim's sucked.
>>342045429
Oh yes, my bad, it was an error. Yes of course, it has to beat NV, which i have to say will be pretty difficult. I trust them in doing a non linear game. They have to make good dialog, funny joke as dialog and funny answer and reaction.
Have a beautiful weapon and soldier closeup.
>>342045608
MGSV had perfect controls and combat and yet was still one of the most boring pieces of shit I've ever wasted time on.
>>342045453
>Hackers
>Cyberpunk
Again, Punk but not Cyber you moron.
>>342045276
I'll grant that conflict with corporate power is an important part of the genre but it's not enough to make something cyberpunk. Occupy Wall Street was in conflict with corporate power and they heavily used technology to organise and files obtained by hacking but there's nothing cyberpunk about a bunch of women's lit majors camping in the the street.
>>342044930
>philosphical elements
dude the elements of cyberpunk are simply: scifi tech in a dystopian world. thats how you define genres. they have to meet the criteria. Watch dogs does NOT because its in a modern world
>common sense isnt so common
>>342045624
Bioware has the worst battle systems ever. Jade empire and kotor made being a Jedi and a martial artist more boring than painting a house
>>342045516
Like what? Mr. Robot has an oppressive government that they took down in the first season. The MC is a drugged-out lowlife who hangs out with his hacker friends in an abandoned arcade. If your nuances are just "there's no cybernetic limbs" then you're missing the point of cyberpunk
>>342041870
>Dice rolling combat
KOTOR 2 is my favorite game, but you have to be shitting me that you think it is vastly superior to Witcher combat.
>>342045801
>common sense isnt so common
wiser words have never been spoken
>>342045831
Like I said ME3 still was fun to play with, especially MP.
>>342045608
Then why does ME1 get rated over 2 and 3? Checkmate faggot.
>>342045801
cyberpunk has always been an exercise in what people think would happen if capitalism ran wild and controlled things as a result. There are most definitely philosophical elements of cyberpunk that you don't get.
>>342045453
>hackers is now cyberpunk
nah this is a troll. this makes no sense.
>>342045780
>hacking suddenly isn't cyberpunk
ok
>>342045728
1) I'm not saying it's sufficient, I'm saying it's necessary. A chair that doesn't break under 5 pounds of pressure isn't automatically a good chair, but a chair that does break under 5 pounds of pressure will never be a good chair
2) it's not just about the tuning of the controls, it's about the tuning of the core gameplay experience.
What is MGSV's core gameplay experience? I dunno, I never played it, but I'd assume that it would be sneaking past guards (and potentially executing them)? If so, the question is "if you removed all the narrative, all the artwork, all the music, and made a game that was just a never-ending base full of guards to sneak past, would that be fun?" I mean, they did it with MGS... If the answer is no for MGSV, then the gameplay is tuned shittily and no amount of anything can save it.
Contrast something like DMC4, or Dark Souls, or Super Mario Bros 3, where the idea of a time-attack endless level sounds unbelievably appealing; those are games with well-constructed and well-tuned gameplay
>>342044686
It was amazing. One of the best adventure games ever made.
I'd still suggest giving it a shot if you're into adventure games and Blade Runner. If you can get it work, that is.
>>342046021
Explain in detail why it's not.
>>342046113
Pondsmith literally fucking defined Cyberpunk for you retards. It's not about "rampant capitalism". It's about how even when technology advanced human nature doesn't. It's not about technology, it's how people use it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xYxt7cwDk4E
>>342045801
That definition is obviously wrong and retarded. "Scifi tech in a dystopian world" is a far broader scope than cyberpunk. There many several scifi dystopias that are not part of the cyberpunk genre.
I'd say the intro on the Wikipedia page gets it down reasonably well.
>>342046196
How is Hackers not cyberpunk? It's not that great of a movie but I don't see how it wouldn't be cyberpunk. It literally has all of the elements needed to be cyberpunk. Do you guys really think that cyberpunk is only about aesthetics?
>>342045586
>Cyber = Hacking
No. Moron.
For the LAST FUCKING TIME, the term Cyber in Cyberpunk refers to blurring lines between humanit and technology. How we as a species are changed by redefining ourselves physically, mentally and spiritually through tech, how in turn tech itself becomes closer to human and asking the question "what does it mean to be human?"
Watchdogs.
Isn't.
Cyberpunk.
>>342046082
>Then why does ME1 get rated over 2 and 3? Checkmate faggot.
Maybe it played better? Maybe nostalgia? I don't know, I never played the Mass Effect games.
>>342046328
>Contrast something like DMC4, or Dark Souls, or Super Mario Bros
I've seen plenty of people say they're bored of DS even though 3 is arguably the best in the series. No matter how good something is you'll inevitably get tired of it. Your criteria is retarded because no game meets it.
>>342046430
Aesthetic is a huge chunk of the genre. Sorry. Just how it is.
>>342046531
>I never played ME
>I never played MGSV
How convient that you never played the games that challenge your assumptions. Maybe you should before you go off on long boring rants about what constitutes a good game.
>>342046360
>It's not about technology, it's how people use it.
Oh like taking down oppressive governments and corporations? Like what watch dogs was all about? Ok cool.
>>342046440
Show me where you get your "official" definition of cyberpunk and I'll back down. I'll even be polite about it. because I'm looking at this wiki page and it doesn't really mention that.
>>342046430
How does it deal with transhumanism?
>>342046678
>All that mixing of slang
God that is a commendable feat.
>>342037729
>Lead writer Sebastian Stępień said the game will have non-player characters speaking in non-English languages.[8] Player characters who don't speak the language will have to buy a translator implant to understand them.[9] Stępień also said they would try to get native speakers to do the voices.
I can fucking guarantee that this won't be in the final product.
>>342046678
Style over substance motherfucker.
>Oh like taking down oppressive governments and corporations? Like what watch dogs was all about? Ok cool.
No. Cyberpunk isn't about fighting the "man" it's about people's struggle to survive. Watch Dogs is your typical superhero bullshit.
>>342046761
>I read wikipedia, so now I know everything
Please be a fucking troll and not just a retard.
Is it going to have classes? I love The Witcher games, TW3 specifically setting my standards too high to even care about any other open world RPG games, but I would love to have different classes for this one.
Cyberpunk is the new Steampunk.
>>342047060
Pretty sure they've said it will.
>>342046837
No shit Sherlock, look at the date. Bull's just reposting old articles so he can switch to Cyberpunk shitposting when the stream of retards taking his Witcher bait runs out.
>>342046741
Is anyone still playing ME1? People are still playing Mario 64. People are still playing DMC3. People are still playing Fallout NV. People are still playing CSGO. People are still playing Smash Melee.
You say these games "challenge my conception" of what a great game is, but great games continue to get played, they don't just get remembered fondly
>>342047060
I don't think even that much is known yet, but we're supposedly making our own character and the source material is class-based. I don't expect much of the tabletop systems to be intact, but still.
>>342046814
cyberpunk doesn't have to focus on transhumanism. Neuromancer didn't. Johny Mnemonic didn't.
>>342047060
Yes but they're reworking them and the skills. Cop, Media, Solo, and Nomad all seem like they'd be natural fits but I'm not sure about the others. There's also tons of useless shit like Geology skill, and they need to unfuck the lore from what 203X did.
>>342046837
>Non English languages can't be recorded.
>Subtitles don't exist.
Sounds impossible to implement.
>>342047086
God it really is becoming that way.
>>342045453
> Hackers was cyberpunk using tech from the 80s.
Nigga you literally don't know what the fuck you're talking about.
>>342047230
>Is anyone still playing ME1?
>Is anyone in the entire world doing x
The answer is always yes dumbass. Does NV have as many players as Skyrim? If not does that mean it's a bad game?
>>342046360
>Blasters irrelevant after a while
>Less responsive to input than Witcher, which is bad.
>Flurry or Critical strike
>Force powers depending on alignment
>Again, rolling in a non D&D game
It isn't complex nor reliant on extreme skill and reflexes of the player. I don't know how you think it is so vastly superior to Witcher combat.
The fact you want this when Cyberpunk has to compete against the gameplay of Deus Ex: Mankind Divided, a dice system is superfluous , outdated, and would kill enjoyment of the game is confusing.
One of the biggest critiques of TW3 is
>hurr durr combat
You think they would seriously consider an even more clunky system for their next game?
>>342047432
Feel free to enlighten me I guess. These discussions are fun.
>>342047345
>JM is literally about a man reduced to a living pen drive
Transhumanism isn't always positive.
>>342047230
Yes, they are still playing it. Just because you and your high school buddies aren't doesn't mean everyone else isn't.
The game is very repayable. I've played it twice, had a completely different experience every time. And it wasn't for the plot.
>>342047609
Right, but there wasn't a whole lot of philosophical discussion about it. It didn't *deal* with transhumanism. He was just augmented.
>>342047356
Wait, is 203X a video game? Every Google result is vague as shit and keep calling it just "game", but it's being compared to video games too.
I didn't know there were any video games.
>>342047564
Hackers was such a product of the 90s it hurts. If you want a hacker movie based on 80s tech you go with War Games which also wasn't cyberpunk. Sneakers is a better example of cyberpunk and it has no cyber or punk in it.
>>342047609
>pen drive
lol, what a fag
It's a USB stick
>>342047564
just read neuromancer holy shit
>>342044930
>shitty snow crash book
confirmed for no tastes.
>>342047432
hes trolling. probably just wants to bump the thread, possibly the OP.
>>342047013
Show me your definition. Just saying that there's a definition beyond what is freely stated, and what happens to appear in cyberpunk games, does not mean that that's what the "cyber" part of cyberpunk means.
>>342047935
Of course I've read neuromancer. If you don't have any arguments you can just say so famalam
>>342047970
It's literally the book that killed cyberpunk
>>342046997
Think you quoted the wrong post or I'm retarded at comprehending your post at the moment....
>>342044620
What?
>>342047805
>A theme is only present if there is an infodump explaining it to the viewer like a child
Do you only watch anime?
>>342047906
Keanu was portable media is my point, and too wooden to be a floppy.
>>342048117
>It's literally the book that killed cyberpunk
????
>>342047851
tabletop game
Is Quantum Thief series Cyberpunk, space opera, or something else?
>>342048117
if you've read neuromancer and understand it's the basis of the cyberpunk genre and you STILL don't understand how watch dogs 2 isn't cyberpunk i have nothing to say to you. other than you're a fucking retard ofc
>>342038037
>The combat will be shit.
Pretty brave of you to make that claim based on absolutely no information about the game.
Also
>every single game must have a character creator
Here's your (You)
>>342048242
You literally posted "how does it deal with transhumanism" and I was pointing out that some cyberpunk media doesn't, which, in turn, is explaining why transhumanism doesn't have to be a focus of cyberpunk media. Saying "btw he has mechanical parts in his head lmao" doesn't *deal* with anything.
What are the chances it will be released this console gen?
>>342048436
Good job failing to articulate any kind of argument other than "ur a faget lel" I guess
>>342044551
We literally had a bladerunner game, and it was great for its time
Let's bring this thread back to comfy levels, /v/. The autistic rage is really taking away from the AAA cyberpunk hype.
>>342038298
>Watch_Dogs 2
>Cyberpunk
>>342047851
No, 203X wasn't a video game. It was the third revision of the Cyberpunk PNP RPG that most players hated, Mike Pondsmith had been working for Microsoft so a lot of the mechanics had been changed to work like a video game. Literally no Cyberpunk fan wants the CD Projekt game to be based on that, we want it to be based on the 2020 setting. If you know anything about Shadowrun it's how all the Shadowrun Returns games have been set in the 2050s (2nd/3rd editions) because those are the most popular with the fans.
>>342046440
>>342046430
>>342046429
>>342046360
>>342046287
>>342046196
>>342046113
You're all testicles. Cyberpunk is about trying to depict a future human society and how it changes due to technological advancement. Simple as that.
>>342048601
Alright, I'll drop the watch dogs shit. Sorry guys. I didn't mean to make you angry. I was just trying to explain my point of view.
>>342048436
>>342047935
>>342048254
stop feeding the troll.
>arguing stops
>thread dies
Why must it be this way?
>>342048686
So you are arguing that literally all science fiction involving humans is cyberpunk. Gotcha.
>>342048850
We should just remove watch dogs from the image macro so it doesn't come up again.
>>342048461
You are either retarded or a troll. I want to give you the benefit of the doubt and hope you're just a troll. If you're retarded, there's no point me trying to explain what a theme of a narrative or genre is, you've shown it's beyond your capacity. If however you're just a troll, try antifreeze. It's sweet tasting and removes you from the genepool, the best thing you will ever do for the species.
>>342038037
>CDPR can't design clothing for women that isn't sexist as shit.
Fuck off back to Tumblr, subhuman.
>>342048440
But anon..
Cyberpunk 2077 will, indeed, feature a character creator, seeing how it has been confirmed AND how it is one of the pillars of any good board game : Creating your character and roleplaying it. They want to put the board game experience into a videogame.
Have a cute girl.
>>342048850
I'm still here, just got tired of the bitching.
Anyone here excited for Mankind Divided while we wait for Cyberpunk? Gameplay looks fun, and the atmosphere is giving me vibes from the first Deus Ex. Loved both it and human revolution.
Also, how many cities do you think they will put in 2077? Which countries besides America and some Asian country?
>CDPR has proven that they have what it takes to make a fully-developed world that is engrossing, epic, and chock-full of glorious minutiae.
If only they put as much attention to detail into their gameplay and level/world design.
>>342049172
>that flawless hair
Dayum
>>342049071
Transhumanism is a theme present in a lot of cyberpunk media, but that doesn't mean that it's a theme of all cyberpunk. I'm sorry you can't get that.
>>342049172
>Cyberpunk 2077 will, indeed, feature a character creator
I know, but saying "The character creator will be shit" out of your ass based only on the fact that The Witcher didn't have one is just fucking retarded.
>>342049209
Europe is to Cyberpunk what Asia is to Shadowrun. I'd be shocked if they left European countries out of the game.
>>342049209
I think 2077 is going to take place in one city
>>342049172
You can roleplay a character without creating it or self insert.
Planescape Torment is one of the better CRPGS out there. You will always be the Nameless One, a straight male. You can change literally everything else about him.
Same with Geralt. You can be a money-grubbing dick or a self-righteous knight.
>>342038037
>Sexist
If by sexist you mean sexualised, great. That serves the aesthetic. Why get your body augmented if not to show it off?
>>342049458
This man gets it
>>342049209
I expect 2077 to feature a single american city. Probably better to have a single more extensive city environment.
Mankind Divided will probably be fun. I don't think it will fit in well at all with established lore though, which irks me. Human Revolution felt kind of shoehorned already, but the developers seemed to at least give a fuck what with all the nods towards the first game.
>>342049209
I bet there's a central hub, and then possibly some other areas to explore, but not even close in comparison to the main city. Most of the game will take place in THE metropolis, IMO.
>>342049385
>>342049209
Indeed, Cyberpunk 2077 is gonna be on only one city named "Nightcity" a pretty generic name if you ask me.
Have a FUCKING GIRL ABOUT TO GET FUCKED BY A BULLET
>>342049385
Did you even read OP?
>>342049349
Europe is a big place. Are they gonna go Western or Eastern Europe? I know Deus Ex is going the Prague. I don't really think of Warsaw or any Polish city being a hub, but maybe.
>>342049013
it's either Watchdogs 2 or Detroit : Become Human
>>342049349
Europe is the worsts setting for cyberpunk, too many preserved old buildings and hardly any skyscrapers plus strong social democracies which keep corporations from running amok like in Asia and America.
>>342049274
(You)
Any subsequent posts, refer to >>342049071
>>342049615
I'd argue that Detroit is more of a cyberpunk game than watch dogs but I dunno. I think it's ok if the list isn't completely full up.
>>342049385
>>342049507
>>342049553
Where do you get this vibe that it will be one city?
>>342037729
Why are you trying to market a game everyone knows is cancelled?
>>342049654
man you're just the best at presenting arguments.
loved the 50 or so hours i played of tw3 but they'd have to step it up big time in the combat department to be considered the best game ever made, it's too fiddly.
>>342049791
(You)
>>342049594
OP doesn't say anything at all about the number of cities though?
>>342049791
Why are you trying so hard to get attention?
>>342049751
Because Nightcity is the city of cyberpunk 2020, the board game cyberpunk 2077 is based on.
>>342049209
2077 takes place in Night City a shithole in California. There might be some surrounding wastelands and parts of the city will be nuked from the Corporate Wars but that's it.
>>342037942
GERALT HAS...........A NEW SCAR
>>342049426
I'm sorry customised characters trigger you, but it's a given here.
>>342049487
I'd also add I want to see MEN equally sexualised and dehumanised by Cyber-slutty attire. And a few Genderless snowflake parodies.
>>342050068
I'm sorry not being able to self-insert triggers and disinterests you.
>>342050068
>degenerate homo-sluts and drugged-up hobos everywhere
I can't say I want that but desu that probably will happen and at least it's relevant to a cyberpunk setting.
>>342049751
http://m.neogaf.com/showthread.php?t=1196914
I know I know
>Neofag
It has all the shit if you want to read.
>>342049893
I just want an answer to my question.
>>342037729
Does anyone know what in the fuck the game play style is?
I just assumed first person like Deus ex. That is the only example of a cyber punk game I can think of.
they should go to africa
africa is expected to explode in the coming years in terms of population and economy. it would make perfect sense in the way that the continent would probably not be able to spread it's wealth in time so there would probably be a huge divide between the people who have access to the tech and the people who don't.
>>342050262
Last I checked we still don't know shit, but I'd assume it to be an FPS or TPS with roleplaying elements, as usual for mainstream WRPGs in the last decade.
>>342050209
It's not like I want it for kinks anon, but it makes sense in the setting, that's why I want it.
>>342050187
Not one bit true, but ok, think that.
Accepting this game will feature it isn't expressing a preference.
>>342039874
All these fags saying there will be diversity and shit
Inb4 its set in future Poland
>>342037729
This and the new mount and blade game are the only games I have any amount of hype for. I'm mostly dead inside when it comes to gaming at this point.
>>342049791
Are you the same cunt arguing it's cancelled because the interview is three years old...?
You do know how long games can take to make, right...?
>>342050548
There will. Globalization and the world being small is a core cyberpunk theme. I'm sorry if you guys don't like it, but there _will_ be brown people. I 100% guarantee it.
>>342050762
no idea who the fuck you're talking about but I have to wonder what motivates a company to try this hard to natively advertise vaporware that has nothing to show for half a decade's worth of supposed development except for one teaser trailer released years ago. not even the youngest, stupidest neoGAF fanboy writes something as embarrassingly, cloyingly worshipful as the OP with literally no material information whatsoever on a game that has been stuck in development hell for this long. Anyone with half a brain knows it's cancelled.
What's the point, CDProjekt?
>>342050838
There should be at least a faction to join in
>>342050838
"When it gets down to it — talking trade balances here — once we've brain-drained all our technology into other countries, once things have evened out, they're making cars in Bolivia and microwave ovens in Tadzhikistan and selling them here — once our edge in natural resources has been made irrelevant by giant Hong Kong ships and dirigibles that can ship North Dakota all the way to New Zealand for a nickel — once the Invisible Hand has taken away all those historical inequities and smeared them out into a broad global layer of what a Pakistani brickmaker would consider to be prosperity — y'know what? There's only four things we do better than anyone else:
music
movies
microcode (software)
high-speed pizza delivery"
>>342051117
>Half a decade
2013 was three years ago, learn fractions.
>Everyone excited for this game is a secret CDPR agent!!!!
Your meds, take them.
>But it's been FIVE YEARS maybe, I claim
And how long was say, Fallout 4 in Development...?
>>342039874
Anon, the future is gonna be multicultural as fuck and national identity will be entierly replaced by company identity. Your traditions will be entierly dead within 200 years.
>>342051541
In psychology it's called projection when you internally transfer loathsome aspects from yourself onto other people so that you can avoid confrontating your own flaws.
>>342051541
That is the point. Did you not listen to Trump?
>>342051541
It's funny how pies are still called pies, even if they're sweet or savoury. We're playing the "post non relevant topics" game, right?
polacks are the niggers of europe.
