>Get acc banned = no more games 4 u
>Valve's terms of service deny users the right to a class action lawsuit.
>its not ok when MS does it tho.
http://www.tomshardware.com/news/Valve-Allows-Banned-Players-Games,15447.html
http://www.makeuseof.com/tag/im-longer-buying-games-steam-opinion/
RIP PC GAMING
>>341632752
>>341632949
How long until mods start banning /pol/?
I agree with what OP is saying but I'm Jewish and this "le happy merchant" bullshit is fucking obnoxious. Did the last century teach you guys nothing?
>>341632752
uhh you can't give away your right to sue
>>341633210
>I'm Jewish
its ok when Valve does it but not MS;
MS is fucking evil.
>>341632752
>actually getting banned
you deserved it
>>341633210
>Did the last century teach you guys nothing?
What are you implying? Jews have been destroying every industry they've touched and turned them into money printers. Disney knew exactly what was going on.
>>341632752
>Terms of service denies your legal rights
>>341632949
>bitching about software DRM on PC
>when the entire point of consoles is to be DRM platform
Valve literally are Gods of the gaming industry, with the amount of free content they put outs its not even contestable.
No point calling Valve jewish because they're the least jewy company out their. Who else is better?
>>341632752
Easy fix, file a class action against one of the developers of the games you can no longer access and watch as they file suit against valve
>>341632949
Well... i don't need to pass the physical copy to share my games, i've share my 185 games with at least 6 friends, you can share at same time 185 games with your friends or not?
http://store.steampowered.com/promotion/familysharing
>>341632752
I agree. Putting all your eggs in one basket is retarded. Doesn't matter whether it's xbox or valve.
But I have to ask, how does one even get account banned on steam? Do they do it for anything other than credit card fraud?
>>341632752
>Valve's terms of service deny users the right to a class action lawsuit.
>EULAs override the law
Epic thread, OP.
>>341633935
PC Gaming just makes sense, especially with Valve/Steam.
Consoles you buy all your games for one generation then they're worthless the next.
PC have unlimited life time.
All my eggs in one basket is just too damn comfy
>>341632752
How did you get your account banned?
Not that i'm defending the fat fuck, i'm curious about how common it is
Not liking or joining steam is stupid, Valve saw a gap in the market and thats the way she goes.
Steam won the pc market its all ogre.
>>341634078
I agree pc gaming is ideal, I have one myself for games. But even there i dont buy everything from steam. Just don't like the thought of my entire library potentially getting compromised.
>>341634574
>Just don't like the thought of my entire library potentially getting compromised.
It's literally impossibleliterally impossibleunless you give your password to someone.
>>341634080
>Use cheats
>VAC detects cheats
>Get Vacced
>Cry
>>341635039
That doesn't prevent you from playing your games.
>>341634763
There are plenty of people that have been account hacked that aren't giving their passwords out. Not to mention you're still at the mercy of their tos. So if Gabe goes crazy one day and decides to ban people for random shit then there's nothing you can do.
>>341635752
False positives are usually lifted, unlike ea.
Only way to get hacked is if you install a program containing a virus............. so basically a child who doesn't know how to use computers and can't tell what looks dodgey.
>>341635959
So basically if your wife or child get on your computer they could potentially fuck you over. There's a non zero chance of that happening for a lot of people.
>>341633598
>you can share at same time 185 games with your friends or not
you can, both ps4 and xbox
>>341636313
Well if you're using windows 10 they have the app store which makes it harder for that to happen.
>>341633381
There's literally nothing wrong with being Jewish.
>>341634080
not at all common. downright criminals and leeches on steam still get to play their games, they just get account restrictions that dont let them cheat people anymore.
Lately they've been upping security, which is annoying but also gives some peace of mind. I can't trade an item away without entering in the authenticator code off my phone, so it's virtually impossible to get hacked if you protect yourself.
>>341636313
there've been no real cases of a virus that triggers a vac ban.. but there have been people who've hacked accounts, then purposely use cheats on them to get them vacced.
Valve's policy is to never lift a vac ban, but I've heard they do it often enough if there's enough evidence. The thing is most of the people who swear up and down they didn't cheat are lying.
>spends 2000$ on a top of the line PC
>doesnt own the games
>>341632752
>Another angry shitter that cheats in video games and gets upset.
>>341636992
As long they're on my computer, i fucking own them regardless of where they came from
>>341636957
>Valve's policy is to never lift a vac ban
Bans get lifted if they're a false positive.
>>341636992
>doesn't realize disc media all oxidizes and the data corrodes eventually
>>341632752
>not buying DRM free games at gog
>>341632949
>I buy all my games at gog or use a steam DRM crack
Problem solved.
>>341632752
so don't get banned?
>>341632752
It is astonishingly easy to not get banned from steam. Just don't scam or hack.
It's like people who bitch and moan about the Police being out to get them because they get harassed by the police... when all you need to do to not get harassed by the police is to not break the law and be polite to them when you talk to them.
>>341638467
>when all you need to do to not get harassed by the police is to not break the law and be polite to them when you talk to them.
For the most part, yes. But some police are just assholes who think they're above the law simply because they enforce it.
>>341632752
don't get banned then you retard
probably some Russian faggot that sits on csgolounge all day waiting to scam some retard
>>341633210
Dear Jew
What have you done for us lately?
Jack shit
You sir are a leach.
>>341633567
>least jewy company
>refuses to implement refunds for years while GOG and even fucking EA had it
>removes games from user's libraries at publisher's whim
>teams up with Bethesda for paid mods
>still no refunds for early access
>client is still fucking DRM
Why would you lie on the internet?
>>341632752
>>/pol/
>>341636992
You think you own that PC? Heh
>>341633484
The tos requires you to agree to arbitration to settle disputes, making class action suits impossible. Phone companies do the same thing.
>>341638467
>just don't get accused of scamming or hacking
ftfy
Better stop playing online games or the vengeful kiddos you destroy will team up and get your account banned by spamming support with false allegations you can't disprove, as you're guilty unless proven innocent with Steam support.
Valve give zero shits about individual users. They only want your money.
>>341639230
Being this mad at the most professional service and greatest out their otherwise known as steam.
your house is more likely to burn down along with all your weeb ps4 bullshit games than you get banned on steam (which doesn't restrict access to your games, just to the community)
>>341638467
To me what worries me about online shopping services like steam and gog is, what is gonna happen if the service ends?
Nothing lasts forever, and just as steam as well as my acount and games may last aeons after my death, something may happen to steam just right now and terminate it all together.
Valve says they will make up to all customers and still allow downloading of the games after steam is over, but, can you really trust them?
>>341639715
>professional
>whoops, a page caching issue let users accidentally log into any random users' accounts and mine personal info
>better keep this quiet, they don't need to know
>>341639946
Just keep back ups if you don't trust gaming gods it's very simple
>buy a cd key off a third party website and activate it on steam
>turns out the key was stolen
>valve is notified, bans your account
>all your games, gone just like that
p-pc m-master r-r-race right
>>341632949
>can't play games offline
this hasn't happened to me once. what triggers it?
>>341640019
so mad, let out all your hate anon I can take it
>>341639946
>Steam ends
>can no longer access library of games
>most downloaded games will not work
>re-installing is impossible
>GOG ends
>can no longer access library of games
>all downloaded games will still work
>re-installing is possible
I wonder which one is the safer investment.
>>341640104
>using a dodgy key on your beloved steam account
It's like you never even cared for it in the first place.
>>341639596
There's literally nothing stopping you from a class action assuming you can get a judge who isn't a shithead.
>>341640202
>giving dishonest merchants control over your property
>subscribing to the sunk cost fallacy after realizing it
The only one mad here is you, fellow anon. You don't have to be upset to be mad.
>>341640269
I'm pretty sure if either scenario becomes reality, we'll have more important problems to address than our vidya library. In Steam's case you can also just take one of the cracked steam .dlls.
>>Valve's terms of service deny users the right to a class action lawsuit.
They can't override local laws.
>>341640916
>willingly loading russian and chinese payloads onto your computer to circumvent shitty drm
no thx
>>341632752
Stop cheating then, its really that simply. 12 years in steam, no problems, even while pirating some Steam games
>>341639946
by the time that happens you could fit the entire steam library on a thumbdrive
>>341639946
GOG doesn't have that problem since all they do is sell you is the installer program and let you do whatever the fuck you want with it. If they ever shut down you can still install and play your games. It's just a manner of backing them up yourself.
>>341640269
>Steam ends
Nigga Valve makes money doing literally nothing, Sony will fail before Steam does.
>>341641079
They can. SCOTUS wills it.
You must solve all legal issues with them through arbitration or other means. Class action is barred as long as you agreed to the terms.
>>341641207
Gabe said they would release a small program of sorts to make all games run without steam if it did ever fail
>>341641340
[citation needed]
That's not in the ToS.
There is no doomsday or sunset clause on the slip you sign, so they'll do jack shit when it all goes tits up.
>>341641564
Literally EA Marketing leave now.
>>341641807
>implying EA has one, either
I want valveshills to fuck off
>>>/reddit/
>>341642027
EA Shill finding any reason to hate a superior service.
Valve do nothing but generosity.
>>341642190
>buttmad valvedrone sucking cock this hard
How can you hate EA? You have so much in common.
>>341642190
>>341642627
Both of you, jump off a cliff.
>>341639212
I'm sure your shitposting in this site while you got fatter and fatter has done a lot.
>>341642627
Typical EA Shill resorts to swearing and insults just look at this beasts mentality, even trys using obscene imagery in it's posts.
Your dirty tricks don't work on me boy!
>implying any consoles after the PS2 cannot ban you from playing
Daily reminder that if someday Sony or MS update their TOS and you disagree for whatever reasons, you won't be able to even boot your console
>>341642862
>this desperate stockholm syndrome steambabby
What if it's not EA?What if it's Sony?
>>341642862
EA as a company is pretty shit but at least their customer service doesn't speak to you in Russian and wait a month before getting back to you
gabe's cocksuckers getting absolutely itt. what a fantastic day.
>>341643290
>>341633481
Disney is now run by the jews. Hr is rolling in his grave
>>341633481
>destroying every industry they've touched
>and turned them into money printers
Why is Steam so based?
>>341632752
>Being an autistic kid who can't stfu or hacker
Get rekt kid.
>>341644343
Just because something is profitable doesn't mean it has increased in quality. I suppose you think Call of Duty is the best series ever because it sells so well?
>>341644343
>money > good will
>money > ascending humanity's limitations
I want Jews to leave.
I'm pretty sure the laws of a first world country are worth more than the terms and conditions of a fat asshole.
Even in burgerland you cannot be denied of your basic rights just by ticking a box and clicking continue.
Most people just don't want to make a lawsuit with a multi million dollar company.
>>341644782
>Even in burgerland you cannot be denied of your basic rights just by ticking a box and clicking continue.
see
>>341641307
Also OP.
Class action is not a basic right.
>>341636992
It's the same with console games, fuck Anon these corporations got the idea from the government.
You think you actually own the cash in your wallet? You only own the value but not the money itself.
>>341637369
Not true in the least
>>341644343
Becausing making millions on crappy products with planned obsolescence is such a great business model.
And this affects every sector of the economy at this point. So if you ever find yourself in a car crash, because some part was crap remember that it's till a fine product, because the company made lots of money of your dumb ass.And then you get to pay hospital bills, insurance and repairs as well :^)
>>341643376
The answer isn't even related to the question at all i can't tell if its fake or not but i would forward it to the customer support if you haven't already
this thread right now
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l3uO2lO9JDk
>>341633210
It taught us that no one wants kikes
>>341645218
Great argument, faggot
>>341633935
VAC bans presumably but that doesn't ban you from wll games
>>341644990
It's not a basic right but just because it's in the EULA doesn't mean jack shit.
As long as a judge does not deny your lawsuit you can. You think that if Steam wrote in their Terms and Conditions that they can charge you for 2 million dollars when Gaben has to eat lunch this makes it legal?
>>341639615
>literally making things up
>>341646078
The reason why it's in TOS is because SCOTUS set the precedent that consumers can't take class action against companies that had their clients / users sign a waver.
If Valve could legally charge its users millions of dollars under the pretense of buying some fatass lunch, they would.
>>341645596
I'd wager it's real
>>341632752
I was banned for MS fucking up BO1 LE codes. Theyre support is awful and won't let you speak to an adult about the issue. My 360 red ringed, I lost my games(not much at the time)
Bought an x1 for Halo Mcc, figured id give ms another chance over the ps4 because i like halo and gears, asked for a refund, 343 was blocking refunds in November, MS banned that account.
I sold my xbox 12 hours later on ebay.
I pirate windows now, fuck MS as a company.
>>341646573
Im sure you get the same result for any company because there is always some bad experiences with customer support i can vouch for that because i do work cutomer support and some people i work with are just horrible
>>341646038
Do you own your OS too? No you have a license to use them nothing more and at any time your license may be revoked
>>341647040
The OS is on my computer, i own that shit too
I couldn't care less about your assburgers made up definitions of ownership, if i have something then it's mine
>>341646410
I would argue that the agreement is exceedingly oppressive. Let's say you've bought games for 500 dollars over the course of 3 years on Steam. Suddenly Valve says; fuck consumer rights.
You can either accept the new conditions or you do not have access to the games worth 500 dollars. Now imagine you get banned for no reason with no chance to appeal.
Why anyone would buy their games with this vaporware is beyond me. Those are the same words I've already said 8 years ago.
>>341647040
>run Linux
>violate my own TOS
>get my license revoked by myself
>try to sue myself for losses or damages
>find others who have been wronged by me
>can't take class action against myself because I agreed to the TOS
wew
>>341647352
It's a good thing you're not a lawyer.
>>341647357
That's the point. Steam is a trap waiting to spring.
It may not have been designed as such, but in spite of all "good intentions", it functions that way and is in no way incentivized to change or be disarmed.
Just stay away from it.
>>341639946
If GoG goes you likely won't be able to download your games again but you can still play them.
If Steam goes the same will happen.
>>341647646
Good thing you aren't one either
>>341632752
I'll always buy my games on consoles as long as the system and games can be played out of the box without any internet connection whatsoever. I like to collect physical copies
the XB1 needs a 1 time internet connection so I refuse to support it.
>>341647379
>file a class action with 40 or 50 so other people
>can't file class action without a team of lawyers
>class action goes through and valve shells out a couple million
>Lawyer company takes most of it, and you end up getting like 300 dollars out of it
If you really think class actions are better for you, you're stupid
>>341647692
With the caveat that you cannot install or transfer Steam games without the client.
So good luck with playing your games when Microshit pushes a bad W10 update that fucks your installed games.
>>341640129
i believe, by default, offline mode is desactivated.
>>341647790
Nice argument, friendo
>>341646965
While you're right in that a lot of people are shit heads to customer service people, I'd still say steam is on a whole different level. Pic related. At least EA gets SOME positive feedback
>"EA customer service...not that bad"
>reddit post: "[origin] support was great"
>"is origin really as bad as they say?"
>>341648019
You're not my friend, pal
>>341647352
So if someone walks into your house and lifts something of yours, is it now theirs? Your argument is majorly flawed.
>>341647817
>class action
>get something out of it
>offending company is punished and sets precedent of consumer friendliness
>arbitration
>it's fucking nothing
>solo
>offending company draws out legal process to bleed you dry
>inevitably dry out and withdraw, wind up with thousands in legal fees
>offending company is unaffected and sets precedent of "fuck you"
Legal systems are fucked. Class action is all some of us can manage.
>>341645684
How can one animal be so based?
>>341648285
No, because he stole it
Are you retarded and trying to do "le epic gotcha" routine?
>>341648285
you can't make this up.
>>341648507
>if i have something then it's mine
But now he has it, so by your logic it's now his.
>>341648726
Nope, because he stole it
Try again faggot
>>341648813
But you said nothing about how it was aquired, you said if you have something it's yours. Stop moving the goalposts, you retard.
>>341648112
Surely, you're not my pal, buddy.
>>341648293
except class actions are way too abusable to be considered a form of "punishment" to any company.
Just not that long ago, a huge class action lawsuit was filed against Subway because someone who bought a sanwich there measured it and found that it wasn't exactly one foot long (for you eurocucks, a foot is roughly a third of a meter)
see, one little kink of class action, is that when one gets files, any and all potential "Victims" need to be contacted and given an opporotunity to jump in.
A class action against something as big as Subway or Steam or Facebook could easily gander over 20 people, each getting a payoff in the end of like 200 dollars. In the Subway case, the 10 people who started the case only got 500 dollars each, and the law firm essentially pocketed the rest
>>341636689
Then why have they been kicked out of every country throughout history?
>341648915
You're fucking retarded and pretending to act dumb about what stealing is because you're desperate to win an "argument", i'm removing the meme arrow because you aren't even worth a (You)
>>341649087
Would you rather it be the other way around?
>company pushes mass-update to budget medical platform
>causes numerous health complications in poor families
>families agreed not to take class action so must file independently
>nothing happens
>companies everywhere cut back on QA costs by not testing new updates for budget platforms
And the world is a better place, right?
>>341649069
You aren't my buddy, chum
>>341649384
>made a mistake
>too much of an arrogant cunt to admit it
>>341649504
You're not my chum, son
>>341643779
Oberyn's mouth appears to get wider each time the gif repeats. I don't know why
>>341633210
its just a meme, we like jews and we like you
>>341632752
>Valve's terms of service deny users the right to a class action lawsuit.
It's mostly because people actually assblasted enough by steam won't be able to afford a lawyer (as the lead plaintiff, anyway) to represent them.
Any lawyer worth their salt can get the judge to throw such terms back at the company's face.
>>341650289
They'd have to be a damn good lawyer to spit in the face of a scotus ruling.
>>341639946
>can you really trust them?
you dont need to trust them because they are obligated to make stuff available because you payed for it
not everyone is an bugerlandcuck like you guys
>>341642027
steam is supiriour
>>341650656
>they are obligated to make stuff available because you payed for it
They reserve the right to revoke your licenses and service at any time for any reason in any part of the world. If Steam shuts down, they just revoke your licenses and they're done (unless one of them is within the refund period, then you can refund it if Valve's Steam shell company isn't bankrupt).
>>341647352
there is a fine difference between having something in your hand or on your computer like you said and being an owner of said thing
>>341635752
If Gabe goes crazy then that is gonna mean huge losses for Valve.
>>341635959
>>341636957
If I remember correctly there was a case were hundreds of account got VAC'd in MW2, I think it was some sort of hacked lobbies that gave you some malware, I dont quite remember.
Anyway those bans got lifted after a while and each victim received a free copy of then new L4D2.
>>341651382
You wish, anti-steam shitposter.
They can't revoke people access, if they payed for the service, for no reason at all. They gonna have lawyers and the police up their ass from all over the world when they shut down and just run away.
>>341634025
Sauce.
