REGGIE BLOOMBERG INTERVIEW - NX IS NOT ABOUT SPEC
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>Lets them fight in red ocean
>We dont care about teraflop
Another Wii console in the making ...
>It's not about the specs or power
I'm sorry but it is Reggie. Don't start talking about content when you only bring 2 games to E3 and then starve Wii U users until next March.
Nintendo a shit
Who else is quitting Nintendo after Zelda?
>we're not competing again
3 times and it only worked once
Is the Wii U going to get a price drop any time soon? I want to pick one up and crack it but I don't want to spend $300 or get one used.
>>341627296
I hope Nintendo doesn't let this slide and give Reggie a good consult about how marketing works. If not then fire him for doing a poorly done job and to tell him to take his shit memes with him.
Very disappointing, really.
>>341627296
So after that Ubisoft report and this thing
Its 99% confirmed that we will have ourselves a new Wii
Whats its name /v/ ?
We will he realize multiplats are nearly just as important as exclusives? What's the point of creating a console only your company knows how to use?
The modern gamer just wants 1 machine to do all their gaming on, they don't want to buy NX + PC or NX + PS4, they just want 1 device.
> tfw Nintendo will bankrupt in your lifetime
>>341627296
what is the actual reason for nintendo hardware always being a gen behind power wise nowadays?
>>341627296
>NX IS NOT ABOUT SPEC
>We dont care about teraflop
They better fucking should care about it if they wan't to attract third party devoloper and with that actually selling their disgusting consoles
>>341628756
Wii U 2
screencap this because Nintendo is this fucking retarded
>>341628950
muh shekels
>>341628541
Why not quite now. There is literally no reason to keep supporting such an out of touch company
They either need new management or get out of consoles all together and become 3rd party for others
Nintendo has a better chance at surviving in the film industry than gaming
>NX is just an overclocked Wii U with a redesigned gamepad
>>341628950
Trying to not sell their console at a loss like everyone else because they know they're not gonna make that money back on software sales
THEY LEARNED FUCKING NOTHING
WHAT IS WRONG WITH THEM
>>341628794
they don't want nintendo consoles in general so why invest in them
seriously Nintendo could cure aids and wake you up with blowjobs in the morning and people would still call it kiddy shit
>>341627296
lmao she's in silicon valley s03e08
>>341627296
>it's about trying to trick normies into buying our overpriced, underpowered shit based on some hardware gimmick nobody wanted or uses.
>>341628756
WII 2 U
So it's not about specs, and it's clearly not about games since only one was shown for E3.
What is it about then?
>>341628541
Zelda BotW is the Last Nintendo product I'm ever buying. I was actually on the fence or not about the game till this E3.
TRYING TO ACHIEVE THE WII'S GIMMICK CRAZE AMOUNT OF SALES: VERSION 2
HEY YOU DUMB FUCKS NO ONE ENJOYED THE WII U IT WAS BORING AS FUCK JUST MAKE A NORMAL CONSOLE
>>341629040
>Underpowered piece of trash that costs $5 to make but they sell it at $399.
>Retards still buy it
Easy money
>>341627296
Nintendrones literally committing suicide right now.
>>341629345
Nintendo are saving all their games for the NX launch.
I will buy the NX at launch, the Wii U has had amazing games. Consistently polished and focused on gameplay, not cinematic snoozefests.
>>341628756
WiiUMee
You can kiss strong 3rd party support goodbye. With ports of popular Wii U titles in the works, there won't be BC.
Now it makes sense why they didn't want to show it off at E3
>>341628950
They got completely blown the fuck out back whenever they made stronger consoles than Playstation, then they got incredibly lucky with the Wii so now they're stubborn as fuck in thinking people want gimmicks instead of more powerful hardware. They can't understand they need third party support if they want to compete but if you don't have the hardware to run the latest CoD and shit you're immediately out of the race.
>>341629109
PS4 isn't being sold at a loss tho and its 5x more powerful than the wii u while costing like $50 more
>>341628756
New Wii U Wee Wario
>>341628541
I've bought every Nintendo console since the N64, I'm picking up BotW for the Wii U and calling it quits
>>341629539
You haven't even seen the NX or the new games yet, seems a bit early to state that.
For you Nintoddlers who defend this shit, better specs allow more room to work with for developers in terms of features, not just graphics. If specs didn't matter, the N64 would still be getting games. NX is just Nintendo being cheapskates who suck money out of the manchildren audience.
>>341629283
Wii LIE 2U
>>341628756
>From Wii 2U
Calling it now
>>341628541
Pretty much done with them now aside from 3ds piracy
>>341628950
They want the younger audience, which usually has parents buying them budget toys. They got lucky with the Wii gimmick, as a lot of idiots fell for the motion control bullshit which later turned out to just be waggling and people wised up to their shit. Now they're trying to cash back into that market and times have changed.
I notice that QoL stuff they made a huge song and dance about was never, ever brought up again.
So it won't be 6 teraflops and just be one mega flop?
>>341628982
these kiddies will buy the latest Mario game with no complaining.
>>341629478
Keep telling yourself that
>>341628950
They're not as big or technologically invested as MS and Sony, they can't risk or spend as much as them.
IT'S NOT FUCKING FAIR NINTENDO IS THE ONLY ONE THAT CARES ABOUT GAMES
>>341628515
>I'm sorry but it is
Hello underage, do you remember the Xbox and Gamecube?
>>341629478
>the Wii U has had amazing games.
It has a handful of good games, and mostly forgettable junk. It's one of the many reasons why the system failed.
>>341627296
Maybe they're referring to the 4K thing?
I seriously doubt the NX isn't on par with the original PS4.
>nintendo makes the NX because they want a more powerful system
>this comes out today
why the fuck is nintendo always so far behind hardware wise?
>>341629717
probably died with Iwata
I'm not joking, the new CEO probably dropped it to focus on his own strategy. Its a alpha - beta leadership thing
>>341628574
They could make a ps4 clone and it would still barely sell, and no one would buy COD on it over the others. Nintendo has a reputation for being kiddy shit that they will never escape
>>341629629
fuk no, of course better specs gives room to better graphic features, but thats about it, with talented programers and designers they can make a game a 10000 times better than any thing out now, you dont need state of the art graphics to make a game good, it only makes tame pretty and more expensive to make, thats all.
>>341629770
Kek
>>341629801
the Wii literally obliterate ps3 and xbox360.
They had their chance, and followed up with another gimmick console, and they are doing it again.
This is fucking embarrassing.
>>341627296
That ocean is red with Nintendo's blood. If they release a fucking Wii U 2 which is barely as powerful as the vanilla PS4 and X1, it's game over. 3rd party devs will fuck off yet again and all you'll be looking forward to is delayed first party releases every now and then.
Nintendo is a mess.
Nintendo is a waste.
Nintendo is a big fat mistake.
>>341629478
both the wii and the wiiU have no game thats better than 6/10
i just read through the whole wiiu library again and there is not a single game i would want to play.
same with the wii. i flashed it and thereby own the whole library but every single game is shit, even the first party ones.
all nintendo has are childish platformers without online support. sad
>>341629770
No, its gonna be flop
>>341629770
>Laughing cause that's fucking hilarious
>But fucking disappointed that it's fucking true.
>>341629849
If Nintendo cared about games they'll become a handheld and 3rd party software company and do what they do best. Nintendo has such good games but you have to purchase a useless piece of shit to play them which isn't worth it.
>>341629629
better specs also drive up developement costs and are the reason everything is a linear third person shooter now, because developing anything else is expensive as shit and takes too much fucking time
the console race is inflating budgets like crazy, everybody trying to outdo eachother will just end up in everybody killing themselves
we had good graphics during ps360, just take that and use the additional power on perfomance
Well, given that it's easier for low budget games to be developed for weaker hardware because they don't have to put so much attention to detail graphically, can the NX become the weeb console sort of like the Vita is?
>>341627296
>it's not about specs, it's about locking exclusives to antiquated hardware
NX threads will never stop being shitholes.
>NXfags unironically trusted Emily "Zelda will have a female Link" Rogers
>Nintendo has had 3 years into this gen to make something that can match xbox one and PS4
>Still comes up with under powered mario machine
>>341629986
Yet still they will sell that ancient hardware for $400
>>341627296
Not surprising at all. They have to sell the consoles with a profit so they are forced to make the specs garbage. Another blunder generation for Nintendo probably their last to be honest.
>>341630094
>This entire post
>>341629986
>forcing devs to waste time optimizing around weak hardware is a good thing
>>341628950
Because the graphics arms race is what literally killed video games thanks to it's ability to hilariously inflate development costs for no extra profit, resulting in the death of nearly every formerly great video game studio, and is why video games today suck balls, because every company has to play it safe in most regards so that they can turn a profit and not go bankrupt.
Nintendo tries to keep costs down by making hardware they can turn a profit off of so they can stay in business and not die out like basically everyone else has.
Of course, people will continue to cry "U-underpowered!", like you'd expect the massively moronic video game consumers would, and then eat up the actual remakes, remasters, rehashes, and samey games that come out on other platforms, which are also hilariously underpowered, because people that play and pay for video games frankly has no standards and will just follow the biggest marketing budget.
If it's not already painfully clear that basically every game ever made from here out will be on PC, then you should aquatint yourself with that knowledge and then pick the 1 console with the most/best exclusive games you want to play, as that's really all that matters in console land and ever will, as consoles are now mainly just PCs for babbies with I guess the exception of Nintendo's things.
>>341629629
No, in reality it allows devs to be as lazy as humanly possible because they can throw optimization out the window even harder than they already do
>>341630208
>we make gamers smile
yeah I smiled when I saw the textures in zelda
Another gen in last place for Nintendo then.
>>341628541
Not even gonna get zelda unless the dump rumors are true
>>341630184
Only if it has a feature that lets you rub animu girls
>>341628756
>ubisoft report
Explain
>>341629849
They haven't given a single fuck about anything but Mario, Zelda and Amiibos for years.
>>341627296
>We don't want to lose $5 billion despite selling 80 million consoles
And what, exactly, is wrong with this?
Hardware won't magically change demographics and spur millions and millions of people to suddenly buy AAA garbage on Nintendos platform.
Anyone who thinks selling an expensive console at a loss is a good idea for Nintendo is simply beyond fucking stupid. Western publishers want a certain demographic and better hardware will not make that market abandon Sony and MS overnight.
Sony and MS themselves aren't even doing it anymore because they lost billions on 360 and PS3, Xbone and PS4 are weak machines cause they both knew they couldn't pull off the "loss leader" model, it failed miserably for both of them. No one is ever going to make a powerful console again, it is simply not viable anymore.
>>341630327
So the controller will be like the Steam controller with more haptic feedback and pseudo nipples in the middle of the touchpads.
>>341628541
I've been done with Nintendo since the wii. It's pretty obvious that the nx or whatever the fuck they call it will fail and either Nintendo will be done or they will undergo a major overhaul. Even Nintendo's hardcore fans are jumping ship, what with the metroid and paper Mario business. Any way you look at it Nintendo's future doesn't look good
>>341630390
>70+ new IPs since the GC
>T-t-they only care about Mario and Zelda!
>>341629928
Nah. The complete lack of multiplats was the only thing keeping me from biting the bullet and getting a Wii U, and it looks like the same thing's going to happen to the NX. I'm not sure how big of a demographic I represent, but the demand certainly isn't non-existent.
>>341630294
They cry underpowered while playing at a silky smooth 24 frames per second.
>>341629856
flops with terrible exclusives?
>When pic reality becomes reality
Holy shit, i thought it was just a joke, but pic related will actually come true, that's just so sad.
IT ALL RETURNS TO NOTHING
I just want a console/handheld hybrid.
I could really not care less about the specs as long as I can play all the Nintendo games on 1 thing.
>>341629770
I'm not going to drop until it has my 6 teraflops. :o
>>341627296
Well fucking DUH Sony and MS just announced new consoles, one of which is 4x the power of the PS4. NX was started development in 2013, probably aiming for PS4 level tech.
What they're saying is they're not going to go back to R&D to show up the 6 teraflops Scorpio - a console which will be niche as fuck and underutilized. They're going to stick with the tech they've developed over the last 3 years.
I think Reggie is basically saying "We're not aiming for anything Gen 9, we're aiming for Gen 8 level"
>>341630541
I legitimately cannot tell if you have down syndrome or not.
>>341630405
>No one is ever going to make a powerful console again
>>341630405
xbone and ps4 were loss leaders, well at least the ps4 was but not since early 2014. The xbone is likely to still be sold at a loss because MS had to drop the price so much and bundle it with like 3 games in many cases
>>341629539
I've pretty much regretted my Wii U purchase since day one, no zelda, no metroid, no true 3D mario, no third party support, and Nintendo seems unlikely to admit their mistakes and change their company's direction
>>341630556
>Using a stream compressed stretched screenshot
lol
>>341630270
im not baiting, why does everyone say im baiting when i state my opinion? name me 5 good games on the wii and the wiiu?
the best wii games were tenchu, muramasa and madworld and all of them were 6/10s and could have run on a gamecube ( i have not played xenoblade i admit )
nintendo seriously made 2 dogshit consoles with insulting hardware in a row and because i bought them i could neither play games like demons souls, red dead redemption or bloodbourne or any RPG and had to play shitty remakes and waggling games with cute characters and no online support
FUCKING SHIT HELL; I DIDNT BUY THE WII U; I DIDN'T BUY THE §DS AND I DIDN'T BUY THE N§DS BUT FUCK;
if the NX Version of Zelda doesn't look three thousend two times better, I will probably buy the console, because the gameplay looks fun, but FUCKING SHIT still disappointed tho
>>341630405
Ohhhhhh the shilling
nintendon't defense forces riding in!
>>341628794
Multiplats aren't going to help them.
Multiplats at this point might as well just count as Sony exclusives. It's where 50-80% of their sales go.
>>341630684
Why is hardware power important when all the games on it are shit
>>341630720
meant for
>>341629614
>>341630529
>GC
How many new IP's, exclusive to Nintendo, there has been since Wii that ain't total shit?
I guess after the gamecube, nintendo just said fuck it even though the cube's only problem was its minidvd-rom drive. Sony and microsoft are playing ketchup with their console hardware as well, but to a lesser extent these days.
I'm done with nintendo, fucking done. Between the half assed localizations, region lock, antiquated hardware/online play, butchering of franchises, etc. I'm fed up. The wii u and 3ds are going to be my last nintendo purchases, and good fucking riddance.
Unless they really shape up with the nx, they can kiss my ass.
>>341630608
They just keep letting me down,letting me down, letting me down.
>>341628950
>Gen behind
Nigga they're not wanting to release a $700 brick like the Scorpio, they'll be on par with the PS4 - easy
>>341630727
>lol
go back to /r/
>>341630720
But the Wii U has the best game of the gen
>>341630294
Hardware doesn't force anyone to do anything, if the devs bloat their budgets like kojima productions did it's their own fault. Devs like vanillaware do just fine. What about the countless indie games on PC?
>hurr pc has infinite power
yet nobody is forcing anyone to use all that
>>341630368
https://mynintendonews.com/2016/06/15/ubisoft-says-nintendo-nx-will-recapture-wii-players-nintendo-addressing-family-market/
>>341630556
>mfw Nintendo kiddies actually thought the top pic was running on the Wii U
>>341630094
That's going a bit too far, but I kind of agree that if you're an adult male, the Wii doesn't offer much. I can play Xenoblade, Muramasa and FE Radiant Dawn on it, and that's about all the Wii games worth anyone's time. There's also MH3 but there's no point playing that over the other MH3 editions like MH3P on the PS3, PSP and emulatable on mid or low tier PCs. Even Muramasa is out if you have a Vita but I left it in because few people have one.
Sure, if you're a kid you can go for all the party games, Mario, Zelda, Pikmin whatever. But you most likely won't care about those if you're a bit older.
>>341629770
SAVAGE
>Reggie admitting NX is low powered while refusing to say it's a home console
>/v/ is too stupid to realize NX is a portable device
>>341630541
GC was profitable, XB was a financial flop.
Hardware doesn't mean sales. Wii dominated while PS3 floundered, PS2 crushed while GC/XB sold like garbage. Every handheld that went up against Nintendos decade-old hardware was slaughtered.
>>341630738
>name me 5 good games
Why would I do that when you're going to be a nigger and call them shit anyway? I can literally do the same thing for any shitty game you'll name. So what would be the point of that? Son, are you a retard?
>>341630738
The best games on the Wii were the ones you played with friends.
You DO have friends, don't you anon?
>>341630883
NX isn't even stronger than the xbone.
It might not even be half it's power
>>341631018
NX is a platform son, a console and a handheld.
>>341630952
The market forces you do it because people just want a shinier toy, even if it's worse in functionality than the ones that came prior.
If a major studio came out with a game that's fun to play, but looks dated, people will just shit on it and it will flop, bankrupting the studio.
>>341628756
Wii2 ("wee two")
>>341629770
HOLY SHIT NINTENDO BABYS ON SUICIDE WATCH
>>341630283
thats why all the games everybody loves are remembered to thisd ay thanks to the graphics right?, oh wait.
its the fault of you fucking graphics whores that now a days all we get are fucking games with pretty graphics and no fucking substance
>>341631201
>The market forces you do it because people just want a shinier toy, even if it's worse in functionality than the ones that came prior.
"no"
One of the most successful games ever have been indieshit like undertale and hotline miami.
>>341628541
If anything, now would be a good time to invest in Nintendo since clearly the non-handholding game being the most popular game of E3 will show them that they don't need to cater to sheltered people.
All they need to do is make compelling experiences that get people interested in playing their games.
>>341631018
There's no way an underpowered handheld can run Zelda BoW
>>341627296
Is Nintendo fucking retarded? It's not about the specs, it's about the content? But 3rd party developers won't put content on your system if the specs are shit. It's too much work to port them if they have to downgrade the shit out of their game for it to work on the NX when porting from PS4 or Xbox1 versions.
It's too late, though. They can make a super powerful system if they want, but anyone who gives a shit has already gotten a PS4 or Xbox. No one will buy an NX no matter what. They've pissed off Nintendo fans with the Wii-U and are too late to attract anyone else. They done fucked up. RIP.
>>341629770
Well memed
>>341627296
>It's not about specs!
It is when your console struggles to run your own games and it can't run most current gen titles
>Xenoblade looks like crap
>Zelda will has and will still have framerate issues even at launch
>Pokken is a fuzzy mess and it's a goddamned fighting game
>StarFox supposedly had issues with graphics and framerate when it came to the gamepad
>horse p-power
What was it that he really wanted to say but couldn't?
FUCKING KEKE
>>341630684
>There's no reason we can't sell 1 billion Xbones!
Come back when we see actual specs.
If MS is in fact going to sell this new Xbone at a loss (and they'd have to if it's anywhere near that powerful) then they're going to lose money, again. That's my point, loss-leading with hardware doesn't work anymore. Nintendo is not MS, they can't afford to lose $3 billion on their console.
>>341630690
They are both sold at a gain, nothing close to what they tried with PS3/360 that were sold at a loss for years. That's why they're so weak, they knew they could not pull another PS3/360 and lose a collective $8 billion. PS4 may have sold at a tiny loss at launch but Sony themselves said they made money on each unit sold not long after, similar to the Wii U.
>>341631304
Those games aren't making enough money to support a major development team.
They're successful because a handful of guys made the games in their basement, but if they were a fully formed studio with a mid-large staff level they would be out of business day 1.
>>341630727
>compression deletes vegetation, removes lighting, lowers polygon count
Also the uncompressed shots are in and, surprise surprise, it still looks like shit because compression only affects resolution you idiot
Fuck off with your autistic inability to see differences.
>>341629770
HOLY SHIT
>>341631021
and PS4 simply obliterate everyone, destroying thr xbone and wii so hard that they forced them to make 8th gen consoles.
Based sony.
>>341631362
3rd party games are all on PC though, so who cares
>>341630762
>Sonyponies still ass-blasted Nintendo won E3 with ONE GAME
>>341631362
I hope NX users are ready to play 2 games every 3 years then because no third party support again.
>>341630965
>family market
Literally doesn't exist anymore
Goddamn nintendo are so inept and out of touch it almost seems deliberate
>>341630840
>that ain't total shit
I'm not going to bother listing games because you already made it clear you're just going to call them shit.
>>341628515
>I'm sorry but it is Reggie.
Are you going to be surprised when Scorpio is the most powerful console but doesn't sell the best?
>>341631362
It's not about horsepower. Early on every multiplat was on the Wii U including hilarious ports of COD/Medal of Honor. The problem is that it became clear that people only bought the really casual Wii games.
To this day the Wii still remains one of the most profitable platforms for Just Dance.
>>341630168
>but you have to purchase a useless piece of shit to play them which isn't worth it.
you have to do that when they are 3rd party too
>>341631602
And all they literally did is not fuck up the launch, they didn't even have a decent exclusive until a year later.
>>341628541
Only because I already own a Wii U. Definitely not buying whatever the NX is, fucking waste. Might as well enjoy their last decent game, they're definitely going bankrupt in the next 2 years when that shit fails.
>>341629928
Free online and the same multiplats would be a system seller for most.
It wouldn't beat the PS4 but it could be competing with the Xbox atleast in sales.
>>341631602
>Based
I will never understand the sony shills that now claim paying to play online is a good thing. Then again, these are the same humans that pay for things twice, so I shouldn't be surprised.
>>341631536
>PS4 may have sold at a tiny loss at launch but Sony themselves said they made money on each unit sold not long after
PS4 was profitable with the purchase of one game or an extra controller at launch, and turned a profit on the base system all by itself within a couple months.
>>341631047
yes but we looked throught he library and found nothing except platformers, party games and light gun shooters.
i cant think of a single game that had local multiplayer. i remember having fun for some days with the goldeneye multiplayer, which is decent game ( forgot to name it in my previous post ) even though its a reskinned CoD it worked on the wii cause the wii had 0 good FPS games. the game although was so barebone you couldnt even votemap or add people as friends.
i really though skyward sword could save the console but that game was insulting
>>341631029
no im seriously interested. i have 0 interest in w101, bayo2, splatoon or any remakes though
>>341630283
>wanting day one patches
>>341631029
Not that anon but honestly I can't think of 5 aaa single player games on the wii and wii u combined which is all I want from nintendo IPs
I know this is a thread for shitting on Nintendo and I don't entirely agree with Reggie but I can see the point.
If you're making consoles the whole effort to prove you have the biggest hardware is moot when compared with what a well built PC can do. Granted it allows normies and the less tech inclined to play games but when talking real specs and not just box buzzwords it makes more sense to build a PC that would be good for 2-3 console generations over buying those consoles or being an idort. The only thing consoles have going for them are exclusives, which falls under that whole competition thing.
When you have to compete with another company you have to compete against their hardware, release times, exclusives, pr, etc. This led to some sour spots, things timed exclusives and a lot of games that where reworked to compete with other exclusives or AAA standards.
If Nintendo does their own thing they can do whatever the fuck they want. They can only blame themselves if shit goes bad, but they also have a strong brand name and exclusives (outside of piracy).
Sony and Microsoft have taken the old role of Nintendo and SEGA while Nintendo is some nebulous third thing. They aren't doing bad as we know they're planning on some doing some stuff with Universal and since their production costs are low they don't lose tons on dead stock.
If you want to abandon Nintendo I fucking understand, I do. Sony and Microsoft have good offerings that aren't just walking sims and it's also good to have competition. I gotta say this e3 wasn't too bad.
>>341631663
Not him, but isn't this a reddit meme?
Don't tell me people actually thin nintendo won anything. Every single pol is Sony>Micro>nintendo, except for the 4chan pol witch is sony>nintendo>micro
>>341631817
No one bought those games on Wii-U because no one is going to buy the shittiest version of a game. That's why Xbox is doing worse than PS4.
>>341631839
Not if they make their games on all systems including PC.
>>341631602
And PS4 is horribly underpowered and can barely do 1080/30fps, it's games people care about.
>>341631652
People who are too poor or too casual to buy high end PCs, and those who want more exclusives that aren't made for five-year-olds. You know, all the dozens of millions of people who did not buy a Wii U but bought an Xbone or a PS4.
If the NX is about as powerful as the xbone/ps4, there's no reason they couldn't get stronger 3rd party support, even after scorpion/ps4k come out. Games that come out for scorpion will still have to be able to run on the xbone, so in theory they should be able to run on NX too. But the NX still won't get support because 3rd party devs have an irrational hatred on Nintendo.
Good ole ractionnary garbage, gotta love it.
I especially love the ''i was always a big fan but now i'm not'' transparent shitposters
It's really interesting that year and years of good marketing have created a "Higher Number = Higher Quality" instinct in consumers.
Graphics seems to be the only aspect that absolutely must improve in a quantifiable way that I can show on a graph, or it's instantly trash tier.
>>341631965
>>341631931
>No seriously, I'm interested
>I honestly can't think of
You're both bullshitting that you are "seriously interested" and you know goddamn well. You shouldn't expect anyone to answer you seriously either.
>>341631969
>If Nintendo does their own thing they can do whatever the fuck they want.
But that only worked for the Wii
>>341629478
Why do you feel obligated to buy a console on fucking day 1? WHY??
Can anyone fucking explain this?
>>341628756
PiiPoo
>>341631863
>Free online and the same multiplats would be a system seller for most
No, it wouldn't. People will just keep playing on PS4 because that's where the community is. The demographics for AAA multiplats are not with Nintendo, period. Porting PS4 games won't do anything positive, people will just buy them for PS4.
>"It's not about specs"
>The Wii U lost all third party support because the specs were way weaker and different from the competition and it wasn't worth making a separate version of every game for it
>Making this same mistake again and expecting a different outcome
>>341631867
>Paying for online is not a good thing, and i hate it very much.
Regardless it is still the fastest selling console of all time, and the objectively obliterated it's competition out selling 2 to 1, and 4 to 1 with the wiiu
Sony played their cards right, and in it they literally forced an early next gen.
>>341632031
>People who are too poor or too casual to buy high end PCs
Who cares about the poor?
>>341631976
>Every single pol is Sony>Micro>nintendo
Dude stop. Sony didn't even beat Microsoft. The only people that think Sony did anything was those who want to see Kojima stick it to Konami.
Meanwhile the best games at E3 were Zelda and Forza Horizon 3.
>>341632129
You sound butt blasted. Nintendo doesn't make aaa single player games anymore besides zelda and Mario. Shit like eternal darkness will never exist again. Most of nintendo IPs are shelved in favor of shoveling party games down out throats. What do you get out of defending that shit?
>>341628756
New Wee Wee
>>341632038
The hatred isn't irrational. Nintendo ask them to polish their games, and then those games have to compete with Nintendo 1st party. It's pretty obvious why 3rd party shit like Ubi and EA prefer to go with the barren, high power retarded masses of PS4/Xbox
>>341631976
Sonyponies still mad, it seems.
>>341632319
Anyone who wants their console to sell.
>>341627296
>we're a content focused company
Then stop making hardware, and solely focus on content.
>>341632345
>Sony didn't even beat Microsoft
lmfao
console turds are so dumb
>>341627296
Does Nintendo realize every time they say this shit they lose investors?
You can't quantify gameplay, and talking about how shit your graphics are going to be before you finish your product isn't productive in the slightest.
REMOVE THE OLD GUARD.
KOIZUMI FOR PRESIDENT
>>341632214
corporation loyalty, you have to have a deluded amount of it to still put up with Nintendo's shit.
>>341628515
>I'm sorry but it is Reggie
Pic related, the highest selling console of all time, and the weaker of it's gen.
It's all about accessibility, marketing/word of mouth and a nice library.
>>341632031
>exclusives that aren't made for five-year-olds
Video games are for children, anon. My 8 year old cousin and apparently all his friends have PS4s, so does that make them children's games?
>>341632302
Can you guess how i can tell that you never had a console before the 7th gen?
>>341632189
Which was the previous gen for them. The Wii U is just a beefier Wii, and while it probably wasn't the best move it was good for a consumer like me who didn't get a Wii but still wanted an in-between.
>>341632302
DEMOGRAPHICS
NOT
HARDWARE
YOU
MORON
>>341632453
Or that it had a very good feature like being a cheap dvd player
>>341630783
lazy devs
>>341627296
As long as it is able to run multiplats it should do fine. Wii U is weak as fuck and they managed to make some good looking games like Mario Kart and Smash, with a lttle more power their first party titles should look great.
I'm more worried about what will the gimmick be, it doesn't have power so VR is out of the question.
>>341628756
WeePee
>>341632028
No, the ps4 is THE strongest console to ever be released.
The wii U is horrible under powered.
No matter how weak the ps4 is, everyone else is weaker, this is the objective truth.
>>341632345
I'd expect an answer like this from an autistic person
It will take one hell of a launch window line up to get me interested in an NX.
>Super Mario Galaxy 3
>A new RPG Mario game
>Metroid Prime by Retro
>Mario Party 11 that is like the old ones, complete with online and board editor
>Super Mario Maker 2 with slopes
>Pikmin 4
>F-Zero that runs in 1080p/60fps
Give me at least 3 of these and I'll be happy.
He kind of has a point though, I just want some cool games, why should I give a fuck about teraflops, ram or gpus?
I do since I'm a pcfags, but still, why should I give a fuck about how many bits I'm transferring.
>>341632426
>Does Nintendo realize every time they say this shit they lose investors?
The amount they lose isn't worth talking about, especially when more will hope on soon enough to see if they can make some money on the NX's launch.
>>341631931
>i have 0 interest in w101, bayo2, splatoon
>"Don't mention the systems best games BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO HEAR ABOUT IT"
alright anon
>>341632402
Mad at what? Polls that validate them?
>>341632520
And the WiiU has bombed. They tried to catch lightning in a bottle twice and failed not understanding what makes a tablet good
And the wiiu actually has followed the general down turn that nintendo consoles have faced. This plan is not a good one
>>341632412
>Selling something to people who has no money.
Nice logic. You should start a business.
>>341632510
That's just idiotic. Most of the "flagship" games are made for older teens and adults.
>>341631697
not like the situation is any different on the others consoles. I mean what the fuck is everybody playing, all the lists are still largely games that haven't released it
I had a bad feeling Nintendo was going to try to make the NX the Wii 2 (only this time, it will fail).
>>341632416
By content they mean amiibos and Mario kart
>>341632453
so fucking tired of this meme
the ps2 was a great console but the reason it moved so many units was because it was a super cheap DVD player. Like, cheaper than dedicated dvd players.
>>341632728
No they're not, they're just marketed that way to appeal to children, which are the real consumer base of console games.
>>341631540
Wait, so you not only think that's the same area in the game but you also think you can tell the difference in polygons in either image? Are you a genuine retard?
>>341632453
It also came out a year before its two main competitors (GameCube and Xbox) and was practically a cheap DVD player at a time DVD players were expensive.
>>341632597
PS3 wasn't too far behind PCs at the time it was released. PS4 is so laughably far behind PCs today it's hard to actually laugh at it.
You might have the fastest bicycle out there but you're still getting smoked by that dude over there in his car when you used to be competitive with him when he had a horse.
>>341632345
Stop lying to yourself.
Zelda is a became a poorly made generic open world game, and forza is shit no one cares about, here are actual pols from multiple sources.
Just google e3 2016 pols right now if you need to.
>>341632715
I already have. You should finish your elementary education though.
>>341632690
Nintendo stock is currently plummeting
>>341628541
If I quit Nintendo, I quit videogames.
I grew up with the SNES and had every Nintendo system after, retroactively playing the NES. I had other systems too, the Ps1 and the Ps2 and the original Xbox and the Dreamcast, but Nintendo has been my anchor in the industry because I relied on them for quality shit. Even this generation I've heavily enjoyed the Wii-U but if they shit themselves in the near future like I think they're going to, I guess it really is finally over.
This gen I've owned a Wii-U, Xbox One, and Ps4. Sold the Ps4 because all it has to play is shovelware and weebshit. Kept the Xbox One because it has a few good titles I like, but if it wasn't supplemented with the Wii-U, I'd be blowing chunks over the stagnation of this industry right now.
Everything else is turning to garbage. If Nintendo is out, you might as well go full /vr/ or suffer.
>It's about content
What fucking content?
Rehashes and shitty spin offs nobody asked for?
Good Lord they're shooting themselves on the foot.
>>341631969
>If Nintendo does their own thing they can do whatever the fuck they want
You do realize they can only do "whatever the fuck they want" because they milk the fuck out of their already dwindling fanbase? Unless whatever gimmick the NX is built around will blow normie minds it's going to bomb even harder than the WiiU.
>>341632645
If you're buying a console at launch, much less expecting a fantasy wish list day 1, then you're the one with the problem here.
>>341632908
>Jumping straight into baseless insults
Your education is serving you well it seems.
>>341632707
>Most talked-about game at E3
>Didn't win
Pick one.
Sony had CG trailers, games they "won" with last year and then raped Crash and Kratos on stage.
>>341632709
And hopefully they'll turn it around. I'm not too excited for the NX all and all.
I'll wait till there's some actual news on it. Keeping silent on shit is bad for speculation sake.
>>341632871
They're marketed that way and they are rated that way because they are that way. I watched Alien when I was 9 years old because it was the cool thing to do but it doesn't make it a child movie.
>>341633015
This, nintendo fanboys even bought fucking sticker star
>>341632302
>The Wii U lost all third party support because the specs were way weaker and different from the competition and it wasn't worth making a separate version of every game for it
Well not only weaker but using a PowerPC architecture when every game engine is designed for x86 today.
>>341632715
You understand game companies sacrifice specs for price point to reach a larger market share, right? You must have at least some grasp of the most basic fundamentals of economics
>>341632709
The problem with the Wii U is that tablet technology advanced so quickly in like the 2-3 years the system was in development that it totally outclassed what would have been a cool feature.
What would have been novel 1 year was totally outdated the next, and that's just a risk you take with technology like that, especially now that the rate of advancement is so rapid.
>>341632304
>Regardless it is still the fastest selling console of all time
This can't be accurate. The current 8th generation needs to sell another ~70 million console units just to match the 5th generation [PS1, Saturn, N64]. Even if all 70 million came from PS4 it would still be lower than PS2 sales.
>>341633015
Enjoying your $60 f2p shooters and $50 season passes?
>already confirmed that the NX will be backwards compatible with the Wii U
>the console after that will probably have NX backwards compatibility too
Why are there still don't people who skip Nintendo gens?
So basically Nintendo is going to try and recapture the Wii audience again (even though mobile/facebook games has them by the hook) by releasing an underpowered console with a unique control scheme.
They're definitely not going to capture any "hardcore" market when the PS4 Neo/Project Scorpio will mean that people get a much more powerful and visually gorgeous horsepower console that's still compatible with their old games and controllers.
And they're likely going to repeat the problem of NoA marketing the console to kids, completely fucking misunderstanding what made the DS and Wii so goddamn popular was their marketing to all audiences and not children.
Who is this for?
Nintendo's trying to capture a "blue ocean" market.
What is a blue ocean market?
Fuck if Nintendo knows.
>>341633092
They literally are not that way because the main consumer market for games is extremely largely under 18, and most of them are not at the latter end of that scale.
What does it matter if it's not worse than the Wii U in specs? Like if it's not actively dropping the gen's specs, I don't get what's the difference.
>>341633067
How is it baseless when you write shit like "people has" and can't understand that keeping production costs low to sell to a lower common denominator can be very profitable? You're either developmentally stunted or didn't receive basic education. I generously assumed it's the latter. Is it not?
>>341633183
The ISA doesn't matter anywhere near as much as you think it does.
>>341632903
>Stop lying to yourself.
I'm not. The most talked about game was Zelda by a wide margin. The second most was like Battlefield 1, which had half the mentions. Microsoft created a lot of buzz with their consoles, and Forza Horizon is a stellar series.
>>341633015
I never said it was good for the user base. But allowing freedom from comparison can allow for a good shot at innovation or it could just have them spinning their wheels more. It looks like the former but with new blood in the offices it could change for the better. Not will, but could.
Pain is a good teacher afterall and if they get a swift kick to the bottom line or their name it might get them moving back in a good direction.
>>341633267
The wiiu tablet was outdated from the get go, it always looked like a cheap fisher price toy and just seem to fundamentally not get what people like about tablets especially cause it has to be used with the wiiu
>>341632884
>PS3 wasn't too far behind PCs at the time it was released.
Someone who just started playing games a few years back.
Anon, quit pulling shit out of your ass when you can easily get fact check, pcs have always been way stronger than consoles by the same margine.
Your at the point where you can't even argue about your shitty console cause it's objectivly weak that you make shit up about the how strong the pc was in 2006.
The pc has been getting stronger literally every other month, a new stronger system etc, they don't proggress at the same pace as consoles.
No one is arguing that consoles are better than pc.
Nice fucking try though, but it's a simple fact the ps4 is the greatest console of all time(fastest selling as well), stay mad.
>>341630883
Even if the NX is as powerful as a PS4, it will be nothing compared to the NEO & SCORPIO.
>>341633280
It sold the fastest at launch but it's tracking behind both Wii and PS2. 8th gen will have lower total sales than 5th gen unless PS4 manages to move well over 110 million units, the market is contracting.
>>341633369
Personally, i have disposable income from working.
I assume it's the case for most people outside of /v/
>>341632964
>Nintendo stock is currently plummeting
>Down by .8%
HOLY SHIT DUDE.
>>341632873
You can see the difference in assets you unbelievable retard holy hell.
Do you think some areas of the game have static lighting and simplistic assets while other parts of the game will have dynamic lighting and power hungry assets and geometey?
>>341633435
I didn't think it mattered that much but its just another thing third parties would have to accommodate for to boost performance.
>>341633443
You realise that that included company accounts and it was the only thing nintendo had to talk about so the only thing they and fanboys posted?
That gap is not reflected anywhere else
>>341633443
Zelda was only the most talked about because it's a 40 year old series that everyone knows about, the rest of the games on that list haven't even been a series for half that time.
In addition, a lot of the talking came from people who don't even play video games nor will they care when this poorly made mess releases.
Just give up man, it's over.
>>341628541
I pretty much play on PC+PS4 these days and sometimes with 3DS
I think i will still get their handheld consoles because we are getting bretty good JRPG's like Bravely Second or DQ VII
Nintendo home consoles? Nope.
>>341629928
They didn't always have that reputation, though. It's all about projecting the right image.
In the 80s and 90s Nintendo projected a very different imagine to the Disney-lite of today.
It'd take some work to shed that now, but it wouldn't hurt to try.
>>341633053
Fantasy list? lol. The line up better be fucking fantastic since it'll have been 3 years since they put out another game besides Starfox and Mario Maker. They better be working on some awesome stuff or they're dead.
I really hope they aren't putting all their eggs in one basket by putting Zelda on NX. No one is going to buy an NX for that shit.
>>341632645
>Any of those
>Ever happening
lol
Good luck with that.
>>341632873
You can't make this shit up.
>>341633653
>All this damage control
Who do you think was wowed by Sonys CG trailers and Dad of War? Oh, right, people who don't actually like and play games.
All these Sony twats shitposting in Nintendo threads, I swear to god I have never met anybody angrier than a Sony customer, they are mad constantly, they wake up mad at Nintendo and Microsoft, and they go to bed even madder.
>>341633748
More like good luck to Nintendo.
>>341633524
We'll have to wait and see how well Neo and Scorpio end up selling before we can ascertain how negative that would be for Nintendo.
If Neo and Scorpio are slow to take off and every game is still being built with the base consoles in mind, then it doesn't seem like it would be much of an issue.
>>341633076
Everyone on twitter is complaining about links gender.
Also discussion of the one game is much less than the combined discussion of other companies games so there's really no way to rationally believe nintendo won anything without jumping through logical hoops the way an autistic drone would
>>341628950
they're probably still following gunpei yokoi's design philosophy, which was good in the 80's and 90'S but not so much now
>>341632979
>Sold the Ps4 because all it has to play is shovelware and weebshit. Kept the Xbox One because it has a few good titles
I don't know if idiot or subtle troll.
>>341632129
>>341632695
i have no idea why anyone would enjoy those game for longer than a weekend and if these are the systems best games then it only proves my opinion as correct
platinum games especially are repetitive dogshit and i played them all except vanquish
maybe i just grew out of nintendo but im just not interested in cute games targeted at children anymore.
as the other guy said, i want something like eternal darkness again or any other game that feels like it has depth and scale
IT'S FUCKING DEAD
NINTENDO'S DEAD
GODDAMNIT WHY
WHYYYYYYYYYYYYYY
>>341627296
Reggie Reggie Reggie.. you need to keep your console's power up to speed with your competitors or you will lose 3rd party support and you will be last place again.
>>341633267
No, the problem with the Wii U tablet is that they tried to make it a fucking gimmick.
There is nothing inherently wrong with a second screen, so long as you're using it to reduce screen clutter/hopping.
In XCX, it's pretty much just the map, and it works great. But then in other games they do shit like add gyro to it, or make it something you also need to pay a significant amount of attention too in addition to the main screen, and that's where it fails.
>>341633775
>muh boogeyman
you're pathetic, you're like those intersectional feminists trying to ally yourself with other "victim" groups to make yourself feel better
fuck off
>>341633820
Hilarious
>>341633394
there's rumors that it'll only go up to 900p
>>341633015
>because they milk the fuck out of their already dwindling fanbase?
how are those season passes treating you?
>>341627296
>Another Wii
100 million install base is exactly what they're hoping for.
You can't expect to sell last gen's hardware without a convenience gimmick.
>>341633772
It's not damage control, it's a simple fact.
Point is zelda looks terrible and has shallow gameplay, all and any hope that then nx would improve that have been dashed by the fuser himself.
It's over.
>>341633867
>relaxing
Not even once.
>>341633304
At least both of those will be $30 after a couple of months. Nintendo games take literally years to be under $60.
>>341633379
Oh really? Show me your source for this regarding games rated T or M. The ESA association shows the average age statistic for players is 35 years old for 2015, notice how far that is from the stupid thing you claim, and that is still without filtering it for teen and mature rated "core" games.
>>341633775
Can you blame them?
After 3 years, they've only got 2 good games to rub together, and 1 of them is an enhanced port.
>>341633369
>already confirmed
you people need to stop making shit up
>>341633593
Down 2 percent today alone. Consistent downward trend the last 10 days
>>341633919
Nope, Sony buyers are always the ones shitposting in other console/ PC threads, it is never anyone else, I have never encountered anyone more bitter than a Sony fan. And you telling me to 'fuck off' just proves me right.
>>341633982
Aonuma already confirmed better graphics so...
>>341633859
I'm dead serious. Ps4 had practically nothing that interested me.
I beat Bloodborne twice and dropped it, which sort of disappointed me, and then all my Ps4 did was sit there and collect dust until I decided to get rid of it.
>>341628756
Wiii
>>341627296
i wonder how reggie feels knowing he's running the company into the ground
>>341627296
What kind of answer were you expecting? He completely sidestepped the question and made it about Nintendo rather than their competitors.
I'm not saying the NX will have better specs than the PS4 or XBone, but what did you expect him to say?
"Our console has better specs than Sony and Microsoft."
That would invite a lot of media attention and scrutiny, and divert from their Zelda coverage.
>>341633497
>ps4 is the greatest console of all time
Not much of an accomplishment when PC's outperform them in every way.
>>341633648
>You realise that that included company accounts
Companies don't run that many accounts.
>That gap is not reflected anywhere else
Professional grade analytics is inferior to random polls most people don't vote in? Ok.
It doesn't matter if it's not as powerful as the scorpio. All that matters is that it finally fucking plays multiplats.
>>341627296
The NX will try to catch up with the regular Bone and PS4's power, not with Scorpio and Neo.
But as long as devs will keep supporting the regular PS4 and Bone models, they have no excuse not to make NX games too.
>>341634105
he says while being a bitter shitposter
>>341634108
Better? It's already fucking shit, it isn't getting much better nigga, currently 720p 30 fps, nx confirmed to be weaker than xbox, probably won't even hit 900p.
Nintendo will first try to do universal 1080p 60FPS because they can't have that with the Wii U.
Did you expect the NX to play in 4k or something? Obviously not.
So nothing out of the ordinairy here
>>341633603
How can you see anything in that bottom compressed to hell and stretched screenshot? Am I actually talking to a mouth breather right now?
>>341629770
Can't wait to post this hilarous line on /r/4chan :)
Bravo sir, bravo.
>>341632453
>It's all about accessibility, marketing/word of mouth and a nice library.
And the Wii U has none of them.
>>341633931
You don't sound desperate at all
>>341633261
>You understand game companies sacrifice specs for price point to reach a larger market share, right?
Do you actually think "reaching a larger market share" means selling consoles to poor people? No. It means providing justifiable price point for people who usually doesn't play games or whose purchase largely depends on the price point. It has nothing to do with selling shit to poor people.
If said console is 500$ and if I think it is not worth giving 500$ to the said console, this doesn't mean I can't afford the console. It means the console doesn't justify it's price tag. If the console was better, or the price was cheaper I might have bought it.
Suppose I'm poor, no matter how good a 500$ console is, I can't afford it. If it is 300$, I probably still won't be able to afford it. Let's say it is 200$ because the company is trying t target poor people, then I'll buy the console but won't be able to buy many games or accessories or shit for it. So it is not a viable strategy to target me.
If you are earning money, and playing vidya has a serious entertainment value for you, it is natural to go for the best option instead of bargain shopping. Best option is not the consoles, its Pc.
Again, who cares about poor people. The relevant people are casual buyers who are not willing to spend too much money on stuff. If you are casual, fuck off. If you are not casual and want to have a serious gaming experience. If you are poor, then fuck off and get a job.
>>341634138
It is THE accomplishment cause pc's aren't consoles you fucking idiot.
>>341631362
dont forget about the online infrastructure for multiplayer games, and DLC.
Nintendo is still in the fucking 90's on that regard
>>341634295
Uh, none of that is confirmed
>PC gamers talk about their vastly superior hardware
>"It's not about performance! Only faggot manchildren care about frames per second! REAL gamers just want to play games!"
>Nintendo take a similar stance
>"LMAO FUCKING KEKS CAN'T WAIT TO SEE YOU GO BANKRUPT LOSERS I'LL JUST BE OVER HERE ENJOYING MY NEXT GEN GRAPHICS AT ONE THOUSAND AND EIGHTY PEE"
Sonygs
>>341634186
>there are people who still think multiplats are about power
They're about market. Nintendo fans don't buy multiplats, so they won't bother wasting money on a port that won't sell.
If there was a market, third parties would port to just about anything, including iPhones.
>>341629770
>>341634336
The ps4 and xbone can't even do 1080p 60fps, at most 900p 60fps on ps4, and some hedious shit on xbone.
Nx confirmed to be weaker than xbone.
JUST
>>341634346
You gonna extract... him?
>>341634097
>Down 2 percent today alone.
At this very moment most sites report .6 to .8% with Nasdaq and Google Finance reporting around 1% drop. I have no idea where you are getting 2%.
>>341633681
No, they showed a pretty kid-friendly image in the 80's and 90's, because video games were largely the realm of kids at the times.
>>341634147
>Companies don't run that many accounts.
Yes they do, Nintendo have at least 6 and when all they have to talk about is Zelda that bumps up the figures
> random polls
So someone looking what people have posted counts when tehy could have just said I like zelda ten times, but an actual poll doesn't?
Or even just comparing youtube views?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CJ_GCPaKywg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1rPxiXXxftE
>>341627296
New Wii U X will be the name. Nintendo is fucking dead!
>>341627296
Did the interviewer laugh in his face? If not there's no reason to watch the interview. Until people blatantly start laughing directly in the faces of people who work for Nintendo, nothing will change. To them if you just nod your head that means you're enthralled and love their product even if in reality you're dumbfounded and pissed.
Nintendo already tried most powerful console onceit didn't go very well
>>341630094
>both the wii and the wiiU have no game thats better than 6/10
>>341633820
>Everyone on twitter is complaining about links gender.
moral of the story : stop getting hyped by literallywho pretending they have "sure leaks" on neogaf
>>341633304
>>341633974
>"limited" overpriced on-disc dlc in form of Amibos
>games stay full-price for years
>50$ hardware sold for hundreds of dollars
>LELEL BUT SEASON PASSES
Instead of 6 teraflops, it will be one giantflop
>>341634003
Because people stop buying and playing them. Western AAA games plummet in price because they sell like 80% of the copies they ever sell in the launch window and there are millions and millions of copies in circulation. They often have tons of DLC, online-only MP and a relatively short campaign for one person. These games drop in price because people play once, trade in and move on, they have no staying power and consumers are conditioned to drop the game for whatever the next big AAA game is.
Look at Witcher 3, it sold the majority of its copies right away in first couple months. Now look at just about any current Nintendo game. MK8 has sold 7 million copies but most were long after it released, not right in its launch window. Same for Smash, Splatoon, etc. Nintendo games sell slowly over time.
>>341634346
Are you suggesting that webm shows a game with the graphical fidelity of the 2014 teaser? Just start with the draw distance, lighting and shadows. Do autists have an inability to see differences l? Or is your brain just shut off because criticism of your favorite corporate brands sends you spiraling?
>>341627296
That doesn't mean the NX won't be more powerful than Wii U
He's just telling you that power doesn't automatically make you better
Reminder the rumored NX specs is 4.5 teraflops, which IS more powerful than Neo and less Jan Scorpio
>>341634658
N64 was the bomb. Nice try kid
>>341634627
>one is posted on youtubes trending page
Are you just retarded?
>>341634709
>games stay full-price for years
If they didn't sell they would do this. People are willing to pay more money for their games even second hand.
>>341634376
Indeed, i'm laughing, hence the hilarious
I shouldn't have to explain what words imply what sentiment, but i'll do it for you if you need it, little autist
>>341628756
Wow Wii
>>341629770
Nice repost from gaf you giant fag
>>341632453
PS2's power to its competitors was waaaaaay better than Wii/Wii U.
>>341627296
When will Nintendo learn?
>>341634121
it's not really him
he's just a mouthpiece for nintendo of japan
>>341628541
I already quit.
>>341634749
:o)
Why are there so many posts demolishing Zelda? Are other people this much jelly over 1 game Nintendo showed?
Just stop shitposting and buy a Wii U, it will be cheap as hell, it is hackable and all that. Leave the butthurt behind and enjoy some Nintendo games along with the console of your choice.
>>341634627
6 accounts don't put 500k to 750k mentions. Especially when they are require to talk about other IPs as well.
>So someone looking what people have posted counts when tehy could have just said I like zelda ten times
So you have no idea what you're talking about. That's cool.
The NX will be a modular system. Its going to be a power hub for Nintendo which you plug in and it puts it all in one place. Its going to be packaged to plug into a Wii U and give it more power so that games that are designed with NX in mind will be able to give more power and flexibility up to 1080p 30fps
$300
5000 yen each for modules that allow you to plug in past systems to make it super backwards compatible
>>341634791
I was expecting a sinkhole to open up, strong earthquakes are fucking terryfying
>>341634663
Don't worry about him, I'm thinking it might be pasta or just one autistic sperg lord, I saw the same claim in a thread yesterday. There's some hardcore shitposting going on since Nintendomanaged to win E3 with a single game.
>>341631846
>And all they literally did is not fuck up the launch, they didn't even have a decent exclusive until a year later.
So, like the PS2, then?
inb4 dumb revisionist says that was a shit console
I mean, as long as it is comparable to the PS4 and bone, there's no problem
I already have a Wii U for Zelda anyway in case they go full retard again.
>quitting Nintendo
Why would I quit the only company that cares about video games?
>>341634785
>Are you suggesting that webm shows a game with the graphical fidelity of the 2014 teaser?
No, I'm saying the comparison image was fucking ridiculous and the fact you took it seriously tells me you're a moron.
>>341634804
>trending
yeah Zelda, it is getting more exposure but still has less views even despite that poll showing apparently double the people are talking about it than any other game?
>>341634658
The don't have to have the most powerful console. They just need to be competitive, which they were until the Wii and DS.
>>341634392
Depends what you consider poor. Many employed people near or at the poverty line own game consoles. Most people who play games are young and not wealthy but still use disposable income for phones, tvs, games, and shit they can't afford in general
>>341634458
This, 3rd parties make games for them when they sell. Activision and Ubisoft have no problem porting Skylanders and Just Dance over because there's a market for them.
They problem is that publishers don't want to make anything but huge AAA blockbusters, they can't sustain themselves on anything else. AA is dead, risky, niche games just don't come out of these publishers anymore.
if it wasnt about specs, theyd be still making games for the wii or wiiu
>>341628541
>>341629359
>>341629539
>>341629697
>>341630325
>>341630480
>>341631306
>>341631852
>>341632979
>>341633673
>tfw they were waiting for the NX to be revealed so they can start making the good stuff
>after zelda they tackle games like Metroid, F-zero and other titles that went to shit and revive them to their former glory
would /v/ give them another chance if that would happen?
>>341632453
>Pic related, the highest selling console of all time, and the weaker of it's gen.
PS2 was more powerful than Gamecube though
>>341635065
>10 year-olds really believe this
>>341634983
homebrewed Wii U will play every Nintendo home console plus every Nintendo handheld besides 3DS.
What's not to love about that lovely box?
>>341634002
This.
When i walk into a horde of niggers i presume they're going to behave like chimps. This guy is just stupid.
>>341629856
I do. Gamecube had a few but great games
PS2 had a few great games and then lot's of good games.
It doesn't matter if you consider Sunshine or Windwaker the best of that gen (they weren't), you still end up being fucking starving for more entertainment. I don't know any Gamecube owners that only had Gamecube during that era, we all ended up buying an extra console because Gamecube just didn't satisfy all the needs.
>>341635049
I just know some random guy will stack every single explosive barrel in the realm somewhere and recreated hiroshima.
And i'll be waiting patiently for it
>>341630556
I hate Neo Nintendo too but this image is bullshit and you know it.
>>341634994
>They don't have a load of accounts
>well it won't have that much of an effect and neither will people posting about it multiple times
fuck off
>>341634813
Even games that don't sell like pikmin 3 stay overpriced forever
>>341631021
>GC was profitable
Stopped reading there. It is not about what Nintendo gets out of you, it's about what you get out of Nintendo - and sadly that is not much
>>341628541
>Judging
>Implying the NX won't be near PS4 specs
>Ignoring that the big reason they delayed NX is because of a change in chips to be as modern as possible
Reggie doesn't confirm anything
He's PR
All he's doing here is confirming Nintendo's visions that we all know about already
>>341635317
Supply demand, they re released it because the game was reaching $80 on ebay.
>>341629770
goddamn
>>341635245
Nice anecdotes. I never bought anything than a gamecube. Probably played a few thousands hours of Melee and Medal of Honor pacific assault with my brothers and friends.
The thing Nintendo seems to not realize is that people don't want ripped off. They don't want to spend a premium price on a console that's as strong as something they could buy elsewhere for less. Especially with the economy how it is. If you intend to sell a 350 dollar console the tech inside better stack up to other consoles that are of a similar price.
You also need games which while the Wii U has good ones took forever for them to come out and couldn't get most third party support because the power gap between it and the consoles from competitors left them in the dust.
I'm not buying a machine from them that's not up to par with the rest of the industry. Not talking PC as that will always stomp everything, but there needs to be a standard.
Nintendo needs to publish third party titles on a system that's up to par to help build back the trust from third parties that they've lost with all their bullshit. Do that while being competent with their hardware and they'll start to pick up. You can't rely on goddamn gimmicks for ever.
>>341634791
I loved my N64 but it didn't come close to meeting Nintendos expectations and was outsold 3:1 by the PS1. Hardware doesn't mean jack.
>>341634458
Japanese third parties appeal to Nintendo fans though. So there's a market for Resident Evil, Dragon Quest, Dark Souls.
And Nintendo is on good terms with most of the big Japanese third parties (bamco, Capcom, Squeenix). Nintendo just needs to make their home consoles on par with the others.
Western third parties won't ever take Nintendo seriously tho.
>Nintendo is a content focused company
>its not about the specs
I agree with this is the sense that people playing video games 50 years from now won't actually give a shit how many teraflops the xbox had, but they might still think zelda u is worthwhile to play.
But if they don't care about the specs, then why keep making consoles? If it's really just about the content, why not go third party?
>Ubisoft only said Just Dance was coming to NX, no other games
This I think confirms it will be Wii 2.0
>>341629629
great logic right there buddy, except that literally nobody ever used specs for additional features before, look at final fantasy 15, its as interactive as a fucking brick wall but OH LOOK THE WIND MAKES THEIR HAIR BLOW AWAY COOOOOOOOL
>>341627296
>>It's not about the specs or power
Sub-10-Million life sales, here we come!
Looks like Nintendo won't survive the next gen.
>>341635049
>that 5 second long framedrop when the monster dies
Third parties will NEVER EVER come to Nintendo.
NEVER.
It doesn't matter if:
-Nintendo has the most powerful console
-Nintendo has the most popular console
-Nintendo has the cheapest console
-Nintendo has the most developer friendly console
etc etc
Those are irrelevant factors. Third parties just want to see Nintendo eliminated so they can keep holding Sony and Microsoft by the balls.
tho
>>341635289
6 accounts isn't "loads" by any stretch of the imagination. Shit companies like Yahoo have more than that.
>>341629856
The console has to be at least powerful enough to RUN games from the competition, because Nintendo is not putting out products.
I have 25 dollars on my Wii U and nothign to spend it on.
>>341635541
???
>>341634994
>Especially when they are require to talk about other IPs as well.
but that chart didn't take into account unique ips just posts
>>341634890
Not really, most PS2 games were 240p and usually upscaled while GC and XB were pushing 480i and 480p. The XB even ran a few games above 480p.
>>341635217
And Sony, Steam and M$ do?
they literally only care about shekels, it hardly matters for them how they get them (nostalgia pandering, backlog-bloating sales or forced soft/hard-ware bundles)
brb jerking off to japanese broadcasters
>>341631784
thats because you know that wii sports, or anything that uses the mii is fucking trash, and thats where most of that big number 70 comes from. fucker.
RIP. I now can't wait to see how they fuck it up
>There are people in this thread that trust Emily Roger's "rumors"
>>341635542
>Third parties just want to see Nintendo eliminated so they can keep holding Sony and Microsoft by the balls.
Wtf? The sales of their games are non-existent on nintendo platforms because they only play nintendo games, nothing more nothing less
>>341630405
>Hardware won't magically change demographics and spur millions and millions of people to suddenly buy AAA garbage on Nintendos platform.
thats funny because thatìs exactly what happened with the Wii, that console got almost ALL ps360 games with ps2 graphics but they still worked, I was giggling all the way last gen because it was pathetic to see new games being literally ps2 games with better graphics and adding no new features what so ever
>>341635723
>The sales of their games are non-existent on nintendo platforms because they only play nintendo games, nothing more nothing less
Oh, ok. So why did Call of Duty 3 on Wii outsell the PS3 version?
>>341635848
>Oh, ok. So why did Call of Duty 3 on Wii outsell the PS3 version?
$599
>>341635649
>240p
Yeah sure
PS2 even had 1080i with Gran Turismo 4
>>341632453
my dad and friends got one as a cheap dvd player for Christmas, the videogame aspect was just a bonus
mega successful consoles like the ps2 and wii tend to hit trends and shit at the right time, nintendo is retarded iuf they think they can ride the same wave as the wii, those people have all moved on to tablets and core gamers have largely moved to the 3ds or another platform
>>341635723
Nintendo has ALWAYS been a pain in the ass to work with for third parties. They got away with it in the past because they owned a huge chunk of the market. The Nintendo seal of approval saved video games in the 80's but it is killing the company now.
>>341635710
http://nintendoenthusiast.com/article/updated-75-new-nintendo-ips-since-year-2000/
>B-b-but they're all SHIT!
>>341635848
why did cod 4 sell more on ps3 than wii?
>>341631538
Actually, those games are making enough money to support major development studios.
Your argument should be that they are outlines and the only way to consistently produce their success is to compete with something tangible like graphics or marketing. Can't reproduce random runaway hits.
>>341635078
It's not ridiculous. The resolution of the stream didn't prevent non idiots from seeing changes in graphical fidelity that couldn't be excused as simple stream pixelation and distortion
All you posting that webm does it debunk nintendrones argument that the there was no downgrade and that the stream boogeyman was to blame.
It clearly looks like shit now, compressed or not. I'll still play it though
>>341629494
>You can kiss strong 3rd party support goodbye
What support? They don't have that since the SNES days. The others were just better compared to the current situation. If Sony was moderately competent selling portables Nintendo wouldn't get shit there either.
If they make it better or on par with the competition comes another excuse. It's preferable to burn money on 300 dollar flop than on a 700 dollars one.
>>341631602
>and PS4 simply obliterate everyone
Its not hard when WiiU was a premature birth and Xbone trippped down some stairs and broke its neck.
When your only two competitors fuck up so bad that they eliminate themselves from the race, its not hard to be number one. All Sony had to do was wait.
Even if nx is on par with ps5&xbox720. It wont matter kids wont play call of duty on it. Because all their friends will have it for sony or microsoft platforms. Also nintendo online& friend codes are a pain in the ass.
>>341635793
And look how long that lasted. No one bought CoD on Wii U.
>>341635535
Actually, how low can Nintendo go before they drop out of the console business? Certainly investors must be shocked that the successor to one of the most successful consoles of all time barely sold more than 10 million units. What happens when the next gen sells even less than that?
I doubt that they'll every go bankrupt but eventually there must be a moment where they realize that they can't keep going on like this and that they have to change their business model.
>>341632453
The only reason this thing is successful is because it's a cheap DVD player and the Gamecube had tiny fucking disc.
>>341635952
Yes. So it made a lot more sense to develop CoD4 for the Wii in 2007 considering there were shitloads more Wiis in the market than PS3s at the time.
>>341635996
>why did cod 4 sell more on ps3 than wii?
Because, you absolutely thick fuck, the PS3 version came out in 2007 while the Wii version was shitted out two years later in 2009 (when MW2 was already out).
you guys are aware that this is PR talk about Nintendo's vision right?
You guys are aware that Ubisoft was specifically allowed to mention the Family market because it goes forwarding Just Dance NX confirmation
>"For us it's about the content"
>Literally was only saying that they value their games
>huhuhuhuh dude Nintendo is dead XD
Why doesn't it surprise me that /v/ ostracizes companies for wanting to make games, it's no wonder why you enjoy Gone Home so much
>>341632561
>>341632865
>>341632875
And the PS3 was considered to be the cheapest Blu ray player on the market at the time, but it sold like shit.
Nintendo make nice systems with a decent first party library but they fuck up everything else it's unbelievable. Nintendo seems to be just trying to pull at everyone's nostalgia, certainly in the west at least.
Handheld they're fine with and the 3DS library is a ton of fuck better than the Wii U's with arguably better games. Home consoles is just a series of weak performers and Mario, Splatoon has been the only Nintendo game that's grabbed everyone's attention this strongly in years.
>>341636191
Just stop, anon. Every multiplat is a flop on the wii u. No one is going to bother porting to
>>341636082
>Also nintendo online& friend codes are a pain in the ass
This. Nintendo needs to hire someone preferably under the age of 60 who has actually touched XBL or PSN or Steam to design a new online system for them. Because it's clear that nobody at Nintendo has a fucking clue how far the industry has advanced past their antiquated approach online.
>>341631304
>One of the most successful games ever have been indieshit
They've done well yes but that's cause people expect less on an indie studio which cost much less to run
If one of the big 3 walked on stage and tried to show undertale it would be laughed out of E3, to show that kind of small stuff they have to show it in an indie segment
>>341635957
Most games were native 240p and were upscaled. This is a fact. PS2 was significantly weaker than GC and XB. Compare RE4 on PS2 to RE4 on GC
>>341635159
This is quite literally the most bullshit I've ever read.
I don't want to start autistically start talking about hardware, but the PS2 is not more powerful than the Gamecube in any way shape or form.
The PS2 obviously won that generation, but it wasn't because it was some graphical powerhouse. The Xbox could be considered a graphical powerhouse, the Gamecube was very powerful and the PS2 is very very weak.
>>341636365
Because no one cared about blu-ray that much, it wasn't worth the price regardless.
If you seriously think the DVD peripheral isn't the reason for Ps2's sales you're severely lost when it comes to industry history and development.
>>341628756
WiiMe
>>341636454
yeah god forbid ubisoft made quality games like vanillaware without a budget that makes you want to blow your brains out
>>341627296
>teraflop
Who gives a shit, it just means floating point operations. Unless your game has a lot of math behind it (eg GTA 5) it doesn't mean much.
>>341635651
>I know so little about video games outside my Nintendo garden I don't know Steam is not a company
>>341636365
It wasn't cheap though, cheap for a bluray player but not cheap in any sense and bluray didn't take off super quick
The ps2 was cheap in general, not just as a dvd player and dvds took off fairly quickly
>>341636365
It's why it sold at all, even at $600 it was one of the cheapest out there.
Nintendo is literally all about QUALITY. If you cant appreciate high QUALITY Nintendo products like Mario Tennis Ultra Smash, Amiibo Festival, Chibi Robo Ziplash, or AC Happy Home Designer then i feel sorry for you. Clearly the Nintendo lifestyle isnt for you and you just cant understand how fun such QUALITY products from Nintendo are. Youre all just entitled.
>>341636365
The PS3 wasn't cheap.
And blu-ray was still barely a thing at the time.
>>341636620
It wasn't just for the DVD player either. The hype around the Playstation 2 as immense and hasn't been matched since. The industry was flipping its shit at the Playstation 2.
>Everybody ITT saying they're not buying the NX now
Don't be ridiculous. it's not like you were gonna buy it if it were powerful anyway
>>341636302
So where are they this year ?
Zelda is 2017 btw
>>341636520
>If you seriously think the DVD peripheral isn't the reason for Ps2's sales
lmao
The people who keep saying OMG PS2 ONLY SOLD CAUSE OF DVD are the real real underage.
In 2002 (the year that the PS2 sold the most number of consoles) you could buy a DVD player from Walmart for $40.
About ~15% of PS2s were sold in 2000/2001. So AT MOST, the "cheapest DVD player" thing (not really true past the year 2000 anyway) only affected a small percentage of sales.
>>341636482
Sure it was weaker (not 240p tho you retard). No one is denying that.
My point still stands though. It wasn't as bad as Wii or Wii U against their competitors. Or are you going to deny that?
>>341630094
>both the wii and the wiiU have no game thats better than 6/10
Galaxy is a 9/10 or 10/10, Galaxy 2 is 8/10. MK8 is 8/10. Fire Emblem; Radiant Dawn is 9/10.
>>341628541
>>341629539
I had every Ninty consoleexcept the SNESgrowing up.
Haven't played my Wii U in ages, it's pretty much a smash bros machine at this point for me. Nintendo have all these great IPs like Metroid, F-Zero, Advance Wars, etc. but they just either flat-out ignore them or push out mediocre copouts like that new Star Fox game.I also think console gaming as a whole is starting slow down a bit, but that's because it was propped up on Call of Duty shit for a few years now and that bubble is about to burst.
>>341636482
>Most games were native 240p and were upscaled. This is a fact.
If it's a fact I suppose you can back it up with a source, correct?
>>341636394
Splatoon oughta be the wakeup call to Nintendo that they need younger developers with fresh takes on the medium to reinvigorate the brand. Reggie is so out of touch with the current industry it's sad, listening to him talk about Sony and Microsoft having to react to Nintendo is like listening to an old man who thinks the US is still the superpower it used to be.
>>341634791
the n64 was a really shitty console when you judge it as a whole
>>341636884
I remember buying a ps2 for the games.
I didn't even know you could watch movies with it and we also didn't often use it for that.
>>341636884
You mean 2 years later when it already had a sold base from selling as a dvd player, so now everyone was making games for it and it would be a dvd player
>>341636884
Source: your ass
>>341636676
What exactly was wrong with Chibi Robo and ACHHD? You didn't like them?
Mario Tennis isn't bad at its core it's just missing content, which is a shame evacuee otherwise it would have been fine.
>>341636884
except he highest ps2 sales were on christmas because families saw it as an all in one deal
it also could be plugged into sony sound sytems
>>341636490
>i know more than the fucking lead programmer at criterion games
this is how arrogant you sound
>>341636965
>great IPs like Metroid
>>341636490
>I don't want to start autistically start talking about hardware, but the PS2 is not more powerful than the Gamecube in any way shape or form.
They were pretty on par. Unless a game was tailor-made specifically for the GameCube (like RE4, in which the PS2 version had to rely on pre-rendered cutscenes), multiplat games generally ran better on the PS2.
>The consensus was that the GameCube is easier to make better looking games on in a short time, but if given longer the PS2 would outperform it. Another point raised was that the GameCube has 24MB of RAM that can easily be used for program data. The rest is reserved for audio and is too slow to be used for anything useful. They would like to send out a big thank-you to Nintendo on that complete lack of foresight.
http://www.actsofgord.com/Proclamations/chapter01.php
lol
>>341635542
Weren't Ubisoft planning on doing something similar with Watch Dogs? Where it didn't do too well, then they were planning on releasing it on Wii U for some fucking stupid reason, probably just to say "see, look! This is why we want to support the Wii U!"? Something like that I believe.
>>341637032
>>341637038
yet neither of you bring any statistics yourself to prove him wrong.
>>341628541
no one is quitting, Nintendo aces are his characters wich all people from kids to grown ups love, they can make 1 good game like the next zelda a year and you will buy it, thats life
>>341635148
same thing was said about the wiiu
>>341637107
hilarious greentext meme, friend
>>341636884
>If something gets a massive amount of users, over 10 million because of the DVD player aspect which made it the most owned console which made developers make more games for it it doesn't matter because what happens in the future.
Okay retard.
>>341637038
Source: Right here buddy
http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=831692
>>341636884
>In 2002, after cementing a lead due to being a cheap DVD player and game console combined, the Ps2 sold a lot.
No shit.
>>341637216
thanks
>>341637173
He's the one who made the contrary assertion, seemingly using data that should easily be verifiable. I can throw his claim out the window without a second thought if he doesn't have anything to back it up.
>it's not about specs, it's about crippling third parties into watering down their multiplats and decide to just not port their games over like the Wii
>>341635541
>Not understanding that the matrix like slow mo is a feature in the game
>anime reaction image
It's like you get of on being retarded.
>>341634887
>visiting neogaf
Who is the real fag here?
>>341636835
Are you including 3ds in this argument as well?
Wiiu took years to have all the 10/10 system sellers to come out. Nx doesnt have a chance unless its launch titles are: zelda/new metroid prime or full hd remaster of the first 3. Smashbros mariokart starfox pikmin marioparty splatoon2 new resident evil assorted mario games. Etc. Even then. Itll need day1 asscreed&call of duty support. And a completely overhauled online experience. With a non stupid controller... with that list. The nx may not be DOA.
>>341628541
I stopped buying Nintendo systems after the GameCube. I couldn't justify buying yet another new system just for Zelda.
>>341634658
What's the point of a powerful GPU if the rest of the hardware is shit and bottlenecks it?
>>341628541
I still enjoy my 3DS. I'll probably buy BotW for Wii U, but after that, I plan on being done with their home consoles.
>>341637098
>Nobody on /v/ knows how to program or has ever done console programming
This is how delusional you sound.
>>341628541
I hacked my 3ds
waiting for the wiiu to be hacked to play zelda
>>341637434
when i can put my 3ds games into Wii U then sure
>>341630556
I kinda like it anyway. http://www.nintendo.co.jp/zelda/movie/top.mp4
>>341637125
If we are talking about actual capability of the game consoles then the Gamecube has more potential. You are going to get a better frame rate on the GC if you actually program for it. Unoptimized multi-platform games are irrelevant.
>mfw pirating Zelda BotW
>>341628698
You know they're less than $300 new right
>>341637165
>Censor
my keks
>>341627296
I don't care about the hardware as long as the system has many quality games. Nintendo doesn't need hardware. They need games and marketing. The Wii U had neither.
>>341637405
>it's a feature that you skip forward five seconds in time like King Crimson after killing an enemy.
>>341637537
>What's the point of a powerful GPU if the rest of the hardware is shit
But the CPU was three times faster than the one in PS1.
And it had more RAM. And the RAM was faster.
>>341636520
>>341636620
>>341636715
>I can use the DVD player argument, until someone uses it against me! Then they're wrong!
The amount of stupidity in these posts is mind boggling
>>341637638
it is, you just need an sdcard and to open the web browser
>>341628541
Nah, if Nintendo somehow dies then I'll probably stop buying games and move entirely to shitposting on /int/ for entertainment instead.
>>341629928
>Damned if they do, damned if they don't
>>341637802
it had more games than the ps4 and xbone though
>>341636807
That's silly. For most people, whether they buy a console or not depends on the games on it, the ones out at the time and the ones they reasonably assume will come in its lifetime. Surprisingly most people aren't blind brand loyalist diehard console warriors. By making it low spec, they remove any chance of receiving the kind of games that are trendy right now for players, because Nintendo sure isn't the one making those and third parties just won't bother with the console at all. So it will be in the same situation the Wii U is in now, unless they can pull some kind of golden gimmick that can tear away casual players from their desktop web browsers, phones and tablets.
>>341637750
hows wii u emulation these days, lad?
seriously tho
>>341636980
>listening to him talk about Sony and Microsoft having to react to Nintendo
Sony and Microsoft don't give a shit about Nintendo, they're too busy going for one another than giving Nintendo any notice on the main console market at all.
Sony made a compromise and let Nintendo have the handheld market since the Vita met its morte.
Sure Sony and Microsoft twist the ideas of Nintendo but Nintendo can't stay ahead of the curve forever. Not with VR happening as fast as it is.
>>341637802
If Nintendo doesn't have hardware, they don't have games.
Crippling third parties with underpowered hardware is just going to make them not port games at all.
>>341637032
>>341637237
>>341637259
That's not the same thing as "only selling cause its a DVD player" you fucking idiots.
It now becomes "PS2 sold cause it already had a good library of games".
You guys put the cart before the fucking horse.
>>341628541
literally trying to find a seller for my WiiU and 20 games.
>>341637748
>If we are talking about actual capability of the game consoles
If we're talking about theory then PS2 has better GPU and CPU than the OG Xbox, just in case you wanted to know.
>>341637846
Different factors effect a console
If the PS2 had been way more expensive then it wouldn't have sold as a cheap dvd player. If dvds hadn't taken off quickly it wouldn't have sold as a cheap dvd player cause no one was buying them. That is what happened with the ps3
>>341637812
That it obviously it edited to be shorter you autist. Do you think the part on horseback when it skips to being closer to the enemy is framerate issues too?
ITT: Nintenyearolds on suicide watch
>>341637304
You didn't have anything to back your claim up either. Just because you something was a certain way, doesn't mean it was. So with your own logic, everyone can discard your argument as well.
At this point, I still have no idea what the fuck the NX is.
>>341638061
MK8 is playable with good rig
captain toad is playable with good rig
frequent updates
its coming soon brother
>>341638061
>emulation
I'm using Loadiine, bruh.
100% performance
I imagine a console like the PS4 in power but there definitely is a new gimmick. A gimmick at the level of the Wii.
>>341638115
Nobody ever said that. At release the PS2 didn't have shit. It sold because it was a DVD player. THEN it got games and sold more because it got games. It only got those games by being a DVD player, ergo the PS2 was so successful because it was a DVD player.
>>341630529
Excuse me, how many new IPs?
> Pikmin
> Wonderful 101
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> ZombiU?
>>341638115
>It now becomes
No, you are just an idiot who needs to over simplify
The initial boost as a cheap dvd player allowed the ps2 to shoot ahead of the competition, this then spurred on game development. That first factor still needed to happen though so that the second one did thus being a cheap dvd player is more important as to why the ps2 ended up doing well
>>341627296
Nintendo's had a lack of third-party games since the fucking Nintendo 64, it's just more pronounced now since less games in general are being developed by non-indie studios.
Nintendo trying to compete with Sony and Microsoft on their own terms would be fighting an uphill battle, but that doesn't mean they won't develop a more powerful system or that Reggie's comments implied that. Who honestly knows what Nintendo are doing at this stage?
>>341638352
Loadiine is the reason why the Wii U is a great deal.
You can get one for cheap off of craigslist or eBay, and then immediately just pirate the handful of games worth playing.
>>341627296
Everything Reggie says is a lie.
Therefore, the new console will be at least comparable to the new consoles.
>>341638404
your post looks like one of those rumor before Wii U come out
>>341632645
well Pikmin 4 is literally confirmed, they'll probably port over mario maker or just make a sequel with yoshi's island or something, and if the NX is the console/handheld hybrid it's rumored to be, we'll probably get an M&L game on it. Not to mention Myamoto said that he wanted to make Mario Galaxy 3 on the "console after the WiiU" in the same interview he confirmed pikmin 4 in. so there's all that.
>>341633593
>Down by .8%
that's a lot in a day you fucking retard
>>341638115
And it had a good library of games because it was a cheap DVD player.
That's like saying "I wasn't born because anon fucked my mom 12 years ago, I was born because I spent 9 months in her womb". Both happened, but one was the cause of the other.
>>341630529
half of those IPs are probably Wii-Title(s)
>>341638094
3rd party AAA shit doesn't sell on Nintendo, had nothing to do with hardware. It's a matter of demographics. Wii U had plenty of 3rd party ports at launch, including the current FIFA and COD, and no one bought them.
When 3rd parties want to make more beyond safe AAA blockbusters that don't sell because the audience isn't there, then we will see support.
>>341629478
>Amazing
Still no Zelda, Paper Mario is a spit in the face, no Metroid, 3D Mario is subpar, Star Fox is bad
What the fuck are you smoking? The only GOOD games are SMM, Splatoon, Smash, and Mario Kart.
The best two games on the console imo (Bayo 2 and W101) aren't even made by Nintendo. This is the worst gen they've EVER had you underage retard
>>341627296
I don't really take this to mean another Wii. It just means they don't plan on trying to outbeat every one with the highest end specs. That or there is a chance this could be that whole all in one console/handheld thing. Which would be way cooler imo.
>>341628574
Tripped me the fuck out when they they came out with the '2DS'.....like...... REALLY?!??!? THE FUCK is wrong with these stupid idiots.
>>341638495
>Who honestly knows what Nintendo are doing at this stage?
Half the time I don't think Nintendo knows what it's doing. Then again I was thinking that when the Wii came out and look what happened.
>>341638283
it's going to be some psuedo console mobile hybrid bullshit
>>341638291
Neither are playable, stop lying, 15fps on the title screen is not playable
>>341638445
>At release the PS2 didn't have shit. It sold because it was a DVD player.
No, it also sold because of hype. And here's one fucking detail you're missing out on. That 15% I quoted includes Christmas 2001, you know, when FFX, Silent Hill 2, MGS2, Ace Combat 4, Gran Turismo 3, GTA3, Jak and Daxter, etc were all already out.
So given not every single person bought the PS2 because it was a DVD player (not even close) because the PS2 already had a fucking fantastic range of games by the end of 2001.
I think it's reasonable to conclude that the DVD player thing maybe affected 5% (being generous here) or less of sales. Yes, such a big impact.
Because developers weren't already planning to develop for PS2 long before the early sales figures came through.
>>341638673
>Wii U had plenty of 3rd party ports at launch, including the current FIFA and COD, and no one bought them.
because everyone was either playing them on better hardware or had already beaten them
>>341633873
well maybe you'd like the Wiiu more if you actually played the systems best selling and highest praised games instead of the ones you listed, anon. :^)
>>341638458
I already posted a link
>>341638837
Yes, it is, it's been scientifically proven the human eye can't even see past 10 FPS.
>>341637257
>Regional sale
Retard.
>>341628541
I haven't bought a Nintendo anything since Christmas and I'm not sure this is going to break the streak. I mean it's like a year away, I may not even remember I own a Wii U at that point.
>>341638964
And that's only if you're in the top 1% of humans -- most people can't see past 5 fps.
>>341638965
>moving the goal posts
>>341631867
I never understand how Nintendrones claim that region lock is a good thing but then again, they fucking bought two fucking Zelda ports while waiting for the actual Zelda game
>>341638837
playable for Zelda demo
playable for emulation
>>341638663
Already posted a link
>>341639072
to be fair region locking will probably be a thing on every console after that treaty is signed
>>341637846
Anon, DVD was a significant jump from VHS and everyone wanted it. Blu ray... well only enthusiasts gave a shit.
>>341629770
pls include me in the screencap
>>341637818
>And it had more RAM. And the RAM was faster.
And had a half second access time. And the texture cache had only 4KB. And the texture unit doesn't have access to RAM. And used expensive carts with low amounts of memory which took months to manufacture.
Also I suppose it's worth noting that Nintendo selling devkits to 3rd parties only after the console was released (a year after PS was on market) with Nintendo being assholes to them during development also didn't help that much.
>>341639138
> Wii Fit
> Wii Sports
> Wii Play
> Wii Music
> Wii Party
Hahahahahaha.
>>341638882
>because the PS2 already had a fucking fantastic range of games by the end of 2001.
I bet people bought the Wii for its fantastic range too
>>341633443
Being the most talked about isn't really all that impressive, considering they had to put out fucking hours of footage to make up for the fact that they didn't announce games
Plus you could ad shitloads of social justice butthurt over Link not being a girl to that fucking pile of comments
>>341629770
It's funny but I'm still sad about it
>>341636520
>>341636620
>>341636715
Then how do you account for the sales of the Xbox 360 when when you had to buy a fucking add on to watch HD-DVD's
>>341629770
GET OUT
>>341639330
>And had a half second access time
I think you're getting your milliseconds and nanoseconds mixed up anon.
>And the texture cache had only 4KB
2KB on PS1
>>341629928
That's nintendos real problem. Plenty of console sold better despite not being the most powerful. Its nintendos poor reputation with 3rd parties who have refused to forgive them over the years and their poor reputation with games media for being largely kid only. The kid only thing would have worked though if kids didn't enjoy everything they touch. Why should parents keep getting expensive tech when the kid has a thousand other things it finds equally interesting.
>>341630529
> Nintendo publishes 75 games since 2000
MEANWHILE IN SONY TOWN
2000
Ace Combat 3: Electrosphere (Co-published with Namco in PAL only)
Aconcagua (Japan only)
Barbie Super Sports (PAL only)
Boku no Natsuyasumi (Japan only)
Chase the Express (Japan and PAL only)
Colin McRae Rally (North America only)
Colony Wars: Red Sun (Published by Psygnosis)
Cool Boarders 2001 (North America only)
Covert Ops: Nuclear Dawn (Japan and PAL only)
Crash Bash
Destruction Derby Raw (PAL only)
Disney's Aladdin in Nasira's Revenge (Co-published with Disney Interactive in PAL and North America only)
Disney's Story Studio: Mulan (Co-published with Disney Interactive in PAL only)
Disney's The Emperor's New Groove (Co-published with Disney Interactive in North America and PAL only)
Dragon Valor (Co-published with Namco in PAL only)
Everybody's Golf 2
Formula One 2000 (North America and PAL only)
Ghoul Panic (Co-published with Namco in PAL only)
Grind Session (North America and PAL only)
Jackie Chan Stuntmaster (Co-published with Radical Entertainment in PAL only)
In Cold Blood (PAL only)
Legend of Dragoon
MediEvil 2
MLB 2001 (North America only)
Monster Rancher (Co-published with Tecmo in PAL only)
Moto Racer World Tour (PAL only)
Mr. Driller (Co-published with Namco in PAL only)
Ms. Pac-Man Maze Madness (Co-published with Namco in PAL only)
Muppet Monster Adventure (PAL only)
Muppet RaceMania (PAL only)
NBA ShootOut 2001 (North America only)
NCAA Final Four 2000 (North America only)
NCAA Gamebreaker 2001 (North America only)
NFL GameDay 2001 (North America only)
NHL FaceOff 2001 (North America only)
Pac-Man World (Co-published with Namco in PAL only)
Popolocrois Story II (Japan only)
Rescue Shot (Co-published with Namco in PAL only)
>>341638904
Unless they played on PC Wii U was the most powerful platform those games were on. No one played CoD the year before because it wasn't out the year before. Wii U had the new CoD and FIFA, PS4 and Xbone were not out in 2012.
And that's my point, people will just play those games on the other platforms because that's where most of the audience and community are. 3rd parties only want their huge cash cows because costs are so bloated and they don't want to make anything that directly competes with Nintendos1st party games. The problem is with the industry as a whole being largely creatively bankrupt and relying on safe, mass-appeal games just to stay in business. It's affecting all platforms, PS4 and Xbone have comparatively fewer games from these publishers than the previous consoles too.
>>341639068
Does it really matter if someone potentially on the other side of the country can buy a device at a temporarily discounted price?
>implying processing power is the only important thing about any gaming machine
You need a big fucking line-up, visuals that entice the public in whatever way, a good price point and good word of mouth. The Wii U failing on all 3 of those things made it fail. PS4 prolly had like 2/3 out of four for normies. Bone had fucking negative publicity and Microsoft had to bank on the price point for it too sell.
PC isn't 'da bes' for the graphics, it's a fucking box you buy with loads of games ready to go, which no new console can really compare too. Microsoft saw this and is going for the long con to get something like Steam out of the ground because they have vision and have seen that studios can't really bind too much exclusives to your console when the budget for literally every fucking game in the market can bankrupt a studio. Sony probably has a little more cash in their game division and a bigger platform too keep some things like GOW and ND games bound to their platform + they can't try to strongarm their way into a pc shop like MS, so they can only try to improve their HD experience so that the people that just play multiplats anyway don't run to MS store. Nintendo can't do anything else than make a nice box with lotsa Nintendo games at a nice price point and hope it works out.
Anyway, NX has gotten out of bed with the right leg (Zelda BOTW), let's see if the rest of the day is going to work out for it.
>>341639660
Rollcage Stage II (PAL only)
Shadow Madness (Co-published with Crave Entertainment in PAL only)
Space Debris
Spyro: Year of the Dragon
Star Ixiom (Co-published with Namco in PAL only)
Star Ocean: The Second Story (Co-published with Enix in North America and PAL only)
Syphon Filter 2 (Published by 989 Studios in North America and by Sony Computer Entertainment in PAL only)
Team Buddies (PAL only)
Terracon (PAL only)
This is Football 2
Walt Disney's The Jungle Book Groove Party (Co-published with Disney Interactive in PAL only)
Who Wants to Be a Millionaire 2nd Edition (North America only)
Wild Arms 2 (Japan and North America only)
Wipeout 3: Special Edition (PAL only)
2001
C-12: Final Resistance
Cool Boarders 4
Disney•Pixar Monsters, Inc. Scream Team (Co-published with Disney Interactive in North America and PAL only)
Disney's Atlantis: The Lost Empire (Co-published with Disney Interactive)
Disney's Party Time with Winnie The Pooh (Co-published with Disney Interactive in PAL only)
Disney's The Little Mermaid II (Co-published with Disney Interactive in PAL only)
Formula One 2001 (PAL only)
Libero Grande International (Co-published with Namco in PAL only)
MLB 2002 (North America only)
NCAA Final Four 2002 (North America only)
NBA ShootOut 2002 (North America only)
NFL GameDay 2002 (North America only)
Point Blank 3 (Co-published with Namco in PAL only)
Syphon Filter 3
Time Crisis: Project Titan (Co-published with Namco in PAL only)
Twisted Metal: Small Brawl (North America only)
Who Wants to Be a Millionaire 3rd Edition (North America only)
2002
Alfred Chicken (PAL only)
Disney's Treasure Planet (Co-published with Disney Interactive)
Disney's Lilo & Stitch (Co-published with Disney Interactive)
Final Fantasy VI (Co-published with Squaresoft in PAL only)
Final Fantasy Anthology (Co-published with Squaresoft in PAL only)
Firebugs (PAL only)
Formula One Arcade (PAL only)
>>341639076
>He still thinks they dumped the demo
>>341639660
The fuck is this
>>341635159
burnout 3 was amazing on the xbox
>>341639687
You thinks this was an isolated sale? Stores in 2002 were jammed to the brim with unsold DVD players from the previous year.
It was the fucking DVD boom, man. Everybody was trying to get a piece of the action.
Of course power isn't the focus, it's a fucking handheld.
>>341639787
STOP
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>>341639497
Because it didn't take 5 years for it to get games, and was like half the price of a PS3.
It seems I'm in the minority, but I don't WANT a console with super modern graphics capabilities. I'd be happy with another Gamecube. You don't need fancy lighting effects and trillions of polygons to convey an idea, and I think the Gamecube era had a good balance of graphical fidelity and development speed capability.
If I had my way, Nintendo would produce a console on that order of power and put the tech and design advancements since then into making huge games. Imagine a Super Mario Sunshine that was 10x bigger or a Wind Waker with just as many islands, but all larger than the largest now. I don't get why devs or gamers drool over top-notch graphics when it makes game development take 5-6 years for a good title. It's taken until now for Sony to even announce good games.
>>341632289
But had they kept their word and not gotten betrayed by 3rd parties they had first to market privilege. They had their chance and it blew up. If their demographic was larger in the beginning it would have been more of a "should a also buy a PS4" because the WiiU "would" have had multiplat support and it would be hard to justify getting a PS4 since you would have multiplats + Nintendos strong first party games. Now they just have first party and free online which are cool but not enough.
>>341639660
>New IPs
>>341639787
Jim Henson's The Hoobs (PAL only)
Klonoa Beach Volleyball (Co-published with Namco in PAL only)
MLB 2003 (North America only)
NBA ShootOut 2003 (North America only)
NFL GameDay 2003 (North America only)
Peter Pan in Disney's Return to Never Land (Co-published with Disney Interactive)
Stuart Little 2 (North America and PAL only)
WRC: FIA World Rally Championship Arcade (PAL only)
2003
Jinx (PAL only)
MLB 2004 (North America only)
NBA ShootOut 2004 (North America only)
NFL GameDay 2004 (North America only)
2004
MLB 2005 (North America and Japan only)
NFL GameDay 2005 (North America only)
90 games published by Sony since 2000.Only counting PS1 games.
>>341639497
It was much cheaper and no one bought that add on
It also had games and better online
>>341628950
> what is the actual reason for nintendo hardware always being a gen behind power wise nowadays?
They lack the sheer man power and infrastructure to compete honestly. If nintendo had one or the other they would be fine but since they have neither they're kinda stuck in a bad spot.
Despite Wii U being sub-par tech wise if Nintendo had several dozen AAA teams all working on Mario Kart 8/ Smash Bros 4/ Zelda: BotW tier games non stop the system would be in better shape. But since they don't that's all they can really muster which compared to Microsoft and Sony game releases is really poor.
Now Nintendo could just make a really powerful system instead and let third parties carry the burden but they don't because they feel their demographics wouldn't put up the money for +$499 nintendo console.
There's also the fact that their portable system line takes a lot of resources too from nintendo. But they really can't cut that off because that's actually the only real consistent hardware relevance they have left.
>>341638647
Yes, like when it ''fell like 12 % on a day after some release then got back to normal a week after.
Please, continue showing you have no actual clue how stocks work.
>>341639590
>I think you're getting your milliseconds and nanoseconds mixed up anon.
Oh yeah. Still, it took way too many cycles to actually get data out of RAM to where it was needed.
>2KB on PS1
With the difference that you could texture directly from 1MB VRAM, unlike with N64.
>>341629494
They should just make NX x86 like everything else. Half the reason no one wants to build for it is because WiiU is the only console this gen on unique architecture. Nothing terribly new and crazy compared to Wii but still why put forth the extra effort?
>>341639985
3rd parties blew it by delivering nothing but ports. They already knew the demographics they wanted weren't there after their games failed to move on the Wii after the first couple years. Has nothing to do with hardware, it's demographics.
>>341640061
And after all that you missed where it said 70+ new IPs, not published games.
I fucking WISH they gave it their all in either content or graphics, but they've been half-assing both in the name of gimmicks.
I don't want tablet controllers, or wagglan, or VR. I just want a god damn controller and a library of games that doesn't have to accommodate to whatever crazy fucking whims Nintendo decides to throw us each gen with these fucking gimmicks.
>>341640278
>With the difference that you could texture directly from 1MB VRAM, unlike with N64.
The texture cache has a vital function though. Just because you can texture from 1MB VRAM doesn't make it irrelevant. There's a reason why Conker has better textures than any PS1 game. N64's setup is just trickier to use.
>>341640114
>>341639916
Then by that logic the PS2 would have sold well regardless of the DVD player.
>>341640517
It wouldn't have sold as well, thus it wouldn't do as well later
![sony_ps2_2[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/ln18qKj.jpg "sony ps2 2[1]")
