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defend this
>>341874587
it's a kids game
>>341874587
*whips out dick*
https://boards.fireden.net/v/search/image/LLgCV7DHW4nd3TB9TuImtQ/
>>341874692
> kids don't want a challenge
What the fuck happened?
It gives the developers leeway to add new types because everyone isn't constantly having to relearn all the matchups.
The hardest Pokemon game ever made had the exact same feature.
By removing the possibility that you don't know the typing, they can make the game challenging in other ways.
>game originally created for children includes features to allow children to play more effectively
>>341874863
Memorizing a chart isn't really a "challenge", or at least not the fun kind of challenge.
>>341874587
It'll most likely be optional
>>341874587
It's a quick reference to information which was always readily available in the instruction booklet of gen 1.
They don't make instruction booklets anymore so this makes sense.
I looked that shit up from time to time when I played as a kid, this just saves time.
Defend this
>>341874587
its not really a big deal. believe it or not there are children who have never picked up a pokemon game that would be thrilled to know about this mechanic. all it is an eye sore to those who already understand the game but not that much of an issue
>>341874587
A lot of new pokemon don't really look like whatever dual type they can be, and remembering what, 800+ now? pokemon and their types can be annoying.
It's not like the games are hard regardless though, and it's better for the leagues of literal children who are still the primary audience for these games. You can still brute force things and easily win.
>>341874587
good cos i still cant fucking figure out half of dark and fairys shit
No you defend THIS
>Unzips katana
It doesn't show up until you've already beaten the Pokemon in question. SMT has been doing the same thing for several years.
>>341875212
Why did they decide Bug beats Dragon anyway?
I don't get that.
>>341874587
Children shouldn't have to memorize a chart. Memorization is not difficult.
>>341874587
Gee, it sure was hard back in the day to spend 15 whole minutes checking type combinations. How dare they make the game so much easier now.
>>341874863
Arcades are dead, so no-one is growing up trying to stretch their quarter by getting good.
>>341874587
We know its there but not if its optional or not, Considering the pokedex is a pokemon now it might just be the return of Poke-aps, Or something along those lines.
Yungoos being turned into another meme by a certain degenerate cult is a bigger problem desu
>>341875212
>Bug strong vs Psychic
WHISPER YOUR SWEET LITTLE LIES GAMEFREAK
>>341875307
Because dragons are scared of bugs.
It's a feature that helps kids or busy adults that don't care to memorize the 800 some Pokemon. Considering that it's not there when you first encounter a Pokemon, there's absolutely no reason to complain about something that most other games(even smt) do
>>341875307
what did he mean by this?
>>341875413
I find trump being compared to an ugly cartoon mongoose amusing, let them meme away
>>341874587
It's a minor qol change and plenty of modern jrpg give you weakness indicators for enemies you've already defeated.
You fags will argue over anything
>>341874587
I'd prefer it to be able to be turned off, but it existing isn't too much of a problem - Pokemon is too repetitive for this to make much of a difference though. Kind of makes sense that a modern pokedex would be able to tell you stuff like this too.
>>341874587
I don't see the issue here.
Many jrpgs let you know whether an attack is effective or not these days.
It really does not matter as most players never use anything but the first move and mashing A throughout the game.
But I like it along with this.
>>341875307
That's bullshit, it's saying bug beats ghost
>there are people who complain about the difficulty of modern Pokemon games who are guilty of using only their starter during at least one of their playthroughs
Let that sink in for a while.
>>341876194
Yes, but that chart is twenty years out of date.
They changed it.
>>341875482
Nigger what, Psychic is weak to bug
>>341875482
It wasn't a lie. It's just that Psychic wasn't NVE against it...
I'm more concerned about whether or not there will be a worthwhile postgame
>>341876270
I don't see how that's conflicting with me complaining about this game being so FUCKING HARD JESUS CHRIST
>>341876361
In gen 1 all bug moves and bugs themself were shit.
>>341874587
If it happened after using that move against a type then I'm fine with it. Trainers in game should remember what happens.
If it's there from the start then it's indefensible.
DEFEND THIS NINTENBABBIES
>>341876270
hey man....grinding pidgeys to fight brock was tough.....tch kids these days
>>341875212
>The anime retconned Ghost vs. Psychic as of Sabrina's episode
>Chart says it's a bad idea.
>>341875212
You didn't always know the type of your enemy's Pokemon. Especially for dual-types.
This game is literally spoonfeeding you that information based on what you're attacking.
>>341876530
Tackle is a Normal type move.
What's hard to grasp about that?
>>341876513
It's already confirmed to only show if you've already beaten the Pokemon before.
>>341876274
If I go on bulbapedia, it better say bug beats dragon...
http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Bug_(type)
NOPE FUCKER. Only three changes to bug.
>>341876582
>It's okay when SMT does it
>>341876689
It's literally spoonfeeding you the type of your attack.
You should be able to remember the type of every single attack, any competitive player worth their salt already does anyways.
>>341876696
Thanks bro, I didn't know that. I'm cool with it then.
>>341874587
Goddamn, Nintendo really thinks its fanbase is fucking stupid.
>>341876194
>>341875307
You guy's eyes suck at following a straight ling
Bug is 12. 12 is marked with a Circle on 11 which means it's Super Effective on Psychic and an X on 14 which means it's NVE on Ghost
When the chart is going DOWN that's when it's defense relations rather than attacking, meaning Bug receives Super Effective Damage FROM Fire, Poison, Flying and Rock.
>>341874863
Let's Plays.
>>341876819
Remember? How? There were no move descriptions back in those days. What you saw is what you got, we had to figure out why the hell Nightshade suddenly started sucking ass.
>>341877084
I'll play devils advocate here but I don't really think that neither Nintendo or GF is to blame for this abomination, the one to blame is TPCi, they are why we have region lock events and other shit, they want the wider audinece even if that sacrifices older audience.
they are nothing but publishing goons.
>the people complaining about this can't even read an actual type chart
You can't make this shit up.
>>341876582
You don't get the 'super effective' tooltip until you've caught the pokemon and registered its type in your pokedex, though
>>341876819
Anon, that doesn't make sense.
By that logic, equipment in RPGs shouldn't tell you their element either if there is one. You should be able to know it off hand.
The logic we're arguing is similar to the game flat out telling players the enemie's weakness' without having to use Scan or whatever ability needed to determine it.
>>341874587
You are not especially smart or skilled for knowing or guessing the type chart and that is not where the challenge of the game comes from. This is doing nothing but displaying information that has always been available for you to reference since the beginning of Pokemon. You didn't even need the Internet, the type chart was in the manual.
You can't even argue that it takes away the fun of figuring out the enemy's type since it doesn't display for a Pokemon you've never met.
>>341877562
>Year of our Lord two thousand and sixteen
>Not completing your dex
>>341877562
>The Pokedex actually being used for something
Nah, it must only serve as the most lackluster encyclopedia in the world.
>>341877334
Most people who are complaining about this feature have been playing Pokemon for so long that the type chart is drilled into their minds and they already know the typings of any non-newcomers by heart, this makes no difference to them what so ever.
>>341877669
>By that logic, equipment in RPGs shouldn't tell you their element either if there is one. You should be able to know it off hand.
I actually agree with this one. You shouldn't be able to look at a sword and know it does 1d6+1 slashing damage, +1 to hit with an extra +2 damage and +2 to hit vs wookies. It should just be called "Wookiebane" and have a description of how this short sword was used to slay wookies and appears to have a magical aura around it, assuming you pass the lore, appraise and detect magic checks.
>>341875212
Jesus, Psychic was OP back in the day
>Won't be able to trick kids online with Sudowoodo and other pokemon that don't look like their typing any more
It was fun while it lasted. I don't even care if it was a wasted slot on my team, watching someone trying to figure out why they couldn't land super effective fire moves on my fake tree friend was worth it every time.
>>341874587
doesn't make the game easier, unless you pride yourself on beating kids. Your build matters that's all.
>>341878228
Yeah, but they were pretty hard to get with STAB so it makes sense. Abras were rare and impossible to catch unless your Pokemon was fast and overleveled.
>>341874863
>remembering a chart is challenging
>not building you team
You are the turbo casual there. Go back to shit pseudorpg garbage like Witcher3, casual, that's were you belong to rot forever.
>>341874587
How am I supposed to know what's effective against what? What the fuck even is 'fairy'?
>>341878736
Fairy is a type of pokemon. Duh.
>>341878012
>obtuse normie misses the point
>>341878831
No, the element. What kind of element is Fairy?
>>341879269
What kind of element is Dragon?
>>341879269
The element of meta-game balance.
New players should already know that we needed another type to deal with dragons.
>>341879248
>/tg/ related shit is normie now
How and why did this happen?
>>341879416
What's the difference between Fighting and Normal?
>>341879510
>all Pokémon fight
>not all Pokémon are Fighting-type
Defend this
>>341879470
>Not just having Ice Punch, Ice Fang or Blizzard on your Pokemon.
>>341879416
Mystical? Name one monster more capable of destruction than a Dragon.
>>341879510
Normal types aren't martial arts masters, don't possess superhuman strengthor are allies of justice
>>341879670
Yeah, but my Granbull doesn't get any STAB from those!
The simpler solution is obviously to just make an entirely new type up.
>>341879510
>What's the difference between Fighting and Normal?
Same as martial arts vs lying down on a fucker until he turns blue
>>341879416
What kind of element is Ghost?
>>341879632
>Pokemon can fly
>It's not flying type
>Pokemon has a second type along with normal
>Type Normal/Not normal
I can dance on the head of a pin as well!
>>341879774
>don't possess superhuman strength
I'm not about to go through all of them, but I know someone will find one considering the sheer power level of some Pokemon.
>>341879723Mankind.
>>341879847
Spiritual and Mischievous
>>341879929
Well you'll have Normal types that can thrash shit like Braviary but that's like saying /fit/ could outbench Superman.
>>341878012
Only works in games with a low number of unique equipment, otherwise testing it out will be an annoyance
>>341879723
Godzilla.
>>341880174
So Dragons are nukes is what you're saying.
And magic defeats nukes.
>Psychics are no longer OP
This kills the lore. I guess Mew and Mewtwo are just shitters who jobs to keychains now?
>>341876510
>only decent Bug move is Twineedle
>2-hit base power 25 move coming off of Beedrill's base 90 ATK
>Even if Beedrill wasn't part Poison it'd be too fragile to stand up to Alakazam or any decent Psychic-type
>the only real other option is Pin Missile which you can get on... Jolteon
Thank fuck Bug has come a long way since then.I just wish Psychic didn't have to suffer so much, and it's not even because of Bugs themselves
>>341880417
>only decent Bug move is Twineedle
>imfuckingplying
How you brought fire
>>341880406
Fairies are now the OP type in the meta. They were introduced in the last generation and are aggravatingly good.
![047[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/s6bA0kC.jpg "047[1].jpg")
>>341880576
Spore is Grass-type, I believe.
>>341880576
Leech Life sucked balls nigga
>>341880406
You're 17 years too late for that one, anon. Not to mention the only reason why Psychics were OP in the first place was because
1) The only Ghosts were part Poison
2) Ghosts were made to NOT hurt Psychic at all which might have been unintended.
3) Special Stat broken as fuck
4) The movepool favored some types over others
>>341880406
It's not that Psychic got worse, it's just between the Physical/Special attack rebalance and other types getting better, Psychic isn't OP
>>341880417
Bug has come really far...
>>341876270
Thank you doctor.
>>341874863
Socialism.
>Draw a snail
>Call it a bug
>Remove its shell
>It's a ninja bug
Brilliant.
>>341874587
SMT/EO do it and I don't see anyone complaining.
>>341881762
That's because those are good games in spite of it, unlike your Nintendo baby shit, which has absolutely nothing going for it.
I like it, now i dont have to look up every pokemon i face on smogon to see if i can touch them or not.
>it's okay when SMT does it
>>341881938
>I don't have a real argument
>>341881938
If there's absolutely nothing going on for Pokemon, then why even care enough to complain about this? It sounds like you should've dropped the series a long time ago.
>>341881071
>x4 stealth rock
.................... wo....w..............korewamushishinoshikara......
>>341874587
>it only shows up if you've seen that Pokemon before
>>341882368
>It took a while for clandestine crag to become popular
>Yanmega was in OU for a few weeks
Halcyon days.
>>341874587
fucking disgusting.
>>341874587
SMT lets you see weaknesses/resistances.
They only appear after you've seen the Pokemon before.
Posting it here because the other thread went dead and I already had all of this typed out
>>341883610
I think he means archaic in that the Gen 1 games lack features that made later games much nicer, as well as the Game Boy constraints.
I don't think anyone misses the unified special stats, having to change PC boxes manually and how PC boxes were managed in general or how Psychic was the end all typing.
>You can like it, but you can't not admit it's a shit design
It could have been better yeah, the weird hunchback is the big issue rather than anything else you mentioned, imho.
There are worse designs out there, anyway.Like Typhlosion
>>341885249
That's not proof you retarded nigger, none of those are NVE or SE.
>>341885249
Does he have anything effective or non-effective against a pichu though?
>>341885471
Except it says if a move is regular effective too
>>341885471
>>341885493
You dumbasses
Look at the first pic in OP, theres three states, Effective , Super and Not very effectives. The pic that anon posted has none of them, not even the effective, without super/not very.
You have to see the pokemon first.
Stop getting baited.
>>341885493
Those moves all hit for neutral, or with in-game terms, effective.
>>341874587
Nice and convenient, saves the hassle of looking stuff up if you can't memorize something. Really doesn't make the game any easier.
I am loving these small quality of life UI changes, like how you can finally see a Pokémon's stat changes.
>>341885471
"Effective" means Neutral, OP image was taken from facing a pure Fire type.
We don't know if 4× weaknesses and resistances will have a different label, but I assume not. It probably also won't account for Flash Fire, Heatproof, Thick Fat, etc.
>>341882368
>non-shit Speed, Hp and Sp.Def
>Quiver Dance
It will still be reduced to 50%, but switch at the correct moment and the hit becomes meaningless.
>>341874587
>memorizing almost one thousand pokemons different types that sometimes defy their what they look like
>for this reason, you would wiki it
saves some time on the internet
>People on /v/ are so bad at games that they think gen 1 Pokémon was hard
Defend what? The autist who keeps spamming they casualized a children's game even further? How he keeps posting it even though all the replies are always making fun of people who give a fuck? How he treats /v/ as a /vg/ for his own shit threads that he has been nonstop posting since the second this was shown?
I'm at a loss. Give me something to work with at least OP. There's not much to defend here.
>>341885249
Probably even only after you have caught them, or at least registered them as caught. The PokéDex registered all 3 starter Pokémon as caught for some reason, but since the E3 showcase caught every Pokémon when they first saw it, we can't really tell yet.
>>341874863
Let's play
2016
Tumblr
Reddit.
Waste of time.
Doing the same thing over and over
pick all of these
>>341886335
Name a harder Pokemon game then faglord
>>341887115
any Mystery Dungeon or Conquest post-game
>>341887232
Only SPMD and possibly Zero Isle come close to the bullshit that is R2.
>>341876479
>SPMD
>Hard
>>341887232
Conquest post-game kind of becomes a joke once you do one of the "catch 100 Pokémon" campaigns since you can just grind almost every character to their perfect partner and get all the legendary partners
>>341887345
Explorers: Destiny Tower, most other dungeons with restrictions
PSMD: Destiny Tower again and still with 99 floors in a game balanced for dungeons with much less floors, Sacred Ruins
>The difficult part in a pokemon battle is knowing your type matchups
This is completely a non-issue.
This guy has the right idea. >>341885724
The campaign is already easy enough. Any difficulty isn't a result of not knowing a type matchup.
A lot of people are acting like being told that a move is super effective is overpowered or somehow lets you win the fight when you wouldn't anyway.
The type of people who complain about this being "dumbing the game down" are likely terrible at multiplayer battles.
>>341886458
Last two could were also there when Gen1 was released
