>B-B-But twilight princess's beginning is so long!!!
windwaker fans will unironically defend this
>Ruining the exposition
I bet you tried to sneak down and open your presents on Christmas Eve too.
>>341707262
why are TP fans so butt hurt over WW?
Not muh realism? graphic whoring? color blind? or just hate adventure?
>>341709924
they want loz to be a mature series for mature gamers such as themselves.
>>341707262
here's your (you)
The problem is TP has a shitty 3 hour long opening tutorial AND THEN repeatedly forces you to do the tedious tutorial-like wolf portions another 10 times. Imagine if every hour or so for the first 10 hours of WW you had to go find the Red Dragon's sail again by doing some monotonous task.
>>341710137
since when has nintendo ever been for mature people? Sure they had some mature games, but it's core has always been family friendly and ever changing. Fags like op want things to look like the devoloper jizzed all over it like a glazed donut and call it shiny and edgy.
>>341710570
see, TP fans cant handle the thought of others thinking theyre kids for playing nintendo games. yes, their self-esteem is in fact that low.
>>341707262
Correct, that is bad
It's still a good game
Every Zelda game has flaws, maybe even big ones, but most of them are at least past the 6/10 mark, which is the minimum of what I call good.none of them hit 10/10.
>>341707262
>Muh open world
What the fuck is wrong with you people? Is turning Zelda into Skyrim really what idiots wanted from this shit series all this time?
Even LoZ had some railroading unless you wanted Lynnels to make you their prison bitch.
>>341710384
This motherfucker gets it.
Twilight Princess placed periods of monotony EVERYWHERE. Wind Waker's Triforce hunt was horseshit, but it was horseshit all relegated to one pile. The whole game experience flows very well until that point.
>>341710384
I've played through TP twice, and never found any part of it tedious.
>>341711094
How old were you the first time you played TP?
>>341710384
>>341711027
Pretty much. Wind Waker is disjointed and paces awkwardly, but TP is a bloated, even simpler mess.
>>341711020
have you ever played the first zelda? It's like that but with more, why does that threaten you so much?
>>341710384
10 hours? now I know you are full of shit.
>>341710859
What was wrong with ALTTP?
Bonus mode: Don't cite anything retroactive like it being 2D.
>>341707262
>Consider trying to play TP again
>Remember I would have to play that fucking beginning village for the 10th time.
Ugh. Maybe I could download a save file for Dolphin or something. It's the first Zelda game I never finished or even got far into.
>>341711521
Never finished it. I can't think of anything notably wrong, but at the same time nothing really popped for me. It's like Super Mario World where the game is is just extremely solid, not exactly a spectacle. The difference being I have an intense nostalgia boner for SMW and not Alttp
>>341711668
you are not missing much, WW did such a good job with the ending. The music as well was just perfect for its game, I don't expect any game to try what WW did because of the specific sailing motif. I guess I'm just a man of the sea if that type of music can make me yearn for adventure.
>>341711521
I think it's useless to compare the 2d games with the 3d. LttP was a great game, it was like the first zelda for the 90s kids. It was easier than the first zelda, but it had so much more added to as well.
>TP and WW fags always flinging shit at each other
>meanwhile the OoT/MM Master Race is laughing and enjoying the show from our VIP booths
>>341712506
I never got their rivalry
If it's seriously just the art style then this is just hilarious
>>341712727
It's usually TP FAGS starting shit over the art work.
They get pissed when ever it's talked about, or when a new game with cell shading similar to WW style. Literally it's over the fact it doesn't look grim dark.
>>341707262
>Implying if you like WW you must dislike TP
Let go
>>341713103
Zelda swaps art style daily, the only exceptions seem to be in direct sequels or Skyward Sword/Breath of the Wildwait a minute
>>341712180
I know but I want to like it.
I find parts of it aesthetically pleasing. I just don't have it in me to play for more than a few hours though.
is spirit tracks any good?
>>341713471
God no.
>>341713471
better than hourglass
better when you use the romhack that fixes the controls
short answer: no
>>341712727
They're both Aonuma directed 3D Zelda games
>>341707262
Difference is that wind waker is actually a joy to play even when it still has training wheels on.
even Windwaker was better than Skyward Sword
mfw when TLOZ is dead
>>341713629
So are OoT and Majora
So is Skyward Sword
I hate that I have to hold A to keep sidling.
>>341712506
My only complaint with OoT is how many times they tell you the story of the three Goddesses.
I get it, they created Hyrule and left the Triforce where they departed.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=POfJokA0fLc
>>341709924
Shit overworld, shit concept, shit dungeons, shit characters, shit artstyle.
>>341711521
Not the same guy, but ALttP never clicked. I've gotten up to the Dark World, then just stopped. I did enjoy ALBW, and beat it.
>>341713806
>the Powerpuff girls are the same colors as the goddesses
>just swap Din and Farore's colors
heh
>>341713328
>>341713328
case and point>>341713845
>>341713103
The artwork is not the problem with WW
It's the shit combat (Press A to win)
Low amount of dungeons
Annoying escort missions
Slow boat
Barren Overworld
Low Enemy variety (Chuchus and Bokoblins everywhere)
>>341713958
>Wisdom
>Power
>Couage
>These were the ingredients to make the perfect little goddess
>But Pro. Miyamoto accidently added and extra ingredient to the concoction!
>Chemical 64
>Thus the Tirforce Goddess were born!
TP doesn't get fun even after you get past the long boring intro.
Twilight Princess was so dark
Windwaker on the other hand much more colorfull and art style was much better
>>341714303
>It's the shit combat (Press A to win)
>Low amount of dungeons
>Annoying escort missions
>Slow boat
>Barren Overworld
>Low Enemy variety (Chuchus and >Bokoblins everywhere)
Minus the boat and dungeons, you perfectly described Twilight Princess.
Guys, please, Wind Waker and Twilight Princess are both great. Can't we all just band together and agree thatMajora's Mask sucks?
>>341715005
MM was fun too, had a lot of content for such a short game.
>>341714858
>Low Enemy variety (Chuchus and >Bokoblins everywhere)
Twilight Princess had great enemy variety. There was a whole ice dungeon full of unique enemies and the only dungeon made of "recycled" ones is maybe seeing those Snake guys who hide under tiles in the Sky Dungeon.
>>341715005
Let's be real people... it was shit
>>341714858
>TP
>shit combat
I will say the escort mission of TP was way worse than the escort missions in Wind Waker, though.
>>341715005
You were so close to right, all you needed to say wasSkyward Sword sucks.
>Atlus said they'd give out Morgana hats at 3:30pm at their booth at e3
>go there at 2:30pm, what I assumed was super early
>only a sign with "sorry no more hat"
at least i got a bag
>>341715102
They had goblins and spiders and the regular shit, nothing different compared to WW.
At least we have Toon Link thanks to WW
>>341715154
Skyward Sword and Majora's Mask are actually pretty similar honestly, for better or worse.
>>341707262
Not a big Zelda fan but TP was one of the most boring experiences I've had in gaming. WW was one of the best.
>>341715154
TP's combat was shit, you only needed to flip over spiders, that's it. It was the same idea with windwaker going around knights and cutting their armor off. really there was no difference.
>>341713328
>toon/cellshaded and edgy grimdark are the only two possible artstyles
>>341712506
MM is shit dumbass.
>>341715318
How?
>>341715396
TP Dark Nuts are a better fight than anything in Wind Waker, and all of the parry moves have been made into manual actions instead of reaction commands.
>>341715486
Now when the fuck did I imply that?
is it longer than Okami's opening?
>>341715396
>TP combat was shit
Premium bait
>>341715618
they were tedious and stupid, just toss the reckingball at them and you are set.
>>341707262
How is the HD version of TP?
>inb4 dolphinfaggots
>>341715798
>just toss the wreckingball at them and you are set
You never actually played TP did you?
>>341715618
They both have a shitty, tiny, barren hubs for their overworlds, they both only really have one central town in which the majority of the side quests take place, they both trade strong dungeons for story-driven pre-dungeon overworld segments, and they both have absolutely heinous, mandatory, aquatic collectathon segments.
>>341715618
Darknuts in Wind Waker at least used some other moves that you learned at the beginning to take down. TP made all the combat moves optional so they had to account for enemies being beatable if the player was a complete dipshit and missed all the lessons from the old link skeleton. Don't get me wrong, I'm not a WW fag or TP fag, I'm a classic OOT/LTTPfag, but TP combat is pretty mindless
>>341715928
yeah I have just forgot most of it because it was such pain in the ass. But I finished it, went to rely of Twilight of my sword nice and Shiney, fought Zant with the whole tossing energy balls back and forth, then fought possessed princess then bore Gannon then horse back Ganon then Ganon on the ground. I was glad it was over.
One thing I will give tp is that it took ww combat and made it better, getting rid of the reaction commands and making them manual made combat a lot more fun
>Replaying Twilight Princess
>Having a fucking blast since it was alot more fun than i remember
>Remember the poe hunting
>Remember my old save where i had a single poe left that was impossible to find
JUST GIVE ME A RADAR OR SOMETHING OR BETTER YET A QUICK WAY TO CHANGE DAY TO NIGHT SO I DONT HAVE TO SIT MY ASS ON THE FIELD FOR 10 MINUTES GOD
>>341716136
This post is word soup.
>>341715880
Barely looks different, it's all texture updates and it's obvious the polygons are the same.
Shortens tears of light quests.
Ups size of every wallet tier.
I think I got everything
Best version of the game, but it doesn't have terribly much over the Gamecube version
>>341716110
I don't think TP combat is perfect or even that deep, but compared to Wind Waker it's better than repeatedly using action commands.
>>341716110
They're pretty useful when fighting three Darknuts at once.
>>341712506
>OoT/MM Master Race is laughing and enjoying the show from our VIP booths
OoT/MM fans do the same shit
>>341715618
>Get the quick draw
>Welcome to the snooze cruise
>>341716214
drink it up anon, drink it!
>>341707262
That "you can't progress this way" always pissed me off, it's up there with the reach the edge of the map, and the King going "IT'S TOO DANGEROUS TO KEEP GOING THAT FAR OUT"
Bitch, I just hit puberty, lept off a cliff to attack a giant bird, and you've instructed me to go and get all the parts to get a magic god relic saying how BRAVE I am to fight a guy who is so fucking evil and powerful that when confronted with it the gods themselves said FUCK THIS SHIT and nuked everything. Don't give me that "TOO DANGEROUS" bullshit.
>>341716085
MM had more towns than SS, as in one more, in Great Bay and there were a few sidequests there, it's not much but at least it's something.
Pre Dungeon overworld segments aren't necessarily a bad thing, and the shitty fucking collectathon in Great Bay is somewhat better with a pretty neat stealth section right before it.
Most 3D Zelda overworlds are fucking barren, Hyrule Field (OOT and TP) had absolutely nothing in it, and were a chore to get through, at least Termina Field was short.
So how far into the game can you free-sail without this BS anyways?
>>341716292
Mortal Draw is pretty ineffective on a lot of the high tier enemies
King Bulbin takes a million of them and I want to see footage of someone using mortal draw to take out the triple dark nuts
>>341716413
Pretty much as soon as you get the sail, there are only limiters on the edges of the map, and some islands where you just can't get there for logical reasons.
>>341716413
I think you have to wait until after you complete the Tower of the Gods?
>>341716413
Outset -> Fortress -> Windfall -> Dragon Roost -> Forest Haven -> freedom
>>341716429
It's cool to watch, even if it's completely stupid. Iai with a fucking broadsword slung on your fucking back? Are you shitting me?
But it's still cool.
>>341716235
so for someone who never played TP, I'd be good as long as it isn't worse than the GQ/Wii version?
>>341716364
>Great Bay
Aforementioned pre-dungeon areas.
>Most 3D Zelda overworlds are fucking barren,
Yes, but all of the others actually feel like real areas, not cardboard dioramas.
>>341716237
I agree with you, I just think that they should have made learning them a necessary thing. Instead of finding wolves or whatever throughout the world, have them be taught when you pick up the master sword or something. That way you can at least force the player to use what they've learned.
>>341716235
I'm not a fan of action commands either they might as well be QTEs but I just wish they made parries and rolls and stuff a universal thing. Not trying to say every game should have souls combat because I know some idiot will respond and say that, just wish they made it less about waiting for a prompt to come up.
>>341716461
wait I'm retarded this is wrong
>>341716523
this is right, and takes all of like 3 hours
>>341716204
The Wii U version have a poe radar thingy, if I remember correctly
Why can't we all just get along? Is it really that hard to like both WW and TP?
>>341716110
Wind Waker nuts were not fun to fight, Mostly because it was just wait wait wait, Use the counter and get rid of their armor, As soon as the armor was gone they weren't a threat anymore.
Meanwhile its not a simple counter when it comes to the TP darknuts, Its actual dodging and weaving to find the right moment to strike, And even once they lose their armor they whip out a second fucking sword and DOUBLE in speed and become almost twice as lethal.
They were such a big deal that your first encounter with them is a mini boss.
>>341716413
As soon a the eternal storm starts I believe (Though it's preferable to wait until Jabun because you can't do shit at night)
>>341716601
Cool, I was thinking of getting the special edition anywho since wolf amiibo has more than one use now.
>>341712506
At least we can all agree that Link's Awakening fags are the worst
>>341716523
Immediately after posting that it hit me that Wind Waker technically has a longer period of waiting for freedom than TP does, making you do three whole dungeons first.
>>341716567
TP is the only Zelda remake I have never seen anyone bitch about being worse than the original game, so yes it's a solid way to play it for the first time.
>>341716602
WW and TP are my absolute favorites.
>>341716602
I like both of them
the only bad console Zelda is Skyward Sword, so-far.CDi doesn't count
SS had the most mind numbing tutorial in any zelda game holy shit
Zelda was cute as fuck but the fucking tutorial
>>341716571
in what way? there isn't anything to explore, there's nothing interesting to look at, it's just fucking massive for the sake of being massive. the only thing making those areas interesting to walk through is the music, and after you get your teleport songs, you have no reason to even walk through it again.
>>341716678
>Less combat, more puzzles due to GB limitations
>Linear progression due to GB limitations
>smaller, easier design due to GB limitations
>BUT MUH CHARMING AND WACKY NPCS
>we've been stuck in the Zelda rut we've been in for over two decades because a fucking Gameboy game had THAT much influence on where the franchise headed
>>341716678
Don't you mean aLttP? LA is a common favorite for 2D games, but LA fans are never belligerent.
>>341716706
okay thanks!
Will we ever get another Majora's Mask? I mean, it doesn't have to be a remake or something, just a Zelda that's just really different from other games in the series. Because Majora's Mask was really different. Reliving the same days over and over? Time actually mattering? Interesting NPCs? It was so unique, so different, even compared to other games at the time, it set itself apart from the crowd.
>>341716818
Because they have believable geography and aren't truncated like a 3D platformer world.
>>341717013
>Because Majora's Mask was really different
Literally an OoT mod.
>>341716712
Same, these two tie with LttP as best Zelda for me
>>341707262
at least this game is comfy.
>>341716953
No problem
Gamecube zeldas are pretty polarizing so don't be surprised if it turns out to not be for you. Usually it's the art style that makes people decide which one they like so if you're willing to try TP and give it a fair chance you'll probably like it.
>>341716110
Every Zelda combat has issues.
OoT/MM was a solid first step but still pretty dated by now.
WW was just a polished OoT with counter thrown into everything
TP could've actually been really good with all the techniques IF they were actually necessary, unfortunately the game is piss easy and designed around you never using them.
SS is of course the gimmicky motion shit.
Hopefully BotW is more interesting.
I never got around to really playing Twilight Princess when it came out, not sure why because I owned the gameon the Gamecube.I loved Wind Waker, and I just bought both HD Wii U versions to get hype for 2016.
My question is, which do I play first? Nostalgia or the new experience?
>>341716608
A darknut was also first seen as a mini boss in WW, wasn't it? At the tower of the gods, I believe before the bow is unlocked. Even then, neither of the games have great combat. My intention wasnt really to say WW has better combat because it's pretty garbage by itself because
>action commands
But TP was just mindless. None of the enemies besides the speaker dreadlock things from the Twilight realm ever required you to think or use advanced mechanics. You could probably mash/waggle or shoot every single mob in the game without much issue I'd imagine
>>341717258
Yeah, that's what I probably should have prefaced with. Honestly, arguing which game is better because of combat is kind of redundant, the combat has never been anything beyond simple and easy. Each game in the series has its merits that are worth arguing over. I like Twilight princess because it's got some of the best dungeons in the series, I like Wind Waker because of the music and lighthearted adventure it is, I like MM because the side quests, I like LTTP for the exploration, etc etc. Don't want to list them all. Also fuck skyward sword
>>341711668
Yes holy fuck. A friend got me TPHD and going through the beginning was agonizing,
>>341713728
Pretty sure OoT was Shiggy.
>>341717209
>if you're willing to try TP
Ordered it just now and what I remember from playing it at a friends house on the GQ, it was good. So I'm pretty sure I'll like it.
Thanks again
Watch out guys, best zelda game coming through.
>>341720068
I think you mean this.
>>341714001
It's case IN point, dunkus.
>>341717362
Hit yourself in the head with a hammer until you forget Wind Waker, then experience it for the first time again. It's a magical experience.
>>341715318
They definitively are not.
I like both Wind Waker and Twilight Princess.
>>341707262
The have to establish that Link is an ordinary boy before he goes out on his adventure
>b-but i have adhd and it boring!! :((((((
Oh boy
wind waker is the most interesting when it's semi on rails. it's actually boring when it lets you travel around only to find a bunch of emptiness
>>341720392
Goddammit, that ending... my feels... fuck you THIEF
>>341716601
Fucking casualized garbage
>>341720068
too short, but it is the best handheld zelda
>>341721780
The OP sort of does have a point in that the tutorializing and hand holding in wind waker lasts way, way too long. Well beyond the point of leaving the island you start on and establishing Link as an ordinary kid setting out on an adventure.
Where they fall flat is in failing to realize that the reason WW is loved in spite of that is because once it opens up a little it turns into one of the best games in the franchise, perhaps the best in general insofar as a great deal of the game is concerned. Once Twilight Princess finishes up it's just unremarkable and uninspired, everything it has going for it is just an inferior attempt at what previous games in the series already achieved.
>>341710384
>shitting on the wolf portions
Stop memeing. Those sections were what actually made TP good. The rest of the game is a boring, uninspired slog without the wolf sections.
>>341725667
the wolf sections were a complete nightmare. what the heck are you talking about
>>341720068
I picked this up since it was on sale. Never had played it before.
>that minish village track
