ITT: "Villains" who did nothing wrong
>>341815695
He destroyed their home planet and cheated in an honor duel
>>341815695
Man, that movie was shit. Is it better or worse if you're a Warcraft fan?
>>341817282
Wasn't shit
Was/is better if you played wc3/wow cause of nostalgia
>>341815695
The reason he was a good villain was BECAUSE he did wrong things.
>>341817282
It was both due to being able to recognize some things that were right and wrong. Quite a bit was changed.
Durotan's death (Fairly okay, given how it went)
Blackhand's death (Questionable. Really changed from games.),
Orgrim's position (Super questionable, one of the biggest changes),
Garona and Medivh actually fell in love in the game (And everyone is happy they didn't because Me'dan is a little sack of shit),
Stormwind actually got sacked at the end of Warcraft O&H.
I feel a lot of the scenes got cut for run time, like Trolls, Elves, and Dwarves, and a bit of establishment had to go too.
>>341816917
>no Kreia
>>341817282
Im usually /tv/ fedora who usually hates most of the newly released movies, but i fucking loved it.
Its prolly cos i spent my childhood with war3 and wow, or prolly cos it was the first movie i saw on imax 3d and the effect/cgi in this movie are really amazing.
I can see how a non-fan might dislike it tho, they tried to pack too much in too little time, the pacing was clunky and its obvious there are at least ~40 mins cut from it.I think eventual full djrectors cut will fix a lot of the problems.
Tl:dr, its a good movie for fans, its decent movie for the rest.It definetely has problems, but its not even close to the "utter shit" that critics and /v/ edgy kids try to make it be
>>341815695
he cheated, fuccboi
>>341818020
Not trying to be edgy, lad, just didn't enjoy the movie, what can I tell you.
>>341815695
orcs are pussys, they coulda gangbanged gul dan after he cheated
>>341818260
Think he was more referring to the shitters who posted webms of low-quality youtube videos trying to make it look worse than it was.
>>341817876
Best change is Gul'Dan reviving dead baby Thrall which made him green.
How the fuck is Thrall green in games?
>>341818260
Im talking in general, most of the people on /v/ and /tv/ shit on it just "for the memes" without even seeing it
>>341818478
Pretty sure just born that way due to fel magic corrupting orcs who didn't even drink the demon blood. Lack of Mannoroth was a bit weird, though.
>>341815695
You must have gotten your images mixed up OP. You posted the piece of shit that cursed his people and destroyed his home planet.
>>341818478
Dont remember anymore, they retconbed it thousand times
In truth, he was green cos Metzen fucked up, forgetting once again hes own storylines and timelones when he made the brown orcs retcon.
When theu saw that thrall being green doesnt work out on the time of the new retcon they had to make some shitty excuse, i think it was "being too much around fel cos of the other orcs made him green", but i might be wrong
>>341818808
Pre-MoP I would agree. MoP turned him to shit though.I say this having read Wolfheart with Garrosh's march through Ashenvale.
>>341815695
>>341818808
>post-wotlk characters
not-canon, who cares
>>341819038
>Garrosh
>Post Wrath
You stupid mother fucker.
>>341819038
>Garrosh
>Post wrath
Are you autistic or just retarded?
>>341819162
but he is.
he was just some shitty useless orc for some lore flavour on TBC, they went full retard with him(like the rest of the lore)in cata
>>341819162
>>341819306
I'm not that guy, but I think he's saying anything Garrosh did after Wrath "doesn't count" for some reason.
Just trying to advance humanity at any cost necessary.
![Stratholme-Arthas[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/Dlpzihv.jpg "Stratholme-Arthas[1].jpg")
>>341815695
Arthas culling Stratholme was a valid military strategy.
>>341819381
>Was major character in Nagrand Horde-side
>Literally the leader of the Warsong Expedition in Wrath
>Effectively led the Argent Tournament into being as big a competition as it was
>Proceeded to become Warchief and ACTUALLY DO SOMETHING FOR THE HORDE
It's like you prefer Thrall as Warchief, you idjut.
>>341819617
Purging Stratholme was fine, its what happened after/later that made him a villain
>>341819617
Did he ever actually tell Uther 'Hey it's the grain that did this' or did he gloss over that part?
>>341819617
No that was his second nail into becoming Lich king. The Final one was his suicidal venture to Northend on a mission for vengeance.
>>341819820
Which only happened because all of his friends and allies turned their back on him and decided to tattle to Terenas. If Jaina and Uther hadn't gotten pissy over him trying to prevent innocents from having to suffer as undead, the voices in his head wouldn't have affected him enough to go to Northrend.
>>341819916
Glossed over. A lazy cliche.
Question.
Khadgar usingFrom Darkness, Comes Light in the movie.What was that all about?
>>341817282
It wasn't really a bad movie, it was just unremarkable. Barely any humor to it too, I was waiting on pins and needles for a peon/peasant cameo to no avail.
>>341817282
Little better. I honestly thought it was just really boring, and found myself wishing it had all been done in CG instead of just the orcs.
>>341819612
He didn't seem like much of a villain to me. He gave you free shit, helped you end the invasion and kept you as a contingency in case more demons needed killing in the future - twice
He even tried to convince the actual villain not to be such a fucking retard when he suspected she was gonna go and start doing the devil's bidding
>>341820161
He fucking levelled up. I'm not even kidding, if you look closely at it it's the fucking level-up effect. I think there may have even been a ding.I thought that was hilarious
Why was Doomhammer part of the Frostwolves? Was it just so he could turn the Horde against them by being a dumbass?
>>341820468
We need a webm of this to analyze. Anyone that pirated it want to do so?
>>341820468
Yeah, butare they trying to say he lost his Mage levels and is now a Priest?
>>341817872
that feel when it's all the stupid retconned wow lore and not the original lore
>>341817282
I'm familiar enough with Warcraft lore to know names of places and understand some references like the Polymorph and the Murloc. But I barely knew any of the actual story.
Human casting and acting is almost enough to ruin the movie on its own, and Garona's character was wasted on the mandatory relationship quota these types of movies have, which also made Lothar more boring.
The other 60% of the movie was all fun and enjoyable though. I'm looking forward to seeing the Director's Cut, and I'll go see a sequel if they continue with one.
>>341821397
It's basically another one of the potential multiverses, just like WoD was - it's canon, but alternate universe/timeline canon.
>>341821506
I liked the not kiss Garona and Lothar had. It was the ultimate spaghetti moment.
>>341820791
Calling it now; It's so the big reveal when Thrall meets Orgrim to be that Orgrim can be more of a family figure, and he can tell Thrall more about his clan's past before handing him the Doomhammer.And Durotan's tusk.
>>341820882
Look closely at the sides. Best I can dofrom Tumblr.
>>341821506
If you thought GaronaXLothar was bad, the original storyling has GaronaXMedivh.
And their spawn is perhaps one of the stupidest characters ever written into World of Warcraft, more so than Warchief 'Metzen's OC' Thrall.
Not vidya but still /v/ related
>>341816759
Well, he fucked it up sure, but Ner'Zhul was the one who actually "Destroyed" it.
>>341821789
Clearly level up.Still wish he would have aged in that moment. He could have said something equally cheesy as From Darkness Comes Light like "From Life, Comes Death. From Death, Comes Life!" For the non-lore fans this would have made his journey to Kirin-Tor actually worth something for the context of the standalone movie.
>>341821789
Yeah that's clearly the levelup animation. Though whether it was used for show(out of laziness) or to actuall mean something is up for discussion.
Alternatively:
>Khadgar: OH SHIT I AINT GOT TIME TO LEVEL TO BEAT THIS BOSS! BETTER PREORDER LEGION AND USE MY FREE lv100 BOOST!
>>341822148
Him aging will likely happen early on in the next movie just before Stormwind gets sacked.
Maybe he even duels with Gul'dan and that's when it happens, and where Gul'dan goes comatose.
>>341822012
I'm aware of Garona/Medivh. But that has a lot more interesting implications because of his corruption and all that.
Isn't Lothar supposed to literally just be the badass pillar of justice and good, and not the brooding emotional sop they turned him into?
>>341815695
>gul'dan did nothing wrong
then explain how this road got made...
>>341822291
To be fair, he didn't turn into emo charlie until he watched Blackhand disembowel his son.
>>341818660
He stole the footy
>>341817282
It was better if you're the kind of "warcraft fan" who started with WoW.
>>341822291
I honestly have never played Orcs and Humans, I just know a bit of lore surrounding it and Tides of Darkness.
Like I know Grommash gets a bigger role in 2, Turalyon, Danath, and Alleria pop in, Deathwing almost gets knocked off, and the Humans actually get their shit in gear.
The worst part about the movie is it wasn't complete shit, but it wasn't really great either. It felt really lukewarm.
I do want to see a sequel though.
>>341822273
Or they might be lazy and just throw the aging in as something that happens in-between movies.
>>341822624
This. So much this.
I mean I liked it but it was nowhere near my favorite movie.Maybe of this year, but that's just me liking Warcraft stuff.
>>341822624
The way I see it, there's no way it doesn't get a sequel after how it did in foreign box offices.
>>341822624
Maybe I just don't understand movie critic reviews, but going on Rotten Tomatoes to try and see why it got such low critic scores is fucking infuriating. People trying to claim that it's riding the Orc trend, when the movie has been in development for the last fucking decade. People comparing it to LotR despite INCREDIBLY different story structures. One lady commends the director for having the "vision" to show us both sides of the conflict, instead of having the story be about humans good guys orcs bad guys. Like, I know they want to have spoiler free reviews, and there are plenty of reasons to rate this movie low, but the critic reviews are so AWFUL.
>>341815695
>>341820340
THIS DUDE IS THE FUCKING MONSTER!
Hell is minding its own business. After being invaded by xeno's and then humans then being murdered to extinction by humans their resources are being taken while they can do jack shit about it. Hell then finds a way to get into earth and eat this shit except the humans stole their anti christ and have awoken him.
The demons did nothing wrong in this game,
>>341822961
>still trusting critics in the days of reviews being paid product placement ads
>>341822838
It breaked all the fucking records on China(and Legendery is chinese studio on top of that), id did good in Europe and Russia and did meh in USA, but still made like 60 mills there on the first week iirc.And its going to be in the cinemas for like a month more.
Its almost guaranteed to have a second movie/start "cinematic universe"
>>341822349
someone had to find at least one use for the draenei
>>341823119
>Warcraft cinematic universe
Holy shit, they could make so much money off this if it picks up steam and people get into the story.
Shit, they could make an entire movie about Thrall's life just up to WoW, leaving the green Jesus and baby shit out I hope
>>341823095
I mean, if Blizzard doesn't have the money to shill some reviews, I dunno who does.
When the critic reviews are in the low 20s, and I struggle to find any with non-biased criticisms instead of things like the pacing and casting (both very valid criticisms), it's just saddening.
>>341822054
Guldan started it!
>>341816917
>FUCKING DOG EYES
>Joshua Graham
>Kessler/Cole
>NANOMACHINES
>The same list
It's so inaccurate that I'm actually finding accurate ways to link them. Get a feeling so complicated.
>>341821789
Ha, I didn't catch that.
>>341822961
>>341823095
I actually read a bit of a theory on
And this was during an apparent NDA two weeks before the movie released.
Whole thing goes around how Hollywood doesn't want Chinese film companies to cut in on what they have.
I actually think it's believable, in some ways.
>>341816917
>Skullface on that chart
>not the actual true hero of the Metal Gear saga
For shame.
>>341815695
Gul'dan did everything wrong.
He also gives no fucks. That's why he's so great. He's basically a shameless saturday morning cartoon villain who is so cartoonishly evil that even Blizz can't fuck his lore up by retconning him into being a misunderstood 'anti-hero'.
He was, is, and always will be a complete shitbag who sold out his entire race for personal gain and power.
Guys.
Warcraft 4 is never happening, and we can accept that.
But if this Warcraft trilogy picks up a lot of attention, do you think we could see a Warcraft reboot, with the first two Warcraft games in an updated RTS engine?
I would kill for that.
>>341823358
The entire cast was fucking awful except for Kaghar. Lothar looked like he was about to sneeze when he tried to be sobbing.
It's weird that the CGI Orcs were more real than the people.
>>341823541
Just the disparity between US scores and rest of the world makes me easily believe something like this could be happening.
>>341823679
Khadgar looked like fucking Wil Wheaton. I couldn't take him seriously because all I could see was goddamn Wesley Crusher. He's even technically the "Ensign Guardian" for most of the movie so that didn't help.
>>341818328
>good guy orc rallies orcs
>shows Gul'dan is a bad guy
>honorable death
>Gul'dan kills a grand total of three dudes
>orcs bend over and become his bitches again
Fucking stupid.
Dedede
>>341822054
Not in the movie. He was the only warlock in the movie and he destroyed Draenor
>>341823679
The CGI Orcs were probably the best part of the movie for me
>Swinging a battle axe the size of a person around like it's nothing and crushing a human being beneath it like a cardboard box
>Blackhand literally crushing some dude's fucking head in his hands
They felt like they had some serious weight to them, and they could actually show things hitting each other since it's all mocap and no human actors are getting whacked with swords and hammers. Whoever was in charge of how these guys looked was at the top of their fucking game here.
>>341816917
>orrested
He had a hard life, still he messed up and joined the demon lord despite knowing everything terrible that happened to him was orchestrated by him.
>>341823869
He was the better actor out of everyone though.
He just wanted to get laid
>>341824438
As flawed as it was with the examples that were shown months ago, it was a million times better than the Hobbit CGI.
>>341824438
In fact, they were so good and looked so powerful, that when they had to take shortcuts and have the human heroes just cut them down one after the other, it felt really cheap.
I feel like it wouldn't have been that hard to visually show that the Humans needed to work together in pairs or something to deal with orcs, with a couple standout solo kills by Lothar or something. But the barely on screen single cut kills are just boring.
>>341816636
I wonder how much Google is paying him... What does he even do there??
>>341823062
Yeah but the demons deserved that shit
Besides all the usual torture and murder of innocents and all that stuff that you'd expect from hell, they did corrupt and enslave at least one other civilization - the one that the wraiths come from
Fair's fair, they did it to someone else, they deserve it when it happens to them
>>341815695
He should have lived and we should have helped him to awaken the Warrior.You won't be forgotten, Hero.
>>341825167
>so chris, you have practice directing and controlling social forums?
uh, no, i didn't control anything
>what do you mean?
i just kind of participated
>did you steer their discussions from within?
no they call you a faggot if you do that
>how does a community change?
they make memes i guess
>>341825176
Basically the real hero throughout the Zelda series, when you think about it.
>>341823119
Legendary is located in California, it being owned by a Chinese conglomerate is irrelevant, it gets the same revenue percentage from China box office as any other American based company.
The movie didn't do paraticularly well, it's arguable whether it actually broke even.
A sequel is probable since it wasn't a complete flop and it serves as advertisement from the game, but it didn't do that well.
>>341826069
Or rather if you don't think about it at all.
>>341815695
>>341827436
>still no best boy
This place makes me sick.
>>341815695she isn't even a villain
>>341815695
Nah, this meme doesnt work fir Guldan, he was always a cunt
But pic related is unironically the dindu nothing wrong of warcraft
>>341816917
>Flowey
>did nothing wrong
>>341827706
Great, forgot muh pic
>>341816917
>Leland
enjoy world war 4 asshole
>>341824110
>dedede
>villain
>was the main antagonist in one game and 2 minigames
>>341815695
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>>341827706
>>341827875
THIS holy fuck
>spends his life fighting evil dark arcane shit while his buddies are just ducking around wantonly spreading life
>realizes that this shit is waking unspeakable ancient evils and destroys a planet to stop them
>everyone shits on him for doing what is important
>no one listens when he tries to warn them of the old gods
>they just tell him to fuck off
>he fucks off
>comes back with an army and dedicates himself to destroying everything else the other titans thoughtlessly did to prevent more old god fucker
>EVERYONE EVER shits on him even more and considers him the super big bad
People should go yell at C'thun or something, Sargeras is INNOCENT
>>341815695
The orcs in this movie honestly looked realer than real. Top notch CGI, it outdid even Blizzard's own cinematics.
>>341829804
> They then go on trying to kill planets without him.
This gets me every time.
I see what he is trying to do, but wiping out all life in all dimensions and timelines is pretty fucked up regardless.
>>341830208
The issue is though that if he doesn't, the old gods show up and they're going to do things a thousand times worse than just kill people.
Azeroth got lucky by having strong ass god killing warriors that can take down the physical incarnations of the old gods when they show up, but it's heavily implied they can't actually die and will just respawn, and Azeroth is ONE fucking planet
It really comes down to whether you would want to die or almost inevitably have even more unspeakable horrors inflicted on you.
Sargeras essentially mercy kills, and even then he does it for the good of the future universe.
>>341815695
I replayed WC1 recently. Its absurd the number of things they changed
>guldan who
>garona is full traitor
>medivh is just some random powerful asshole who never even talks to humans once the shit hits the fan
>>implying orcs have honor
>no light, just God
Fuck that 4 unit selection limit by the way
>>341822349
Too bad he didn't finish the job.
>>341830612
Oh yeah
>azeroth is a country
Just wanted a free Edenia
>>341816917
Why the fuck is Skullface on there?
>Gul'dan
>Nothing wrong.
I'm sorry, anon.
Gul'dan did EVERYTHING wrong.
He fucked everything around him with his power hunger.
We don't really know why he wanted so much power, he probably had a reason, but this is what makes him cool, no one knows.
hes the biggest asshole in warcraft, and this is why he is a good character.
>>341823670
they are already remixing/patching wc3, they announced a legacy team working on older blizzard games last blizzcon. Also there are some fan projects porting wc3 to sc2 engine, but they currently only have the multiplayer stuff working and not even every race.
>>341830878
yeah that "for azeroth" shit triggered me. Why didn't they just say "for the alliance" or "for stormwind" since they were all alone against the horde
>>341818568
It was a bad movie man sorry
>>341830878
>>341831575
Its still "a country", Azeroth is the name of the planet, the continent and the human kingdom
And now is the name of the baby titan too
>>341816917
>no ganondorf
Hot garbage
>>341835440
>Le evil for evil's sake
Yup, your opinion sure is garbage
>>341835557
>he never beat wind waker
How does it feel to have an objectively wrong opinion?
>>341817081
YOU FUCKER!!
>>341835847
He got beat by a 10yo kid with minimal sword training, pretty sure he did everything wrong
