allright faggots, let's talk a while about old games that aren't so famous; Such as "Blood", "Shadow Warrior", "Heretic" and so on.
>no duke nukem 3d nor doom
>PC\Dos\Amiga\Whatever games only, ports or exclusive. It doesn't matter.
bumping for the great cause.
>>341599156
>page 5
Don't come to /v/ to discuss actual video games.
This game gave me nightmares
>>341599156
is Blood really good
what's it about
heard a lot about Shadow Warrior and Heretic but nothing about Blood
every time old games thread appears I always aggressively shill Majesty, its a really unique and good game, the devs are dead though so dont buy it, the sequel is by some other guys and it sucks dick
pirate the gold version and give it a try
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RluZuxrIh7A
My nigger, literally just downloaded Blood last night after watching this. Haven't started yet but i've been on an old fps binge and they really are fun.
>>341599156
>old games that aren't so famous
>Blood
>Shadow Warrior
>Heretic
What?
>>341599156
Fuck off
>>>/vr/
>>341599156 (OP)
I mean, they are known in older gaming circles but certainly don't receive the praise that other titles do today. You always hear about Doom/Half-life/Quake, etc.
>>341599156
Can y'all niggas top this one?
>>341599156
Blood is shit though. Heretic is ok, and Shadow Warrior is great.
>>341600574
Is that some War Wind?
>>341600931
Is it true that Hexen is the best of the old school FPSes?
Blood was the kind of game you could replay over and over and fucking over. Everything came together, it has all of the charm and none of the boring shit. It's ridiculous
Who /hellbender/ here?
>>341599156
Is there anyway to change weapons by scrolling the mouse? Steam btw
>>341599156
could you please not use quotation marks when naming games
thank you.
Man I love Heretic.
I know most people prefer Hexen, but there's just something about a fantasy FPS that intrigues me.
IMO the biggest problem with Heretic is the huge difference in damage output and the lack of an ultimate weapon (the mace is such a shitty substitute for the BFG).
Heretic is also good but only 4 weapons and the constant backtracking kind of kills it for me
>>341601059
>>341601050
God nostalgiafags are absolutely revolting.
Well I think this one qualifies
TZAR: Burden of the Crown is I think the first game made by my country (Bulgaria). I played it as a kid and I loved the artstyle and the soundtrack: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xNyAfmtm9Wc&list=PL79A31E3662CB406C&ab_channel=PopovMaksimR
>>341601037
It sure is. Blizzard sued the studio that made it because War Wind apparently sounded too similar to WarCraft.
>>341599156
I played blood once a long time ago and just remember it being kinda hard and fucking weird. It's not like Doom where you start with a pistol, the first level you just got melee and then you find dynamite, which is weird.
Rise of the Triad
>>341601050
No. Hexen is a great game but it's held back by convoluted level design.
Hexen and Heretic's lore are so great.
>>341601143
loved Hellbender as a kid but i've never played Descent so i'm thinking of trying that out
I hate that Blood doesn't have a true source port. Playing it in DosBox feels janky as fuck and the "closest" we have to a source port is a basically a mod of the EDuke32 engine.
As a game, it's definitely the hardest of the big four Build engine FPS games (with Duke 3D, Shadow Warrior and Redneck Rampage.) The starting cultist enemies fucking rip through you. Caleb's also one of the more funny protags.
Prince of Persia
Too bad I cannot find a working wersion of the original on win7.
>>341602741
>>341599972
The majesty sequel doesn't suck dick but it is fucking hard. If anyone has something to prove or wants to show off in "Vidya achievement" threads, just play the Majesty 2 DLC's. Anyone that does that is a god.
Hell, the 4th? level of the base Majesty 2 campaign (the easiest campaign) is renowned for being a casual barrier.
>Shadow Warrior
>Heretic
>Not popular titles of the 90s
I spotted the fag who was born in 1990 and beyond.
>>341602741
>>341602872
Oh neat, Russian Doom clones.
>>341602174
say no more senpai
>>341599759
It's Evil Dead: The Game
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zMCbEo4shzY
Eartsiege 2. Was one of my first games, got it via gold games 2.
I still consider it one of the best games ever made.
It had a campaign which actually changend depending on how successfull you were doing the mission, the gameplay was cash, except plasma cannon was imba.
There were diffrent settings for the radar, you could give your squad orders, it was possible to destroy the enemy mechs through targeting the legs granting you more parts and scrap after the mission.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BqILPYigsfk
nice walkthrough w/o talking shit
spoiler: you defeat the final boss in Heretic
A fuckton of Doom wads uses Blood assets either midis or textures I'd say oldschool FPS fans know Blood very well.
Blood, and Descent were my first 2 experiences with PC games. I still can't believe they didn't revive these franchises. They hold up pretty well though.
spoiler: in Hexen you defeat the final boss as well
>>341603679
this was my favorite game of all time as a kid and probably the first computer game I ever played, my dad got it along with a joystick and I'd sit next to him and watch
>>341603740
Descent is good shit. Full 3D movement back then was a neat gimmick.
>>341603740
MATERIAL DEFENDERS GET OUT
>>341599156
Is BloodCM a faithful port?
>>341604614
It's the most faithful one we have aside from just playing Blood in DosBox.
>>341603740
Descent is getting a revival though. They just are having to call it overload because they no longer own the rights.
>>341599156
>Blood
>Shadow Warrior
>Heretic
>not so famous
spot the underage
>>341599156
I feel like Strife was super underrated, also I really want a new Crusader game,
>when your mom caught you playing biomenance and was so horrified at the blood she broke the disk
raptor:cots and dook 2 were fun as fuck
OG Playstation
>>341605072
>tfw I couldn't figure out how to leave the first map
>>341604891
Hey man don't diss people who give us good fps threads. Underage with good taste is a good thing.
>>341605224
Powerslave was the shit. One of the best console FPS games.
SO I heard you guys like Shatner.What a shit show of a game, holy fuck.
>>341601498
Sooooo fun! I used to play this on my hot wheels toaster when i was probably 12
>>341605532
Hey man don't dis Tek I own all the books and they'rereally fucking shitting in the most endearing possible way.
Who /zero tolerance/ here?
My first fps.
>>341599156
Quarantine kikestarter when?
Also thread theme: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i_T9lmapvDw
remember me?
>>341606771
Yes, you were buggy shit.
>>341605354
Awesome soundtrack too.
Why Heretic and Hexen dont get some love?
Insane production values for its time.
>>341607194
Shitbasically nonexistantports. The only reason Blood still gets love is because it was one of the best of the best.
>>341607194
Heretic is neat, but it's also kinda bland.
Hexen is also neat, but the level design is convoluted as fuck and it's a hassle to play.
>thinks a game like Dark Souls is difficult.
You know nothing about difficulty and anyone who says they beat this without a cheat code is lying.
>>341607729
i beat it without a cheat code
>>341607436
What? You can play Heretic and Hexen in ZDoom just fine?
![pc-62864-31446072081[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/5zSReNL.jpg "pc-62864-31446072081[1].jpg")
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>>341599972Fervus is best God
>>341607787
You lie like a dog.
>>341607194
For Heretic I think a lot of people just dismiss it because it looks like a Doom reskin. While that is partially true (especially the weapons) the tone, art style, music and level design are pretty different and in some places better. Another problem is that the weapons don't really feel as good as Doom's weapons because they have a bigger damage range and as a result can feel a bit underpowered or inconsistent.
Hexen I think turns off a lot of people with it's backtracking, cryptic "One seventh of the puzzle has been solved" bullshit and the very roster of weapons per character. And I can't really blame them, I'm not really fond of those things myself.
>>341607194
because Activision don't want to cash in on the ~retro fps~ fad
>>341608228
Most of the weapons in Heretic have no oomph. Like shooting peas.
>>341599759
blood is about a Gunslinger who was in a cult of a big bad who got betrayed by the big bad so he has to go kill the big bad and anything along his way
>>341607837Zdoom's a shit port
I kid, of course, but for a lot of people it's not good enough. Most people who aren't SUPER into retro FPS aren't going to download a port of a completely different game to play other games in that doesn't even fix some of their biggest problems with it (enemies turning to pixel stew at distance). Like, it wouldn't even occur to them to do that, they don't even know it's possible.
Meanwhile you have stuff like doom BFG, Shadow Warrior Redux, and Megaton that serve as entry points because they're easy for people to find and play. I'm pretty sure there are plenty of people who have gotten into old FPS games from those titles who still don't know about ZDoom and get frustrated enough by dosbox that they just write those games off.
Also Hexen 2 requires actually knowing what CMD is to use the graphics options and you basically need a guide to play it, so I imagine a lot of newbies try to play the only game in the series that runs on windows natively and get put off.
Who M.A.X here?
>>341601235
>only 4 weapons
It could stand to have more weapons, granted, but the overall quality and creativity of Hexen's weapons really makes up for how few of them there are.
>the constant backtracking
This is one of the best things that made the game stand out for me. Then again I love Metroid and other similar games, so the hub system plays right into my interests.
Still kicking myself for selling my Dreamcast.
>>341608446
Eeeh I think it's about 50/50.
The Fighter has decent weapons all around, the Cleric is pretty good once you get Firestorm and Wraithverge, but the Mage only has one satisfying weapon - the Arc of Death.
But still, there's a lot of potential in Hexen. Add more weapons, do less confusing puzzles and backtracking and you've got yourself a pretty good fantasy FPS
>>341608913
There's a small mod for Hexen called Hexercise which powers up and tweaks the weapons a bit so the game doesn't feel like as much of a slog. It's pretty neat.
>>341606601
Already exists. Check out the game Collateral. It's been in early access forever and seems to have a lot of problems but that is the closest thing there is.
>>341608913
Wand is satisfying when you kill multiple enemies with it, thanks to its ripper effect. Frost Shards is great when you use it in melee range and freezing + shattering monsters is the best.
>>341608851
The weapons are fairly creative, I'll give you that, but some of them just don't do enough damage or aren't very satisfying to use. Nowadays I can't play Hexen without Hexercise, which just brings a lot of life into the weapons.
As for the backtracking, I guess it's personal preference. I just didn't really enjoy going back to those levels and having no goddamn idea what I'm supposed to be doing. Maybe a journal or something would have really helped out. Like "You found the key in [wherever-the-fuck], now you can go back to [elsewhere] and use it" or something.
>>341605237
Same here. I killed the pinkies and the mancubus but couldn't figure out where to go from there
>>341599156
>shadow warrior
>no duke nukem allowed
Nigger they fucking packaged those together.
They're practically the same game.
I see most pics itt, and I'm wondering what makes those enemies sprites so fucking godly, and comfy to look at.
why cant 3d give the same feel ( most of the time )
>>341609237
Nah way more people know about Duke because it was more of a cultural phenomenon. Lo Wang is like that racist uncle that people like to pretend doesn't exist (even though his game is way better and he's funnier than dick kickem even without the rascism)
>>341609349
I've often wondered this myself.
Maybe with everything becoming more and more detailed it's becoming harder to immediately tell enemies apart from the environment.
Though Serious Sam managed to avert this problem somewhat, so I don't know.
>>341609508
Visual clutter is a significant problem with games nowadays.
>>341602692
dos one with dosbox works just fine.
>>341609179
I enjoy Hexercise but it really makes the whole damage dumbfuck easy with how overpowered every weapon becomes. Like, I shouldn't be able to gib an Ettin with the Mace strong.
>>341609819
>whole game
>>341609819
Well to me it's way better than hitting them 4 or 5 times to kill them.
Plus it removes those annoying centaur shields, which REALLY improves the game imo.
>>341603740
No idea why there are no modern games like descent. Shit should have spawned an entire genre of games and it didnt.
>>341599156
Hexen 2 was a lot of fun despite being short.
Do you fellas think ID / Beth might revive Heretic or Hexen?
Those jaguar warriors were great.
I remember playing an old game for maybe 30 minutes with my uncle. Probably 17 years ago.
It was an old RPG with sprites & shit- 3d environment but it was really flat-feeling. Wide open exterior environments & cramped dungeons.
I remember finding an unidentified tome & selling it instead of identifying it- turned out to be 'Tome of the hero' or some shit- shouldn't have sold it.
But it was too late and I now had a fat stack, so I spent that on some trinkets and a couple 'pet' monsters to accompany me.
Proceeded back to the dungeon where I INSTANTLY ran into wild versions of my pets which turned my pets against me, (as a tooltip had warned 'COULD THEORETICALLY HAPPEN', the fucking swindlers).
Stopped playing there.
Anyone know what this was?
>>341601498
Played it back in the day as well and so did a few of my friends. I don't remember where we got it from exactly but it was fun. Training ninja, samurai and wizards and shit. Music was memorable.
>>341610135
I don't trust them.
DOOM was surprisingly good, but that could have been a fluke.
Besides, they'd probably add in a bunch of shit like upgrades and perks which would turn Heretic/Hexen into a generic fantasy game. (well maybe Hexen moreso, there aren't that many fantasy FPS games in the vein of Doom)
>>341610135
Zenimax/Bethesda/id have no claim to the Heretic/Hexen series, that's Raven / Activision.
With the recent success of old FPS series like SW, Wolfenstein, Doom, and potentially Quake Champions, I think it might spur Raven/Activision on to look t their classics. Not to mention this was posted last year.
>>341610410
>Not to mention this was posted last year.
It was April Fools' joke.
>>341601143
It was cool at the time, MS still have the rights to Fury3 and Hellbender from Terminal Reality right? I wonder if they will ever do anything with that.
>>341601050
It is fun, and for a DOOM clone, it feels like there is actual exploration.
I liked the convoluted design, but that is like for two huds only, after that it gets straight forward.
>>341602492
Somebody is working on one, just be patient.
>>341601235
The first 3 chapters were great, but the last 3 chapters are repetitive, there is a higher challenge and all, but I liked playing these games going fro 100% on every level, in the last 3 chapters you don't get enough ammo, and it is like playing doom on nightmare, you just rush through them.
The design for the Iron Liches is so fucking cool.
A source port or remake of Blood is all I want from gaming. The GOG version shits itself on my laptop, and the underwater parts get way too dark way too fast,
>>341601951
The OST was great.
The 2013 version was metal, but shame the weapons felt weaker, and the optimization was just terrible, but other than that the level layout is incredibly similar with some 3D Improvements.
>>341611496
Kaiser, the guy who did Doom 64/Strife/Power Slave EX and Turok Remaster is working on Blood EX on the side while also working on the Turok 2 Remaster.
>>341599156
Go to /vr/ you fucking retard. There is literally an entire board for that.
this gem right here.
>>341611756
/vr/ is not a containment board and trying to discuss old fps' besides Doom is a death sentence.
these games seem pretty rare and obscure, you must be pretty cool OP
>>341610410
What would Hexen be like in the hands of Rave / Sledgehammer.
I honestly would not mind if it was like Call of Duty as long the single player was still a mix of FPS, Puzzles, and Psudo RPG elements.
>>341611851
Don't talk out of your ass. You can talk about whatever retro FPS you want at /vr/.
>>341612223
And it'll die due to lack of activity.
>>341612297
There's always the Doom/Retro FPS general.
>>341611756
>thread with actual not-shitposting discussion
>FUCK OFF THIS DOESN'T BELONG ON THIS BOARD
You are why /v/ is bad
>>341611756
t. Eceleb poster mad that this knocked off his favorite thread out of the catalogue
>>341612382
Exactly my point. Try having a discussion about something other than Doom / Doom wads in the general.
You won't.
Man, I wish Heretic/Hexen would get a good reboot.
>>341612103
Honestly, a call of duty game with lots of magic and wizards and shit would be pretty great.
>>341610385
I liked TNO, especially since it was a single player game instead of being a typical mediocre SP and "soon to be dead" MP combo you usually see.
I have yet to try Doom, I do not expect much. I am just waiting for the sale.
>>341610410
I should pay attention to who holds what. I used to think ID held most of them.
>>341612771
I know right?
Magic allows for all sorts of crazyness.
Even MP could be "character" based like Black ops 3.
Anyone else hype for Battleborn maybe killing Gearbox and Devolver getting their hands on Duke?
>>341606601
i played the fuck out of those games, especially one must fall 2097, i loved the game and soundtrack i think it's one of the reasons why i still like electronic music
>>341612793
I didn't really like TNO, to me it was just another modern FPS that had one or two oldschool ideas.
DOOM was a huge step in the right direction. Maybe one or two more reboots and we'll finally go back to the 90s
![rott_gibs-798406[1].png](https://i.imgur.com/4mqRIUC.png "rott_gibs-798406[1].png")
>>341613249
If Gearbox loses their rights to Duke I'll fucking celebrate.
>>341613696
The day duke is out of the hands of everyone responsible for DNF should be a national holiday.
>>341611813
definitely my favorite point and click game, absolutely great game
>>341607729
Why bother, the game was shit.
>>341614561
Disregard this post, I got that Space Hulk game confused with this piece of garbage. Vengeance of the Blood Angels actually looks like a competent Doom-like. This '93 game was trash.
>>341613827
It already is, 3DRealms lost the rights to Duke.
>>341615289
Oh trust me I celebrated on that day and the day Gearbox shut down Apogee trying to make that shitheap Bombshell into a Duke game, but I still want to see Gearbox lose the rights for their fuckery too.
>>341615450
So who could make a good modern Duke Nukem game?
Maybe Night Dive Studios could do a decent remake of DN3D
>>341615717
I really don't know. To be honest I'm not even sure what a modern duke would look like.
>>341616108
Well if you can find someone who knows how to actually make levels, I think you could easily do a modern Duke Nukem 3D.
But judging by recent games it will be either long corridors or arena battles.
Seriously what happened to level design in FPS games?
>old game that aren't so famous
>lists 3 well known ones
Is this bait?
>>341616430
Building levels is really damn easy these days with unreal. It's the physics and graphics that shit that's hard.
Ctrl f Witchaven
Anyone played it?
>>341617279
It's shit.
