Why did mods delete a thread about video games as art?
That is definitely an on topic thread.
Continued-
>>341979906
They can. But here's the one thing that's holding it back.
We. Us, gamers.
Gonna repost this video I posted in the previous thread.
It is an analysis of Silent Hill 4's main character and it is proof to me that video games can absolutely be art.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MwYheokdjIU
>>341979906
Yes
For example obsidian games have better writing than most of "timeless" books
>>341979906
give definition for "art"
No, and there's no reason why they should be, either.
Is shooting nerf guns art? No, it's fun.
Liberal arts shitheads need to stop trying to use video games for their agenda bullshit.
Art shouldn't age. Art shouldn't need to constantly be remastered. Movies and paintings don't have this problem. In 10 years, no one will bother playing the original Mario other than to say they did. They will get nothing out of doing this.
>>341979906
Because it was a shitposting thread started with a misattributed quote.
>>341979906
saw the OP and just felt like posting this
>>341979952
As in how we view games? Or what we buy?
>>341980092
A creation with aesthetic value. Aesthetic being that it stimulates the aesthetics: beauty through pure emotion; non intellectual stimulation.
>>341980254
by this definition MS-pain comix are art.
games are as well. 2deep4you stuff as well.
>>341980254
Merriam-Webster, wiktionary and a million other sources I'm sure would disagree with you.
Particularly on that last point.
>>341980325
MS comix are art just BAD art.
>>341980254
>I pulled that definition out of my ass
>>341980443
I'm sure. Theres many definitions this is just the one I can get behind.
>>341980124
Our attitude.
We rebel against diversity in gaming.
We hate change in gaming.
We despise difference in sexual preference in gaming
We despite anything that isn't gaming like it used to be. Simple white dude shooting generic other dudes.
That's the problem. We should be welcoming change to gaming, but we don't. Just look at gamergate. Pure hate that stems from the fact that we refuse to be okay with developers changing it up, whether it's skin color, sexual preference, or gender.
>can games be art
why not, a literal toilet was accepted as art because some guy who disagreed with post-modern art made it happen and the art critics were stupid enough to actually agree with him despite it being sarcasm.
>in ten years no one ill play the original mario
if you mean the shitty arcade one maybe but if you mean smb1 I laugh in your face, its called emulators bro, they will carry on the legend for a long time.
>>341980503
>>341980443
>>341980325
>>341980254
>the expression or application of human creative skill and imagination, typically in a visual form such as painting or sculpture, producing works to be appreciated primarily for their beauty or emotional power.
>the various branches of creative activity, such as painting, music, literature, and dance.
>something that is created with imagination and skill and that is beautiful or that expresses important ideas or feelings
>works created by artists : paintings, sculptures, etc., that are created to be beautiful or to express important ideas or feelings
Here are several definitions. One of them is "art is created by artists".
Almost everything is art. even tools became art in the last century.
Before you needed time and money to create something in a time when most people couldn't speak or write. Now any retards with a Mac can shit out creation.
People had similar discussion about new genres of music or films. Nothing new.
>it's not art because I don't like it, here are 10 reasons why I don't like it and therefore it's not art.
>>341980691
>Just look at gamergate. Pure hate that stems from the fact that we refuse to be okay with developers changing it up, whether it's skin color, sexual preference, or gender.
Christ, you are dumb.
"Gamergate" stemmed from a lack of journalistic integrity in which Zoey Quinn received good reviews for what barely qualifies as a game from multiple people she'd been either in a relationship with or friends with. Five reviews. Before it was called "gamergate" it was referred to as "Five Guys", a pun referring to the fast food chain. Of course this has been buried by those who would like to make it seem as though the attacks were completely unwarranted or baseless.
Games certainly have artistic elements. Good stories on the other hand is another thing entirely.
>>341980943
>Gamergate" stemmed from a lack of journalistic integrity
Yeah, okay
>>341979906
fucking mods deleted the gamer fuel thread too
wtf
is
going
on
here
>>341981085
Its not up for debate.
The seed of gamergate was five guys and that was based on a lack of journalistic integrity.
What occurred after is up for debate.
>>341981197
I'm sure that what America said when they invaded Vietnam.
>>341981257
Vietnam must of had some really bad journalists to go that far.
>>341980112
>art can't degrade/age over time as the materials corrode etc when not preserved
Also saying that they will get nothing out of playing an old game like Mario is like saying that someone won't get anything out of a piece of art that is primarily relevant to the period it was made in and is significantly devalued when viewed outside of that period.
Just because games are constantly remastered doesn't necessarily mean that they need to be aside from being preserved to remain publically available as both the games and the means to play them become unavailable or otherwise degraded.
It's like saying that plays aren't art because people are constantly "remastering" shakespeare to keep it "with the times".
Yes, but they rarely are. This is because they have limited cohesive motif/aesthetic, and are produced chiefly as products and secondarily as anything else.
There are a few exceptions, and there are plenty of great games that I wouldn't really call "art".
>>341979906
damn, i really like his expression.
>we
>derails into anti-GG
fuck off zoe quinn, people are talking about art, not that shitty 'game' you made and the guys you blew for ratings.
>>341981678
It really captures the horror and regret at the expense of his anger, realizing how much he had damned his nation and himself.
Ivan lived a hard life.
Tell me, how this game wasn't an art?
>>341979906
They can be considered art, yes, but that is determined by the individual.
Art has no objective definition.
>>341979906
Art.
>>341980691
This has got to be an elaborate troll. It's like you were hand-picked from the Twitter tree as the ripest, most pretentious shitfuck fruit.
Video game can absolutely be art. I really don't see how it could be argued to the contrary.
A video game is a medium of auditory and visual art. The creation of the aesthetics of a game is a process of many steps - concept art, modelling, motion capture and so forth and the method for musical composition is not too dissimilar from the creating a score for a movie.
At what point would these individual pieces cease to be "art"? Does presenting something in a digital form somehow remove artistic merit? Or is it that the art can now be controlled by the audience to a degree?
>>341980112
Films get remade all the fucking time, and if you weren't like 16 years old you'd know that black&white films getting colorized was and is a thing, among many other remastering edits commonly done to old films. Further, classic paintings get retouched all the time because they literally age and degrade over time. I assume you did not know all of this, so feel free to delete your post so you don't look like a retard.
>>341981197
Actually, it was based on a lack of sexual fidelity, but you wouldn't know this because you didn't pay attention, you just spew memes because you are mentally deficient. You are everything wrong with both the internet and especially this website.
>>341983942
Actually, it was based on lack of journalistic integrity due to the fact that five people who had relationships with the developer and therefore had biased opinions on the game got caught by a single person on 4chan and they then proceeded to blow the story up.
But you wouldn't know this because you just use it as a mouth piece to push your political agenda. You don't accept facts, you just spew the lies that whatever internet feminist you worship because you are mentally deficient. You are everything wrong with both the internet and especially feminism.
>>341979906
some games, yes
most games, hell no
>>341983942
It's always interesting to see people tell tales of things they never were part of.
I can't believe we're still having this fucking debate as if it matters whether it is or isn't art.
There will always be pieces of media that move you, or you think is beautiful, or you enjoy for the fun factor. Games are no exception.
If you don't care about games with narrative there are countless options that cater to you. Music, movies and art are all mass-produced escapism anyway these days.
If a game is the result of a creators inner vision brought to life then absolutely, if it's just another corporate copy paste call of duty ESC game created for the sole purpose of making money then absolutely not
>>341980064
kek, I sreencaped your silly post fanboi
>>341979996
art isn't about symbolism, pleb
>>341980103
why aren't you on reddit?
>>341980254
a pleb wanting to define something that has been a subject of hundreds of books and works ever since man developed thought.
>>341981197
If that's true then why did its movement start with a totally baseless article about reviews that never even existed?
I think it's a stupid question
Game artist (inb4 indie cuck) here
Think about it for a second, the amount of work that gets put in to games.
Theres the concept art, that takes years of practice to hone the ability to do well, fundamentals of lighting,composition,dynamics,colour theory etc. Which needs to be modelled up,first low poly then to high poly,then retopology and baking of maps, then rigging, texturing and animating. On top of that you have to have environments, plot and character growth.
People have created worlds out of pixels with thousands of hours of practice honing abilities to do things well, and some pretentious fuck wants to say how it isn't on the same level as a painting.
>>341984695
>kek
>pleb
>pleb
Here's you reply
it's mostly shitposts and the thread gets posted all the time, and I think you know what you're doing
anyway the answer is who gives a shit, it doesn't matter really. but obviously there's a technique and method for making games someone wants to play
>>341984791
you have a very primitive definition of art buddy
>>341984869
what's wrong boy, did I hurt your feelings?
>>341984723
I didn't say there was an article.
The threads started here, on /v/.
One person noticed that one of the favorable reviews for Depression Quest was by someone Quinn had had a relationship with.
Then someone noticed another review by someone Quinn was associated with.
They found five in total.
The reviews probably still exist and so do the connections.
>>341984965
>what's wrong boy, did I hurt your feelings?
>/v/ talks about something it knows nothing about
Can we please talk about porn instead
Mainly about how overrated asses are. Face > Tits > Legs > Everything Else > Foot faggots
>>341984791
Art vs art.
>>341979906
I consider them art galleries. Full of art, which sometimes sucks.
>>341985109
>overrated
>asses
Fuck you
I think games can be art but I think nobody making games at the moment knows how to get there. They are like the two sides of a coin and both are idiotic extremes so far from being art.
>DLC ridden tripleA cash cows for casuals
>shitty walking simulators
I'd say a game can be art but it would have to be a fantastic game, the same way an expert chess player can be like an artist, the precision of professional quake players might also be considered artistic in its own way. They're certainly achieving great spectacle and a beauty of its own through skill and inventive, clever play.
>>341985165
The majority who like like asses are uneducated and poor, and this is empirically true.
>>341985109
>hurr i'm a crossposting faggot and talk about how my board is better than this board and obviously a board is a sum of its posts and not a bunch of individuals with no orchestrated thought
i also thought this @16
>>341979906
Literally anything can be art.
This post is art.
>>341985317
Breasts are for babies.
Literally and objectively.
>>341985109
this is differently the age of asses. And I'm fine with it, but it's just a popular opinion, it will come and go, and these young bitches will look at their old pictures and be ashamed of how slutty and trashy they looked.
>>341985357
Did you respond to the wrong post?
>>341985415
The reason they'll be ashamed is because of the fact that they'll be selfies or they were making that stupid duck face or Miley tongue.
But it won't be because their ass was hanging out.
I think games should be seen as art in the same way cooking or working with wood are perceived as art. People want them to be seen in the same light as cinema and literature which is only holding it back.
>>341985386
Tits are life.
Ass is hometown.
>>341984695
>a pleb wanting to define something that has been a subject of hundreds of books and works ever since man developed thought.
Yet the definition is still not universal? hmm. Keep trying champ.
>>341985386
Breasts are a fundamental part of a woman.
You probably like asses mainly because men also have them and you are sexually confused. Its probably a generic fault through your family of being homosexual.
>>341985503
>But it won't be because their ass was hanging out.
western civilization is at its end. we might as well be called africa a few decades down the line.
>>341985109
I LOVE JUICY THIGHS
>>341979906
Of course not, games can't be art.
Art is like, a girl peeing or a portrait made of mestruation blood. That is art.I think there is potential in games like "The Void" but we need to gas fuckers who think an art game is a walking simulator with a minority on top.
>>341985568
>Breasts are a fundamental part of a woman.
And asses are a fundamental part of humans.
As for your second point, men often tend to have very unattractive asses.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oE6v-gl_J0E
People like this are why games will never be art.
>>341985679
You haven't been here long enough.
>>341985679
>And asses are a fundamental part of humans.
So you are sexually confused as you cant tell the sexes apart
The first step is admitting it anon, you're on the road to happiness. Happiness for the 300 pound bear thats going to be fucking your ass, but at least you will finally have a use.
>As for your second point, men often tend to have very unattractive asses.
You would know, wouuldnt you. I think you missed your stop >>>/hm/
>>341985563
it's not you retard. you can't define it in one sentience, I mean you can if you're under educated and have no idea what you're talking about.
>>341985109
I agree with most of that, but legs are definitely the best.
>>341985768
>So you are sexually confused as you cant tell the sexes apart
I'm sorry, what part of "asses are a fundamental part of humans" did you read as confusion toward sexual orientation?
>>341985842
You are a negro of my property
>>341985889
>"asses are a fundamental part of humans"
And you cant tell the difference between men and woman asses, which is why you are sexually confused which you admitted. Its okay to be gay anon, we are not bigots here. You're gay and like men, which is why you like asses.
>>341985889
Lack of breast milk at a young age often causes tittyboys to be confused easily in their adult years.
>>341985986
Wow, that's the second time you've completely ignored what the text in my post actually says.
Its almost like you have a problem with your brain.
>>341985986
>you cant tell the difference between men and woman asses
So you're projecting. Got it.
>>341985732
I hate how this video gets shilled in threads like this, but people like that guy are the prime reason the medium won't be seen as art for a long ass time. I'm glad one of the comments pointed out how hypocritical he is for supporting localization censorship yet still whining about video games not being taken seriously when literature and film are far ahead having debate over something as trivial as women in bikinis.
>>341986069
Dont project your own refusal to read my posts anon, it makes you look even more stupid than you already are.
You're gay and like asses, thats all we need to know.
>>341986138
What's that anon?
You're father molested you as a child?
I'm sorry to hear that.
It can be but it is difficult to do so.
Most Art comes from the vision of a single mind, who then proceeded to make his vision reality with his skills.
Many great artists of the past had helpers of course who helped Bernini for example to finish all of his works, but they weren't that involved in the creative process.
In games it is the same as in movies. Their scale becomes so big and so many different groups are making creative input into the game that it often becomes a bland stew.
Small groups of developers and artists who are on the same page can make it work I think.
>>341986120
>>341986069
>>341985889
>>341985842
>>341985679
>falling for obvious bait
You're an idiot
Please leave /v/, you're the reason we cant have nice things anymore
>>341986195inb4 you are fatherinb4 projecting
here it comes...
>>341985732
most of the more academic minded "serious commentators" in gaming are lowering the bar, not raising it
the "too much water 7.8/10" shit often gave rise to worthwhile discussions of form, whereas people like campstar, extra credits, feminist frequency have contributed literally nothing to video game discourse or discourse about art in general
don't get me wrong, game journalism is marketing, and any worthwhile discussion has always been an accident, but at least there's some there there rather than masturbatory screeds that serve no one but the author and people of like mind
>>341986229
>I WAS JUST BAITING HONEST
gg
Yes. The gameplay itself and how it is explored and presented to you is art.
The problem is, the majority of games are not "good" art. Especially not the ones that try to be.
Dorf fortress is the Pinnacle of games as art.
Museum of Modern Art agreed, don't bother him about it.
WE NEED MORE WALKING SIMULATORS AND ENTERTAINMENTLESS RHETORIC VEHICLES
THIS IS ART
WE ARE ART
>>341980119
Maybe you'd be more comfortable posting on imgur?
>>341986131
Books have horrific scenes and descriptions of rape and abuse. Pulitzer prize winning novels deal with the full gamut of human experience. Good and bad. What I don't like are these people coming in and limiting and pointing at things and saying that this is bad because it is in a game etc. If they really want this to be treated as a true artform, all of it needs to be protected. From anime tittie ninjas to shadow of the colossus to shit like gone home. It is also a process. It is going to take a while to get the real heavy shit.
>>341986542
"All art is propaganda" All these threads show me is how fucking illiterate both sides are.
>>341986975
>the entire medium at once is art or nothing at all
nope, no one's claiming those "I fucked a T-Rex" books on amazon are art
The answer is always Tetris. To anyone who considers that video games are not art or cannot be art I ask: explain how Tetris isn't art
>>341979906
>Why did mods delete a thread about video games as art?
they should do it again.
you hear that mods?
we're supposed to be better than this tripe
>>341979906
>can video games be considered art
Only if the video game in question is Bloodborne.
>>341987135
I am
>>341987193
I take it you don't actually know the history of Tetris?
>>341984983
The Five Guys thing started because her ex boyfriend found out she cheated on him with at least five guys, probably more, to further her career and create a system where people would defend her, and he wrote a big essay about it to expose her. Pretty sure he's the one who came up with Five Guys Burgers and Fries himself
>>341987327
What history and why does it matter?
>>341987193
It's made by godless russian communists.
You can't make art without the spark of god.
>>341987135
But those have a right to exist. You know the most popular books are romance novels and Y.A. You don't see Lee Child getting called out on twitter for having his main character rip people apart. Also the main reason why a lot of games that have "serious" topics as part of their stories not be published is that games are like movies in a way because it is a thing were art and commerce meet. They look to the past to see what they can sell but they never look at the future.
>>341986131
"won't be seen" by whom, exactly? Is there some mystical group of people who bestow legitimacy upon things? Stop being retarded. There are already people who look at video games as art, especially when since they look at individual parts of a game, like the ART design.
>>341987448
>>341987602
Critics. Video Games do not have a critic that can anoint a game as important to the culture of video games.
>>341985789
So what book will tell me what the definition of art is?
>>341987602
I'm speaking in general. Obviously there's people who think video games are art as evidenced by this thread, I was talking about video games as art in relevance to the mainstream.
![tetrisultimatetrailer_Widescreen_179442_Desktop_184214[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/jWmIa2U.jpg "tetrisultimatetrailer_Widescreen_179442_Desktop_184214[1].jpg")
>>341987608
I'm willing to bet it's still not as bad as Ubisoft's version. I still don't understand how they managed to fail a fucking Tetris game
>>341987858
Not to mention the fact that most academic criticisms of video games are limited to pretentious youtube shits like >>341985732
>>341987858
The mainstream isn't relevant.
Time remembers true art.
>>341979906
Games are, by the technical definition, art, but most of them don't have the depth of other art forms, and that's that.
Why does it matter whether or not someone considers video games art or not?
>>341988063
People seek validation in the opinions of others.
Welcome to the world.
>>341988063
To give legitimacy of the time spent playing these games.
>>341988063
because it's the ""evolution"" of the medium
and that means no fun or originality
>>341987238
Playing the game with the HUD off has been a very comfy experience
>119 posts
Figger naggots.
>>341988063
In order for it to receive the proper attention from academics that can (try to) help improve the medium.
>>341991275
>help improve the medium
In what way? Games used to be, for the most part, just pure fun. I do agree that there is the occasional interesting plot driven game and whatnot, but those are just exceptions which don't make up the rule. If every hack will try and be "deep" with their storytelling and whatnot, it'll just turn into a shitfest, where ART will lose any and all credibility and everyone will just use that word as a shield from actual criticism.
Video games can never be art by definition. Video games require active interaction from the viewer, art is passive interaction. Video games will never be art, they are entertainment first and foremost.
>>341979906
Games I like can, usually only if they're obscure enough though
