Why the fuck is this triggering people? Have we gone full circle and graphics are more important than gameplay?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xhl5sk9i6Mk
>>341696225
>specs = graphics
Boy I sure love popping and shitty textures and low framerate and inferior ports in my console!
>>341696830
what Wii U game had low framerate and what game (that isn't still in development) has pop in?
>>341696830
whats wrong with popping?
>>341696996
xcx had pop in textures if you fast travel, especially to the city
>>341696225
I think the problem that people have is that Nintendo doesn't want to seem to ask, "Why not both?"
Then what is it about? What's the point of a new console if they don't improve anything? Adding a new gimmick peripheral is not an improvement
>>341697272
>xcx had pop in textures if you fast travel
did you download the add ons that actually improve that?
>>341696225
Do you guys really need a ps4 neo tier console to play paper mario?
>>341697438
yes it still happened
>>341697356
how aboutgood games
>>341696225
>Have we gone full circle and graphics are more important than gameplay?
OP is seemingly oblivious to the existence of PCucks.
But it's not only that. It's not about specs with Nintendo, but you know it'll be hideously overpriced anyway. Fuck Nintendo.
>>341697523
You need 144 FPS to properly play Super mario Bros 53
>>341697546
Why do they need a new console to make good games if the specs don't improve? Why don't they just keep making games for the WiiU. Specs is precisely what new consoles are about
>>341696225
Because as a developer you have to realize they would have to spend time making a noticably different (read: less graphically intensive) port of a game, and go through more testing to make sure it doesn't run like shit. Meanwhile with Xbone and PS4 they can pretty much plop the same assets in, and just mess with resolution. To stay relevant, Nintendo has to make a console friendly to developers, to minimize the work (and money spent) on ports. This is because Nintendo has had a bad rap with 3rd party devs because every console since the N64 has had some limitation. The N64 and GCN had limited storage, and the Wii/Wiiu are underpowered. It creates a stigma with the developer and consumer. It doesn't help that on Nintendo hardware, 3rd party devs have major competition. On PS4 and Xbox, their respective companies don't push too many 1st party games a year. However Nintendo has multiple quality 1st party titles every year, which will be gobbled up by most of the user base. That leaves $60 less out of the consumer's wallet to spend on a different game, possibly their game. This does nothing but add to the possible "costs" of developing for the system. So nintendo needs specs at the very least as good as the Xbone, in order to minimize risk for devs.
>>341697606
I own a PC and Wii U
Both are max comfy
>>341697736
you can do more with engines and make larger games, but you don't need PS4 neo tech for what Nintendo makes. you are retarded if you think that
>>341697890
It seems pretty silly to say it's not about specs when they're literally making a console with better specs
>>341697767
all Nintendo consoles were underpowered underaged, consoles used to have second party devs and have more exclusives that's the main difference.
>>341698037
not at all. they can improve resolution and frame rate with their current games that they are pumping out. still not a reason to sell at a loss.
>>341696830
>inferior ports
buy the console then you cheap fucking faggot
>inb4 I get a lecture from some PCuck about "consumer rights" when 80% of his gaming library is pirated
>>341696225
>what kind of specs
>we arent going to talk about that, were about content
>FUCK YOU NINTENDO AND YOUR CONTENT I WANT TO KNOW WHAT MY CALL OF DUTY MACHINE WILL RUN AT!!1!!!!!!!!@@#!#@!
there, explained
>>341696225
>graphics are more important than gameplay?
they're selling hardware
if they don't care about specs then they should stick to selling software
>>341698067
Gamecube was the most powerful console of its generation
>>341698314
/thread
>>341698314
>what kind of specs
>I'm too embarrassed to answer your question so I'm going to talk about Zelda
>>341698425
Yet they still managed to fuck that up and every multiplat was inferior.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y5Wp6T6XR90
All Nintendo needs to do is to create an environment for easy development as the X-box and PS4 so they can get a sizable library
>>341698545
>every multiplat was inferior
007 nightfire played better on both GC and xbox than ps2
>>341698425
Gamecube was Wiiu tier of sales
>>341698719
I didn't claim otherwise. On the other hand the Wii U is the least powerful console of its generation and it is also... Wii U tier of sales. So there's hardly a correlation
>>341696225
why do nintendofags pretend as if graphics and gameplay are mutually exclusive? you can complain about graphics and still desire good gameplay. you make no sense faggot.
>graphics and gameplay are mutually exclusive
>>341698067
Not underaged, retard. They weren't always underpowered. The N64 was the best at 3D rendering, and the Gamecube was more powerful than the PS2. Your statement about exclusives doesn't answer my argument. Yes, there were more exclusives THEN, but at the same time, Nintendo consoles have been harder to develop for because of space and hardware limitations. And having less exclusives now wouldn't matter as much because Nintendo has an amazing linup of exclusives for all of their consoles. The root of the problem is still the fact that nintendo's hardware can't keep up with the competitors. This keeps developers, (2nd or 3rd party) from bothering.
>>341699234
>third parties are generally why people buy consoles
>nintendo consoles aren't third party friendly due to lower specs and gimmicks
>but specs don't matter
>>341698889
You can track almost all failures in gaming consoles to marketing and sales, not specs.
I called this generation being PS4> Xbones > WiiU
This was obvious because Xbox had those shitty idea of saying you can't share games with friends and then Sony said "well Ps4 you can" meanwhile the nobody even knew about the WiiU
I didn't know about it until at least one year after it was out and i try and pay attention to this shit
>>341696225
For one, not caring about specs means less 3rd party support.
>>341699267
not him but you are a dipshit. literally every generation, the most powerful console didn't sell the sell well.
Gamecube sold horribly and n64 was also one of the worst eras in Nintendo's history for money
meanwhile the Wii sold a shit ton above everyone else
>>341699267
>I-Im not underaged!!!
>proceeds to post something underaged
kys
so this is the power...
>>341699519
These guys have a point though
>>341699381
>>341699267
They've been burning their bridges with 3rd party for a long time, and now their hardware is even becoming sort of incompatible with 3rd party games. So now there's no reason to get their console besides Nintendo games, but there's like one or two of those a year and half of them are good. So the playerbase becomes smaller and smaller and 3rd party devs are even more hesitant of making games for Nintendo consoles, it's a downward spiral
>>341699673
that's more of an architecture arguement that a spec one. you can change graphical settings and lower them and most multiplats are on PC so it's not hard.
>>341699828
>meanwhile the Wii sold a shit ton above everyone else
Yeah and the Wii U. Meanwhile PS4 is tanking. Oh wait
It's not about specs, it's about releasing an underpowered overpriced piece of shit with no games.
Again.
>nintendo realizes how hard it is to develop games for both handhelds and home consoles and not keep those platforms starved for games
>instead of just making a console that will allow third parties to easily put their games on so their consoles aren't as barren they release another gimmicky under powered system
Watch this happen again
>>341700036
Yes, that has worked out well for Nintendo in the past.
>>341696225
Just sounds like he's setting the bar lower than usual
>>341699948
one of them have a point the other literally is saying the opposite of me, gimmicks are shit, that's it
it's a problem of architecture not hardware specs, Wiiu isn't easy to port to and not worth it because it doesn't make sales. Ubisoft actually publically stated this years ago and they had a launch title with the WiiU
the irony is that nintendo makes the most money off their hardware because it's such a cheap underpowered toy
their "blue ocean" just means tricking millions into spending hundreds of dollars to play another zelda and mario out of nostalgia
nah, not gonna go for it
>>341696225
>Have we gone full circle and graphics are more important than gameplay?
are you taking the piss m8
let's not pretend you aren't fully fucking aware of the emphasis placed on graphics in the videogame industry
>>341700059
they aren't doing well, why do you think they are already lining up the next consoles? they arent selling near what they did last gen
>>341696225
They go hand in hand with gameplay.. nintendo doesnt seem to get that. Well if nx is not on par was neo and bone s its gonna flop bad and then nintendo will be kill
>>341700272
>Wiiu isn't easy to port to and not worth it because it doesn't make sales
They still wouldn't bother even if it was easier because nobody has a Wii U. They hate PC too
>>341700240
actually it did, the Wii had a shit ton of downgraded third parties.
>>341696225
/v/'s demographic didn't exist in the pre-graphics-are-everything time. Cinematic action-adventures are unironically praised here.
>>341700447
>they still wouldnt bother
they did for a few years?
>>341700275
Nobody is 'tricked' you mongoloid. That and many other titles the Wii offered is evidently what people wanted. It's hilarious seeing retards outside of the "blue ocean" constantly being tricked yet it's the casuals who are stupid.
>>341700630
this
im still upset that people praised The Last of Tumblr here. It was a shit game that i demanded a full refund for
>>341700656
>Nobody is 'tricked' you mongoloid.
lul there are always a million no games complaining threads once they get sick of their 3 nintendo first party games
>>341700389
PS3 sold 83 million over what, eight years. PS4 has sold 40 million in two and a half years
>>341696225
Every one know Nintendo is stupid about this type of shit and doesn't care anymore. They either don't realize or don't care that being a generation or more behind you're competitors is a handicap regardless of how good your games are as it limits what you can do on that system and makes porting third party and multiplat titles extremely difficult unless it's dirt cheap to develop shovelware for like the Wii.
>>341700630
Are you going to pretend games haven't always competed with their visuals
>>341700634
And nobody bought their games so they stopped doing it
>>341700929
They still are nowhere near what they should be comparatively
The lack of decent hardware has affected the content.
The Sonic games on the WiiU were shit because the system did not support the Crytek engine properly. There was no reason for a bad Sonic game after Colors and Generations. Nintendo fucked Sega.
>>341701018
>nobody bought their games
because people weren't interested. that's how a market works. Sniper elite 3 on Wii U sold shit as well. Nobody buys nintendo for third party and there's nothing wrong with that.
>>341701060
How much did PS3 sell in its first years? I'm not really familiar with that. There were barely any games for it and it was stupidly expensive so I'd imagine it was pretty slow going
B-but NX was supposed to get all the third parties back!
>>341701205
>implying sonic boom is bad because of the wii u
kys
>>341701215
it's not a fucking one to one trade. the PS4 now costs more than the PS3 did then, but Sony sells at a loss. They aren't making up that loss nearly what they should be
>>341701285
Go fuck yourself and educate your mind before you repeat your meme opinions, cocksucker.
http://www.sonicretro.org/2015/05/the-troubled-development-of-sonic-boom-rise-of-lyric-explained/
The video explains various things that went wrong like how the studio had to switch from developing for next-gen hardware to the Wii U (which is why early footage looks better than the final game), bad working conditions and more. Be sure to give it a watch, especially if you thought that the game being so bad was just because of the developers being incompetent.
>>341700810
By who? Or are you dumb enough to think the Wii U was "blue ocean"?
>>341701601
>sonic was shit
>KILL YOURSELF
hi chris
>>341701496
>the PS4 now costs more than the PS3 did then
You mean production cost or retail?
>>341701732
Chris hated Sonic Boom.
>>341701205
There was no reason for a bad Sonic after Adventure but they still did it. There was no reason to make Sonic a werewolf but they did it. There was no reason to have Sonic hook up with a super realistic girl but they still did it. Sega doesn't know how not to fuck up Sonic.
>>341696996
Xenoblade Chronicles X.
3D World had some really nasty pop in.
>>341701750
Obviously production because PS3 was like $599 US DOLLARS.
>>341701496
They are partially offsetting the extra losses with people paying for online.
>>341701887
>3d world
Really?
>>341701978
Then why are they making a new PS4 with even higher production cost if that's their dilemma with it
>>341698248
Really getting tired of this "graphics mean nothing" mantra. If I can choose between fun game A with shit graphics and fun game B with good graphics, I'll go with the latter.
>Want to like the WiiU
>region lock
>downgraded online
>downgraded user accounts (makes steam look polished in comparison)
>no customization of UI
>no modding
>apparently I'm not allowed to ask for improvements in any of these areas, lest I be called a "graphics whore"
>>341701205
It's the lack of foresight not the hardware, didn't you watch or read anything about the development?
>Big red button only told halfway into development that they're working on wiiu
I still have hope. There's not a lot of it left but I really want Nintendo to do good. It's even not about nostalgia, it's about one company dedicated to making platformers great again.
>>341702536
The irony is that their platformers aren't even as good as the competition.
Shovel Knight alone digs trenches around Mario and Donkey Kong.
>>341702638
SK and Shanate and others are available on Wii U and DK:TF shits on a lot of platformers from recent years. Not to mention Kirby games are still really good if not better than before
You can only tolerate underpowered new hardware for so long.
>>341702782
>SK and Shanate and others are available on Wii U
And? They're also available on PC and, thanks to the hardware, are objectively better there. No restrictions in regards to controllers or resolution.
>DK:TF shits on a lot of platformers from recent years.
I wouldn't go that far. It's too simplistic and the gameplay is really casualized. Same with Kirby, who focuses on being a "comfy cinematic experience" instead of offering a challenge.
>>341702286
The shitty fucking online is probably my biggest problem with Nintendo. Every other company has this shit figured out well enough to do this except them. How the fuck do they not know how to make this shit work?
>>341702923
Kirby games offer plenty of challenge if you dig deep, and the simple gameplay is the beauty of DKTF since the game itself is still pretty difficult. It's easy to pick up but difficult to master and that's what makes DKC a good series. But what I meant by what I said earlier was that Nintendo is the only non-indie company that still actively develops platform games, and doesn't throw them in as remasters
>>341702108
I'm not the other guy, but if you look at the general state of the console industry, it is contracting. PS4, Xbone, and Wii U need to sell another ~70 million units between them to match the 5th generation [PS1, N64, Saturn].
That's a large contraction even taking into account the 7th gen being overly inflated. The logical assumption is that they are going to try and sell a console more often to a more dedicated user base.
>>341703141
That's my problem with Kirby and Donkey Kong. You have to go through hours of casualized levels designed so even a pre-schooler can beat them, just to get to levls that would be considered normal on a PC game. So again I don't see the appeal.
>But what I meant by what I said earlier was that Nintendo is the only non-indie company that still actively develops platform games,
I don't get this stigma against indie companies. What, if a game doesn't have a big budget, it's suddenly bad?
>>341703340
>if a game doesn't have a big budget, it's suddenly bad?
Not necessarily, but it doesn't help that they don't have the budget to put in that level of polish that Nintendo does. And even if a little kid can beat the levels they're by no means bad or not fun to play through. Did you play Planet Robobot? It's a good time no matter how quickly you go through the plot since there are like 3 other modes that are harder.
>>341699673
I have never seen anyone look at a piece of plastic with that much disgust.
>>341696225
Why does nintendo choose to pursue alternate hardware rather than focus on console performance? Is it that Sony and Microsoft out compete them in resources in terms of doing that?
>>341701887
was having so much fun i didn't even care/notice
3D World should be on the next console for people who missed out on the Wii U
>>341698067
n64 was the most powerful of 5th generation
gamecube was the 2nd most powerful of 6th generation after the Xbox
>>341698314
>Waaaaaaaaaaaah Cowadooty!!!
Fucking idiotic Nintoddler
>>341703596
>Not necessarily, but it doesn't help that they don't have the budget to put in that level of polish that Nintendo does.
Polish? You mean fancy graphics and bloom and HD lighting? I'm sorry, but aren't we supposed to not care about excessive graphics?
>And even if a little kid can beat the levels they're by no means bad or not fun to play through.
But if there's no difficulty, there's no replayability. And I hate to say this, but Robobot makes Gone Home look like Brutal Doom. It feels like Nintendo didn't even try. No amount of True Arenas can fix broken and easily exploited AI.
>>341699828
>the most powerful console didn't sell the sell well.
stop with this meme already
nobody gives a shit
the wii u was weak ass dogshit and it still didn't sell
kill yourself
>>341700036
>that's more of an architecture arguement
architecture my fucking ass
all they have to do is recompile for a different toolset
the problem is the specs and the install base(which pretty much play hand-in-hand)
if your hardware ain't strong or your install base is small then most devs are not going to bother porting their game in your hardware
At least they their new system has a decent name now. Wii U was such an awful name that people thought it was a Wii add on. The shitty controller pad gimmick didn't help either. Nintendo really needs to stop with the gimmicks. The NX better not have a gimmick or it is dead on arrival since they just admitted their specs are shit
>>341703787
I think the better question is; Why the fuck do they think people want gimmicks? Just give us normal fucking consoles. No one wants a fisher price toy.
>>341704216
Well shit man, I don't go into them looking to be challenged like I'm playing Super Meat Boy or anything. And polish doesn't refer to graphics specifically, it's more of spending extra time on developing controls and making sure the game doesn't become a glitchfest. But yeah graphics too, it's impressive how good they can make a game look even with last gen hardware.
>>341701205
>Sonic
There hasn't been a good sonic game since Sonic Advance 1
GTFO of here with that horseshit
Bad example
>>341704734
>Well shit man, I don't go into them looking to be challenged
Yeah, see this is the base of the issue. This is the mindset people have when they buy games like The Order 1886 or Uncharted. They don't want a challenge, they just want to "experience the cinematics". It's a real issue when nobody wants to put in effort anymore.
>it's more of spending extra time on developing controls and making sure the game doesn't become a glitchfest.
Unfortunately, Nintendo fails here as well, because usually a platformer on a PC can be optimized with any controller, not just being restricted to one scheme. It's much better for the customer to have a choice, then have a forced restriction on them.
>But yeah graphics too, it's impressive how good they can make a game look even with last gen hardware.
See, this is why I hate Donkey Kong and Mario the most. All that money on graphics and special effects, and yet they could be putting that towards improving the gameplay. Again, look at Shovel Knight. Thanks to them pushing back on the graphics, they can release free DLC.
>>341704649
I believe it's because they want to have an actual reason to force an upgrade beyond specs. They want you to get the new console because of the "brand new thing!", not because of the power.
>>341702923
>resolution.
that doesn't matter in pixel games like Shovel Knight which is like 400x240 internally
>controller options
Wii U's controllers are great so no issue there
>>341705228
>PS4 sold 40 million because it had good specs in terms of consoles and it was $400
>The Wii U launched at like $350, is still at $300 because of the tablet, and has only about 10 million sales
Sony already proved that statement false, I don't know why they keep trying, they'll never get another Wii success.
>>341705482
>that doesn't matter in pixel games like Shovel Knight which is like 400x240 internally
I should still have the option.
>Wii U's controllers are great so no issue there
Can it match the PC's selection? Unless every game is compatible with KBM, I doubt it.
>>341696225
I would have no problem with this except Nintendo hasn't had any really impressive first party games in years
>>341704649
The original NES sold on gimmicks, it's a decent niche for Nintendo but non-casuals don't care about it.
>>341705586
I can't believe the PS4 has sold this much with literally just one game worth owning the console for; this shit just destroys my mind. Advertisement is one hell of a drug.
Nintendo tried on once releasing a console that had 3x the specs of its competition - it didn't work.
Nintendo then tried releasing the Gamecube that was on-par in power with the PS2, it didn't work either.
Then Nintendo released the Wii which was clearly underpowered and it was the most profitable console in gaming history.
See where I'm going with this? Specs aren't really that important.
>>341705224
A game doesn't need to be hard to be fun
Nintendo's problem isn't difficulty...it's their stale ass creativity especially in terms of art style/design
Look at the NSMB games for example
They look like the same game over and over and over again
>>341705898
The majority don't give a shit about exclusives. They just want a box that plugs into their tv to play the latest call of duty and madden with their friends.
>>341705898
I don't know if you know this because you're obviously too autistic from being on /v/ for so long, but people don't give a fuck about exclusives and don't have the mindset of /v/. They really don't. They'll buy them if they like what they see but for the most part they'll buy multiplats like Battlefield and whatnot because they want to play with their friends that have those games. It isn't a matter of what console has what game, it's a matter of what console do my friends own.
>>341705636
The game runs at "1080p"
What more do you want?
We were talking about 2D platformers here
The Various Wii U controllers are excellent for them especially their D-Pads(should be noted that you can of course use these controllers on PC(with some software hacks or something) with the Wii U Pro Controller being the top choice for PC)
>>341696225
>it's about content
>shows off only 2 new games at E3
fuck off reggie you cunt
>>341705909
>it was the most profitable console in gaming history.
That's not the PS2
>>341706502
They should have at least had a 30-40 minute Nintendo Direct.
>Told Nintendo stuff starts at 12:30 PM
>Nope, started at 9 AM :)
>>341696225
Everybody just wants Nintendo to make a Nintendo version of the PS4
Why's that so hard for them to figure out?
>>341696225
The NX is rumored to be more powerful than a PS4, but it will mean nothing when the NEO and the SCORPIO ( the more powerful console ever ) will be release. Of course, Reggie had to say "power don't matter" when your next console will be release 6 months before 2 anothers and more powerful consoles.
>>341706352
>What more do you want?
Perhaps the ability to mod, use unconventional controllers, not be restricted by DRM? I mean let me tell you, if I was only allowed to play PC games by logging into origin or steam, I wouldn't be too happy. So imagine my disdain for being forced to use downgraded Nintendo hardware.
>The Various Wii U controllers are excellent for them
>with the Wii U Pro Controller being the top choice for PC)
I must disagree. The KBM shines above all of the other control schemes, even for platformers.
>>341706543
Correct me if I'm wrong, but the PS2 started selling at a small loss, while the Wii never once lost Nintendo a penny.
>>341707306
Adding onto this, I do enjoy the option for controllers when my mouse is out of commission, but overall I still would like choices beyond what consoles can offer.
>>341696225
>nintendo makes a new console because they want a more powerful system and better graphics
>they suddenly backpedal and say "the specs don't matter"
why the fuck are they making a new console then?
it's just going to be another underpowered system with the occasional first party game and nothing else
>>341704649
Because the caught lighting in the bottle with the wii. The wii's gimmick caught on with the general public big time and caused the wii to sell like fucking hot cake to the point it was neigh impossible to get one for months.
This taught Nintendo that people love gimmick and don't care about specs. The bad part is most of that install based don't really play video games and moved on to something else and Nintendo still thinks it has them when the wii was just a right place/time/price thing.
Hell, I would guess that a huge chunk of wii owners never even bought a game separate from what came with the system
>>341696225
>graphics are more important than gameplay?
yes, but only if you owned a PS4 for the past 2 years.
Now that Scoprio has been announced, graphics don't matter again.
People assume that Reggie stating priority means the NX won't be powerful, which isn't true in the slightest
>>341696225
I doesn't have a library yet, all we've got is specs and if they say those don't matter then they're sure to be shit.
>>341699673
>image
>>341696225
Given that Nintendo keeps rehashing the same franchises over and over again, but without any improvement to graphics, there is literally no reason to buy their new consoles, just buy Wii for 40$ or so and play to your heart's content
>>341706543
>That's not the PS2
The PS2 wasn't very profitable. It was sold at a loss for a few years, then at break even, and only for profit towards the arse-end of its life.
PS2 had a lot of arcane bits of hardware that was very expensive to manufacture (Emotion Engine, Graphics Synthesizer, eDRAM, etc).
>>341696225
its more like this is the exact same marketing strategy Nintendo has been approaching for the WIi U and guess what
IT DIDN'T WORK
>>341710874
Except the Wii was more underpowered relatively speaking to the 360 and PS3 than the Wii U is underpowered to the Xbone and PS4.
There's also the matter of the Wii being rather cheap and the Wii U being on the expensive side.
There's nothing "blue ocean" about the Wii U. Nintendo didn't use that phrase once when describing the Wii U.
>>341699926
>so this is the power of nintendo
Gee maybe its because the whole point of a new console is about the specs of it? Are you retarded op?
people expected the nx to be semi-powerful
this is confirmation that it will be weaker than 3 year old consoles
thus, people are angry
>>341711316
Ya but the wii had motion controlls that everyone thought was going to be super futuristic and they all ate it up. Meanwhile the WiiU had a controller with a screen on it, and worse specs than the ps4 and the xbox
>>341696225
Its pretty funny as a neutral watching people attack nintendo for only bringing zelda, then deny zelda was any good (and that half a dozen other games were shown and new games were announced), and now this.
People are really, really determined to hate nintendo.
>>341697523
I don't want paper mario
more games like breath of the wild, pls nintendo
it has scope, openess, and ambition. somehting nintendo has been lacking since the n64
>>341710864
>Highest selling console of all time
>Not profitable
What's it like to live with autism?
>>341696225
"Not about specs" = weaker than competition = no 3rd party support/multiplat = weak sales = abandon ship
>>341707306
>The KBM shines above all of the other control schemes, even for platformers.
LOL no
Keyboard only is good for some platformers but Keyboard/Mouse is dogshit for most platformers
You can't play a game like Mega Man X very well in a keyboard for example
>>341710864
You're forgetting software sales which were much better than Wii's software sales
>>341714507
I agree. I have a 360 controller plugged into my PC for platformers and some other games like DaS.
There are games that were designed for controllers. When you play them on a keyboard it generally feels awful.
If consoles were about specs, when why don't they try to compete with PCs?
It's like Lego trying to compete with electrical engineering.
>>341696225
Because they said the same thing about the wiiu and look how that panned out. It shows us that they have learned nothing and unless the nx has some sort of amazing gimmick, they will have another failure.
>>341714887
>360 controller
That ain't the best choice for 2D platformer either due to the shitty D-Pad but it's a step above the Keyboard for some of them(mostly those which use more than 4 buttons like the bumpers/triggers)
>>341715065
You don't need to compete with PC
You just need to compete with Sony and MS's hardware
>>341715173
playstation controllers feel like shit for things that aren't platformers.
XB1 controllers are too expensive.
I've had the same 360 controller for 4-5 years now. Still works just as good. The D-pad isn't the best but it works and I compensate for it by gitting gudder.
>>341715294
do they though?
I haven't had a sony console since PS2 and I briefly had a 360 then sold it. I still have my Wii.
Nintendo has always had it figured out but they've executed it poorly with the Wii U. Everything people say about the bad marketing represents me. I didn't know what the hell it was for half its life cycle and I don't really want to buy a console with an imminent new one coming out.
MS and Sony are competing with each other, and they're also competing with PC. Long ago I gave up on the increasing cost of consoles and just switched to PC. I needed a PC anyway, why waste money on a gaming machine?
Nintendo though. They make games you don't get on PC. That's their stake. They make really fun games to play with friends or by yourself. It was never about the power.
>>341715312
>XB1 controllers are too expensive.
You mean XB1 Elite right?
You can use many sort of controllers in PC(with or without software hacks)
Like there's even adapters for old controllers like the SNES controller or there's even new USB versions of them by 3rd party companies
You can also use the Wii U ones (I heard many praise the Wii U Pro Controller for PC use because of it's battery life)
There's a shitload of options on PC
>>341715545
You're just one person
Nintendo needs to sell to more people
Gimmicks ain't gonna cut it anymore and most people aren't gonna buy a system just for their 1st party games
Most people also don't care that multiplats are on PC because they don't have a PC capable of running them and they just want something that's plug 'n play and convenient
>>341715642
Too much work. That's why I have my 360 controller. I plug it in, it works. Most games are mapped automatically.
The SNES controller had a worse D pad than the 360 desu.
>>341716034
>The SNES controller had a worse D pad than the 360 desu.
Unforgivable!!!
Anyways there's plenty of other plug 'n play options too but I'm sure you're aware of that
>>341715847
I'm just one person but I'm also that person they're talking about who they lost.
Sony and MS can't convince me to buy a console. They just release PC-lite games. Nintendo did a shit job with the Wii U. They couldn't convince me to buy one (even though some of the games looked pretty fucking good).
I think a lot of people are trying to play 2013 games in 2016, shitposting about their console being the best pale imitation of my pc. Nintendos gonna do well next year I'm guessing.
>>341716182
I got a SNES on release. I will always remember how the d pad started to stick over time. It was a fine controller that fit your hand well but it wasn't as refined as controllers are now. Plus they give you hand cramps from the lack of curves for your palms to rest on.
>>341716301
>Hand cramps
You have big hands don't you?
In that case the Genesis controller would be more up your alley
>>341716193
Hey man I'm the same as you
The current console generations is pure garbage
But we really don't matter compared to the millions of plebs out there
And better hardware would only make Nintendo's 1st party games better anyways so I don't see the loss in all this
>>341696225
Less powerful hardware just hurts the options developers have to work with. Not to mention the fact that it practically ensures that third party support will be nonexistent.
>>341698067
SNES, N64 and GameCube were quite powerful for their generations.
>>341696225
why do you think bad specs means good gameplay
bad specs = worse physics, less things on screen, worse draw distance
those all affect gameplay
>>341716408
why are all these usb snes controllers on google under 10 bucks.
that's slightly tempting just to see how it works.
I remember the genesis controller having a really weird button layout but I only ever played Desert Strike on genesis at a friends house.
>>341716517
I think we are those plebs.
The only thing that matters to me is nintendos API is dead simple this time around and invites third parties instead of pushes them away.
>>341696225
>implying there's ANY reason to make another console other than improving specs
Nintendogaf needs to die.
>>341712852
BTFO
>>341716701
The Buffalo Classic Gamepad is very good
https://www.amazon.com/Buffalo-Classic-USB-Gamepad-PC/dp/B002B9XB0E
The buttons are sort of layed out like in an arcade stick
It's not much of a problem for Genesis games
There's also the 6 button genesis controller which is GOAT for fighting games and the Saturn one which is similar but slightly different
>>341699267
Nintendo's real problem is how unwilling they are to diversify. They've been pitching the same franchises for decades. They play off of gamers nostalgia instead of taking creative risks. Bottom line, Nintendo is stale. It's so fucking tedious to see them hype Zelda and Pokemon for the 10th time.
>>341716701
>I think we are those plebs.
No I'm talking about the ones who play the latest CoD every year and so on
>>341716701
>>341717040
Just be warned
I believe the Buffalo pad only supports DirectInput if I'm correct so you might need some kind of Xinput wrapper for new games which don't have full controller support
It's great for emulation tho
>>341696225
It's not about that these fucks need to compete it's like they're in the slow class all by themselves and pretending it's alright to be special. The crazy part is they can make their fanbase believe it too. When does the breaking point come? A lot Xbox fans had theirs with the bone and a lot Sony fans had theirs with the PS3, but the majority Nintendo fans will stick with these crazy people despite shit like this. If they're not gonna compete on hardware their launch line up better be rock solid and Zelda is just one game it can't carry the NX past the first 3 months
>>341698425
someone mentioned power?
>>341717932
>not posting a pic of the Duke controller smashing that tank
>>341705909
And then they released the Wii U
>We're getting half console generations
>literally PS4.2 and XBOX360+180
Fuck gaming.
