Okay guys after watching Microsoft's E3 conference...can ANYBODY tell me why I should build a PC when the console equivalent graphics card already costs more than the new xbox?
It really makes you think...
>>341770913
You forgot 3.5gb
>>341770913
>Console equivalent graphics card
Now, where did you found that out ? Last I checked console equivalent was R9 270...
>>341770913
Does the console include the 400€ fullHD tv to play your 720p games?
>>341770913
>/v/
>thinking
>>341770913
a 970 will blow away the performance of the xbox one or the ps4
>>341770913
>implying you can't build a $300 pc which would btfo the current gen
>970
>Both PS4/Xbone out paced by the 750 ti
>>341772228
normal people with girlfriends already have a TV
Buy and, get an Rx 480 for 200 and have far better performance than xbox
>>341772871
but then you still need a motherboard and an i7 and shit
Can you use your xbox to stream a game while you play a videogame you paid 5$ on a steam sale and shitpost here at the same time? No, you can't, therefore it's automatically a waste of money.
>>341770913
>meme card
>console equivalent
heres your (You)
even /g/ is saying for years now to just buy a console at that price point
I built a PC in May and I have only had constant problems after problems. I went through like 3 bad hard drives before settling on an SSD/HDD combo. Even after installing the SSD/HDD I had blue screens, so I took apart my RAM and power cables, plugged it all back in and now it seems to be working.
It working fine now but im still pretty nervous. I used an Asus laptop for 4 years and never had any problems. I dont know, I thought I was good with technology but it has taken me a month to get everything working properly.
If you decide to build a pc, be wary of inevitable problems. Or just buy a prebuilt and call it a day.
>>341773026
Yes. XBone has built in Twicth/YouTube streaming, and you have snap that supports Edge.
>>341773026
With the exception of the $5 Steam game, yes you can.
>buying a 970 in this day and age
>>341772056
More like R7 260X for the Xbone. You're thinking of the PS4.
>>341772228
Does computer come with hdmi moniter?
>>341770913
consoles are a good deal for people who dont need a computer
>Nvidia
Hahahahhahahahahahaha
Fucking idiot.
>>341773475
What game is that?
A personal computer has a myriad of work and play utilities and is modular.
>>341773509
PS4 is not a 270x. It'd be a 260.5x. I have a 270x and still consistently hit 1080p 60fps on decent settings. A console with one API that can't even hit 1080p in Battllefield isn't near a 270x.
>>341773540
No, but the GPU on the computer with the 970 has ~2.5 times those teraflops™ you love so much compared to the Xbox you listed.
>>341770913
Cheaper games, modular hardware, piracy. Thread over we can all go home.
>>341773824
I believe the R7 265 is supposed to be the PS4 equivalent, but no one knows what the fuck that is. I was considering getting one, but opted for meme 750ti instead.
>>341770913
>comparing prices now when the console comes out at the end of 2017
Truly great logic.
>>341773248
there are no inevitable problems, unless you're a fucking idiot. I've had a pc now for 4 years, not a single problem with it.
People assume it's "Oh, this part looks cool. It'll work fine with whatever i buy."
"Oh, this controller looks cool. I'm sure it'll work with my N64." Fucking incredible.
>>341773005
>i7
>for gaymen
WEW
The ironic thing is is even if a console was cheaper, which it isn't. All it picking it would mean is that you are not enthuistic enough about games to drop a few hundred more $ to get a better experience. Something only a casual would do.
>>341774128
The scorpio, AKA the PC killer comes out in 2017, the S comes out in August.
>>341770913
Because the Xbone is just a game box.
>>341770913
In the modern day, you should really already have all that stuff it says the card doesn't come with.
>>341770913
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814150753
>>341772475
>Implying a $300 build doesn't have a shitty resale value
>Implying a $300 build has a wide upgrade path
>Implying a $300 can brute force console ports that would released in 2017.
Stop suggesting $300 builds, they are not worth the time and money much like consoles.
>>341772345
Yeah but what games are needed for that graphics card? Nothing.
There's no point in owning that graphics card or a PC if the newest games are released on console. PC is good for emulating and free movies.
And mods are bitch to install.
Because the computer will last you 12 years while the xbox only 4.
Also who the fuck spends over $150 for a graphics card??
>>341775974
>mods are a bitch to install
Noob. Kill yourself casual
>>341774603
>PC killer
>Releasing in a year and a half
>Weaker GPU than the most recent PC GPUs that are already released
It's another shitbox outdated right out the door.
>>341775974
>There's no point in owning that graphics card or a PC if the newest games are released on console.
Some of us don't enjoy playing every game at a silky smooth 26 fps
there's no reason to build a pc
>>341770913
I could get an xbone but what if I actually wanted to play games?
>>341776398
The Scorpio is more powerful than the most used graphics card on Steam, the GTX 970.
>>341776601
Yes there is.
PC has everything from xbone
Then PS4/Vita/3DS ports
Then PC games
It is the true gaming platform
>>341776913
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Xbox_One_games
>>341770913
Because you can do a lot more with a PC than a console.
>>341776923
The GTX 970 will also be three years old by the time Scorpio comes out
>>341777062
>less than 1% are exclusives
>>341774603
By the time this "PC killer" hits the marker, there will be price cuts and new tech, so even if it gains a slight price/performance advantage over comparable PCs, it will only be for a couple of months at best - and that's if MS takes enough of a loss on each unit - and it still won't have all the other major PC benefits (upgradability, mod support for more than 2 games and better support within them, multitasking, ultrawide and multimonitor, free online, massive library including the most backwards compatibility of any system, support for just about any controller style you can think of, ability to balance graphical fidelity/framerate/resolution/effects to the user's preference, etc.)
>>341776923
>citation needed
>>341770913
ppl play PC because they don't want to be boxed in by whatever console they buy. PC has a larger library with better backwards compatibility, along with more options for personalization.
>>341772702
You can plug your computer to your TV for equal results.
>>341773123
>meme meme
>meme equivalent
here's your meme
>>341777376
>Imfuckingplying.tiff
There (You) go.
>>341777135
this
by the time "6 Teraflops Scorpio" coming out in Dec.2017 we probably even get to RX 5XX and GTX 11XX Lineups and have under 200$ Cards with more "Highend-Power" ...
A PC is not just a dedicated video game box.
If all you want to do is play retail-priced video games with a gamepad and you have no need for any of the other functions a PC or laptop has, then of course you should just get a console.
I can't imagine that people who visit this place wouldn't want a personal computer, but it takes all kinds.
>>341773697
everyone knows AMD cards use more power and run hotter.
>Xboners can't tell that the Xbox S and the Scorpio are 2 different things
Why are consolefags so stupid?
>>341777743
We live in an age where "computer illiterates" are allowed to breed.
>>341775974
Are you new?
>>341777770
I think it is you that can't tell the difference, why else would you be false-flagging?
>>341777777
>>341777930
You don't even know what false-flagging is newfag.
>>341777743
most people own a computer but that's not necessarily for playing video games
"gaming" PCs are very expensive compared to consoles
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g0yir6c5Qf0
Basically, if you think a console is a cheaper alternative to PC, you're just really lazy.
>>341777990
Pretending to be or know something that you're not/ don't.
You have no proof that any "consolefag" was confused between the S and the Scorpio. Your reply wasn't really aimed at anyone either, that's how I know you're trolling.
>>341776913
cucked question mm
>>341773757
mirrors edge???
>>341778161
>The $400 PC meme
This needs to stop.
>>341778246
>or know
Congrats, you legitimately don't know what false-flagging is.
As expected of an obvious newfag.
>>341778062
But most people aren't going to own two PCs.
The cost of a non-gaming PC + a console is probably pretty close to just getting a gaming PC, especially with how cheap good video cards are nowadays. All the shit mentioned in >>341770913 is also necessary for that non-gaming PC that most people are going to buy anyway.
>>341770913
Wow really makes you think huh......
>>341778161
>Even blacks are less retarded than consolefags
Kek.
>>341778364
>HURRRRRRRRR DURRRRRRRR I ALMOST DINDU HAVE AN ARGUMENT FOR THE CONTEXT YOU GAVE BUT THEN I SAW THAT YOUR A NEWFAG SO I WIN A PRIORI HURRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR
>>341770913
left is for normies
right is for ascended aryans.
>>341778534
Look at this newfag getting mad that he's a retard.
It's okay newfag, I don't mind.
>>341778560
uhh
highly questionable
>>341778534
Keep digging that hole
>>341770913
>Xbone
>equivalent to a 970
>>341778661
I'll dig my hole,you build a wall
>>341778352
No, what needs to stop is everybody being lazy. It's not ideal, but it is possible to build a cheap PC. If you want something that shits out better performance than a current gen console, you'll obviously be spending a bit more. If you're really assed about the quality of all the hardware and want them all new then its your wallet's funeral.
>>341778509
They strive on budgets. Give a nigga $20 and he'll come out of a Dollar General with a shopping cart of shit. Their only weakness is the nearby Foot Locker or any place that sells Nike/Jordans.
one thing I never understand is when people say you can just get a pc for less than a console while yes thats is true. why would I gimp a pc when the reason people have them is to get the best graphics frames mods etc.. you can't do most of that on cheap PC's you need at least 600+
>>341778650
You know the long reverberated "ULTRAAA" at the end of a KI match? Well, that's you saying that, but instead of saying "ULTRAAA", you're saying "HURR DURR".
That's how retarded you've become.
You can't make memes with an xbone.
8th gen i more equivalent to on board intel graphics than a 970.
/g/ here. You don't need to spend that much money to play pc games.
Build related can play most games in medium-high 720p settings (same as xbox one):
http://pcpartpicker.com/list/7ZrMpb
In addition you can toss in a dedicated graphics card like the R9 360 ($100), crossfire it with the integrated graphics on the GPU and overall get about twice the graphics performance of an xbox one.
>>341778756
>>341778915
still plays DOOM at 60fps
try that on intel graphics
>>341773248
Seems more like the problem was you and not the PC itself.
But what crap HDDs were you buying that crapped out that quickly?
>>341778915
It's been scientifically proven that the Microsoft Xbox One Console is equipoise to the Nvidia Geforce 700 Series GTX 750 Titanium Graphics Card, whereas the PlayStation 4 Entertainment System is equitable to the Advanced Micro Devices Radeon 7 200 Series R7 265 Effects Chip.
>>341779080
60 FPS with drops and a dynamic resolution that averages around 1472x828 on medium-low settings.
>>341779080
>>341779274
Yes so intel onboard.
My FE 1080 with an EK water block. Shit is so cash
>>341779424
You're mad that it's not PC.
>>341779121
Not him but he most likely bought Seagate
It's also possible he bought a shitter PSU and it fried his HDDs
Remember kids, DON'T SKIMP ON THE PSU YOU FUCKING RETARDS
>>341779538
What the hell are you talking about?
>>341772702
Yep, just enough to watch amazing entertainment of today like Jersey Shore.
>>341779441
>>341779538
I don't know which one of you is more retarded
It's funny how ignorant some of the PC ONLY aka "Mustard race" really are when it comes to tech.
Maybe you guys can learn a few things from Carmack but maybe not go look up his comments on the whole pc/console/mobile techwar shitshow
>>341779636
Stop being insane.
>>341778741
this 1000 times this.
I built my PC in 2009 and only upgraded once since then with a total cost of roughly $1600. Im still playing games on medium-high graphics at 1080p. I probably didnt even need to spend that much but I use my PC for everything including work. Comparing a console to a PC is a joke, your bait worked on me OP but I still had to tell you your wrong.
>>341770913
gaming machines eat games to live
Microsoft /sony/Nintendo chow costs a lot more than the gaben/torrent brand
>>341779751
The fuck is this nigger talking about?
>>341779720
Good, cuz I no
>>341779424
No drops in frames
It does adjust the resolution but still great performance
>>341779859
kysyfr
>>341779791
Get cock out your ass.
>>341770913
because if you don't buy a PC how will you see the cells inside the sperm that's coming towards you? MUH MUH MUH MUH MUH MUH only redeeming qualities are my graphics. which are sub par at best!!!11
>>341779578
Seagate only had an issue with the first run of 3tb drives. Now that are gone from inventory they are safe to buy.
With that said I always go with WD Reds, I run my games from SSDs.
I look forward to when mobos come with 10gb nic and the kit is affordable. That's when i'll build a home NAS
>>341779940
>No drops in frames
Come on m8, you can't be this delusional.
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2016-doom-face-off
>On Xbox One, performance isn't quite as robust but it still manages to feel great. During many of the larger battles, frame-rates tumble into the mid-50s with some dips all the way down into the 40s.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GhhsmcoYybc
>>341770913
Sometimes I wonder when I'm gonna snap and post awful fetish porn and derail the thread. Then I remember you people shit out these threads every five minutes so I don't bother.
>>341775974
>mods are bitch to install.
Your opinions about anything related to pcs are invalid
>>341780117
anon pls the game runs at 60 fps at ~90% of the gameplay shown
that's amazing performance for the xo hardware compare that to pc hardware
I built my pc 6 months before this gens consoles came out, £450, and it out performs them. Between steam sales and pirating and the fact its a fucking computer and not just a games console, I think I made the better choice.
>>341780636
>anon pls the game runs at 60 fps at ~90% of the gameplay shown
Right, while dropping down to sub-900p.
It'd be great if the game ran at 1080p, but when you have to drop down to resolutions that are dangerously close to 720p, that's not all that impressive.
>>341770913
The xbone slim is equivalent to a 570, not a 970.
The scorpio xbone will be the 970 equivalent.
>>341770913
Even if your image was accurate (which it isn't) an Xbone can play Xbone games after you buy them whereas a PC can play almost every video game in existence for free as well as doing everything else an Xbone can do as well as a whole bunch of other stuff better and for free.
It's the perfect example of giving a man a fish compared to teaching him how to catch fish. Of course you know all about that.
>>341770913
OP are you retarded?
You realize you're not paying for a gaming device with that PC, you're paying for a fucking PC, you know what that can do?
A LOT more than just playing video games at their max potential.
If your absolute only use for a PC is for video games and shit posting, then yes, get a fucking console you idiot. But a PC and a console does not compare when playing video games is just one small feature, its what you use to literally create the damn games you'd play on any device.
>>341780847
>The xbone slim is equivalent to a 570
If only.
At this rate the Xbone would be lucky to be on par with a 560 Ti.
>>341773773
"Why should I build a PC instead of getting a console"
"PC HAS SPREADSHEET SOFTWARE CAN YOUR CONSOLE MAKE SPREADSHEETS?"
>>341779032
>430W
Is that enough? I thought you should never go below 500W.
>>341781095
Can it?
>>341775974
there are plenty of points. To play in 4k, to buy games dirt cheap, to not have to pay a subscription, for superior customization/multiplayer options
and of course for mods. Just because the average Xbot has the brain size of a peanut doesn't mean PC users do.
>>341780019
OP you don't need to bump your thread. Just let it die.
>PC Hardware
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yl2v0socpZY
>MUH 750ti totally reks your XB1/PS4 MATE WUT
please stop
>>341781095
Fat PS3 running Linux could
You can buy a graphics card that actually outperforms the Xbone for about 120~150 usd.
>>341781130
yup, APU only draws like ~50W while you play vydia and even if you stressed the CPU and GPU to 100% then the APU would still only draw like ~100W. So 430W is pretty dam safe. 430W is good because that means you can add a dedicated graphics card like the R7 360 which only draws up to 100W I think. In fact many R9 GPUs + the A8 APU would be fine with a 430W PSU.
>>341781520
>1080p
>XB1 runs at a dynamic res on medium settings and performs about the same as the 750 Ti does here
Kek.
>>341770913
>70$ for a game on xbone vs 0$ for a game on pc
:^)
>>341775974
lol fag
>>341772702
>people with girlfriends
>have a TV
Pick one otherwise you have a whale in your living room.
>>341778062
>"gaming" PCs are very expensive compared to consoles
You can actually make a gaming PC that outperforms PS4/Xbone for about 500 brave money.
No idea if you're baiting or not very well informed but it's actually really cheap to make a "gaming" PC now.
Keep in mind you don't *need* to max every setting in every game
This is Overwatch at lowest settings it's not beautiful but it's far from horrid.
>>341772702
normal people also already have a computer as well.
How's the GTX 960? It plays most games, right?
>>341781520
Meanwhile...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3k2lu3HFaQA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wMX2ZuzIqJc&index=9&list=PLY9cZ8nX4xmmJAMvagyNHVGMHE-dLc3NM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6IdofKeEsuE&index=14&list=PLY9cZ8nX4xmmJAMvagyNHVGMHE-dLc3NM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TZsITS8_JAY&index=19&list=PLY9cZ8nX4xmmJAMvagyNHVGMHE-dLc3NM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9nlMJ7Ysdzk&index=50&list=PLY9cZ8nX4xmmJAMvagyNHVGMHE-dLc3NM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pi83biaquVE&index=55&list=PLY9cZ8nX4xmmJAMvagyNHVGMHE-dLc3NM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CJCLEym3kfI
>>341782346
Not for long. Denuvo is still uncrackable
>>341770913
>have to pay for online
>cant pirate shit
>games are more expensive
>cant upgrade later and have to shell out another 300-500$
>costs more in the end
>>341775974
Yeah because planning for the future isn't a thing
I got a 1070
For the next 1 to 2 years people will be releasing the games keeping in mind that people should be able to run them in high/ultra in 4k
So I on 1070 in 1080p will be able to play that games on ultra/very high for the next like 2-3 years
Consoles are going to be replaced soon, the ps4.5 and "scorpio" or however its called(They say they won't neglect the original ones but we all know how it will end) while I will still be able to play all the newest games without a problem.
Also all the things that I can do with PC and can't with console (like just using net, not like console can't do it but its a pain in the ass)
Also WAAAAY cheaper games, I got the newest mirrors edge for 40 Euro, on console it would be 60 for the next like half year
ALSO I don't have to pay extra to play the game I BOUGHT in multiplayer
This is the most retarded thing
Even in games with no dedicated servers you for some fucking reason need to pay them to play it...
>>341779578
He probably bought WD given current failure rates.
That 970 costs about the same as a 390x, What's the point of its existence?
>>341770913
you put the graphics card in your work computer
i mean you do have a real job, right?
For the millionth time, the Xbone S IS NOT project scorpio.
Scorpio will be an add on box for Xbone and I'll cost $200 easy.
>>341781520
HOLY SHIT 45fps while overclocked. Even xbox one is doing better than that.
Jesus fuck PC gaming is horrible.
How can you justify this?
>>341781520
Did you even watch the video? The guy even says it wasn't the card that was struggling, it was the processor being bottlenecked.
>>341770913
Consoles are for stupid people
>>341782958
Are you rocking a 560?
>>341770913
CAN YOU FAGGOTS FINALLY UNDERSTAND WHAT PHIL SAID DURING THE CONFERENCE?
THE IMAGE ON THE LEFT SHOWS THE XBOX S
WHICH IS JUST A SMALLER XBOX ONE = LOW POWERED AMD 7870
XBOX SCORPIO WILL NOT COST 300 $. LIKELY CLOSER TO 600 $.
READING COMPREHENSION FUCKERS
And yes, I am indeed mad.
>>341786975
No, I just set everything to the lowest setting out of curiosity.
I personally play 1080 on Ultra settings.
SONY GOT BTFO
>Nintendo REKS Sony with 1 game
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>>341785185
This card is not meant to be sold but to justify the cost of the GTX 1070.
Everyone needs some type of PC for work and having a $600 PC is a better than having a $300 PC + $300 console for gaming.
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>no one is even saging
This is why we need the email field back, so that the newfriends can learn.
>>341770913
lemme know when I can run zbrush and photoshop on a console.
Until then, simply buying a video care gives my already perfect fine and running PC more power than a ps4 and xbone combined.
>buy a pc
>do anything you want on it
>play 25 years of games
>mod games all to fuck
>mods that make old games look drastically better
>genres of games exist on PC that don't on consoles
>emulate console games from 1986->2004 easily
>make your own games
>super easy to connect HDTV to computer
I mean... is their really a choice here?
