Seriously /v/, what the fuck went oh so fucking wrong?
And they can't even put GameCube titles up on the eshop
How easy is it to emulate TTYD famalia?
>>341859315
Easy as pie, you could even mod your Wii U's internal Wii to run Gamecube games. That isn't easy as pie though.
They don't want it to be an RPG because they want it to be different from the Mario & Luigi series.
>>341859489
M&L Series is TRASH
Why don't they realize this?
>>341859489
We better get rid of Mystery Dungeon then, why would Nintendo need two seperate Pokemon RPGs co-existing?
Call up Square too, tell them to cancel Dragon Quest.
>>341859184
it went wrong when they didn't make Mario RPG 2 and instead made paper mario
>>341859184
>>341859315
>>341859391
>>341859489
>>341859587
>>341859607
>>341859683
Reminder that you all brought this upon yourselves. In the worldwide survey held by Nintendo, the majority of voters stated that they don't like story in their mario games, Paper Mario games included.
You brought this upon yourselves, /v/.
>>341859184
I'm summoning the colour splash apologist autist who posts the final boss bowser.jpg together with a copypasted,terrible argument on why CS is going to be good while the first 2 games were bad. I'm also summoning his (You)'s
>>341859184
Don't worry, a new age is beginning at Nintendo.
This will be one of the last of its kind.
>>341859725
I never voted in whatever survey that is, this ain't on me
>>341859184
>what the fuck went oh so fucking wrong?
Whiny TTYD fags shitting all over the place.
>>341859607
>why would Nintendo need two seperate Pokemon RPGs co-existing?
One's a run of the mill jrpg, the other's a roguelike.
>>341860014
Ok so then im sure a team of experienced developers can realize that PM and M&L are nothing alike except for the basic framework of battling.
>>341859725
Color Splash has story, it just lacks RPG mechanics.
>>341860170
Let's be honest, none of us care about RPG in a mario game anyway.
>>341859489
And they took SSS and decided, you know what would make this better? A fucking gimmick in every sequel.
>>341859184
>We're too lazy to separate the toads based on appearance but they totally have different personalities and you'll be able to tell guiz trust us
>original characters? Fuck that
>We dont' want to spoil it but Bowser is obv the final boss
>also koopalings you asked for koopalings a long time ago and now you'll get koopalings in every game from now on aren't you happy
>>341859184
You nintoddlers brought this on yourself by 2 million buying sticker star
>>341860153
No, no. Paper Mario is the run of the mill jrpg.
>>341860153
Are they?
>both have active battles
>both are ultra quirky
>one is mostly on handhelds though
>>341860332
>Would our fans buy an HD version of TYD?
>If you want a mario RPG go play M&L
>We got the paint idea from the devs kids enjoying painting
Is this the worst Nintendo interview in recent memory?
>>341860445
The problem was that no one knew Sticker Star was going to be shit when it first came out.
The OST, artstyle, and puzzles/collectibles in Sticker Star were really good. Literally everything else was pointless or shit.
Here's to hoping the next M&L game is good, since Paper Mario seems to be dead as of Super Paper Mario.
>>341860545
>Mostly on handhelds
Mario & Luigi is ALL handhelds unless you count Wii U VC.
>>341859587
>This is what Paperdrones actually believe
>>341860634
>The problem was that no one knew Sticker Star was going to be shit when it first came out.
I did. We saw videos, we saw the bland toads, we saw all the "new" style shit, we saw the shitty battle system, we saw how puzzles were just find that one sticker and we saw fuck all story
You guys just refuse to see till it is too late
>>341860548
>Aonuma recruited “a different set of programmers than I’ve worked with in the past. This is a group of people who have studied triple-A games, and researched and dissected what kind of elements we can add to Nintendo games to create experiences like that.”
In other words, Nintendo is studying where others succeed, deconstructing those games down, and reassembling those elements in a game immediately recognizable as a Nintendo title. Their work will shape games beyond Zelda. “Because of all the efforts that they’ve put in, we were able to create a new base,” Aonuma says, “so I think you’ll start to see different types of games in the future.”
>>341860634
It's almost as if SS fixed everything horrible about SPM.
>>341860545
Way more people havent even touched the M&L series past Superstar Saga because they prefer the battles and humor of PM.
Bowsers Inside Story is still proclaimed to be the real sequel to Superstar Saga while the other entries are mediocre. I love both franchises but youll be hard pressed to find anybody whos played every M&L compared to people who have played PM64 and TYD.
>>341860850
>Mario becoming a FPS
No
NOOOOO
>>341860850
Monolith Soft.
>>341860850
>hey we're gonna see what worked for other games in the past
>but fuck off we're never making a proper PM again because we don't care that people liked those
Assassination when
>>341861178
Well he also says that the reason they took Zelda back to the open world approach was because they listened to fan feedback over Skyward Sword.
So hopefully the real change, and what they mean here, is that they are looking at what their fans actually want.
>>341861197
Yep.
I think Nintendo is refocusing. Miyamoto's complete failure to turn up anything worthwhile for the gamepad with Star Fox was the last straw. Aonuma's team tried it with Zelda and ultimately just said no, all this does is make the game worse.
Miyamoto is going to be backed away from game development, fresh blood is going to be given more focus and they're going to pay attention to feedback. Or at least I hope that's what this all means. At least there finally is some home.
>>341861287
Well take heart, anon, because if what I just said is true, that too may be changing.
>>341861429
>At least there finally is some home
*hope.
Though BotW kinda does feel like coming home, too.
The only way I'd forgive Nintendo is if they make a Paper Mario Amiibo.
>>341859184
Miyamoto and his ego trip of shitty demands.
>>341859489
M&L: Goofy handheld RPGs
PM: Larger more story-driven console RPGs
WOW THAT WAS HARD
>>341861178
Yoshi Safari.
>"just play M&L, RPG fans!"
>I haven't liked an M&L since Superstar Saga (BiS came close)
>>341861545
>it's been four years and retards still blame Miyamoto for a game he was largely uninvolved with
>>341860170
BOSWER TOOK DA PRINCUZ AGEN LOL
AND DA KOPPERLINS DUN GUN FITE YOU
Nice story you got there fampai.
>>341859725
They said they didn't like the story of super paper mario.
I remember they brought it up when they announced sticker star.
Idk how that translated to lol moar toads
>>341859587
Why is the M&L series getting so hated on? Damn that producer saying that line.
>>341861632
People blame Miyamoto for EVERYTHING concerning Nintendo. It's baffling how stupid people can be.
>>341861550
This pretty much.
I'd also add that PM has slower, more strategic battles where as M&L has fast-paced, energetic battles. I have to wonder if people who say they're similar have actually played both series because they sure as hell don't feel it.
>>341861617
Well, that's your problem. All M&L are good (even PiT) and both DT and PJ are better than the very overrated BiS.
>>341861429
>Miyamoto's complete failure to turn up anything worthwhile for the gamepad with Star Fox was the last straw. Aonuma's team tried it with Zelda and ultimately just said no, all this does is make the game worse.
Pikman was Miyamoto's real showcase and Aonuma has already successfully done it with Wind Waker. We he said recently was just PR to draw people in for the NX.
>>341861617
The worst part is that if Dream Team was shorter, didnt have forced tutorials and maybe tweaked some mechanics it would be really enjoyable. As of now its just alright.
>>341861632
>>341861752
Miyamoto tried his damndest to get rid of Rosalina, and to have zero backstory in Mario Galaxy (which he achieved in Galaxy 2).
Face it the guy is a fucking grade A autist, and he hates new characters and story in Mario games.
>>341861632
He ruined the predecessor and set the guidlines on how a Paper Mario is supposed to look from now on. Of course I blame his retarded ass.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q-ZiCJnUYPA&list=PLAE1E7981ABE768F6
>You will never go on another fun adventure through Mario's world
>You will never meet whacky characters, endearing companions, and take on massive enemies
>You will never be a part of an epic quest to save the world again
>You will never again be a pro wrestler
>You'll never be a train detective
>You'll never be a cut throat on the high seas with a crew of scurvy dogs
>You'll never help your companion to meet his long lost father
>You'll never save the princess only to find she actually saved herself
>You'll never go to the fucking MOON
It hurts so much bros. I love everything about this game. All they had to do was continue with Paper Mario's wonderful heritage, but they JUST FUCKED HIS SHIT UP
>>341861826
I'm not saying that they're objectively awful, I just personally didn't like anything past the original. None of the sequels got the full package quite as right as SSS did, imo.
>>341862003
>>341860850
Would you play a Mario game with a similar structure to a Sly Cooper game?
Josh just uploaded this after seeing the trailer and gameplay for Color Splash
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O60dpkW93tA
Color Splash is such a stupid decision that even a fan of Sticker Star is pissed.
>>341859315
Played it a few months ago. What few frame drops and graphical bugs can be easily fixed by some settings changes. Perfectly playable.
>>341861649
You're just as bad as people that think Zelda needs to drop Ganon/Ganondorf. Bowser being the antagonist isn't a real issue. The real issue is his identity has been shifted from a conqueror to a silly rival of sorts.
>>341859184
Mario and Luigi got popular
Risa Tabata about the decision-making behind the project. She cut to the core of why Paper Mario keeps moving away from RPG elements: Nintendo's other Mario RPG franchise, Mario & Luigi.
>"Really making this game started with the idea of wanting to use cards," she explained of the decision to develop Color Splash. "Since you've got this parallel Mario & Luigi RPG series, we definitely wanted to make a distinction between the two series and have them go in different directions."
I asked Tabata whether there is any thought about alternating the adventure style with a more RPG-focused game similar to what AlphaDream put together with Mario & Luigi: Paper Jam, and her answer was that it "depends on what kind of game we like to [make]."
>"Since we already have this established RPG series, rather than just making another RPG series as well, we wanted to do something different and provide a different experience to players," Tabata said. "I think what was good about the original Paper Mario games wasn't just the RPG elements but the puzzle solving and the humor, so as we've gone forward we've put more of our effort into the puzzle-solving aspects and really emphasizing the humor in the games."
http://uk.ign.com/articles/2016/06/17/e3-2016-paper-mario-color-splash-brings-sticker-star-mechanics-to-the-wii-u
>all those underage retards defending SS and Color Trash in YouTube comments
>most of them admit SS was their first
>>341861973
Stop.
Why the fuck are they pushing Toad so hard in everything now?
>>341862343
and most of them have Nintendo avatars
>>341862273
The issue is turning him back into a dumb monster that just goes RAWR I'M THE FINAL BOSS, when Bowser in the previous PMs was so great.
>>341862051
Not him but that's kind of really tall order. It's not like Superstar Saga is a perfect game as well. Every one of them have their strengths and weaknesses. I mean the latest one got rid of mandatory tutorials finally, so that's a huge plus in it's favor. They're all at least above Sticker Star and maybe even SPM for some of them in some degree.
>>341862314
>humour in modern paper Mario
LITERALLY every other joke is "haha I'm made of paper!". The devs don't have a funny bone in their body these days.
Fuck you nintendo. Fuck you.
Miyamoto hates unique character designs because he can't sell a bunch of toys and slap their faces onto everything for extra easy money.
>>341862273
if Sticker Star is any indication to how Bowser will act in Color Splash then hes gonna be devoid of any personality again
In SPM he had the greatest quote in the entire series possibly. In Sticker Star he didnt even fucking talk. And yes i know the koopalings talk in Color Splash.
>>341862578
If they bring back advanced variants of bros attacks and a non-mushroom kingdom world I'd be glad to jump back in.
>>341862657
But Color Splash already seems to have more personality than SS.
>>341859184
Game looks amazing. All the paper mario & m&l rpg games are casual trash for mature 8 year olds anyway.
>>341862343
>it's INCONCEIVABLE to speak positively about Sticker Star!
Face it TTYD boi, you are just as bad as them. It's ok though, you can step aside now as the Sticker Star formula will become the new standard. And there's NOTHING you can do about it.
May I suggest replaying TTYD? After all, that's perfection right there is it not? Make room for the ACTUAL Paper Mario fans, those who can embrace change and welcome it too
>>341862794
>>341862805
And here we go
Whats next, are we gonna shitpost about how horrible modern Kirby games are again? Or how about defending Federation Force?
>>341862736
Well the only thing they haven't brought back is Advanced Variants, as a non Mushroom Kingdom world was present in Dream Team. Though you get a lot more special moves in general as both the regular and Dream Worlds have their own sets of Bro Moves.
>>341862905
Nobody can say anything bad about modern Kirby. Or any Kirby. Kirby is perfection
>Morton in M&L5
>Morton in SS2
What the fuck happened?
>>341863041
If only you saw the shitposting going on yesterday friend.
Some dude trying to convince people that Dream Land 2 is the best of the series and that modern HAL games are for babies with shit side content.
>>341859725
>worldwide survey
First, it was only in Japan, and second, no one said they didn't like it, they just didn't say anything about it period because no one fills out Club Nintendo surveys, and Nintendo took that to mean no one liked the story
It all makes sense now, /v/...
She'sbeen in cahoots with Tanabe the whole time!
>>341859489
Literally this was confirmed at e3.
If there's enough of a backlash the best we can hope for is them to bring TTYD as a remaster or something.
>>341863170
When Bowser Jr. kept showing up in games, people starting asking for the Koopalings. Now they are annoyed they got their wish.
>>341859184
Does anyone else get a feeling like they know this game is going to flop, and they're aware of the feedback, but it's simply too late to fix it? They have been working on this game, at least allegedly, for about 4 years. I'd imagine it was a side project that they did out of wanting to do it, then when it came crunch time for the NX and nintendo needed something to fill out the wii u schedule, this game got hauled from the archives and shoved out. It just feels like they know what they're saying is bullshit, but it's all they can do at the moment since it's the only wii u game coming out before christmas. It's not an option to delay or cancel it, they have to stick to their guns and say that it's great and it's going to be fun.
And of course they're going to say the aren't going back to their roots, if they said "The next one will be a traditional RPG" everyone would just skip this one. I don't know, I have hope for this series in the future. Maybe I'm fucking retarded, but who knows.
>>341863170
HATE NEWSPAPERS
>>341863349
>Does anyone else get a feeling like they know this game is going to flop, and they're aware of the feedback, but it's simply too late to fix it?
Stop with the fanfiction.
>>341863349
Maybe. Almost definitely the case with Federation Force. They didn't even show that at E3 and it's coming out in August.
>>341859587
Although PM and TTYD are superior to all the M&L except SSS, (and TTYD has SSS beat) the other four games are fantastic. PiT is only shitty compared to the other games in the series; BIS and DT are practically the same game are are both solid 8s or 9s, and even though PJ got its story gutted it had the best combat in the series.
AlphaDream does solid work and only buttblasted Paperdrones dislike the series.
>>341863297
I hate koopalings
>>341863538
I really disliked the papercraft battles and the horrible toad hunting that was so much of the actual gametime.
>>341859184
This went wrong.
>>341863349
Their biggest mistake was admitting that they started development on this game immediately after finishing Sticker Star.
Instead of waiting to see how fans reacted, seeing criticism of how to improve the gameplay or waiting for sales numbers they jumped right into a sequel that nobody wanted yet.
>>341863637
Yeah true those are terrible. Pure combat is where PJ shined.
>>341862752
>MODERN Paper Mario
>>341859184
The condom broke and there you were
>>341861949
And now Rosalina is in everything, so...
Also, Galaxy 2 was better than the first game.
>>341863559
That's fair. People were asking for them though.
>>341862418
and pony avatars, that's one I see too often
>>341863708
At the very least, that means the Paper Mario after this should return to its roots.
>>341864019
It's roots right now is Super Paper Mario.
>>341864009
Ponies are still popular? I thought the show shit the bed and that fans only follow it for the porn?
Do you guys ever feel like we're always talking to the same people in here?
I always see the same conversations. I'm pretty sure it's literally always the same 10 people in these threads having genuine debates and conversation, because it's always the same thread every time.
>>341863945
>so...
So Miyamoto lost, and it was a good thing.
Exactly my point.
>>341859184
>That watermark on the picture
OP is a fag but whoever did that edit is the biggest fag.
>P-please, check my tumblr if you liked my picture filled of memes
I'm puking.
>>341864302
Or, fucking everybody feels the same way about this shit.
Yes, we're mad. I'm glad /v/ is just as mad as I happen to be.
>>341864302
There's a lot of parroting going on.
>>341859184
Why the fuck is the bucket both 2d and 3d?
>>341863279
>TTYD as a remaster
>no noose in Rougeport
>reading the diary doesn't do anything
>Flurry has clothes
B R A V O
>>341863272
>people hate on tanabe because of muh mean ol federation force
It's hilarious how short sighted people are
>>341859725
>worldwide survey held by Nintendo
Absolute lies.
It was Club Nintendo circlejerk.
Also they didn't say they didn't like story, they said that story wasn't the most liked feature.
Basic japanese jewry.
>>341862594
The modern Paper Mario jokes are still better than SPM and TTYD where every character is basically a clown.
>>341864583
>no longer grab flurries tit to make her exhale
>vivian looks like a tumblrina
No thanks senpai
>>341864761
its pretty surreal watching him turn into the new sakamoto
>>341865249
They would display Vivians feminine ghost cock on screen at all times to appeal to the trans community
>>341863170
>Morton =/= Paper Morton
>>341865206
You're a shitty troll
>>341863520
That's different at least, there's games coming to the 3DS. Paper Mario is the single game they have coming out for the Wii U in the holiday season
Nintendo is just lazy.
>>341865465
>Paper Morton =/= good and unique boss
>>341865747
*Honk Honk*
>>341864019
No, it just means they're going to try some other kooky gimmick for the next one. I'm assuming the next one will use copy blocks like PJ.
>>341863170
Great, the Koopalings are in it. So now they don't even have to try to make unique bosses.
>>341866328
that's not all fampatchi, he hauled out a hammer that was on fire, and then the treehouse nigger had to use a fire extingisher card on it which depleted about 80% of his health
>>341864761
Tanabe is in a dark age right now. The most recent good games he produced have been the new DKC games (All developed by Retro). Most everything is shit like Sticker Star and Chibi-Robo: Zip Lash.
The fact that he's worked on some really good games in the past makes the fact that most of his recent games have been awful even worse.
can we all tweet or email intsys directly to let them know we want another RPG or at least a remaster to guage interest? They said they'd be open to remaster if people wanted it, and people want it, so they're clearly not looking in the right places to see, how can we let them know?
>>341859743
Seconding.
Even reddit hates this game, this is unbelievable, reddit is usually full of drones for any one particular subject. I would have expected them to be in the "As long as it's paper mario in a new adventure I'm set!" camp
>>341863708
So they've been working on this for 4 years?
It doesn't seem like it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7w4FGwguIPA
How long before we actually see this used to make a full on fan game? Seems interesting.
>>341868138
There have been rumors for it being a side project of theirs since sticker star came out. It's been showing up on resumes since 2013 at least, and it was in a pamphlet for games IS was working on at a job fair thing in japan (it just said "a new paper mario game" in the pamphlet, no specifics)
they made it a turn-based platformer instead of a proper RPG. That's what went wrong.
>Gamexplain: "Something fans noted about Sticker Star is that it focused primarily on traditional mushroom kingdom characters and that there was a lack of new characters. So can we expect to see any new characters in Color Splash, or is it focused more on the mushroom kingdom again?"
>Nintendo: "You'll see lots and lots of Toads, but as you talk to them you realize 'oh, these are all completely different people!'. Like, even if you see one Toad in town, and then, when you meet that Toad in another place, you'll know they're the same Toad because of the way they talk and what they talk about."
>>341868420
I can't believe that bitch thought this was a goo thing
>See this Toad that looks like the rest? Well he's that one from a while back! Not that you'd know that
>>341868420
This is such a fucking shitty excuse for being too lazy to design new characters.
>>341861178
BRB MAKING THE LEGEND OF ZELDA MODERN WARFARE
t-thanks
>>341863170
Nostalgiafags didn't realize that Bowser Jr. replaced them for a reason.
>>341868572
It sounds pretty similar to what Taro Kudo said about Sticker Star back then.
>>341869281
Action/Adventure is the alternative rock of video game genres. It's so vaguely defined.
>>341869330
god he's just as fucking bad
kammy was the best cohort
>>341862905
>>341862343
>THEIR OPINIONS ARE DIFFERENT FROM MINE!
>THAT MEANS THEY ARE UNDERAGE RETARDS!
Way to go, /v/.
