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>Several sources have indicated to me that PlayStation Neo launches this year, despite its E3 no-show. If that is the case, it'll be interesting to see how developers utilise its resources, and whether 4K really is the focus. And we can be equally as sure that Microsoft will be watching just as intently as it gears up for its own next-gen roll-out.
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2016-are-4k-visuals-really-the-best-use-for-playstation-neo-and-project-scorpio
>4.14TF Polaris GPU
>Same Jaguar Core CPU
>No RAM upgrade
Literally what is the point of this console existing with such a meagre upgrade?
It's pretty simple. Unless it has backwards compatibility, it's going to sit untouched. Especially if Sony goes crazy with the price.
>>341891646
>and whether 4K really is the focus.
It can't handle 4k with modern games. The scorpio MAYBE can do it at 30 fps.
But 4 tflops and a shitty jaguar? 4K on indieshit/cartoony "artistic" shit maybe
Not sure what the point was. Maybe for non shit vr? But even then vr will still be limited in looks.
If I had to guess, they're afraid of scorpio and are forced to rush it. PSVR isn't even out yet either and throwing them both at the same time is retarded.
>>341892330
>If I had to guess, they're afraid of scorpio and are forced to rush it.
This was planned so far before Scorpio that developers already had dev kits back in April (Which is how it leaked). It was already this year. The details just make it seem significantly less of an actual leap when Nvidia's cards are already on beast mode and AMD is releasing a budget $199 card that has a 40% more powerful GPU.
Seriously, people need to get it out of their head it was a reaction to Scorpio. Todd Howard said he wasn't told about Scorpio till 2 weeks before the Xbox conference and MS are still well in the "Blueprint" phase of planning. PS4 Neo was planned well back in 2015 and put into production for this year. The question is what is the point for such a slight spec bump?
>>341891646
nope, they're probably going to revise it after seeing scorpio
>>341891646
basically founders edition for 4k30/4kbluray or 1080p60fps autismals
don't kid yourself
>>341892986
They can't. It's too late in production to make better specs and if they scrapped it, it would cost them millions to scrap the project and restart it to respond.
And even then, what happens if they turn up next year with a scrapped Neo and say 6TF. But Microsoft shows up on stage and says 6TF was the baseline target for Scorpio, but they worked with AMD to get 8 or 9TF at a low cost (And keep in mind that AMD are releasing a card at profit that delivers 5.5TF for $199 this year that will be $99 next year).
They have to keep playing with the gamble they made with neo as it is now.
>>341892330
The point isn't 4K gaming but 4K video. Sony has always used Playstation as a way to sell other things. 1 was CD, 2 was DVD, 3 was blu ray, and now 4 is 4K tvs.
lol, sony fucked up not announcing this at e3
microsoft already announced the scorpio. so the neo will always seem unimpressive now
Screencap this:
Scorpio will be a beastly capable prebuilt console like pc (just like og xbox)
Sony will cling to its exclusivity, but wont be a match spec wise
>>341893347
it doesn't matter when neo shows up, hasn't been announced and scorpion $2000 machine isn't going to close the 45milion userbase gap
>>341891646
sony and microsoft have officially killed console gaming
Good thing I haven't bought any consoles this gen, so my options are open still.
If neo is a good price i could see it selling more despite being less powerful, but I am intrigued by scorpio, but don't trust microsoft after my 360 still.
4k is meaningless to me, I won't upgrade tv for another few years.
My pc is enough for now till this all pans out.
>>341893984
>Neo hasn't been announced, but power doesn't matter any more
>Scorpio will cost $2000
Cool story, bro
>>341893803
So you're saying that Bone 2.0 will be powerful, but the PS4K will have the vidya? just like the PS2 and XBOX before them?
Anon if you're trying to sell the Bone 2 to me, you're failing pretty hard.
Did Nintendo accidentally cause Sony and Microsoft to intentionally stop all momentum they had by trying to close out the Wii U early? Why would they even bother with a PS4.5?
Does anyone have any idea what they're doing?
>>341894438
It doesn't matter. all their big titles are ps4 titles, neo is like a gold ps4 and their solution to hardware-nerds and 4k bluray. Especially if they're going the mobile/osx upgrade path ps4 original will be unsupported after a few revisions; with x86 and forward compatibility it makes more sense then buying a whole new console. all the drawbacks of losing your entire library and backwards compatibility are eliminated.
There still is no Sony answer to Scorpio yet, autismos.
PS4K is supposed to be on par with the Xbone S.
>>341894817
>There still is no Sony answer to Scorpio yet, autismos.
where da games?
I talked to some friends that own a ps4 or bone, none want to upgrade and are almost insulted.
One friend is just gonna build a pc next year because he's done with this shit.
I think it'll be an interesting forray into uncharted territory, but mid cycle upgrades have failed to catch on in the past, but sega is a terrible example and they did everything wrong.
I honestly hate this. I want to get a PS4 but I'm stuck in a state of whether I just buy it now or just wait until the Neo. I don't have a 4K tv so that is pointless to me.
>>341893797
>microsoft already announced the scorpio. so the neo will always seem unimpressive now
Their plan is simple. Hope people forget about the scorpio and then announce it.
>>341891646
So PS4 will be 3x stronger than xbone for a whole year? I don't know if Scorpio will be relevant when it launches anymore.
>>341891896
What a deal.
>>341895663
PS4 Neo will be lagging well behind PC's once the GTX 1070 and RX 480 are on the market anyway.
The best option is just to buy your own PC since there's nothing really worthwhile on PS4
Most people don't have a 4K tv so I don't know why they're pushing this so much as a selling point.
>>341891646
At higher resolutions the GPU is stressed more than the CPU is. Consoles use all kinds of bullshit upscaling anyway so there is no real need for more CPU power.
They're trying to turn a profit above all else, they're not going to pay for a semi-custom chip with totally new IP.
And for god sake the GPU arch isn't called Polaris, its 4th gen GCN.
>>341892986
Kid, Sony and Microsoft have both known what the other's hardware was going to be like as soon as it entered risk production. There are no secrets in manufacturing. A well known writer for a tech site personally pays some fab workers out of pocket for insider info, he has done so for years, and his track record is so good because of it that he started putting articles behind a paywall.
Corporations do the exact same thing.
Sony didn't get surprised by Microsoft having a more powerful console designed, just like Microsoft wasn't surprised by the PS4.
>>341894693
Nintendo isn't a relevant company.
Sony isn't releasing a PS4.5, its a halo product.
>>341896271
Cause they want people to move on already
>>341896020
>buy a pc
>nothing worthwhile on ps4
Why don't go back /r/pcmasterrace you meme person
>>341896020
>PS4 Neo will be lagging well behind PC's once the GTX 1070 and RX 480 are on the market anyway.
>As long as games on Neo become 1080/60fps I don't care about more.
>The best option is just to buy your own PC since there's nothing really worthwhile on PS4
Maybe for you, not for me:
>Kingdom Hearts 2.8
>Nioh
>The Last Guardian
>God of War
>Wild
>Persona 5
>Nier
>Exist Archive
>Grand Kingdom
>Yakuza 0
>Vanillaware new game
>Ace Combat 7
>Injustice 2
>Spidermanps4
>Days Gone
>Kingdom Hearts 3
>Horizon Zero Dawn
>etc
>>341896334
>a halo product.
What's that?
>>341896271
https://www.amazon.com/Samsung-UN40KU6300-40-Inch-Ultra-Smart/dp/B01DUTL4OI/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1466279596&sr=8-1&keywords=uhd+4k+tv
>>341896781
>Nothing worthwhile: The list
Sure hope you didn't buy a console for that load of garbage
>>341896810
An high end niche that resides over the mainstream product line without replacing it.
>>341896271
VR + its a way to maintain their sale with a high selling price : Like Apple and their iphone "S".
Also it can appeal the rich guy who got a 4k and don't know what to do with his money.
>>341896781
he meant 1080p60 multipats, greenlight and 4k~50fps-midsettings everything else
>>341896923
here's a (You)
>I-IT'S TOTALLY COMING OUT GUYS!!!!
>like 4 months of absolutely nothing but clickbait speculation
lol
>>341891646
>its own next-gen roll-out.
>next-gen
I think this person should put their keyboard down.
>>341896923
dont you have petitions to sign and beg for ports?
>>341896992
probably cost cutting with new revision; samsung has cheaper/larger ram chips now and probably will be vr ready meaning it won't need breakout box
everyone is going into rageculture because muh20year console generation
>>341896923
>Nothing worthwhile: The list
Maybe you're illiterate? Did you read the
>Maybe for you, not for me
part?
Your taste is irrelevant.
>>341897083
Sony don't want to shit on their fanbase unlike microsoft who definitely seem to enjoy this :
>Here look at this all our games are available on W10
>Oh BTW next year we will release the scorpio because framerate matters unlike what we said before
>Hey check those new controllers since the original controller sux
>>341894234
patient master-race reporting in
>>341897432
>Sony don't want to shit on their fanbase
So why are they going to announce a new console at the last minute then?
>>341891646
We already know it's just going for 4K upscaled and not an actual 4K image. MS kept saying "true 4K" with scorpio but anyone with even 5 minutes of exposure to marketing bullshit should be skeptical of that.Not to mention AMD
>>341897231
https://www.change.org/p/4chan-org-please-pcucks-delete-your-posts
>>341896781
>Same tired list that we've seen for 2 years now at least
Wew
>>341897558
ps2 is doomed
>>341891646
to stream netflix in 4k.
I still dont know what the neo is. Should i get a ps4 now or just wait? I heard neo was supposed to compliment the console.
>>341897558
Sorry, i meant that sony don't want to OPENLY shit on their fanbase. They are a little bit subtle. Microsoft are just good at shooting themselves in the foot
>>341897812
>4k stream
Is such a thing even possible?
>>341897818
A more powerful PS4, it will have the same games as the standard PS4 and if OP's article is right it's coming this year so you might as well wait and see if it's worth it.
>>341891646
>Nvidia GeForce GTX 1080 launch, I played Rise of the Tomb Raider at native 4K with HDR enabled and with quality settings that, while not quite maxed, easily out-strip the Xbox One version. Aside from what looked like a wobbly 35-40fps (something easily fixed) the experience was simply magnificent. Improved effects, higher detail texture work, brilliantly vivid colour - this was the best Rise of the Tomb Raider experience it's possible to have, and compared to the existing console version, there was undoubtedly a 'next-gen' feel about it.
didn't game journalists literally say 1080p60 did not matter like a year or so ago?
>>341897432
xbox is a prebuilt pc for people who don't want a pc
>>341898046
Game journalists say a lot of shit, don't worry about it.
>>341897995
Depending on where you live and what's your internet speed. But for 95% of people not even close.
>>341897995
With extremely fast internet, that isn't available to 95% of Americans, or other parts of the world.
The only thing Neo will do is upscale to 4k, which is also to help Sony sell their 4k TVs that nobody cares about. Again 4k TVs are also pointless with the few amount of shows and movies that have 4k options.
>>341897818
Yes wait for the neo since lot of games are coming out in 2017. I don't think that it will affect the framerate or graphics and if it doesn't it will lower the price of the ps4 anyway.
>>341894693
Nintendo didn't do jack, Sony and Microsoft forced themselves to do this by releasing underpowered hardware at the beginning of the gen.
>>341891646
>"this will be the next gen console!"
>"Hahaha sonyponies have to rebuy their console because the PS4 will become obsolete!"
>"P-P-PC wins again!!1!"
kek
>>341897995
Netflix has been doing it for a couple years.
Its low bit rate shit, but hey meme resolution.
>>341898052
A computer is a computer. Insinuating that a device is a PC isn't an insult.
>>341898046
They'll say anything. They're whores.
>>341896781
>Searching for posts that contain ‘>Kingdom Hearts 2.8 >Nioh >The Last Guardian >God of War >Wild >Persona 5’.
>120 results found.
lel how desperate can one fanbase be to rationalize their choice of console
>>341897895
Sony already shit on their fanbase by pissing off current PS4 owners (no one should have gotten mad at them anyway) and not saying a word about the Neo to clear the air. At least MS has handled this a bit better with Phil Spencer getting out there to explain the product. I don't have a dog in this race but Sony has dropped the ball and likely still will when PSVR and Neo come out.
>>341898250
your the one saying microsoft is shitting on their fans because they release games on pc, which is also their platform
Currently, you can trade in an original PS4 to gamestop for $200. If the Neo costs $400 and Sony can demonstrate real gains visually, I'd be interested in trading up. But I'm doubtful since Uncharted 4 on the original PS4 already looks amazing and I expect further gains to be made while questioning how much extra publishers will really get out of it. Going back to the last generation of games, even late gen games like Tomb Raider and TloU still looked damn good 7 years int othe PS3 era. But it's hard to tell what games will look like 3 years from now. Maybe the neo will have been worth it by then. And maybe upgrading from the neo to PS5 or whatever follows it will be just another $200. It's hard to tell.
>>341891646
>microsoft/sony literally say only graphical fidelity allowed
>retarded journo goes on about ways to make new console and old console owners into different tiers and how gameplay/ai/etc would require basically 2 versions of the same game
>>341892838
There was somebody from Sony talking back in 2013 that there might be a more powerful PS4. I don't remember what site it was but it was behind a paywall.
Just looking at the components Sony used and the way they built the system lends credence to an easily and rapidly upgraded system.
>>341891646
Run the exact same games, except render them at a higher resolution. Hence the GPU upgrade.
>>341898262
Most of their fanbase are cod kids who didn't hear about the neo and if they do i bet they will ask their parents to buy it just like apple fans and their new iphones.
MS failed because of its horrible communication and imo announcing the scorpio and telling that our their games for xbox are also available on PC must have completly confuse their remaining fans.
>>341898203
also the fact that the console market will not tolerate $599USDOLLAS
>>341898476
>your
And no, I'm not saying anything of the sort. I made no such comment in this thread.
>>341898679
MS keeps fucking up. Sony's going to show off the Neo at Tokyo Gameshow and then say it launches in 2 weeks and no one's going to remember Scorpio.
>>341898610
Rumors have been swirling almost since the console was released that an update would be coming to allow for 4K Netflix/video output.
I do have to give them credit for how easy it is to upgrade the 2.5" drive. From what I remember, the X1 is a bitch to replace.
After spending 3k in a gayming pc to play arma 3, and indie shit, I can't wait to buy a ps4 and play proper video games.
>>341898803
>Doesn't know that normalfags already know neo is weaker than scorpio
Normalfags will wait for the stronger console instead of feeling jewed while enthusiasts will build PC's instead. Normalfags know all this shit now and they will go to the console that plays COD better.
>>341898679
>their games for xbox are also available on PC must have completly confuse their remaining fans.
I don't think this is as big a deal as most on /v/ think. They know they're not selling more consoles than PS4. They don't make as much money on consoles as they do on software. The most important part for them is engaging with more customers and retaining them. It's more worthwhile to have a smaller base that keeps buying games in your ecosystem than X consoles sold but they only buy a handful of games for the whole time they own it. Plus with crossplay on PC and Xbox, you don't have people being forced to pick a platform based on where their friends are so people will be less hesitant to purchase and enjoy games. Those modes will mostly be co-op instead of competitive but it's already a huge step in the right direction.
>>341891646
>Literally what is the point of this console existing with such a meagre upgrade?
Nothing. It's an outdated piece of shit at launch like always. The digital foundry dips and comparison to the scorpio will be fun though.
>>341898729
That's pretty important but it's better. Iterative releases makes it easier to get into a generation. Good for gamers and publishers. Honestly, original launch owners will still get enough outta the games through 2019 and will only miss out what they would've missed out as on the PC versions.
>>341891646
> despite its E3 no-show
I'm sorry, but it's too late to introduce it now, they should've introduced it at e3. so believing anything other than that is suicide from a market perspective
>>341898203
>Nintendo didn't do jack.
I'm not sure I buy this 100%. With the contraction taking place in the console market, if Nintendo finds a way to sell ~30-40 million consoles the other two have a problem.
>>341897432
Sony has been shitting on their fanbase for years.
>>341896640
why don't go back to neogaf and wait forever for a new game.
>>341893597
>1 was CD
Yes it used CDs but that wasn't a selling point.
>>341898729
The console market will. Just like they will tolerate a 1k dollar iphone.
Kek Microsoft wins again
I just bought a PS4 recently because it was on sale
Did I fuck up?
Should I have waited for the neo?
>>341899056
Fuck off PCuck
>>341899498
maybe
>>341899253
Most people forget that software is also the biggest revenue gainer. That's why consoles were always sold at loss since the genesis and before PS4/Xbone. Software would make up the losses of the hardware. Selling more software is much more important than hardware. So much that Andrew House even said that PS4 Neo is meant to keep PS4 players from moving to PC to play multiplats because if they don't make money off the multiplats, then their strategy is a loss as their exclusives have been flops so far.
http://www.videogamer.com/news/sony_hopes_playstation_neos_better_graphics_will_stop_ps4_users_jumping_to_pc.html
>>341899459
The key wasn't that it was a CD player but they were CD makers. So them making their console use CD helped them out by selling gaming CD.
>>341899480
they should look into that 1080 sli console sold with 2 year psn contract
>>341899498
Just enjoy your games. You can't have the best hardware alwayslmao the neo has been known for months, why would you do such a thing
>>341899248
The problem comes once Neo has a had a full year and all of Sony's marketing to become the standard, and CoD ends up being only marginally better on Scorpio because the developers are focusing on Neo first.
>>341899498
Probably not.
Neo/Scorpio are Steambox tier memes.
>>341899498
Where the fuck have you been, how are you just now finding out about the Neo?
>>341893347
Maybe Sony never actually started on development of the Neo. They just leaked some details out and let Microsoft blow their load first, only to one-up them later on like they did in 2013.
>>341896923
Seriously do you even enjoy video games?
I honestly can't believe that not even one game in that list wouldn't interest you.
You must be one jaded fucker.
>>341899498
Be honest to yourself.
How important is 4k to you? Do you have a TV that can support 4k? Is it even relevant at all to you?
>>341899704
COD has been running at 60fps for years so I doubt anyone would be able to tell a meaningful difference between console versions.Normalfags don't know that 60fps is why the game feels better than most other console shooters
>>341899356
People who never played videogames going back to not playing videogames is not an actual contraction.
>>341899868
>seriously you like not a single song in the top40? You must not enjoy music
>>341899903
No, no, and no
I'm just concerned that the neo will have exclusive games or improved graphics/framerates
>>341899484
This sonycucks should off themselves to at least keep what honor they had left
>>341896781
Only good ones:
>The Last Guardian
>God of War
>Persona 5
>Yakuza 0
>Days Gone
>Horizon Zero Dawn
Where the fuck is Death Stranding? You know that shit is legit when you got my boy Kogima working on it.
>>341899978
>60fps
>analogs
woah
Will this thing really give better framerate? Or it will just give better visuals for those with a 4K TV?
Tempted to buy a used PS4 for cheap but if the NEO brings better perfomance i can wait
>>341899996
What a terrible analogy.
A few of the games in that list are niche as fuck.
Not to mention that even the Top40 has a wide range of different types of music in it a lot of the time.
Even if you want to say you don't find the typical pop songs on there catchy, there's bound to be at least a few songs that you'd like.
You must REALLY be a jaded fucker if you don't even enjoy music.
>>341900127
>Kogima
You actually made me kek.
>>341899704
>and CoD ends up being only marginally better on Scorpio because the developers are focusing on Neo first.
The current specs will mean a 50% difference in favor of Scorpio. Same as the current 1080P/900P split. 1200P on Neo, 1800P on Scorpio potentially.
If it's Parity then Sony will have paid for it.
>>341900298
It's not a terrible analogy at all. Niche videogames don't exist
>>341900024
We don't know about that stuff so you're concern isn't completely misplaced but try to remember that the PS4K/Neo isn't taking anything away from the PS4. Don't worry too much about it until something painfully stupid gets announced regarding the Neo.
>>341899851
The fastest turn around possible for a semi-custom chip is about 18 months.
The Neo/Scorpio were already in development when the PS4 and Xbone launched.
An AMD rep even told the press that the consoles would only last 4-5 years immediately after they were released.
/v/'s attention span is just terrible, though this is the same board that for years claimed the PS4 wouldn't ever exist either.
>>341894817
>PS4K is supposed to be on par with the Xbone S.
No it's not, stop being retarded.
The Xbone S is just a slight upgrade.
>>341900298
And no, there's not a single song in the top40 I like
>you're just jaded
it's called having taste.
>>341900127
Death Stranding is on PC too, that's why he left it out.
>>341900127
>The Last Guardian
Prepare for some outdated as fuck controls with awful scripting.Won't be worth the weight
>>341900486
>Not having refined tastes such as myself
Ayy okay big guy
>>341900024
Sony won't allow exclusive games, they'll have to hit a basic spec on the original PS4. Same with the Xbox
Improved graphics/framerates is definitely a possibilty
>>341899704
>CoD ends up being only marginally better on Scorpio
why? activision is in bed with sony this time
>>341900605
>I like top40 music
Okay, shiteating child.
It's funny because you think this isn't an objective truth.
Can't wait for the PS4K release.
That means the original PS4's price will drop right?
>>341899990
This generation needs to sell another ~70 million units just to match the 5th generation. Forget what happened in the 7th generation and just look at the massive contraction from the 6th generation.
Like I said, if Nintendo sells around ~30-40 million consoles, that's a problem for the other two. For which one and how big of a problem largely would depend on which market it would happen in.
I'm not saying the other two have constant meetings worrying about Nintendo. I'm just saying I don't think either one of them buys the bullshit about not competing. Until Nintendo says "we're going third party", it's not irrelevant to them.
>>341900753
Here he comes with claims of objectivity!
He's going all out!!
>>341900024
very likely because at minimum they have to be 1080p on neo. devs might find it annoying to optimize the 4k version and the newer apu should have more than enough for 1080p60
>>341900905
It's funny because you think it isn't an objective truth.
>>341901016
He just won't stop!
Someone stop him the absolute madman!
>>341901095
It's funny because you think it isn't an objective truth.
>>341900324
Intentionally going for non-standard resolutions on consoles makes no sense, the only reason One and PS4 sometimes use them is that they can't consistently keep up with 1080p. No TVs using them exist and if you want a better looking image it's easier for a developer to apply normal AA than to downsample everything.
I currently play mostly on my PC with a 970. Considering how I paid 300€ to get cucked the notion of "powerful" console gaming without getting fucked over by the green jews every year is pretty neat. If the PS4k does properly 60fps@1080p I'm considering switching.
>>341893347
>It's too late in production to make better specs and if they scrapped it.
Scorpio will release Holiday 2017, plenty of time. Sony seems to be waiting for Scorpio's price so that they can counter. Also remember APUs are not that hard to design and build they are not even that expensive, Sony can order the same APU similar to the Scorpio and have a lower base CPU clock and have more GCNs to make the batch more affordable like what happen with launch PS4. Also having the better benchmark specs doesn't always win. it has always about the price and games that decide who wins. Sony wants to go with the price battle route rather than have the better specs since they are also up against Nintendo in JP and SEA regions. Sony currently have highest international user count this gen, Devs will always make games and optimize to for the platform highest user count. Neo can play PS4 titles.
>>341901315
The PS4k couldn't even run that game on hyper settings at 10 FPS in its dreams.
>>341901427
>Sony seems to be waiting for Scorpio's price so that they can counter.
This has been their strategy since they first undercut the Saturn.
The rest of the industry should just stop announcing shit first and see what happens.
>>341900816
No one cares what Nintendo does. Nintendo's platforms are not competitors to the PS4 and Xbone. They are targeting totally different demographics.
Stop trying to play at being a market analyst.
>>341901427
>this complex IC with a purpose designed CPU-GPU memory bus isn't hard to design
Tech illiterate retards such as yourself need to stop trying to talk about hardware. As I already pointed out, by AMD's own time table, the fastest time to market for a semi-custom chip is about 18 months. That is design, validation, tape out, and mass production.
The hardware is already designed. Neither company is ever surprised by what the other is doing. Secrets do not exist in manufacturing.
>have to wait even longer now to play bloodborne to see if the neo ends up playing it in 60fps
Just hope the online isnt dead by then.
>>341899851
Alternative theory, AMD don't want to have an entire process just to make the processor for the PS4 (kind of like how Seagate didn't want to make 8gig drives for the Xbox OG) so they said "hey, use this 2.1GHz part and we'll show you how to nerf it in firmware to get PS4 specs." and Sony wondered if giving the extra power to developers was an idea with legs. The fact that the gpu now supported hdmi 2.0 meant they could sell it as a 4K blu ray player too.
>>341901427
Neo releases before financial year March 2017 according to Andrew House who was speaking to the Nikkei during E3 with many leaks pointing to October 2016 before the Holiday period. Now it's far, far too late in the development cycle to make any changes since it will be heading to manufacturing and the components are being assembled now. We know what the SOC already contains due to developer manual leaks.
Anyone thinking they can change it this late in the game is making fan fiction. And even if they try outprice Scorpio. Normalfags will still know the difference since they can look it up online. Just like the PS4 and xbone. If Scorpio plays COD better. That's where the normalfags will go.
>>341901696
>390 does it just fine
>somehow the PS4k can't
What?
STOP CALLING IT THE NEO
>>341902284
>He thinks the PS4k will be on par with a 390
Anon pls.
Also, the 390 has 8 GB of VRAM just to the card itself, while the PS4 has 8 GB for the entire system (CPU and GPU).
Don't be delusional anon, it's gross.
>>341902031
Day one patch bringing 30fps capped frame rates on all titles inbound.
>>341900816
Again, what contraction? As a whole current gen consoles are selling more than 6th or 5th gen consoles year-to-year, without any particular signs of this trend inverting yet. People tend to forget that the fuckhuge 6th gen sales come from PS2's insane longevity, and its ability to still sell millions nearly a decade after release.
>>341902031
I hope we can choose if we wanna go 60 or not. I'd rather stick to a solid 30 than a waving 60.
>>341891646
The PS4 had the equivalent of a 7850 for graphical abilities, a Polaris GPU is a HUGE upgrade
>>341902391
neo
>>341902242
>If Scorpio plays COD better. That's where the normalfags will go.
still can't play used games
>>341902485
Keep telling yourself that. The market is contracting and they are betting on selling a new console more often to what's left. It won't work.
>>341902242
>Neo releases before financial year March 2017
Link
>>341902857NEO
This is all starting to resemble the industry before it crashed. These new consoles don't seem next gen but apparently they're marketed as such, it's all so very confusing and jewy.
>>341902797
New console means new cycle. Normalfags will know it plays used games from the start instead of the confusion on xbone launch.
>>341902893
https://twitter.com/ZhugeEX/status/744186198399279104
>>341901696
"That game" is a retarded example because it's optimized like shit. The leaked PS4k specs should be able to do 1080p60fps at medium or high settings on pretty much everything the devs don't fuck up.
>>341902242
>It is possible that during the 2016/2017 fiscal developments exist on the current PS4
>Possible
>Developer leaks
Link me the article, so far a lot them are speculations and possible releases. The early leaks lied about Neo being on E3
>>341903261
>"That game" is a retarded example because it's optimized like shit.
ME Catalyst?
Uwotm8?
It runs reasonably well.
>>341903320
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2016-sonys-plan-for-playstation-4k-neo-revealed
This has been known since April by the way.
>>341891646
>/v/ being in charge of understanding tech
The polaris is on a higher tier than gtx 1080, its going to do 4k just fine
>>341902943
We 1983 now?
>>341902943
It's the Atari 5200 all over again. The prime difference being BC will be baked in. We'll see if that makes a difference.
>>341902943
>This is all starting to resemble the industry before it crashed.
No, its not. You weren't alive during the crash, you know nothing about it. Stop regurgitating the stupid opinions you read here.
The vidya crash happened because there were a dozen completely different systems from different manufacturers, and they were selling blatant rip offs of each others games. Consumers who were still unsure of where the market was going couldn't pick and choose between platforms, so sales fell through the floor.
There are only three consoles on the market, and only two are competing with each other.
The Neo and Scorpio aren't replacing the PS4 and Xbone. The new systems are halo products. High end niche devices for 4K and running a VR headset.
The Xbone and PS4 are still remaining the mainstream systems for each company.
This is nothing like the crash, for mainstream gamers there are still only two console companies, and the software ecosystem has solidified. When you repeat this nonsense you only make yourself sound like a spectacularly ignorant twat.
If you're going to buy the Scorpio don't even bother unless you own a 4K tv. Seriously unless you're willing to spend $1000+ on a 4K TV there isn't a point in getting it.
But Sony is getting a head start on them, cut into Microsoft's area
>>341903439
I went a bit overboard, I was mainly referring to moments like the one >>341901315 screencapped. The point is that the leaked PS4k specs shouldn't have any trouble handling it or any other modern title unless there's something wrong with optimization. Certainly not maxed out, but far better than the current PS4 and about on par with current mid and mid-to-high end PCs.
>>341903178
>Twitter rumor
>Sony hinting that Neo would release in march
>Hinting
You linked THE GUY Who LIED ABOUT THE NEW DMC and Last of Us 2 being on E3, Bravo you just throw out all of your credibility out of the window citing that guy. THAT lying cunt can't even checks AMD's Roadmap and has to be corrected by his followers!
>>341902431
>while the PS4 has 8 GB for the entire system (CPU and GPU).
Wait is the neo still using 8gb shared ram across the whole system?
>>341903828
Should i not bother with the neo if i dont care about vr or 4k?
>>341903710
>Halo products
>High end
>Game consoles
Top kek. Thanks for checking in Sony marketing.
>>341904113
Yes.
>>341891646
Let's hope it doesn't turn out to be aNeo-gaffe
>>341904113
For now it seems like it
>>341904127
We don't know and won't know until it's officially revealed. Going off the specs it most likely won't be as focused on 4k.
>>341896020
It's still weaker than my current PC.
>>341901315
Why didn't you just not listen to memes retard?
>>341902943
>This is all starting to resemble the industry before it crashed.
"no"
>These new consoles don't seem next gen but apparently they're marketed as such
Maybe to idiots like you. They'll play the same games.
>>341902881
Show me actual data. Until then, sales prove me right, the only market that actually shrunk is Japan.
>>341904218
Not "For now". Those specs were locked ages ago. It's going to retain the shared RAM pool the PS4 uses
>>341904107
>You linked THE GUY Who LIED ABOUT THE NEW DMC and Last of Us 2 being on E3, Bravo you just throw out all of your credibility out of the window citing that guy. THAT lying cunt can't even checks AMD's Roadmap and has to be corrected by his followers!
[Citation needed]
>>341902943
>crashfags having no idea what they're talking about
No, it's not.
Developers only learned the thing exists when the leaks happened like a month ago
>>341904107
I'm fairly sure you're thinking about someone else.
>>341904218
>trusting anything from a source that can't even get CPU clockspeed right
>trusting anything from a source that can't differentiate between GPU arch
Just like with Beema, the PS4 and Xbone APUs will clock as TDP allows, and they have the same fmax. Their nominal clockspeed is about 2ghz.
They're all Sea Islands gen, and all have the same implementation of PowerTune.
>>341904650
>Developers only learned the thing exists when the leaks happened like a month ago
Devs knew it since early this year. The leaks came from a development manual.
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2016-sonys-plan-for-playstation-4k-neo-revealed
>>341902242
>March release and not the sensible holiday 2017 release
>Linking ZhugeEX's twitter as source which is again a rumor
My Cat has more accurate prediction than ZhugeEX's prediction
>>341904984
Anon, it's too late to change Sony's plans which are for an October 2016 release anyway. You can rage if it makes you feel better but it's all set in stone including the specs, now.
>>341896271
Most people didn't have Plasma flatscreens when the 360 launched.
4K is going to be the new standard, especially since you can get a 40inch Samsung 4K for $499 now.
May as well put it out now so it can be utilized later.
The only thing I was hoping for was 4K for Netflix and Ultra HD Bluray movies because I don't fucking care for the 4K meme.
>>341897665
Considering it does have 6 TFLOPS, it probably can. At 30 fps that is. Not 60.
>>341904969
that giant bomb leak is literally exactly 2 months aka like a month ago
I don't understand the point of the Neo, why not just wait a couple of years and release a next gen system instead of this half assed jump. Scorpio at least seems to be a significant leap ahead of the Xbone. PS4 already has sold 40+ million just keep the momentum going
>>341905748
>I don't understand the point of the Neo, why not just wait a couple of years and release a next gen system instead of this half assed jump.
http://www.videogamer.com/news/sony_hopes_playstation_neos_better_graphics_will_stop_ps4_users_jumping_to_pc.html
>>341905748
Somy's TV division is down the shitter and they need more reasons to have people buy into some new meme
Remember when they made a big deal out of Killzone being 3D?
This is exactly the same
>>341905748
Because PS4 launched too weak a in "a couple of years" it will be killing itself trying to run games. Devs were still squeezing performance out of 360 and PS3 4-5 years into the gen, One and PS4 are maxed out not even three years in.
>>341905748
>why not just wait a couple of years and release a next gen system instead of this half assed jump
There won't be any more "generations." It'll be small increments like this when they feel the market is ready. At best you'll start dropping requirements to run on the oldest PS4s in 5-8 years or so.
4k is only for video.
It will have HDMI 2.0. That's the 4k.
>>341905748
The PS4 with all its upscaling shenanigans is barely passable for the PSVR headset.
The Neo exists as a higher end system to deliver a better VR experience while keeping gamers on a Sony platform.
They want to corner the VR market by having the most approachable and reasonably price system for it, and put the most support behind it on the software side.
Its pretty straight forward.
>>341891646
Is anyone else happy as fuck about this?
>that feel when I waited to buy a PS4 and now get to buy a better PS4 for KH 2.8, NIER2, Bloodborne, Spiderman, and Persona 5.
Fuck yes.
I hope it isn't too much. 400$ would be a nice price. Although that might be too cheap for them.
>>341905849
Sony's being retarded. Consoles will never be able to best high end PC's. They had their own appeal in simplicity and ease of use, and it seems like both Sony and Microsoft are throwing that away to try to attain a goal they can never reach.
>>341895737
$400 is also the cheapest I could find a dedicated UHD blu-ray player for. Get the lower capacity XB1 S and it's the cheapest UHD player on the market.
>>341905748
They don't want to have to sell you a new console solely on its merits anymore. They want to get your entire library over to digital and then lock you into the ecosystem where your paid-for content is held hostage and the upgrade becomes forced [like Apple] at some point.
They'll say it's to reduce cost overheads on ground-up systems when a new generation starts, but migrating to x86 in general already solves that problem [which is disingenuous anyway considering both Sony and Microsoft investigated ARM cores for their consoles] without accelerating the hardware cycle in the console space.
>come out with a slim model that's full priced still with minor hardware upgrades while still being cheaper to produce
>keep old systems on the market for a slightly discounted price
holy shit sony and microsoft are geniuses
>>341906464
The point is not to best PCs, nobody's expecting a console to do that, the point is to have consoles not become so shitty everyone jumps ship. Which is something they're worried about this time around because consoles are weaker than ever and PC is more popular than ever.
>>341905987
>Sorny's TV
>>341906007
>There won't be any more "generations." It'll be small increments like this when they feel the market is ready
What makes you say this?
>>341901771
That definitely wasn't their strategy with the PS3. Not that it did them any good back then.
>>341906839
Most people playing on PC probably aren't playing on machines that are light years beyond consoles. I'd bet most of the switch is coming from people who don't want to pay $60 for games and don't want to pay for online.
>>341904564
https://twitter.com/ZhugeEX/status/729924120083894272
He was hinting this pre E3 he used this twitter below
https://twitter.com/KENT6onri/status/732389118433366016
Then he translated and keep saying that it's a new DMC then he delete his post when Sony's E3 Ended. The only thing he probably got right it was RDR 2 which was not shown due to Orlando incident.
>>341907201
4 of my friends who are average run of the mill consumers switched because they were fed up of console games with horrendous performance issues, and they saw how much better my PC looked.
>>341906464
Well the point of a pc is the openess of it. No online paywalls, running anything you want, tweak settings, mods, emulate, do questionable shit and multitask. The better graphics/fps is another plus but it's not like the neo is using high end parts either.
So far I'm seeing a gimped 480 (which is the latest new budget card ala the 750 ti) , the same old shitty jaguar and 8gb shared ram when most cards like the budget 480 will have a 8gb option alone + the regular system ram is not enthusiast level at all.
I'm wondering how many games that cpu is gonna be gimped in though. Beth games are on the top of the list as they need a good cpu as well as other open world games. Hitting a stable 60 will not be possible in those types. Linear games have a decent shot.
I think the biggest mistake sony did was use pc tech/architecture. When they did their own custom shit, they could come near mid range tech. Now they have to dance around pc tech and it shows.
>>341904969
>Developer manual leaks
>Linking Eurogamers speculations
it's a revision, it doesn't need a new dev kit since it's already given that NEO will play PS4 games.
>>341907596
The CPU is shit because they targeted power efficiency.
Wouldn't surprise me if the next gen consoles feature a rebranded i5 or something.
>all these retards thinking sony can go back to the drawing board and make the ps4k more powerful
No. Just no.
These things have to be finalised like a year in advance at the least. The amount of things that go into the production of a console is huge. Look at Microsoft and the xbox one, the best they could do was a miniscule 6% overclock to the cpu because it would take another 2 years for them to redesign the console with a better gpu. I bet the ps4k was finalised last December or this January. Production is probably already underway for components and the assembly will take place 8 or so months before release. You seem to forget that these consoles are made in the hundreds of millions of units. They need over half a year of production to get that many ready for stores.
>>341897706
PSOne and PS2 slim were just smaller, cheaper consoles with very little difference in practice. There weren't any PS2Slim exclusives. That's not comparable at all.
I wonder if developers will start having to make more exclusives for scorpio since it will be so much more powerful than neo.
Or they may just make games for PS4/neo and leave scorpio out entirely.
>>341907565
Right, but even then, did they go right out and buy $700 cards? Maybe they did, I don't know. I don't want to act like that doesn't happen.
I'm just saying, most people making the switch are probably playing around on midrange stuff. I know the numbers get skewed by people playing old games on toasters, but the really high end GPU market isn't that big.
PC has advantages beyond just performance.
>>341907762
In another 3 years? The smart thing to do was wait a year and shove in a zen. It's not like people are going anywhere in a year. Maybe if they dragged the gen on by 3 years yes. That's all it took to ensure 1080p and solid 50-60 in everything.
>>341906886
That's literally the business model that Spencer has discussed and it's not hard to extrapolate that Sony is going to do the same.
>>341891646
>Literally what is the point of this console existing with such a meagre upgrade?
drones
>>341908163
Link to discussion?
Why are they pushing 4k when barely anyone has a 4k screen and barely any game that can run 1080 60fps
>>341908109
3 got 770's. One got a 780. They might be outperformed by Scorpio and possible Neo, but so far their PC's are giving them a better experience than XB1/PS4.
>>341904225
So what's the point then? So they can consistently hit 1080p 60fps and have a CT gimmick?
>>341908163
That probably makes sense honestly. There are no low hanging fruits left, no big revolution in graphics as far as I can tell.
Up until 6th gen the gap between generations was pretty huge and extremely noticeable. These days we've hit the land of diminishing returns.
>>341902242
>Sony ranks games as #3 whereas the others are 4 and 5
There are a lot of conclusions that could be made from that image. Xbots caring more about gimmicks than nintenyearolds for one.
>>341908498
It's the new 3D TV.
I really don't think the average consumer is willing to go out and buy a 4K resolution TV untill it's really, affordable.
>>341908498
Because 4K TV's are dropping sharply in price and are now affordable.
scorpio is going to destroy the neo isn't it?
>>341909356
>>341908498
I wonder how it feels to own a 3d tv nowadays.
>>341908557
Yea the 770s came out in may 2013. If they wish they can easily buy a 480 and outdo the neo for 200 bucks with a good overclock since it sits at 5.5 tflops and they likely have an i5. Or wait for the 490 at 300 bucks and stomp it.
The ps4 released November 2013 and now there's rumors of it releasing this year. So that would be an upgrade within a little less than 3 years of it's release for less power overall since it's a 4 tflop 480 with a weak cpu and 8gb shared ram. Only reason to get one is for games you must have and can't live without which is understandable.
If I had to bet I'd say sony releases the neo this year a little beyond november 13 so they can say the ps4 was out 3 years. It would be odd if the neo launches less than 3 years of it being released.
>>341894558
Its not for you anon.
Xbox is essentially just dumbing down PC gaming so it's easy enough for console kids to swallow. If you already have a proper gaming PC, they are totally fine with you just updating to W10 and using a PS4 for your console.
>>341907879
>He still thinks cheap APUs are hard to revise, design and produce.
>He thinks that platform that has highest benchmark specs always win.
Hmm who should you listen too, rumors from journalists who has no credibility or AMD's Roadmap and Global foundries factory turnaround dates.
AMD is so busy with Zen and Polaris that the Scorpio has Holiday 2017 release date and that date is not even finalized yet which is much longer than the SNAKE OIL JOURNALIST speculated dates!
>>341909498
No for two reasons.
1. Neo is coming out a year earlier.
2. People still resent Microsoft.
>>341908498
Because 4K is now affordable as fuck, and needs to be kept in mind
Nobody had an HDTV when the 360 launched.
>>341891646
I DON'T CARE ABOUT YOUR SHITPOSTING
IS THIS SHIT GOING TO DO ANYTHING ELSE BESIDES 4K BECAUSE I DON'T GIVE A SHIT ABOUT 4K
>>341909595
Depends on what MS does.
If MS extends the scorpio functionality to use word processing and other productive apps/productive shit, I can see it being in demand as a machine to game on and do work. Especially if they give it other windows features.
>>341909628
Who the fuck resents M$?
Phil Spencer is based and totally treats pcgamefs as first class citizens.
>>341909628
>resenting a corporation
>buying a neo when most people already have a ps4
>scorpio specs crush neo by the same or bigger margin ps4 did the xbone
>>341909625
>tech illiterate retard still talking out of his ass
An APU is not a simple IC. It is more complex than a discrete CPU or GPU is.
You cannot just make changes to any IC no matter what it is regardless. Any single change requires a whole new set of lith masks, and they cost hundreds of thousands to a couple million dollars.
Every single change requires a risk run, ES binnings, validation. It is not simple. Nothing about it is simple.
Stop parroting your fanfiction bullshit about Sony and Microsoft making last minute hardware revisions.
>>341908498
Sony wants people to buy their shitty TVs instead of Samsung's and the 4k is for blu rays and Netflix, not for video games
Your video games will be upresed and maybe get some HDR, they won't actually run in 4k
>>341909961
I've seen normies who heard all the bad things from the initial Xbox Launch about not being able to trade in games or play the console offline, as far as they know it's still true.
I know many "normies" who bought PS4's instead because of this.
Will ps4. 5 play all the games at 60fps?that's enough for me to get it
>only 4.14TF
Sony BTFO by Microsoft.
VR is the new kinect.
>>341910149
...are you a mind reader?
>>341891646
>Several sources have indicated to me
this just mean "my twitter friends just pranked me, and Rogers has tits so she's always right"
>>341910285
lol no
>>341910285
Sony have mandated that Neo games have to run at 1080p. As for framerate, they only require it run at "the same or higher than PS4".
>>341893347
>>341892838
Isn't this fine? Sony has a year to be ahead of the Xbox One and the NX. Neo will have a GPU twice as good as it does now, the problem will be no games will use it because all developers are saying they are making games for the PS4 and Xbox One.
Fucking Tabata didn't even hear about the Scorpio till Microsoft's conference
>>341891646
>rumors show Scorpio being more powerful
>Sony launches a year ahead and BTFOs them anyway
This would be so funny, hope it really happens.
>>341910285
>all the games at 60fps?
No.
Some yes.
You also have to consider that both ms and sony will likely start to go to 30 fps to pump up the graphics even more.
>>341910254
Ah.
I forgot about that.
>>341909960
That's horrible. Nobody wants to word provess at their tv. Im just saying that the bulk of the console market does it because they don't know better, not because there are a couple exclusives they need consoles for. For that market a gaming PC in disguise is brilliant. Consoles never took off for any none gaming reason other thsn cheap DVD/bluray soon uhd player.
>>341910608
Are sonyggers actually this brain damaged? Kek
>>341908371
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sf-waCLegOo#t=59m27s
Interview with Phil starts here. They talk about VR, PC stuff, and X1 S (mainly not to get one unless you have a 4K TV) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sf-waCLegOo#t=23m
>sony failed for the vr bubble
>ms thinks the mass market cares about 4k
i really hope the nx isnt a fucking wii u 2 with dual screen pad
>>341910695
It's not easy from going to LOL XBONE 900P to being shit on by 6 tflops for the next few years...
>>341910695
Better get your Windows 10® Powered Gaming PC ready Xbot, because Xbox is over buddy.
>>341901315
>not even anywhere near 60fps
fucking kek.
you guys shit on consoles for barely doing 30fps and you guys cant even do 60fps at 1080p either.
>>341910254
>I've seen normies who heard all the bad things from the initial Xbox Launch about not being able to trade in games or play the console offline, as far as they know it's still true.
Anyone I knew who thought of that (which a lot did since Mattrick shat the bed) has completely forgotten about that. I don't think it's as big a problem as it initially was until about midway through 2015.
>>341910783
>ms things the mass market cares about 4k
Just like the mass market didn't care about FHD or HD or SD.
>>341897706
PS2 slim was a thing of beauty. That much fun packed into such a tiny and thin device.
>>341910783
The NX is an Android tablet and or a compute stick.
Its powered by an Nvidia Tegra SoC.
The NX platform uses Android as an OS
Nintendo stated the NX wouldn't replace the WiiU
Their project expanding into mobile (smartphone and tablet) games is aimed at the NX
>>341910867
>Xbox should leave the race because they're in 2nd place
Both companies are turning a profit. By your logic Sony should have just thrown in the towel last gen after they spent most of it "losing".
>>341909960
>If MS extends the scorpio functionality to use word processing and other productive apps/productive shit
>mfwWindows Office for Xbox
honestly not that bad of an idea considering most people need to use that occasionally, whether it be for Word or Excel. Tablets and phones are terrible for that. Not ideal but it keeps people in the Windows ecosystem.
>>341900558
>Death Stranding is on PC too,
Where was this announced?
>All MS games going to PC
Why bother getting a Xbox?
>>341908896
I honestly see it the other way around. If PS4/xbone stayed around as is for as long as last gen. I honestly believe nvidea would have Android devices theat beat them. Especially with 4k and the PC gaming Renaissance they need to upgrade every couple years or fall behind.
Also a more likely reason is simply x86 and low level apis let them do this.
You can't just upgrade a cell processor. But you can a x86 system. The DX12 api (and im sure sonys too) also gives you a very close to the metal level, so that the huge advantage of optimizing for a single system variation is no longer huge, and you have nothing to fear fracturing yourself on two different APUs
>>341911321
because people who buy consoles dont give a shit about pc gaming in the first place
>>341891646
No shit its launching this year. The entire purpose is to make a better experience for VR. Which sony will release in october. Any rational person would assume neo will release along side of VR in *gasp* October! As for your question of "whats the point?", the point is VR and 4k you fucking retard mongoloid.
>>341911301
http://www.gamespot.com/articles/kojimas-ps4-console-exclusive-will-come-to-pc/1100-6433155/
>>341891646
>Developers say that the PS4's biggest bottleneck was the CPU
>Don't upgrade the CPU
Sony fucked up if this is true
>>341911557
They overclocked it. I guess they couldn't source new ones.
>>341891646
>Literally what is the point of this console existing with such a meagre upgrade?
Is this the death of the console? At least as we know it?
I mean, the main draw of a console was it relative low cost and longevity.
>>341907270
>RDR 2 which was not shown due to Orlando incident
what?
what do cowboys have to do with homos apart from ymca?
>>341911418
But PC is just a platform, a means to an end to play games. Why would you "care" any more about an Xbox than a PC?
>>341911418
>because people who buy consoles dont give a shit about pc gaming in the first place
Not true. How else do people become PC gamers? People convert.
I was once a console gamer, so were many others.
My friend made a PC instead of buying a PS4 last year.
>>341911321
Well i wad never gonna now i am gonna probably get 2. It's the cheapest UHD system on the market, AND i get all my Microsoft published future pcgame purchases on it. Really a no brainer.
Also i want to get my dad one for uhd blu ray as well. Anyone know if i add my account he can still play all my games even if i have my xbone at home on different network?
Also for normies
>>341911418
Applies. As i said earlier in this post. PCgamers buying consoles for exclusives is only like 5% of the market at best, and M$ is okay with that since they win either way with W10
>>341902170
This is literally what happened according to insiders and people who know their chipsets.
>>341911821
Allegedly the RD3 trailer featured an outlaw shooting up a village.
>>341911747
You know, I understand that they wanted to release it this year so Zen is out of the question but couldn't they use some more recent cpus than the Jaguar ones?
Can they even increase the frequency that much on that type of cpus?
>>341911872
>your friemd used an M$ gaming platform instead of a sony one
OH NO M$ IS FINISHED!
Sounds like you subconsciously admitted it makes sense. Anyway sure. But not everyone converts. Now M$ doesn't need to compete with themselves.
Do we know if existing games will run smoother on PS4 Neo when running 1080p?
Like, no framerate drop, etc.
Or is 4k capability literally the only advantage?
>>341911796
No. This doesnt decrease the longevity of the PS4 at all. Neo is exclusively for VR and those who want 4k video. Other than that, base PS4 will still be perfectly viable until PS5.
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2016-how-playstation-4k-neo-and-the-original-ps4-will-co-exist
Seriously how do you retards not know about this yet? I must be replying to bait but the way your post is constructed makes me think its sincere.
>>341912005
gonna have to tell /r9k/ to do mass shootings only after video game conferences from now on I guess
>>341910872
Those are hyper settings. A step up from ultra and it requires 8gb vram dedicated to graphics minimum so it doesn't tank frames.
>That's not to say that the console versions aren't worth consideration though. PS4 hands-in a fairly respectable 900p image
>On PC, hitting 1080p using the ultra preset is easily be achieved with Nvidia's GTX 970 and AMD's R9 390, handing in frame-rates between 60-90fps.
>Higher resolution textures and normal maps add more clarity to clothing and surface details across character and the environment, draw distances are increased, streaming is less aggressive, and shadow quality is considerably better too, with fewer saw tooth artefacts on show.
>>341911321
The thing Sony and Microsoft makes most money on is the video games and not the box, so it's much better if someone buys the games on PC instead of not at all
And the consumers are different, normans want some box under their living room TV so they can watch blu rays, play Madden/Fifa & Cawadooty and use Netflix while gaming PCs are for people that are very invested and have a hige interest in video games
Especially if Microsoft is planning on not making too much monies on the Scorpio to make it cheaper/more powerful this shit makes s lot of sense
>>341908498
This is like Nintendo saying, what is the point of pushing 720p for HD tvs when barely anyone owns a HD TV and bare any games can run at 720p 60 fps.
>>341911747
overclocking is the same CPU with a bit more power. The PS4 clearly needs more branching proccessing and is lack of them due to CPU.
>>341908498
This.
The Wii made a smart move notcing nobody owned am hd tv and sticking to 480p! Get rekt sony and M$
>>341912260
That depends entirely on the developers.
>>341905296
Most people still didn't get plasma.
Why would you say plasma
>>341896020
specs don't matter. How many gigaflops something has makes no difference. The PS4k will run ps4 games at higher resolution for people's 4k TV's and that's all people care about.
>>341912154
Not everyone converts, but many do. And it doesn't really go the other way around.
People don't go from PC gaming to consoles for the most part, going from consoles to PC is a lot more common.
Steam and PC gaming is more popular than ever before.
>>341910184
We can all google too and spout terminologies and be a pretentious nerd but still AMD announce a new APU every year and release a new one with several versions every year. it's just a revision and not a complete new architecture and APUs are cheap!
>>341912437
>>341912652
that wii sure sold like shit huh
>>341910285
Framerate is always up to the developer, in a closed system a developer will always try to go for 30 fps in the efforts of improving graphics.
>>341913000
>tech illiterate retard pulling even more out of his ass
Every APU they release on the market is a new architecture, and they're designed a few years before they're ever released.
Llano, Trinity, Kaveri, and Carrizo all have entirely different CPU and GPU IP.
>>341912984
How do people convert where there is no advertising or marketing for pc especially in retail?
It should have died a long time ago. Just WHO is converting?
>>341913096
Developers are lazy fucks and console hardware sucks shit, console games don't runt at a stable frame rate
>>341912260
If i had to guess. Some major, mostly first party tittles will get patched for this. But i doubt most of the games will.
>>341913007
Because of the wagglemote anon, also lost to sony lategame and didn't make much money shipping software after a couple years at most. PS2 almost outlived the fucker.
Anyway you do realize it would have failed day 1 if there was no wagglemote, particularly because of its inability to do HD. Look how many miles ahead of it Dolphin is.
>>341912260
I think only future releases will benefit. Which is all that really matters.
>>341913243
YouTube, Minecraft and Twitch are responsible at a guess.
>>341913245
You got that bacwards. Consoles run at a very stable 30fps. High end gaming PCs run at an unstable 60fps with dips to 40fps or lower depending on whats on the screen. If you disagree you are flat out wrong.
>>341913524
>at a very stable 30 fps
pfffffffffffahahahhahahahaha
>>341907270
He got it right. The 2m title was Dead Rising 4 which was announced
>>341912984
Yeah.. That's too my point though anon. Nobody on PC was gonna buy an xbone anyway, a very small market anyway. Not like forza horizon 3 is gonna run on a console plebs shitty laptop anyway. uwp has horrible optimization.
So they are not hurting xbox.
>>341913243
If you are interested in something you tend to discover the best way to do it. Gaming is no different. People who are serious about it will discover the power of PCs.
I personally built my first computer for WoW then discovered how much better it was than my console and never went back. (i mean i still have just about evey console, but for exclusives)
>>341913243
Gaming forums, 4chan, video sites, promises of mods. Etc.
Honestly, I'd say Minecraft is what got the ball rolling for many people.
>>341912123
No idea, from a guess it looks like Microsoft couldn't get new ones either, since they released no new info about the Scorpio CPU. They wouldn't give any details aside from "8-Core". Which we know the XB1 already has.
>>341912005
prove it without linking to a youtube e-celebrity talking out of his ass
>>341910809
Lol
are consolefags going to be talking about flops while they get 30 fps for the next decade?
>>341914010
Zen
probably not though. Most likely they're doing the same thing as playstation.
>>341907908
neither for neo John Titor
>>341913007
The Wii's value dropped quickly when people started adopting HD tvs and realised that the games didn't look so good on the big screen and the fact that it was a marginally inferior experience for alternative stuff people use Wiis for like netflix.
>>341891646
4K blu ray
Don't know about you niggers but I like to watch Kinography
>>341914006
>Gaming forums, 4chan, video sites, promises of mods. Etc.
This doesn't do shit.
4chan shit on the ps4 for years and it still sold.
Meanwhile the wii u was being shilled and no one got it.
Normies don't visit forums
>>341913524
>High end gaming PCs
>unstable 60fps with dips to 40fps
What a fool you are
>>341910783
>ms thinks the mass market cares about 4k
4K is gaining steam. 4K is in a lot more homes now than 1080p or even 720p was back when 360 came out.
>>341914282
The Wii's value dropped once everyone and their mother already had one and didn't have any games except wii sports to play on it worth playing.
>>341912265
What about the rumours that they're planning next-gen consoles with much shorter lifespans?
>>341914357
Why do sony fanboys always say this?
90% of the threads i see, are sony fanboys lashing out any other platform that exists, and then complaining that the reverde happens.
>HAHA PC HAS MO EXCLUSIVES HAHA THIS GAME ISNT COMING TO PC
>HAHA XBOX GAMES ARE ON WINDOES NOW
>HAHA 900P
>HAHA NINTENDO HAS ONLY ONE GAME AT E3
and then
>WHY IS IT OKAY WHEN NINTENDO DOES IT?
>WHY DO YOU ALL HATE SONY
>EVERYONE HERE IS A SHILL FOR EVERY OTHER PLATFORM
Meanwhile i never actually notice anyone shill anything else. Even last gen nobody cared about wii and everyone shitposted 360 was for dudebros or w.e.
Im not accusing you im just saying.
This is literally insecure sonyfanboys the board.
So why would Sony choose to have the stronger consoles at first, but the weaker console after mid gen upgrade?
>>341915187
Because it releases first and be cheaper.
>>341915187
Do you really think Sony k ow what the fuck they're doing?
>eye
>cell
>unified memory
>move
>vr
They only won by luck with the ps4 because don mattrick is a fucking idiot. Now that he got shitcanned, microsoft is coming for that sony ass and will be king again.
>>341895023
My cousin feels the same way. He has no intentions of upgrading to PS4K for years to come. He just bought a PS4 last year.
>>341900127
>Death Stranding
You actually have faith in that kino shit?
>>341915395
>eye
>kinect
>unified memory
Scorpio will most likely be the same
>move
Actually works pretty well with VR
>vr
>will also be on xbone
@341915568
This doesnt even warrant a proper response. Fucking sonyggers
>>341915118
Are you sure it's Sony fan boys when it's just shitposters who have been the backbone of /v/ for years shitposting and getting angry and attacking every single mistake and flaw a company makes and never letting them live it down?
>>341914357
even normies didn't buy Wii u
>@341915850
If you say so
>>341911065
>Nintendo stated the NX wouldn't replace the WiiU
That PR speak so that the Wii U doesn't completely fall flat before the NX is out. The Wii U is pretty much dead now, but they wouldn't admit that.
>>341903710
You're right, they're both "third pillars" for the companies.
>>341914537
> not turning off aa and all settings to low
>>341902943
I don't think we'll even get the dignity of a crash. I think we're doomed to suffer this shit for eternity.
>>341915187
Because PS4 is at the age where they want to make the components smaller and reduce the cost of manufacturing. Ie: Xbox Slim. Sony told AMD to shrink down the APU for the PS4 but AMD gave them an offer to just use their latest generation APUs instead. So rather than spending hundreds of millions on AMD developing a smaller version of the current PS4's chipset, they can just use the chipset that is already smaller and exists at a lower price. However this comes with an issue where the newer model is more powerful than the older model and it wouldn't make sense to downclock the specs until it hits PS4 levels. So they chose to let it be the premium model instead.
>>341915406
>for years
console generations are usually 5 years were on year 3
>>341914537
My i7 6700k and 980ti with 16 gb ram and pure SSD storage are undeniable evidence that yes, PC framerates are unstable. If you dont believe me, play the highest end game you own on max settings 1080p and keep an fps monitor running. I guarantee you, it doesnt stay pegged at 60fps.
>>341913187
WOW you just proven my point that APUs are not hard or costly to make and you just mentioned several version of them!
Stop thinking that APUs are some sort of expensive and inflexible commodity. AMD probably has several version of NEO's APU and Sony can easily just pick and choose. Barely requires long months of testing.
>>341913691
Compared to PC, PS4 framerates are much more stable in every game. Its a mathematical fact. Lower framerate yes, but provably more stable.
>>341915885
I mean it all happens, i use 4chan, i don't mind shitposting here and there, im just saying sony ponys are the most prevalent and won't shut up. then they whine we are out to get them and act all innocent
>>341894225
Best post ITT
>>341916251
Many years. I'm talking 5 or 6 more.
>>341916689
that's literally bot true at all
>>341916685
>shit eating retard still grasping at straws
They are designed years before they're released on the market, you moron. An APU is more complex than a separate CPU or GPU because of the interconnect fabric that exists between them.
Tech illiterate retards like you need to stop pretending to be hardware experts.
>>341916689
Are you stupid?
If i ran at 1080p on my 980 at high settings. I could put vsync on at 30fps and never drop a fram in anything. Except maybe unmatched watchdogs. 100% stable framerate
>>341917042
*not :)
>>341917071
>@ 30 fps
What the fuck is the point of capping a PC at 30 fps? Im talking maxed out, both systems.
>>341913276
Wii's attach rate was pretty good for most of the generation. And unless PS3 can inch past Wii "lategame" it's stuck in second place forever.
Games can finally run 1080P 30FPS instead of 900P sub 30 FPS
>AYYMD GPU
NOT EVEN ONCE
>playing weeb games or cinematic movie games
Xbox is the best choice for idiots who can't into pc
Xbox Scorpio is the best choice for rich idiots who can't into pc
PC is the best choice overall because you can play games at their best and also emulate a shit load of games/consoles, including wii-u, 3ds, and even ps3 pretty soon. Just look at John GodGames youtube channel. Shit's nearly working now. PC is gonna be able to play the new zelda game when it comes out without a doubt.
>>341917069
Every cpu on the market, save and except the fx line from 2012, intels xtreme edition parts $400+ who need the physical space the gpu takes, and are going to be paired with discrete gpus anyway, and server parts is technically an APU anon. Every celeron, i3, i5, i7 non X from at least 5 generations has had intergrated. AMD has run it as well.
>>341917361
Well your point was PC had "unstable" fps. That's stuoid. If you run framerate unlocked ultra you get unstable fps in a lot of cases, ps4 would have this as well if it allowed you to do this. maxed out pc is not the same as "maxed out" ps4 whatever that means. And vsync off isn't necessarily "maxing out" commenting on the stability of pc framerate is stupid it can be as stable or unstabke as you want. I use vsync on a lot of games cause i hate tearing
>>341915024
>rumours
Nice source.
>>341917767
>PC is gonna be able to play the new zelda game when it comes out without a doubt.
Nah. It'll take till 2018 to get it running decently. That game releases in 2017
>>341917870
No shit. Read the post chain. The arguement was never PC at 30 fps. There is no point in being mustard race if you arent maxing out your monitor aswell as graphics settings. The original arguement was consoles at 30 fps are more stable than just about any gaming rig at 60 fps. Its a fact. You will only make a fool of yourself if you continue to argue against this.
>>341917069
Sony pick and choose what's available from AMD, it's all AMD designs, the initial APUs R&D happened long before the PS4 was even conceived. Sony don't require long testing since they just buy stuff from other manufacturers and they won't be choose something that's overly new for Neo since that would cause third party development troubles, this just a cheap revision and not new console.
>>341893797
They actually did the right thing. Have Microsoft announce something and then have the opportunity to surpass it.
>>341897432
Like exclusives actually matter.
>>341917870
Not a single thing you typed up there was relevant.
>>341918294
I know exactly how AMD's semi-custom business model works, Sherlock.
The Neo's APU is not a "revision" to anything. A new die is a new die, and there is nothing simple about that process.
As I said, tech illiterate retards need to stop pretending to be hardware experts.
>>341918627
>then have the opportunity to surpass it.
How? The specs have been finalized earlier in the year and it's released in only a few months. There is literally no revisions or going back for them at this point unless they want to scrap billions of dollars worth of R&D and piss off their vendor.
At this point, all the normalfags know that Scorpio is more powerful than Neo and plays used games. How can Sony surpass it?
>>341893797
Microsoft actually got scouted, it's a good thing that they didn't release a price since they might get countered with a lower price by their competitors.
>>341919002
>As I said, tech illiterate retards need to stop pretending to be hardware experts.
They won't stop. Expect the fanfiction to ramp up till Sony announces it's coming out and has the specs that leaked months ago.
If it doesn't have at least PS3 backwards compatibility i'm not interested.
I'm not buying a console for Bloodborne alone.
With PS3 and PS4 exclusives i might be swayed.
In a perfect world PS2 would be in there as well.
>>341919224
>The specs have been finalized earlier in the year and it's released in only a few months
Citation needed. also Sony don't "finalized" stuff since they are not who's doing all the engineering on the chip, they only pick and choose on what's available from AMD. If the APU that's in Scorpio is available then AMD can show different versions of it to Sony like what happen previously with Jaguar placeholder APUs.
>>341920394
>In a perfect world PS2 would be in there as well.
How would that even work. Even PS3 compatibility basically requires having another console inside of it. And the backwards compatible PS3's also needed another console inside of them to begin with.
At best, they'll have ROMs you can download that have been made to run on the PS4, which I think Sony is doing anyway? I recall something like that.
>>341918294
No it wasn't you moved the goalpoast. Also i can run most things stable 60fps to if i want. Depending on settings maxed out just 1080p can get it on most pc games.
>>341919002
APU is not more complex you massive retard. That was my point, why do you thi k every single cpu has an intergrated gpu these days? Because its super hard to make expensive? Every AMD apu is not "a new architecute" they do refreshes and do the odd tock after their ticks like intel.
That being said yes, the other guy is wrong too. Polaris IS a process shrink (cpu won't be) and that has been in the works for quite sometime. But that has nothing to do with integrating it with a CPU.
>>341920642
Oh shit meant not a new process, new architecute obviously, but that's a faster turn around and it's not like they aren't doing it with or without psneo
>>341920556
I'd be ok with an emulated version, but PS Now rental is bullshit. You don't even own a digital copy, you literally stream the game.
>>341920402
AMD does not use any existing design as a base for semi-custom chip. They have modular IP available to customers. The Jaguar CUs used in the PS4 and Xbone have nothing to do with any of AMD's Kabini designs.
AMD cannot reveal a product made for a client. Microsoft's APU design belongs to Microsoft. AMD cannot show Sony what Microsoft's design includes.
>>341920642
Yes, an APU matter of factly is more complex, you spastic. It is a far more complex IC. The CPU and GPU have their own memory bus sitting between one another, this is totally separate from the IMC. They have per part adaptive voltages, with Carrizo and newer APUs they actually have three. They have circuitry in place for gating CPU cores and GPU logic separately.
A stand alone CPU does not have any of this.
Stop talking out of your ass.
>>341920556
Ps4 has zero problem emulating PS2. They even sell games from the store. They are just jewy and make you pay for games you already have, when they can just emulate from disc like pSX. PS3 would be another story, but perhaps possible? M$ does it.
>>341921191
There are like 2 standalone CPus in the consumer market. Modern technology is complex. The hold up is 99% process shrink, not amd not knowing how to put a gpu on the same chip. If it was that much of a problem they would of just fucking included PCI lanes. But that would of been much more money than intergrating.
>>341922887
Again, you retard, nothing you just typed up is of any consequence.
You insisted that somehow, magically, AMD can re draw an entire SoC over night like its nothing. You explicitly argued that an APU was simple.
You are factually wrong about every single thing you try to mention. Tech. Illiterate. Retard.
>>341922887
>PS3 would be another story, but perhaps possible? M$ does it.
M$ does it because their last gen console wasn't an insane abomination of technology. "The Power of the Cell" fucked up PS3 until essentially the end of the cycle. Even with all their documentation, I doubt the Neo is coming out with anything approaching playable PS3 games, except maybe full ports.
>>341923189
When the fuck did I say that?
Literally called the other guy a retard
Just said you are talking out your ass as well. apu is simple intergrating a gpu on the same chip hasn't been an engineering marvel for years. Again, that's why every fucking cpu has one. AMD does it because it's simpler AND cheaper for them to do it then intergrating PCi.
>>341923562
This is correct. I really wasn't thinking powerpc vs cell. M$ probably had powerpc emulation in the works anyway.
PS4 Neo will be able to combat the Scorpio easily, since it will be a PS2-Xbox tier setup by the time both launch.
The Neo will be much cheaper with exclusives, Scorpio much more expensive with no exclusives.
Also the Neo-32x comparison is retarded and should never be used.
>>341923780
You have no idea what the fuck you're talking about.
The chips do have internal PCI-E lanes.
There is nothing simple about bringing multiple complex ICs onto a single die.
Stop talking out of your ass. Jesus.
>>341921191
>Microsoft's APU "design"
>He actually thinks Microsoft actually design their own APU.
Did you even read my post? AMD can only show what's available or what's currently possible with their current APUs and both Sony and Microsoft can only pick and choose what features and possible configuration they want. They don't design anything they just license it which what happen when they show the Jaguar APUs
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jaguar_%28microarchitecture%29
The same would probably happen with revisions, if the new APUs configuration are already for Scorpio then AMD can offer a different version of it to Sony.
>>341924430
You're desperately grasping at straws, kid.
AMD, as per how their semi-custom business operates, designs products for their clients. The products they design belong to their clients.
The chip uses AMD's IP, but the completed design belongs to Microsoft.
Learn how to read, you dumb shit.
I really don't understand how this is going to work. Is Sony seriously going to expect every developer to essentially make two versions of their game for both systems? I mean I guess they already do ports for multiplats but this is just another fucking thing they'll have to waste time and money on.
>>341923972
Is pci on the chip itself or part of the ps4 mobo chipset? Those are different
Anyway just realized pooling ram is probably what makes it more viable. PCiE isn't fast enough.
There is nothing simple about an x86 processor at all, why do you think only two companies do it?
But if it was such a marvel, why would a 6700k stab itself by wasting all that horrible time and money intergrating on something thata used 99.99% of the time with add inboards? How does amd make apus so cheap?
From a manufacturing stand point its nothing special, engineering standpoint sure it's a marvel, but so is a lot of things.
>>341891896
When will they release my god damn 4k optical drive damn it.
>>341892986
Sonyggers weat dreams, it's too late, the Scorpio will be the most powerful console ever for years !
>>341924797
>this moron just won't stop
>literally has no idea what PCI-E is
>has no idea how the package communicates with the board
>has clearly never read a CPU review in his life or he would be aware of it
>thinks the PS4 has a "chipset" when its an SoC with north bridge and south bridge on die
You know what? Just keep posting. The fact that you're this fucking dumb and still willing to embarrass yourself is almost endearing. You're like Cuba Gooding Jr in Radio.
>>341925287
Watching ltt isn't the same as "reading cpu reviews" kid.
If PCIE bus is on the die then that is a fucking retard explanation then, it is completely irrelevant to my add in board comment. That's for the APU you fuckstick. Idk ps4 shit passed it's an amd apu, and yeah it's a pretty impressive gpu to be on the same die. But sorry almost every consumer cpu has included a gpu on die for like 5 years. I don't think AMD engineers are scratching their heads in 2016 saying HOW DO WE DO A SHARED MEMORY CONTROLLER THIS IS SUPER EXTENSIVE AND COMPLEX. Only arguement you could make is of this was somehow harder to do with GDDR5 THAN desktop memory.
>>341926315
>thinks I watch linus twink tips
>still has no clue that CPUs have internal PCI-E lanes
>still just shitposting like the tech illiterate retard he is
God I just want to get you a helmet and have you follow me around all day. You're adorable.
FYI GDDR5 and DRR3 are pin compatible. They only handle signaling differently. You're just precious.
>>341926778
You do understand that having PCIE lanes on the cpu. And having pcie lanes for communication from the cpu and for communication with the CPU and internal GPu are not the same right? Like if you desolderd the igpu from a skylake part, you wouldn't magically get more pcie lanes to play with.
Anyway. Anyway i have said a hundred times this thread that literally every cpu that has the physical space, or that otherwise doesn't have a detriment from it. Has a gpu onboard, becayse why the fuck not. Your response has been hurr durr your dumb technology is hard. You don't understand. AMD spent all zen time on figuiring out how to out a gpu on the same die(i realize they probably won't but still) not process shrink or ipc or anything. Im sure the reason intel abandoned tick tock is nothing to do with moors law being dead or what have you, they can process shrink increase clocks, add more cores no problem. But they dedicated 99% of there enginineers to figuire out how to get those damn iGPUs onboard. Anyway im done. Go troll somewhere else.
>>341927915
>Hes still
>even after all this time
>still making an ass of himself
>after just googling internal PCI lanes just a minute ago
>he actually even parroted the moore's law is dead meme
You can't even type out coherent punctuated sentences. You're just a cute little tech illiterate retard rambling incoherently.
>>341924639
No, Microsoft is just paying license fees for their chosen APU configurations. AMD is the one who dictate what is possible with their APU designs since it's their technology not Microsoft's.
This is not last gen where they use to design overly custom chip which is extremely expensive and time consuming. Now they can shop for parts from AMD and license few a features and technologies. no need for expensive and long R&Ds and time consuming testing
>>341929187
Not the other guy, but isn't Moore's Law significantly slowing down?
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