"Once you start down the dark path, forever it will dominate your destiny"- Yoda
What's the next Paper mechanic?
The shredder?
>>341648338
If they are gonna ditch the whole rpg set up, I wish they stuck with Super Paper Mario game play instead. That was way better than sticker star.
I'd have liked this game if they ditched the thing stickers. That's an awful mechanic.
>"This is the future for the paper mario franchise."
Miyamoto why
>>341649534
I cuoldn't stand Super from how awful it was, but I at least finished Sticker Star. It was a fun game for what it was, but more of that isn't welcome.
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>>341649747
>Tanabe
The man that killed paper Mario and made federation force.
>>341649747
Every time I see this it fucking hurts. It's 2016 and Nintendo still doesn't under their fanbase, the gaming community or social media in general.
>>341650072
>6:15
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dlcNubU6bYA
Toads are cute, but they use them too often.
>>341649747
(laughs)
>>341649687
SPM is miles ahead of stickers star
I don't understand why Paper Mario couldn't have been the Mario RPG series for consoles, while handhelds kept the M&L games.
>>341649747
The stuff about the Toads is the biggest load of bullshit ever. I can't believe anyone could have a mindset that boring.
The worst part about this whole thing is that the Gamexplain interview gave me hope for the future. They obviously have been working on this since before Sticker Star even released, and by the time CS was announced and the backlash was noticible for them, the game was obviously already done (or, enough to be playable anyway). That's way too late for them to scrap the game. A part of me believes that they know they fucked up and the next game will be a return to form, because I mean they can't just go to an interview and say "We know the fans hate this kind of game, so we're going back to form on the next one."
This is a last-ditch effort to have something out on the Wii U in 2016, it was far too late to cancel or push the game back even when it was first announced. They have to stick to their guns, at least for Color Splash. Who knows what the next one will be?i know itll be sticker star 3 thats why i said this is the worst part about the whole thing rip paper mario ;__;7
>>341650712
>sticker star 3
What was Sticker Star 2?
>>341651016
i meant the next game after CS will be sticker star 3, after CS is 2.
Action Commands are for losers!
I'm actually done. I don't even feel mad anymore, I actually don't feel anything. I just feel numb.
>>341651598
Paper Mario: Nuts & Bolts
>>341650405
>don't understand why Paper Mario couldn't have been the Mario RPG series for console
Console JRPGs have went the way of the dinosaur. The last JRPG to sell over 2 million copies on a console in the last 5 years was Final Fantasy XIII-2 and Square Enix themselves are abandoing the turn based system.
I think Nintendo is just looking for someway to have Paper Mario to survive as an Action Adventure rather than an JRPG which would be doomed regardless.
>>341651598
WOOOOOW THATS ACTUALLY IN THE GAME NOW IM REALLY FUCKING MAD OH SHIT FUCK YOU NINTENDO
I see reviewers were fair when rating Sticker Star. Guess that's another point of why you shouldn't take a high rated casual opinion as a fact.
>>341651598
>>341648338
>Not changing this to "Shit Splash"
>Not changing to the color from Red to Brown
This game is hammered shit...
heh
POST SONGS TO DEAL WITH THIS DEVASTATING EMOTIONAL PAIN
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VG9VhC0hiTg
>>341653352
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TuyJxt75zCs
>>341651598
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>>341652719
>>341653047
Aren't action commands still in the game though? This seems like it's from an early fight and the taunt is to remind you to use them.
>>341653352
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7YRWzxYS_nM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dcIs3rAEytk
>>341654196
Yes they are, the guy from Treehouse showed them off.
>>341648338
>"Once you start down the dark path, forever it will dominate your destiny"
Then why are you getting so angry?
>>341651598
That's a real knife in the dick.
>tfw I can't even get Paper Mario gameplay from South Park RPGs anymore
>>341654549
omg did he died?
>>341652683
>>341652719
>>341653047
>>341655064
you guys are way too easily baited
I bet if the shy guy said "greatness awaits" you'd think the next game will be TTYD 2.0
>>341655390
>tfw I can't even get Paper Mario gameplay from South Park RPGs anymore
Good, Stick of Truth's was very unpolished. Fractured Butthole will probably be more interesting even if it's more like Live-a-Live.
>>341648338
Paper Mario games were never good.
>>341648338
Why did Mario shove that hammer in a tampon?
>>341655867
:^)
>>341655603
I'm not sure if I'll enjoy it though
>Even if this game bombs the entire Mario franchise will continue to become more and more homogenized
>Can't even vote with your wallet because the Mario name ensures it will continue to make money regardless
>Paper Mario will never be an RPG again
>3D Mario platformers will always be linear obstacle courses
>Mario Party will never have complex boards with coins and separate player movement again
>Mario vs Donkey Kong will be a shittier version of Lemmings forever
>2D Mario platformers will just be the same game copy-pasted every generation
>Mario sports games will be devoid of meaningful content forever
>>341648338
I know you're all going to end up buying this
Unless you enjoy having your wiiu turning into a dust collector
>>341656504
This is why you should own more than one platform
>Gamexplain: "Will Color Splash include any traditional RPG elements like the first two Paper Mario games?"
>Nintendo: "So you know about the Mario and Luigi games, right? So since we already have that series of games that's more of a straight up RPG, we feel like it would be a shame if we weren't doing something that was more different and that was giving something to the customers. And I think that what people like about those original Paper Mario games was, as you say, the RPG elements, but there was also the colorful characters, the puzzle solving, and the humor. So in the new games we're focusing more on the puzzle solving aspects and the humor"
>Gamexplain: "Something fans noted about Sticker Star is that it focused primarily on traditional mushroom kingdom characters and that there was a lack of new characters. So can we expect to see any new characters in Color Splash, or is it focused more on the mushroom kingdom again?"
>Nintendo: "You'll see lots and lots of Toads, but as you talk to them you realize 'oh, these are all completely different people!'. Like, even if you see one Toad in town, and then, when you meet that Toad in another place, you'll know they're the same Toad because of the way they talk and what they talk about."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dlcNubU6bYA
>>341656696
Jeez for all of the focus on humor they only managed to just start matching TTYD's humor.
And very fucking few puzzles were good, their "focus" on both has bore no fruit
>>341656696
Who the fucked enjoyed paper Mario for the puzzles? Like, they're not bad but they aren't super good either.
The art direction for this game is legitimately amazing, it's a shame it's wasted on that gameplay
>>341657769
Almost everyone likes the art style
>>341656224
this game is going to sell like shit for two reasons, a) because no one who bought sticker star blind is going to make that mistake with CS and b) because the wii u install base is a minor, minor fraction of what the 3DS and wii were. It's going to be the worst selling PM game in the series, that's a guarantee.
>>341656504
i'm not going to buy it. i have other games to play on Wii U. I don't need this one. If I ever get the morbid curiosity to play this, I'll pirate it. Loadiine is a thing.
>>341649867
How can one man fuck up so many things in such a short period of time?
>>341656696
>You'll see lots and lots of Toads
MAKE IT STOOOOOOOOP
>>341648338
It's weird. They seemed to listen to fans with Zelda and Mario party. Why not with this? Did Japan like sticker star?
>>341656696
me here>>341650712
see, this reads to me like someone who knows they fucked up but cant admit it. They need to put a spin on this new game in the best way possible, they can't say "We know people hated sticker star, we know they're going to hate this game. The next one will be better."
No one would buy CS. They need to stick to their guns and promote this game as if it were great and it were the one everyone was asking for.
At least, as far as gameplay, i really honestly think miyamoto wants to keep everything in mario games as homogonized and sterile as possible in terms of characters and story. He's ruining all mario games, not just mainline.
>>341658261
They absolutely did not listen about mario party. Not even a little bit.
>>341658261
1. Sticker Star sold well
2. Critics didn't pan Sticker Star and you know how Nintendo loves Metacritic scores
3. A trailer of Color Splash wasn't released on the day of it's debut. Nintendo couldn't see the amount of dislikes and distaste directly until yesterday
>>341658261
>Mario party
Nigger where have you been the past 24 hours
>trying to sound deep by quoting a green goblin from a childrens movie
Paper mario has been dead for awhile. Stop thinking they're just going to revert baack to what they were over a decade ago.
>>341658312
>I just feel that the Mario games are something that should be a much more bright and active experience. With the Mario games, you don’t need to have such a complicated setting where you have these particular characters with complicated backstories that can weigh down the bright and fun feel of the game.
>Mr. Koizumi is the type of person who, whenever we’re working on a new Mario game, he always wants to bring more story elements into it, as he did with Super Mario Galaxy. But in talking with him this time, he agrees and feels that with Galaxy 2, there won’t be a need for as deep of a story.
>“Well, I put a stop to that at the beginning, this time,” Miyamoto said, and for emphasis punched the air with his fist.
>They always want to have these dramatic scenes where Princess Peach gets kidnapped, but I always tell them, no, it’s fine — Princess Peach likes cake, so you can just have them use cake as bait to kidnap Princess Peach, and that’s enough. [...] I was thinking they could have these big ships come in, and they’ve got these big chains all over them, and they drop a plate down with cake on it.
http://www.nintendolife.com/news/2009/06/miyamoto_borking_super_mario_galaxy_2s_story
>>341652683
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>>341653047
The Shy Guys are obviously meant to be taunting Mario, since he uses action commands.
>>341658431
>2. Critics didn't pan Sticker Star and you know how Nintendo loves Metacritic scores
sticker star is the lowest scoring paper mario game both from critics and fans on metacritic tho
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dlcNubU6bYA
>8:37
If we get loud enough, we could get TTYD HD. It's the only chance left to save Paper Mario.
>>341658348
>>341658447
I thought people liked that there was not a car anymore.
>>341658683
They probably saw it got at least mostly 7s and thought "you know we can improve upon this"
>>341658578
yeah the man's fucking bonkers
>>341658431
A trailer wasn't released, but the reveal of it from the Direct was. It was down voted to Hell and back.
>>341658697
Just emulate it nigga.
>>341658828
well now you're just moving goalposts, a second ago you said they loved metacritic scores now you're saying they're trying to improve on the formula that generated the lowest ones instead of reverting back to the most popular two.
>>341658891
that wasn't on nintendos official channel, they were reuploads.
>>341657913
It still won't change things for Mario as a whole. Mario is fucked.
>>341658907
But if they make a TTYD HD and see it absolutely decimate the sale numbers of Color Splash, they may actually see that fans want the old games back.
>>341658990
They loved making Sticker Star and when I meant Nintendo loves Metacritic scores I was referring to how they tend to promote their games by using scores.Okay my statement was flawed. Never mind then
>>341659153
yes, it is. at least, until shiggy dies.
and before anyone gets on me for the "LE BOOGEYMAN MEME" he isn't the sole one responsible for the absolute shit gameplay in sticker star, but he is to blame for the direction mario has gone since the wii. It's his doing that made mario so stagnant and samey.
>>341650228
>battles aren't rewarding because you have to use finite resources to fight them
>to fix this we added a single reward to battle that is also a finite resource
Are these people literally retarded? How do you fuck up game design 101 this hard?
>>341658856
I would argue that extra tiny touch of edginess is why paper Mario stands out so much.
>>341659106
I guess 0% of Nintendo's employees use the Internet and couldn't have seen the backlash, then. I had assumed a company might have wanted to see how a game was received to guage what they spend on future marketing and releases, but I guess I was wrong. My bad. How fucking silly of me.
>>341659167
if they remastered TTYD it's till sell like shit due to the awful sales of wii u, i'd rather have them hold off until NX at least for a remaster, because whatever the fuck the NX is it can't sell worse than the U
>>341651598
>The enemy makes fun of your move
Wow guys, I'd be surprised if it was coming from your glowing butterfly partner but it just comes off as a taunt
>>341658578
That chink bastard is running his own IP into the ground
>>341659531
Who said it would be for Wii U? The NX is set to come out in like nine months. Why on Earth would they start development for a Wii U game now?
Why are Paper Mario fans such fucking crybabies?
>>341659459
no i completely agree, they're fucking insane. the first two games are rated incredibly high and one of the shining points in reviews for those games is the stories. they're fucking mental for thinking those aren't important. platformers don't need stories, games like PM do. Even sticker star would have been tolerable with a cast of sidekicks and unique locations instead of "Pokey Desert #3994" and "...Another Toad Town".
>>341659531
From the sound of that interview, they didn't seem to know people loved TTYD, and likely don't have it in development. If they started it now, it would likely be on NX.
>>341659681
Too bad Galaxy 2 was better than the first game.
>>341659460
i mean if they were interested in that they would have released it themselves. This is far too late in development and far too integral to the wii u's lifespan (literally the ONLY game they have for the holiday season) for them to scrap or delay it anyway, so regardless of backlash they're in a position where they have to release it either way.
>>341659727
How else do you expect people to respond to seeing developers fuck up nearly every decision and knowing that they are oblivious?
>>341656696
>you'll know they're the same Toad because of the way they talk and what they talk about."
Why don't you just draw them differently then you lazy bastards
>>341659727
imagine if they took metal gear solid and turned it from a stealth combat game into a kart racer and that became the standard for all mgs games going forward.
>>341656696
>Enjoyed Paper Mario's Puzzles
Okay, what the fuck are they smoking. Don't get me wrong, Paper Mario had decent puzzles but they're treating it like its the best damn thing since sliced bread. I mean, holy shit remember that time where you hit the switch with your hammer? Or that time where you had to defeat all the enemies to progress? God damn how innovative!
>>341660131
I can't wait for people to play the game and see that when they said that, they literally meant they copied and pasted the same speech to different toads in different places throughout the game.
"Hey this guy says the same thing as the first Toad I talked to 2 towns ago, it must be the same guy!"
>>341660159
Does Konami still have a stealth series that they consistently make in the Metal Gear universe?
Because Mario and Luigi still exists.
Also, turning an RPG into an adventure/puzzle game isn't that fucking different.
>>341658578
When will this fuck retire already? He destroys everything he touches because he's still thinking within the confines of an arcade cabinet where everything needs to be quick to make that extra quarter.
I appreciate everything he's done in the past, he was a visionary in his prime, but he's from a bygone era and has no idea how to survive in this new world.
Like I last played ttyd and 64 years ago and I can probably list each chapter's arc and tell you something about the boss.
I played ss last year and I can't tell you shit besides it was a lava world and the boss was a generic giant Mario enemy
>>341660362
How the fuck is it not different?
RPGs have
>Stats
>Leveling
>experience
>story
>characters
This game has 0 of those things. And Mario & Luigi is a completely different game, it's not the same.
>>341658261
>>341658431
They started making CS during SS's fucking afterparty
Also the sales shit is a bad argument, since SPM sold more, and TTYD sold the same amount
Not to mention TTYD's attachment rate was way higher, I mean like 10x higher
>>341659727
>Developer fucks up
>Fans complain
>Developers: "We hear you!, here's whats new in our next......."
>A developer under nintendo fucks up
>Fans complain
>Developers:"Why are you complaining, its great guys"
This is why.
>>341660362
Then we might as well turn 3D Mario into an RTS. We've already got Mario platformers, after all.
>>341649747
you should update the image where the producer said to play mario and luigi instead for rpg elements
guys what if they pack in a TTYD remaster with the game like they packaged that weird slippy game with star fox zero?
I know they won't but hypothetical, what do we do then? Do we buy it to vote for TTYD with our wallets or do we boycott it because stickerstar
>>341654196
Shhh, don't bring logic to a shitposter threads, i only enrages them more.
>>341659727
Because paper Mario games come once a generation and the last few have been fucking up more and more.
Imagine if metroid went
> metroid nes
>super metroid
>metroid fusion
>other M
>other M 2
>>341660917
That will never happen so we won't need to do anything
>>341660917
My Nintendo poll?
Miiverse?
>>341648338
>blood
>gore
>rated for everyone
BRAVO NINTENDO
>>341659435
Its even worse than that anon
The enemy cards you get from battles straight up dont fucking work on bosses
Its not as bad as SS since I think you keep the cards post battle but fucking still
>>341661068
that's what hypothetical means
>>341660695
So basically they were waggling their dicks out when SS released and making it seem like its the next best thing, but when it bit them in the ass it was too late to go back, so they're trying to push color splash as a good game.
>>341661121
i don't think you do keep cards post battle, I mean in all the gameplay we've seen mario has a fucking shit load of dupes. Why would they put so many duplicates in the game if you only use one of each?
>>341661121
You've gotta be fucking kidding me. I thought it was bad because all you'd end up doing is fighting a single battle to get the card for the boss fight. They literally didn't fix a fucking thing.
>>341661396
Discussing it still a waste of time since there's no way it could realistically happen
I'm looking forward to get the game.
>>341661409
Basically, I think if the announcement were made and met with this backlash earlier in the wii u's life cycle, it may have been cancelled or delayed, but the game was so far in development and the holiday lineup for the U would be non-existent without it, so it's literally not an option for them to cancel or delay it at this point.
>>341652683
More like Paper Mario the Avi and Draco.
>>341661602
anon that is LITERALLY what hypothetical means. And we're all here discussing a game none of us are going to like and none of us are going to buy, so what time is really being wasted anyway
it looks like a nice game, if it wasn't Paper Mario
which is sad
because I can't buy it now, since if people buy it, Nintendo won't stop this trend and the first two games' style will never have a return
>>341648338
>Nintendo says they'll remaster TTYD if people are vocal enough
>Don't know if I want that because it potentially means they ruin everything about it
>>341649867
>>341658180
Made Chibi Robo Zip Lash too
>>341661567
If you watch the Morton fight the Treehouse blackman says they dont workThere's one good thing, they added exp for your paint hammer, enemies drop after fighting
>>341661564
Holy shit good point. Lets just hope they just put in multiples because they're stupid.
I mean, this is the same team that made every move a multihit move and then doubled the average amount of enemies per battle, so i wouldnt put it past them.
>>341662412
He needs to be stopped. Why doesn't he make his own IPs instead of ruining current ones?
>>341662412He produced every Chibi Robo.
Zip Lash's design choice was all on Skip and Vanpool too, since the mainline games have always sold like shit.
>>341662412
>Ruined paper mario, metroid, and fucking Chibi robo
He is the real champion of destruction
>>341662809
People here overplay how much of a role he actually has. He just seems like a business guy who keeps getting teamed up with shit developers. Whenever he's working with a good team the games turn out just fine and no one ever mentions his involvement. Teams like Skip, Vanpool, IS, they're all pretty trash now. Next Level is a decent dev, they're just an awful choice for Metroid.
Did anyone actually watch the Treehouse segment for Color Splash?
The game still has its problems, but I really liked the part wherethe toads are scamming Mario with a typical memory game and he has to "mark" the one who has the key with the paint hammer in order to be able to call them out on their fraud when he "loses" again.
If the game has more stuff like that, I think I'll be able to like it on its own merits. It's a puzzle that takes a spin on a generic video game trope, and it's not like the game tells you or hints that you have to mark the toad either. The treehouse guy playing just knew how to do it already.
>>341662557
>exp for your paint hammer
How exciting. That means I get to paint more surfaces to get even more stickers or coins with which I can purchase more stickers. Stickers are so exciting. I really like them. They completely make up for not having a story, or partners, or good gameplay.
>>341663085
>There’s no definitive plan or anything. It’s just me off the top of my head. I know how hated the character of Tingle is in the U.S. I know that people cannot stand Tingle. But to me that challenge is: Could I take this character that is so reviled in the West and just [do] a complete turnaround and make him a beloved, fun character? The idea of that really just gets me going. I know we have made a Tingle game in the past, but maybe at some point down the road.
>It’s like love. It’s like romance: You meet someone and you’re like, ‘Oh god, I can’t stand that person.’ And then three weeks later, you’re madly in love — it’s that turn, that quick whip, that motivates [me] a little bit. If we we ever get a really successful Tingle game, maybe we will have like a big Tingle statue out there [points to Nintendo's E3 booth outside the room's walls].
http://www.nintendolife.com/news/2013/06/nintendos_kensuke_tanabe_wants_to_make_tingle_popular_in_the_west
Replace Tingle with Federation Force or Sticker Star Mario
>>341663183
Tanabe directed DokiDoki Panic/Mario USA too. What an asshole, right? Always changing those games up.
The only fucking reason Tanabe is working on the Paper Mario games is because Vanpool worked on them most likely, since he never worked on IS's games, however he's worked on plenty on Vanpool games.
>>341660530
>stats
>leveling
>experience
These are just very common forms of progression. They could easily be replaced with just giving access better equipment, skills, or stats at set points or in exchange for some commodity. The only benefit to experience is that it allows bad players to grind their way out of a hard area. Some games do have exp caps to prevent grinding to some extent though.
>story
>characters
The only thing these need to do is give the player some direction. They don't even have to give a reason for why the player can or should do something although it does help with motivation. Everything else is superfluous.
>>341663381
>That spoiler
I actually agree, thats like TTYD kinda stuff.
It seems the humor has improved all around this time at least, but it's still missing something.
Like if it was TTYD you would fight them afterwords because you found them out, but because its this, they just shrug it off and go on being generic nice NPCs. Which just seems off.
>>341663709
Dont forget to stop and hammer every empty spot 3-5 times anon.
Dont worry, they're only fucking everywhere
>>341664018
Personally I also wish exp was done away with.
But this is not the way
>>341664018
People dont really care about the motivation anon.
They just like the creative worlds, plots, and characters built, along with the original designs and how they all mesh together with eachother.
Motivation is the last reason I want a plot at least
>>341648338
Relevant mosaic thread here:
>>341664497
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>>341664497
>>341664018
Characters and plot are a major part of what the RP part of RPG means. And Color Splash doesn't have any other form of progression, other than you get to carry more paint around.
