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>>341927242
two great tastes that taste bad together
>>341927242
I think they've been doing a good job.
I haven't been fucked in the ass by them for a while now.
Why are they so fucking against turn based games now?
Enix shouldn't have saved Square. They didn't get the boost in western marketing and publishing that Square promised. And Wada almost ran the combined company into the ground just like he did for Squaresoft. The only thing the merger did was fix Square's debt problems and then funnel all profits from Enix games into high budget FF development.
>>341927447
You think you want it but you don't.
>>341927242
A merger that single-handedly killed the AAA JRPG market.
>>341927242
Nothing that bad comes to mind other than incredibly long production times.
>>341927486
t. enix cuck
>>341927531
thoughts about ff xiii overall?
>>341927498
See, you are completely and utterly wrong.
They've been getting better. The last decade overall was kind of wretched for them though aside from a few really good gems.
>>341927447
The developers of Dragon Quest and Bravely aren't. Tri-Ace and Cavia have always been about action RPGs. Its just the FF teams which threw turn based under the bus.
>>341927242
They have been getting better ever since the finished the Lighting "saga"
>>341927651
marketing numbers aren't wrong anon. turn based is for strategy now. roleplaying games of the modern era are now for KH style combat
>>341927802
explain the comas
kicking Wada out was the best thing happened to SE
>>341927242
My thoguhts are that 13 was almost as bad a blunder as Spirits Within. Hell they even have the same aesthetic
>>341927819
And that is relevant how to...
>You think you want it
?
Exactly, not at all.
You can fuck right off with your condescending tone, cunt.
>>341927819
tell this to Atlus
![36950-Gex_-_Enter_the_Gecko_[NTSC-U]-2.jpg](https://i.imgur.com/W89s6hM.jpg "36950-Gex_-_Enter_the_Gecko_[NTSC-U]-2.jpg")
>>341927242
GIVE HIM BACK YOU BITCHES
They're back in my good graces after localising dragon quest games.
>>341928061
enjoying that censorship?
>>341928001
http://www.ign.com/articles/2015/02/17/square-enix-wants-developers-to-pitch-ideas-for-gex-fear-effect-and-anachronox
>>341927242
Literally Japanese EA, and by that definition is even worse than EA.
Holds hostage great series and release them as they please ignoring completly fans.
>>341927864
Fabula Nova Crsytalis, the original idea of multiple games featuring a single universe got thrown under the bus and replaced by Lighting doing everything.
Remember Type-0 (originally Agito XIII) and FFXV (originally FFXIII: Versus) were supposed to be part of this universe
That's why I say "saga"
they've made Deus Ex great again.
>>341928173
FUCK
>>341928061
They need to localize a lot more DQ games before I forgive them. Especially DQX. If we get every DQ game from now on, but still don't get all the games they overlooked for the last 6-7 years, then the insult wasn't rectified.
>>341927954
He's saying what Squeenix and marketers in general would say, anon.
>>341928247
>yfw there will never ever be another lightning game again
>>341928375
Again, not relevant.
Embarrassing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FEQG0ZSwLOk
>>341928341
>last 6-7
Try 10, I'm still mad we didn't get to play Torneko's Mystery dungeon on GBA
>>341928691
your right anon
game companies only make games for you
don't forget to send a letter to SE HQ so they can get making that one game you want
>>341928247
I see, this is back from last decade or something when this place wasn't that bad
I'm impressed you are still pissed at that
>>341928341
Might as well give up on DQX Anon.
>>341928806
did SE fired him?
>>341928815
Years anon. And I agree that we should look even farther back, but I'm just trying to be practical with what systems are out right now. Just within this generation, there's 10+ games we haven't gotten in the west. If we start going back to the Wii, PS2 and GBA, there's upwards of 20.
I actually calculated once how much money I have spent on SE games this gen vs how much I would have. Turns out I spent about 180 dollars on stuff like Theathrythm and FFXIV. But if all the DQ games had come out, I would have spent $870 dollars. Most of that from DQX sub fees and expansions.
>>341929012
Why would they? The bossfight itself is shit. Even the guy who played it properly made it look boring as fuck. It's just fly around for a bit until QTE prompt shows up. After 5-6 QTE prompts you beat it.
they should fire whoever designed this fight
>>341929285
fighting giant fucks is always dumb in video games.
>>341928806
This. Tabata's games have horrendous combat. This is no fucking different.
>>341929449
oh fuck off it's great in GoW and SoTC
Please
>>341929250
My only SE game this generarion is DQH, I'm still waiting for them to dignify to localizing fucking VIII 3DS
Final Fantasy went to shit. Kingdom Hearts was shit from the very beginning. All I care about is Dragon Quest and Chrono. Maybe I'll try FFVII Remake, but only if we get the DQ games for PS4 first.
>>341930008
>I'm still waiting for them to dignify to localizing fucking VIII 3DS
>>341930008
I'll never understand the obsession over DQ and the hate boners DQ fans have for FF.
>>341930281
>DQ fans have for FF.
Where In my post did I mention FF at all?
>>341927242
:^)
>>341930281
>and the hate boners DQ fans have for FF.
If anything, its usually the opposite. Can't even have one DQ thread without a legion of FF shitposters. Even FFXV Kun jumps into those threads, spamming FFXV videos and saying how much he hates every DQ except IV.
>>341930008
>dignify to localizing
>>341930770
Until we don't have an official release date is not localized.
>>341928691
He was explaining their stance on the subject.
In other words, answering your question "Why are they so fucking against turn based games now?"
Sounds pretty relevant to me.
I don't give a fuck about Enix.
SQUARESOFT lost its magic after Sakaguchi left.
It was a big mistake to let Nomura be a director. Nomura is waaaay to focused on fashion and style - he's obsessed with fashion and style!
Anyway, Squaresoft lost its magic as soon as they started to somehow focus on western industry trends, TOO much on Graphics and Nomuras design choices. Final Fantasy 14 was a mistake.
They should have stayed away from AAA Graphics and focued only on producing classical JRPGs like FF7 in look and feel.
Not only should they have canceled versus 13 a looong time ago, but they should have stopped develpment for consoles after 14 alltogether and shifted all their develpment resources to handhelds.
Final Fantasy XV should have been an handheld exclusive game, a true successor to Final Fantasy 7,8 and 9. Then it would have already sold 10 million units by now.
You all know I'm right.
>>341931768
>shifted all their develpment resources to handhelds
Stopped reading right there. Fucking kill yourself.
>>341931768
you're wrong
>>341927242
D E S P E R A T E
>>341929449
The giant fight lookedfunin the KH3 trailer :^)
>>341931768
Square was falling apart even before Sakaguchi left. This is why they used Sakaguchi as a spacegoat, even though it was the fault of Wada and others. Sakaguchi also wasn't that great. His stories were really stupid (especially FFIV and IX). And wasn't that great as a director either.
>>341931768
>but they should have stopped develpment for consoles after 14 alltogether and shifted all their develpment resources to handhelds.
I am so glad you have absolutely no say in what they do because this is the most awful idea ever conceived.
Handhelds are shit.
>>341934475
b-b-b-but my pokemon machine
>>341933802
>spacegoat
kek
>>341935765
Whoops. Unintentionally hilarious typo.
>>341932545
B-but FFXV will sell well! Square said so! Ignore the remake behind the curtain.
>>341927242
Saving video games.
SPACEGOAT
KEKE
>>341937267
Sakaguchi spacegoat game when?
>>341927447
they aren't?
why would you think that?
>>341931768
i dont give a fuck about you
>>341929539
unfortunately that could be jp only
Has gotten WAY better since the mid/late 00's and early 10's (The dark age of Square). NOBODY can say they are the same company there were 5 or 6 years ago. They have gotten there shit together, listen to fans and have an amazing line up of games coming out this year and next year.
They are back. Not Golden age of Square back but they are returning to form
>>341940408
They are localizing more games. But not all of them. Not even half of them. They have a long way to go still. And frankly, after three different 'dark ages', I just don't trust them anymore. They go 3-4 years releasing a ton, then 3-4 years not releasing anything but FF games. I'm tired of it.
>>341940793
Well Final Fantasy The Spirits With nearly killed the company from bombing so hard. Luckily Enix was there to merge and keep them afloat.
Then FF 14 came around a damn near killed the company again but despite how shit the games were, FF 13 and 13-2 sold really fucking well to help them stay alive long enough for FF 14 2.0 to be made. That and the KH games gave Square a shit load of money too.
The ONLY thing that will truly kill the company is if Final Fantasy XV completely fucking bombs. They spent 10 years and so much money into this game. If they can't make a profit there is no recovery from it. Not even KH 3 or FF 7 Remake can help them. They put all their eggs in one basket with XV
>>341941497
>The ONLY thing that will truly kill the company is if Final Fantasy XV completely fucking bombs.
Even if FFXV bombs, the remake of FFVII combined with money from FFXIV, Dragon Quest X and Dragon Quest XI will keep them alive. I just hope they learn their lessor and stop making 100 million dollar FF games. Dragon Quest games sell just as much at a fraction of that cost. And only in Japan.
>>341941960
If XV bombs it will damage the Japanese console market. Tabata said this. XV is the last big hope in the Japanese console market. If it's shit it's damaged and the FF brand will be damaged too which means VII Remake will suffer because of it.
>>341942370
>the head of FFXV said if his game fails, it'll hurt the market
That's like Stephen Speilburg saying if his nerxt movie fails, it'll kill movies. That statement makes me think he's an egomaniac. And completely out of touch with reality, since Dragon Quest XI and Final Fantasy VII remake will be bigger than FFXV.
>>341943209
I think a lot of it isn't just riding on the sales numbers but also reputation.
Like if smaller companies see that SE's flagship title is failing it might stir them up as well.
>>341931768
>Final Fantasy 14
1.0? Yes. You have to admit ARR was a hell of an improvement over the initial version of the game.
>>341927242
>you guys what a new Chrono game? well you didn't buy CT for DS so you must not want one LOL!
fuck off
The moment Wada left they started getting better right away. He was truly the cancer that was killing SE.
>3 DQ games in one year
>World of Final Fantasy looks cute and fun
>Actively looking at older JRPG and building on them and not just trying to distance themselves from them
Shocked it took this fucking long to get rid of him.
I don't even know why people are hyped about Final Fantasy Remake?
It's gonna be just another ARPG like Final Fantay XV = so it'll probably be shit.
>>341943771
I think Final Fantasy failing will actually help the JRPG market. Would have helped even more 20 years ago. Would have stopped stupid companies like Konami from thinkin Suikoden needed to compete with FF, despite having no budget or marketing. And SquareEnix would have been more open to pushing Dragon Quest, Mana, Chrono and etc in the west without fixating so hard on FF.
>>341944398whose tits are those?
>>341944398
>Chrono Trigger DS only sold 900k copies, you obviously hate it
>Bravely Default sold 550k copies! JRPGs are saved!
>>341927242
I hate them but I like their games.
tbqh familia CT don't need another game
>>341933802
>spacegoat
>>341945859
Square Enix pushed Dragon Quest and Chrono to the West. Just admit the West has shit taste instead of not taking responsability and blaming others.
>inb4 marketing
The marketing may not be as big, but the West wouldn't have gotten in something like DQ. People don't like that it "copies from Dragon Ball artsyle". Not my words, that's theirs, no matter how stupid it sounds, that's their mentality. Suikoden has a fucking oriental name. What the fuck is a Suikoden the fans will ask. Chrono suffered from the same problem as DQ but did well despite it.
FF is literally one of the few if not the only JRPG series that appeals to Westerners. Heck, the directors of the early FF games approached it in a way like they'd approach making a movie. That's not my words, but Sakaguchi's.
>>341947127
>Square Enix pushed Dragon Quest and Chrono to the West. Just admit the West has shit taste instead of not taking responsability and blaming others.
Both those series had games that sold 1.5 million copies in the west. And even ports and remakes sold more than new Tales or SMT games. Instead of taking this as a sign that those series could grow, SquareEnix threw a fit and stopped supporting them. Dragon Quest in the west and Chrono worldwide.
Don't lecture me on taking responsibility when you don't even know what you're talking about.
>>341947127
>Dragon Quest just doesn't appeal to westerners!
Yet Pokemon does. What's the difference? Pokemon and Final Fantasy got arguably the largest ongoing marketing budgets in gaming history. Dragon Quest had only 4 games get marketing in the west in 25 years.
>b-but SquareEnixdid all they could!
No they didn't.
>B-but Enix is to blame for not doing enough! Square is innocent!
Fuck off Square shill
Super Mario RPG was alright.
Not going to lie, I remember most of it than I do any other paper or Mario & Luigi games.
>>341927447
It should just die already. Turn based was the CoD/AssCreed of the RPGs back in the day, we've had enough.
>>341948139
>we've had enough
>we
Don't speak for me idiot. I'd rather have more turn based games than the ARPG shit of FFXV and KH.
>>341947586
>>Both those series had games that sold 1.5 million copies in the west.
That's including remakes and lifetime sales.
FF is more popular, you're an idiot who doesn't understand simple business and you fail to take responsabiltiy.
Stop whining, this is the free markets.
>>341947779
Pokemon has always appealed to WEsterners though. It's creatures are mostly based on animals that are known throughout the world. Some of it's mythical creatures (like dragons) are universal. Pokemon isn't as Japanese as something like Yokai Watch.
>No they didn't.
They may not, that's irrelevant. Even if they did all they could, it wouldn't be as popular as they'd wished it would be.
>Fuck off Square shill
I'd rather be a shill than a retard idiot who thinks westerners are somehow inherently superior and can't make mistakes.
>>341948139
FUCK OFF. turned based is amazing. ATB is what defines any jrpg, let alone final fantasy.
>Company makes a bunch of poor financial decisions (recently; not talking about Spirits Within) - FFXIII being an abortion, XIII-Versus being vaporware, buying Eidos, and chief among which was releasing FFXIV in an embryonic state
>Bail out XIV, releasing nothing but garbage in the interim
>XIV succeeds due to not being complete wank, with tons of promise for the future; players express goodwill and respond to faults with understanding, given the game was just rebooted (and the developers promise to start being more adventurous once things stabilise)
>profits from XIV reinvigorates the entire company
But then,
>they scale back XIV's development
>SE goes back to focusing on short-term profits from singleplayer games instead of reinvesting/pumping support into XIVs high-yield mutiplayer subscription model
>player goodwill evaporates, subscriptions plummet
>all their singleplayer shit, was- and 2 years later is still in-development
"Aww shit guise, where did all our profits go???!!!?"
>>341949654
>I'd rather have more turn based games t
Then go play D&D alone in your mom's basement.
>>341951180
>FFXIII being an abortion,
You're dumb, FFXIII sold well (not the best though).
>inb4 it's a shit game
Yeah yeah kiddo, it's a shit game. But still sold well.
>>341951180
>high yield subscription model
>less then 1 million players at level 60
>high yield
>>341950549
>That's including remakes and lifetime sales.
What? All the games that sold over a million were not remakes. You're working way too hard to try and protect your beloved Square.
>Pokemon has always appealed to WEsterners though.
because of massive marketing.
>It's creatures are mostly based on animals that are known throughout the world.
By that logic, then Dragon Quest counts as well. Since its monsters have influence from well known monsters. And if you say otherwise, then your argument doesn't work when talking about Final Fantasy. Which has even more unrealistic monsters.
>that's irrelevant.
Just like all your weird tangents you're trying to come up with.
>>341951357
>Then go play D&D alone in your mom's basement.
Funny thing is, the girl I sleep with prefers board games and D&D over video games. Because its something more social. So jokes on you.
I guess this is relevant here
Just finished the demo for this and thought it was pretty interesting
Is it worth my money?
>>341951702
hell naw the rest is shit
>>341951702
the ending is pants on head retarded. No.
>>341951489
>What? All the games that sold over a million were not remakes
In N. America that's 2 million for the whole series. In Japan, it's 48 million. Do you see the difference? And America+ Canada have a bigger population and thus more consumers.
You're not understanding the significance of the numbers.
>because of massive marketing.
And some things are far harder to market, like your precious shitty weeb games.
>By that logic, then Dragon Quest counts as well.
It would be if DQ didn't have the same shitty Dragon Ball artstyle that turns off potential customers.
>Just like all your weird tangents you're trying to come up with.
You don't get to decide what a weird tangent is with the two synapses you have.
You're so bad at arguing. Heck, I could agree that Square is shit but your lack of logic is appaling.
>>341951596
>the girl I sleep with
I can tell you're a virgin by speaking this way. You're trying too hard. Get out of your mancave more and explore the real world instead of your teenager fantasy settings.
>>341951357
It had a 46% return rate in Japan, and sold less than half what XII did.
It sold like shit.
>>341951440
It's not high-yield because they didn't reinvest any of the profits into XIV's sustainability.
Development is staffed by a skeleton crew, and they maintain a skeleton playerbase. XV will sell what, 5 million? 5x$60 = 300 million dollars (once) vs >$20mil (monthly, for the indefinite future). Not only is MMO development cheaper than AAA, so your %profit is higher, after a little over a year you've started earning more.
>>341950549
>Pokemon has always appealed to WEsterners though. It's creatures are mostly based on animals that are known throughout the world.
The most popular Pokemon are ones that aren't similar to real life animals. Even Pikachu, most people don't associate him with a mouse. The Pokemon are more iconic than the animals they represent. And a good deal of them don't resemble any real life anime.
You're an idiot who's pulling shit out of thin air to justify things you can't explain.
>b-but Gengar is likea ghost
A Japanese interpretation of a ghost. And you just said Pokemon is popular because its less Japanese. In that case, Dragon Quest is even less Japanese than Pokemon. If anything, the west should identify with traditional european fantasy more than Pokemon. Holy shit you're stupid.
>>341951978
>In N. America that's 2 million for the whole series.
Dragon Quest VIII and IX both sold 1.5 million. That's 3 million copies with just two games. Not counting all the others.
I'm done talking to you.
>>341952056
I specified that because we're not in a relationship. If anything, you sound like the virgin if you've never heard of friends with benefits.
>>341951440
to be fair, FFXIV is the 2nd most subscribed MMO on the planet right now.
>>341952154
>46% return rate in Japan
Bullshit
It sold about 10 millions for both XIII and XIII-2 by July 2012.
Not greatest, not the best they hoped for but decent.
>>341952345
>The most popular Pokemon are ones that aren't similar to real life animals. Even Pikachu, most people don't associate him with a mouse. The Pokemon are more iconic than the animals they represent. And a good deal of them don't resemble any real life anime.
That doesn't change the fact that there are lots of pokemon that are based on animals and look like them. Pokemon that don't look like animals being popular doesn't prove wrong the notion of the initial reception to Westernes being into something more universal or Western oriented. Pokemon like Gengar became popular to people after they've got a good grip and experience with pokemon.
You're a retard who's doing a strawman fallacy about popularity of pokemon, when that's not the issue.
>A Japanese interpretation of a ghost
Ghost/spirits are still universal, dumbass.
> Dragon Quest
You're retarded, learn to read, this was already adressed. You're a step behind:
>>341947127
>The marketing may not be as big, but the West wouldn't have gotten in something like DQ. People don't like that it "copies from Dragon Ball artsyle".
>>341952438
You cannot comprehend numbers, not surprising considering you have a modicum of cognition.
3 million is nothing compared to what it sells in Japan. Those games had big costs back in the day.
>>341932545
this
>>341952509
Of course you're not in a relationship, she doesn't exist.
It's okay, it's not your fault, probably your parents fault for not raising you by putting you in sports or social activities when you were a kid.
>friends with benefits.
Looks like you finished your google homework. What else did you find out about the real world?
>>341952870
>keeps coming up with bullshit
>easily proven wrong
>"all of that is irrelevant, you're just an idiot who doesn't understand!"
You really can't argue with an idiot.
>>341949654
Literally autism
>>341953370
You're a retard:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hhwa4Icw-bw
All the pokemon showed there look like either animals or creatures known well to Westerners.
Gengar was popular in the years following the initial marketing and release which is the most important in getting a foothold.
Your shitty few synpases that you have are incapable of understanding time and doing any rational argument whatsoever.
>inb4 I'm the retarded talking about 2 million!
I was doing you a favor by assuming you're the other idiot.
>>341953581
>All the pokemon showed there look like either animals or creatures known well to Westerners.
>a giant pink blob that carries an egg or a collection or rocks that looks vaguely like an asian dragon is more identifiable to westerners than actual dragons, zombies and slimes used in Dragon Quest games
You are 100% loony.
>>341954423
>mouse
>cat
>Dragon
>turtle
>dinosaur
>bug
The front pokemon were especially easily discernable. Jigglypuff is the only exception.
And like I said about DQ, it's the artsyle that's the problem. People (wrongly) think it's a Dragon Ball ripoff. Unfortunately, there are lots of people like you in the world who are incapable of rational thought.
>>341954652
>Jigglypuff is the only exception.
And Chansey. And Clefable. And Licktung. And Onix. And Mr Mime. And Electrode. And Machamp. And Hitmonlee. And Magmar. And Tangela. Etc. etc. etc.
>Unfortunately, there are lots of people like you in the world who are incapable of rational thought.
Oh the deflection!
>>341927339
/thread
>>341932612
>smashing the same command
>fun
sure buddy
>>341955416
>And Chansey. And Clefable. And Licktung. And Onix. And Mr Mime. And Electrode. And Machamp. And Hitmonlee. And Magmar. And Tangela. Etc. etc. etc.
Not shown up front, retard. Marketing puts emphasis of things that are more appealing on front.
Get a job and you'll know this.
>Oh the deflection!
The fact that you're doing a strawman fallacy when it came to your shitty Dragon Quest false attemtp at equivalency proves my point. Now you're ignoring why the equivalence was crap, which essentially means you're conceding.
You're so sensitive about having the West being critcized and your idiocy being called out. Grow some thick skin and stop being so politically correct.
>>341941497
>Well Final Fantasy The Spirits With nearly killed the company from bombing so hard
Sagauchi thinks he makes great story
>>341955731
nah
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xuWkvyeAu0E
Kingdom hearts 3 footage
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fj5MRKEJpYQ
>>341955849
I'm impressed honestly
I can't wait to play World of Final Fantasy
>>341955718
In the very commercial you posted, multiple of those were shown. And guys like Onyx were some of the most popular Pokemon in Gen I. Yet when you posted that commercial, you claimed, and I quote:
>All the pokemon showed there look like either animals or creatures known well to Westerners.
Your claim has gone from 'all' of them are identifiable to 'some' to 'only the front ones'. You're contradicting yourself so much, you don't even know what the original point was anymore.
And you still have yet to fucking prove how Dragon Quest has less identifiable monsters. Which you can't. Which is why you'll ignore everything I just said and go on another random tangent. Hoping that eventually you say something correct for once and then 'win' the argument. Or get the last post.
>>341927659
I still don't know how Taro keeps getting his projects approved. Does he have dirt on someone higher up or something?
That FFXV demonstration was...umm....
>>341927242
they turned sour for a lot of people during the previous generation with FF13 and FF14 1.0 failures that shook up fan confidence in them, but they've been getting better. what kept them going were some pretty good games from western studios, which they then threw under the buss for "not selling enough copies"-
>>341956497
> dragon quest has less identifiable monsters
not even him, and i dont give a shit about your crap, but nobody but japan cares about dragon quest, and people obviously know pokemon monsters more.
>>341947127
Thats because
DQ games fucking suck
Its the same with monster hunter. Its a shit grindy and utter repetitive game
it just has a relatively huge fandom
>>341927447
>Dragon Quest
>Bravely Default
>I Am Setsuna
FF 15 wouldn't benefit much from being turn-based. Let it go.
>>341927242
They need to localize DQ right. Don't let Nintendo get in there and toss out Honeywood's fucking retarded shit they're still following
>it costs too much to keep editing scripts for accents and making sure everything lines up with this guideline a guy we fired made
>so instead of just doing it normal we're not gonna do it for 7 years
>>341956497
>hurr durr what is the difference between something shown up front and not
You're incapable of doing simple comparison and evaluating importance. I'm curious, what do you do for a living? What do you study? I bet you're in arts/humanities.
>Your claim has gone from 'all' of them are identifiable
False. I said all of them look like X, as in objectively. I didn't say they'd be identifiable. They're put in the back for a reason and are harder to see, and they're only shown for a small time.
>you don't even know what the original point was anymore.
Oh I do, you're just unable to argue. You keep doing strawman fallacies, probably because you have no reading comprehension whatsoever. You don't know the difference between "look like" and "identifiable" (which wans't claimed.).
>And you still have yet to fucking prove how Dragon Quest has less identifiable monsters.
Strawman fallacy. I didn't claim they weren't easily identifiable.
>Which is why you'll ignore everything
I don't. I'm refuting all of your bullshit so far, which isn't much of an achievement considering how dumb your arguments are.
>Hoping that eventually you say something correct for once and then 'win' the argument. Or get the last post.
>Or get the last post.
You're projecting. So this is why you're taking so long to reply...
>>341956879
FF15 would only benefit from being scrapped.
The combat is messy, and the fact they included a wait system this late in development just shows how clueless they are. They basically took away any reason for it being an arpg.
>>341945859
>Would have stopped stupid companies like Konami from thinkin Suikoden needed to compete with FF
I'll fight you on the side of the street, faggot.
>>341956838
Well I can't argue against that. DQ is a bad series for the most part and is very grindy. It's a good thing it's not popular among the West but of couse the idiot I'm arguing with thinks that's a bad thing.
>>341956785
Holy shit, its like the entire root of this argument is about how Pokemon got more marketing in the west than Dragon Quest. Therefore Pokemon is more popular. What a breakthrough!
>>341931768
Square has ALWAYS been doing AAA graphics. There's a reason VII is one of the most expensive games ever produced.
I miss Squaresoft.
>>341957147
>Game no content
>has to make up for it with grind
>WHY DO YOU COMPLAIN
also it not just that, the series is too archaic and shitty
Instaed of arguing why the west hates it you should think why the fact asians like them nostalgia aside, thats way more baffling
>>341927242
I will never trust them again.
>>341956785
>but nobody but japan cares about dragon quest
Sales indicate its one of the top 5 most popular JRPGs in the west. Even more than Tales, SMT, NI games, etc. Of course comparing it to Final Fantasy and Pokemon, it won't be as popular. But that's the whole root of my argument. Two series with the most marketing in gaming history vs a series with little marketing. Which is going to be more popular?
>>341957407
There's nothing to market, no one gives a shit about DQ, faggot.
>>341957478
Some of the reason I've read about Westerners not getting into DQ is quite dumb though, not that there's legitimate reason not to be against DQ.
>>341957562
>it's one of the top 5 JRPG!
That's like being one of the top 5 in a classroom of 6.
>>341957478
>Dragon Quest
>game has no content
Holy shit dude. No one is saying you have to like Dragon Quest. But saying it has no content is the dumbest argument I've ever sen. Dragon Quest VII and IX are some of the longest non MMO RPGs in history for a reason. And if you think the majority of it is grinding, you are just cracked.
Early FF games also had far more grinding than DQ games. A game like Final Fantasy III takes far more grinding to get through the last dungeon than all of Dragon Quest III as a game. Same with FFII compared to DQII.
>>341957671
>a game needs to be popular before it can be marketed
We need to go deeper into this stupidity!
>>341957767
>FF is more grindy because of the first 3 games no one cares or played or even heard of them
>Since for the people FF "officially" started with 4
>>341945859
> Would have stopped stupid companies like Konami from thinkin Suikoden needed to compete with FF
What's wrong with competition? A lot of fantastic games are produced with the intent of toppling down the competition.
>>341957671
>That's like being one of the top 5 in a classroom of 6.
>there's only six JRPG series
>>341957081
it's not like suikoden was ever in direct competition with final fantasy. I mean, no more than any other jrpg simply by being a jrpg. if you look at the two they're pretty damn different.
>>341957767
>FFIV DS
>grinding
Nah, you're just shit.
DQ games are shit, and can't compete against other established JRPGs outside of Japan.
>>341957864
Another strawman coming from the retard... Yet again, I have to spell something out that is obvious.
No, that's not what I said. I'm essentially saying it's impossible for Dragon Quest to be marketed to the point it will become satisfyingly popular in the West.
In other words, there are some things that can become popular and other things that cannot. For many reasons already mentioned in the thread by many people who are retards (that excludes you), Dragon Quest will never ever be popular in the West. Cry about it some more though, that's enjoyable to see.
>>341958006
Not him
i went on a JRPG spree and nothing comes close to FF/Chronotrigger/xenogear
That sentence is not too far off
>>341957940
Nothing is wrong with competition. What is wrong is when a company sets out to make an RPG on a budget less than a Castlevania game. And then expects it to outperform a 100 million dollar RPG. They're not competing with each other.
>>341958006
>what is a hyperbole
Your hands are reaching farther than you can grasp and you don't have the sense to know any better.
>>341958061
>Another strawman coming from the retard...
>proceeds to strawman and deflect
>>341958101
>I only liked these games
>all the others don't exists a result
>>341958101
Bold. What have you played on your 'spree', out of curiosity?
Final Fantasy and the games from both companies were practically my childhood. Everyone has a favorite Final Fantasy but I genuinely like every single one between 4 and 12. I loved Star Ocean as well so the merger of these two companies was so full of promise.
When 13 came around and all the games after that I simply lost interest in most of what the company has to offer. My thoughts on the company are pretty telling when I'm in the unique position where I will be able to play Final Fantasy 15 for free when it comes out but I'm more interested in Nier 2 and Persona 5.
Fabula Nova Crystallis really ruined the company for me.
>>341958061
>No, that's not what I said. I'm essentially saying it's impossible for Dragon Quest to be marketed to the point it will become satisfyingly popular in the West.
Which is true because it doesn't have that same nostalgic core fanbase like FF does at this point, which is something DQ enjoys heavily in Japan. And nostalgia is huge in marketing new games in the same series.
>>341958138
>what is a hyperbole
The tool of someone who has run out of actual examples. The original guy keeps trying to claim he is an authority on the subject and belittling anyone who contradicts him. Then his 'facts' end up being hyperbole and massive generalizations.
>>341958185
Where is the strawman? I explained my point, how the fuck is that a strawman you retard.
I suggest looking up terms you have no clue about before proving to others that you're more of an idiot that they thought.
>>341958185
>Those games are the essence of the genre
>Story focused
>High production value
>with some exploration and puzzles
>huge dungeons
>over world map
>Secrets
>The visuals blow all the other away
>etc
>>341958253
what i found in the Snes PS i hadn't played and some PS2 and PSP
For some reason only square got it right and some square games suck too
>>341930742
>Except IV.
Well at least he doesn't have totally shit taste.
>>341958287
Hyberbole is used to make a point more illustrating. It's not like you'd understanding a list of examples being put in front of you anyway.
>>341958272
Correct, nostalgia is a big thing. It's why Zelda is arguably still a big thing.
But I'd argue DQ couldn't have gotten much Nostalgia in the West.
>>341927242
depends on what they do with the new front mission game they're supposedly working on
>>341958061
>I'm essentially saying it's impossible for Dragon Quest to be marketed to the point it will become satisfyingly popular in the West.
It already is popular enough in the west to sell well. Even remakes and spin offs with zero marketing sell 400-500k. And games that actually get marketing sell 1.5 million.
What you're claiming is 'Dragon Quest will never reach the sales of Final Fantasy'. Which it doesn't have to. Dragon Quest has reached the same level of sales Chrono games did. With better marketing, it could reach the level of Kingdom Hearts, or even go beyond that.
The sad thing is, literally all SquareEnix needs to do to sell more DQ is play up the connections to Dragon Ball and Chrono Trigger. Dragon Ball games still sell 3-4 million copies. Clearly Akira Toriyama's style is not a deterrent. It should be used to generate more sales for Dragon Quest as well. And what does that take? Say it with me. Marketing.
>in before 'dur hur no one likes Dragon Quest' idiot response
>>341930281
>>341930742
You don't need to be a FF fan to like DQ. I don't have strong feelings towards FF (I think FFVI, VII are overrated). I'm more of a WRPG fan.
But anyone can tell just how bad DQ is tho.
>>341958554
NANII?
>>341958478
>But I'd argue DQ couldn't have gotten much Nostalgia in the West.
>Dragon Ball becomes the most known anime in the west
>Pokemon, a series which blatantly copies Dragon Quest, becomes the biggest video game series in the west
>both happen around 1998
If Dragon Quest had gotten better marketing at the same time, it would have rode the same wave. Though I know you'll disagree and claim otherwise.
>>341958618
>It already is popular enough in the west to sell well.
False. 91% of DQ sales are from Japan.
There. That number discredits everything in your post.
The only way you could dismiss that number is if you can somehow claim the Western market has few consumers and so it's natural for a game to be popular there and for the sales to be at least 90% in sales there.
>>341958418
>Those games are the essence of the genre
>Story focused
>High production value
>with some exploration and puzzles
>huge dungeons
>over world map
>Secrets
>The visuals blow all the other away
>etc
Its like you never played a Dragon Quest game. You probably don't even know that the Dragon Quest team worked on Chrono Trigger.
>>341958762
>If Dragon Quest had gotten better marketing at the same time,
Prove it.
>Though I know you'll disagree and claim otherwise.
Your claim has no evidence behind it. It's not even being against it, there is no reason to believe in it just like there is no reason to believe electing Romney over Obama would have put humans on another galaxy.
>>341958823
70% of sales for FF are from the west. Does that suddenly mean Final Fantasy sells poorly in Japan? No, its a percentage. And you're an idiot.
>>341958762
>If Dragon Quest had gotten better marketing at the same time, it would have rode the same wave.
No they wouldnt
DQ games are too archaic
while Square focused on the narrative and designed the world and game around it it most of the other companies kept making dungeon crawlers with a twist or neglected the story part to the minimum and added tons of combat
This is the case for DQ, if you compare DQ games with their FF contemporary youll notice its pretty obvious
FF8 is the pinnacle of the genre
>B-but it sucks
it doesnt
>>341958886
I don't see the point. Same team will make always same quality stuff?
>>341958965
>70% of sales for FF are from the west.
Yes and FF is popular in the west.
>Does that suddenly mean Final Fantasy sells poorly in Japan?
No, because Japan takes a significant percentage despite how small it's population is compared to the West.
>No, its a percentage. And you're an idiot.
That's funny coming from a retard who cannot comprehend statistics. I bet you're the same idiot who thinks blacks doing more than 40% of crimes despite being less than 20% of the population is just a percentage.
Everything objective in this world is down to numbers, you retard. And if you can't understand it, that says a lot more about your stupidity than anyone elses.
>>341958919
>Prove it.
After you prove it wouldn't have.
>Your claim has no evidence behind it.
Neiyther has any claim you've made. I've disproven at least a dozen of your claims so far and you just ignore it and come up with some other bogus argument. Now you're claiming DQ selling 5+ million in the west is bad because 'lol its only 9% of total sales'. You got proven wrong when you said DQ only sold 2 million in the west, so you changed your argument to percentages. And that's not going to work either.
>Final Fantasy XV
>Final Fantasy VII Remake
>Final Fantasy XII: The Zodiac Age
>World of Final Fantasy
>Final Fantasy Type 0 Online
>Kingdom Hearts 2.8
>Kingdom Hearts III
>Dragon Quest VII 3DS
>Dragon Quest VIII 3DS
>Dragon Quest Builders
>Dragon Quest Heroes 2
>Nier Automata
>Bravely Second
>I Am Setsuna
>Star Ocean: Integrity and Faithlessness
Literally the best company in the game industry with the most upcoming probably high quality video games.
>>341928103
Only VIII is censored and no.
>>341959218
>After you prove it wouldn't have.
Burden of proof lies on you, retard.
I can't prove a negative. You're an idiot claiming unicorns exist and asking others to prove otherwise.
>Neiyther has any claim you've made.
Oh really? I can source all my claims on sales for one.
>I've disproven at least a dozen of your claims
In your childish mind, repeating something is equivalent to disproving even when it's about repeating bullshit. You're unable to make any rational claim.
>Now you're claiming DQ selling 5+ million in the west is bad because 'lol its only 9% of total sales'
Oh so you're the idiot who thinks it's just a percentage. Go back to studying for your arts degree.
>You got proven wrong when you said DQ only sold 2 million in the west
I didn't claim so.
>so you changed your argument to percentages.
Percentages matter, retard. Proportions make it clear what something is in relation to something else in terms of quantity and sometimes frequency.
>>341959183
>while Square focused on the narrative and designed the world and game around it it most of the other companies kept making dungeon crawlers with a twist or neglected the story part to the minimum and added tons of combat
Dragon Quest had a stronger narrative in DQIII and IV before FFIV even came out. And the story and presentation in FFIV was a fucking joke. This is a game where people rush to kill themselves just to open up spots on the party and you go to the fucking moon. Dragon Quest followed this up with Dragon Quest V, which destroys FFIV on all levels. The content of the story, the way it is told, the emotional reaction to characters deaths, everything.
And to add to that, FF games have more dungeon crawling than DQ games after II. DQ focuses more on NPC interaction and exploration than FF games as well.
I bet you haven't even played a DQ game. Considering you have been wrong about every single point you've spewed in this thread.
>>341959585
Not him but you've been so adamant to criticism, you're turning off any one who'd be interested in playing DQ.
The other's post makes more accurate claims and you're using vague words.
>>341959517
>Burden of proof lies on you, retard.
Basedon what logic? Because you want to take the defensive? You're the one making all these outrageous claims of how DQ isn't [popular (which I disproved) and how it could never increase in popularity with marketing. But you have no way to back it up. So you deflect and claim I have to prove it. Good job. You graduated to a five year olds levels of arguing skills. You learned how to say 'no u'.
>two faggots ruin a thread
can you just fuck off? you obviously have opposing opinions and will never agree, so just stop.
>>341927242
Looking forward to Deus ex
>>341959703
>The other's post makes more accurate claims
Like what? Both our posts are opinions. And a guy can spew 50 posts of baseless DQ hate, but the guy calling him out on it is in the wrong?
>>341959783
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philosophic_burden_of_proof
It's based on Western thinking that has made possible a lot of things, including the very device you use to spew your irrational nosense. I'd call you a third world idiot but I doubt even third worlders could be as dumb as you.
>you're the one making all these outrageous claims of how DQ isn't [popular
They're not popular and you have no proof.
You're skewing numbers to make them look big. 100 million people is big... unless you put in in perspective of a world of 7 billion people.
But you're too incompetent to comprehend a perecentage or anything put in relation to something else.
>You learned how to say 'no u'.
Wrongly claiming others of "deflecting" is essentially doing just that.
You're conceding everything else.
>>341959990
I'll quote Douglas Adams since it's very relevant.
"“All opinions are not equal. Some are a very great deal more robust, sophisticated and well supported in logic and argument than others.” "
Just in case you didn't get it, you're not the one with the more logical argument.
>>341959585
See
>>341957912
>FF is more grindy because of the first 3 games no one cares or played or even heard of them
>Since for the people FF "officially" started with 4
>This is a game where people rush to kill themselves just to open up spots on the party and you go to the fucking moon. Dragon Quest followed this up with Dragon Quest V, which destroys FFIV on all levels. The content of the story, the way it is told, the emotional reaction to characters deaths, everything.
Told how? Some dialogs in between killing shit? because thats what it was
4 was very prototypical but it showed the direction they wanted to go, One continuous story, pseudo cutscenes, world that advance as the story moves on, inaccessible areas you can go but not enter, multiple worlds, tons of dialog, npcs you had to talk with and things to see before being able to move on etc
>ames have more dungeon crawling than DQ games after II. DQ focuses more on NPC interaction and exploration than FF games as well.
Lies
I can just go to youtube and find videos about both games and youll see the difference
>I bet you haven't even played a DQ game. Considering you have been wrong about every single point you've spewed in this thread.
I have and they all have these things, they didn't move forward. HAve you played them and FFs?
Breath of Fire for example got it shit together and did massive leaps in between 123 , DQ got stuck in time
>>341960041
>You're skewing numbers to make them look big.
I never skewed any number. I just corrected you when you undercut numbers. You said all the DQ games combined sold 2 million. I pointed out that just DQVIII and IX sold 3 million, not counting the 20+ other games released in the west.
You then ignored this and just went on rants about how DQ isn't popular in the west. I laid out examples of how it is one of the five best selling JRPG series in the west, which you belittled and quickly ignored.
And now you have changed from stating your (incorrect) 2 million unit statement and changed it to '91% of sales aren't in the west'. Talk about skewing numbers.
>>341960261
>You said all the DQ games combined sold 2 million
False, quote me verbatim where I said that.
Again, you're doing a strawman fallacy.
>how DQ isn't popular in the west.
It isn't. Heck, I'm not the only one who thinks so. Even your DQ fanboy boyfriend in this thread (or maybe it's just you and you're that inconsistent), thought so as well and was whining about Enix and later Square Enix not making it popular enough.
>>341960261
>changed it to '91% of sales aren't in the west'
That's the only figure I used to talk about the whole series. The 2 million was about Chrono Trigger. By whole series I meant Trigger and Cross. But I could be wrong there.
>>341956615
If you stopped being such a fucking newfag and lurked more in Nier/Drakengard threads, you'd know the answer.
>>341959237
They are also publishing some of the best games out there.
>>341960201
>you're not the one with the more logical argument.
But see, you didn't provide reasons why my argument is illogical. You just posted a quote about how opinions are not equal. But you don't even understand what Adams was saying. That opinions have more or less weight based on the perception of who hears them. This is not based on logic or facts but on the individuals own opinions.
Let me summerize your quote with another quote that personifies you very well.
"A little bit of knowledge is a dangerous thing."
>>341960514
>False, quote me verbatim where I said that.
>>341951978
>In N. America that's 2 million for the whole series. In Japan, it's 48 million.
>Again, you're doing a strawman fallacy.
You don't even know what Strawman means. Misquoting someone, as you were accusing me of, is not 'strawman'. I guess I was wrong. You don't even have a little bit of knowledge.
>>341960680
I'm not trying to prove that to you since it's not like you'd understand. I mean, someone this ignorant that would make such bad arguments is a lost cause. My post was more for others since they'd know your posts are crap.
>That opinions have more or less weight based on the perception of who hears them.
Wow, you're really this retarded. It's not surprising you dismiss percentages. You're a regressive who doesn't believe in math and objectivity of logic and reason.
>"A little bit of knowledge is a dangerous thing."
You're projecting.
XV is going to befun
>>341927242
The most Unjust company in recent years.
Haven't released or published a bad game since the original XIII and even that's debatable
The future is also very bright for them.
FFXV, KHIII, Nier: A, VII:R, WoFF, DesuSex all are shaping up to be great games
They're easily at the top of japanese gamedev at the moment.
>>341960884
Like I said, I was talking about Chrono series not Dragon Quest. Learn to read.
>You don't even know what Strawman means.
More than you.
>Misquoting someone, as you were accusing me of, is not 'strawman'.
Arguing against a misquote is. But you're not really misquoting, you're just incapable of any reading comprehension. Is English your first language? If so, that's quite sad.
>>341960935
>I'm not trying to prove that to you since it's not like you'd understand.
Funny. I said the same thing to you about 10 posts ago.
>Wow, you're really this retarded. It's not surprising you dismiss percentages.
Just like you dismissed your original 2 million number that I disproved. And the entire marketing point that started this argument has mysteriously vanished under your rants. Its almost like you're working to deflect away from all the actual points because you know you can't back them up... How curious.
>mfw they finally fixed the combat
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NDHg-OsoSyU
Thank god they included the wait mode to please turn-based shitters which allowed them to go full on with the action combat.
September can't come soon enough.
>>341961039
>Like I said, I was talking about Chrono series not Dragon Quest.
>>In N. America that's 2 million for the whole series. In Japan, it's 48 million.
>Chrono Trigger sold 48 million copies in Japan
You were talking about Dragon Quest.
You've deflected so much, you can't even keep track of your own bullshit.
Making mainline games MMO's was a fucking mistake.
>>341961229
>Funny. I said the same thing to you about 10 posts ago.
Considering you deny maths, my claim is actually accurate.
>Just like you dismissed your original 2 million number
Again, that's about Chrono.
Dragon quest isn't much higher though: http://dragon-quest.org/wiki/Worldwide_Dragon_Quest_Sales
>And the entire marketing point that started this argument has mysteriously vanished under your rants.
You've been unable to argue further. You conceded.
>s because you know you can't back them up.
Says the retard who doesn't understand how percentages work, has had everyone disagree with him in the thread about his blind DQ fanboyism, does strawman fallacies and burden of proof fallacy.
You haven't made a single argument that has any facts or sources behind it. And any time there's a number you don't like, you dismiss it because your tiny brain can't comprehend it.
>>341961394
>You were talking about Dragon Quest.
Nope, I was talking about the Trigger series.
Keep strawmanning like a retard.
/ffg/ and their creepy obsession with Record Keeper will save Square Enix.
>>341961645
>Chrono as a series has sold 48 million in Japan
Go ahead and prove this. Honestly, it would be easier to keep trolling like a retard by just admitting you were talking about Dragon Quest. Since at least that series has sold 48 million in Japan.
>>341962179
You mentioned Dragon Quest and Chrono Trigger. I give figures for both. The 48 million is more Dragon Quest.
But anyway, 2 million isn't far off from the actual number as shown in this source: http://dragon-quest.org/wiki/Worldwide_Dragon_Quest_Sales
But you're going to deny that source because it has numbers and you're allergic to them like a feminist.
>>341962373
>I was talking about Dragon Quest in one part of the sentence, then Chrono Trigger in another
>didn't specify either one
>all the posts before that were talking about Dragon Quest
>Chrono Trigger was mentioned many posts later when referencing Akira Toriyama
>look, I have the correct numbers now!
>strawman if you question me
I think this is the dumbest argument I've ever seen on /v/. And the sad thing is, its not the first time I've seen this guy do this.
>>341962815
You first mentioned both Dragon Quest and Chrono Trigger.
See >>341945859
>>341947586
And now you're conceding the fact that Dragon quest sold less than 3 million in America and have no sources for any of your numbers.
You're a special type of retard. You've also conceded when it comes to the other poster tearing your shitty series apart.
>>341962373
Your source says DQ has sold 2.7 million in North America and 1.6 million in Europe. That's way beyond your original statement. Even if you only cherry pick North American numbers, its wrong. And it still doesn't disprove my original point, that DQ sells better in the west than pretty much all JRPGs except FF, Pokemon and Souls. To which your only response is 'that's not enough sales to be popular'. Being the fourth best selling JRPG series in the west with almost no marketing is a huge feat. The same feat Final Fantasy did on NES and SNES. The difference is, FF kept getting marketing. The biggest marketing push in gaming history.
>>341963046
I also mentioned Mana. Yet you didn't add that into your total, which miraculously changes based on whatever the argument is.
And based on the numbers you just gave, you are admitting that you were talking about DQ with both numbers. Despite spending the last four posts claiming 'oh no, I was talking about Chrono....no wait, I was talking about Chrono with one number, then DQ with the other...oh no wait, I meant both Chrono and DQ together'.
All of which are STILL wrong.
>>341951068
atb is fucking awful
its always to slow to make you feel immersed in the game
and to fast for you to feel comfy
>>341963078
Original statement was about how it wasn't popular in the west. And it's not 1.6 million just in Europe,it's Europe and Asia. But let's try to help your argument a little by claiming it's all European sales.
So that's 4.3 million sales in the West, a population of well over 700 million people. Compared to that island of about 100 million : 48 million sales.
You're too dumb for maths so I'll expain it to you like I'll explain it to a child. Sales in the west is like a branch and sales in Japan is a tree. Okay?
>that DQ sells better in the west than pretty much all JRPGs except FF, Pokemon and Souls.
That's false. Every single one of those series sold well over 4.3 million units. Heck the Souls seris is younger and it did better...
You're delusional, seek help.
>>341963271
>I also mentioned Mana.
Yes, and? That's not the issue. Your whole argument was shit anyway.
>>341963271
>Despite spending the last four posts claiming 'oh no, I was talking about Chrono....no wait, I was talking about Chrono with one number, then DQ with the other...oh no wait, I meant both Chrono and DQ together'.
You're getting more retarded by the minute. 2 million is not 2.7 million. 2 million was for Chrono. 2.7 is for DQ.
You have yet to show a single source of any of your bullshit. I predicted you'd dismiss the numbers because they hurt your head. And I was yet again proven wrong. You're so easily predictable.
Anyway, weren't you supposed to not post? You're inconsistent.
>>341963630
>And I was yet again proven right.
Fixed.
>>341963548
Well at least it's still turn based.
>>341963630
>that DQ sells better in the west than pretty much all JRPGs except FF, Pokemon and Souls.
>That's false. Every single one of those series sold well over 4.3 million units.
Can you even read? DQ has sold better than any other JRPG in the west EXCEPT FF, Souls and Pokemon.
>Yes, and? That's not the issue.
But apparently fudging numbers to include Chrono is part of the issue. And even then, its wrong. Because NA sales for Chrono Trigger + Dragon Quest would be over 4.5 million. But here's where your argument miraculously changes once again. 'Oh, I meant just Chrono by itself, and only the North American numbers, not all of the west! Despite responding to someone who was talking about the western numbers for Dragon Quest.
>>341963548
>comfy
Stop being autistic. ATB is the best combat.
>>341964610
Stop talking to him big green. let this thread die it's just you two being stupid and going in circles.
>>341964610
>Can you even read? DQ has sold better than any other JRPG in the west EXCEPT FF, Souls and Pokemon.
By everyone of those series, I mean every other jrpg.
Soul series being young and doing better just shows how shit DQ is.
>But apparently fudging numbers to include Chrono is part of the issue.
So you're conceding that DQ isn't popular.
>Because NA sales for Chrono Trigger + Dragon Quest would be over 4.5 million.
Okay so it's 6 something million. This makes your argument look even dumber.
>Despite responding to someone who was talking about the western numbers for Dragon Quest.
You don't have any facts that supports your tirade about DQ. There isn't a single reliable source that makes your DQ sales in the west look attractive.
You already gave up when the other anon completly destroyed you on how shitty DQ is compared to FF. And now you're conceding that You're literally doing the fallacy fallacy argument now, ignoring the conclusion and solely focusing on a supposed fallacious argument and inconsistency. Even if there were some inconsistency, that doesn't change the conclusion: DQ isn't popular in the West.
Keep crying about it.
>>341964721
I don't care if you think I'm dumb but I'll just let you know, you're trying to convince someone who denies math like a SJW: >>341959218
He probably is one too but that's another matter.
>>341964983
>Soul series being young and doing better just shows how shit DQ is.
>a series heavily marketed by Sony became more popular than a series with no marketing in 10 years
I bet you don't even remember that this whole argument started over marketing. Not that it matters since you'll just deflect and ignore it.
Which I am now going to do to you. Goodbye.
>>341965284
>hurr durr it's marketing's fault as to why DQ isn't popular in the West
>hurr durr actually DQ is popular! It's 5th out of 6 most popular JRPG!
>hurr durr I won't reply to you anymore... actually I'll keep replying because too dumb for any consistency
Have you ever done any mathematics beyond calculus 101?
Also, deflection for you just means proving your shitty arguments wrong.
>Which I am now going to do to you. Goodbye.
You lost long before. But it's good that you've now conceded that DQ is both shit and not popular in the West.
>>341930184
>Chrono
The series is complete, get over it.
>>341965190
>you're trying to convince someone who denies math like a SJW
That doesn't even make sense. Why don't you stop using idiotic memes and maybe I'll take your side over his.
>>341965960
SJWs denying numbers and facts (when it comes to minorities for example) isn't an idiotic meme, but since you've been living under a rock this needs to be stated.
>>341932545
this so much
>>341966238
I was actually referring to you bringing up SJWs at all since it doesn't add to your point. But since your point was just an insult, and now you're doing the same thing towards me, I have my answer. You were the troll.
>tfw I liked Legend of Mana
>tfw never ever getting an enhanced version or some better version that fixes some of the original games problems.
>tfw nobody will care about this game in the slightest.
You know, there was a very similar thread months before DQ7 got the first set international release and one guy was constantly arguing that nobody had a right to complain because SE was fiddling around with a bunch of other projects and teasers of stuff that they might be making.
>>341927447
Their turn based games are on smartphones.
>Dragon Quest has sold over 4 million copies in the west
>its not popular
Wow. That's...some logic you got there. Team Ico games are practically worshiped and they only sold 3 million. Mother and Fire Emblem as well.
>>341967164
So I just checked out of curiosity. In USA it's 2.7M copies sold ACROSS 18 GAMES.
That's not fucking popular. That's super fucking niche. They sell less than goddamn Paradox games.
>>341968174
If Enix had cashed in on Dragon Ball Z's popularity during the Toonami days, could those numbers have been any different?
>>341968174
Whatever you say dude. Most game series would love to sell that much. if you think every series that sells less than FF is niche, than you probably should use a different word than niche. Since 99.99% of games don't reach the sales of FF. Including every other SquareEnix series.
