Has any other studio fallen from grace harder than them???
I enjoy their games. Ignoring the MMO aspect they're still alright. Diablo 3 sucked at launch but got a ton of patches. Still not worth its launch price. Overwatch is a good change of pace from TF2.
>>341529223
?
>>341529386
overwatch its not worth 40$, people who bought it are destroying gaming, its not complete, has no content, its a clone of a clone and the "originals" were free because they had no content either
you pay for shit, you get more shit games, then rage about it? i dont get blizzdrones
>>341529609
you need to be good at first place, to fall from grace
>>341529935
My $/hour ratio is pretty good for Overwatch.
>>341529223
What do I win?
>>341530383
always shit
>>341529223
They've set records for ignoring/selling out their fanbases.
>>341529223
Capcom.
>>341529223
Rare comes close, and Naughty Dogs as well.
>>341529223
>EA
>Ubisoft
>CDProjekt
>Konami
>Capcom
>SoE
>Bioware
The list goes on.
>>341530735
Fuck you and your garbage taste.
>>341529223
>He said
>as they continue to release immensely popular game after immensely popular game
Star Citizen /RSI or whatever studio is trying to make it,,
Fallen from grace in what way? Not living up to the standards they set for themselves when they were just starting out? Name one company that still meets those standards and are as old as Blizzard.
Ubisoft for me. I went from being a massive fan and buying all of their products to absolutely loathing them over the course of a couple of years.
>>341529223
Valve
Primarily because they don't seem to be a game studio anymore.
>>341529223
maybe valve or id, no one else comes close.
>>341531825
>Hearthstone
>Overwatch
I can't really thing of any big ones. HoTS didn't really pick the traction they wanted, and WoW is just haemorrhaging subs
>>341531929
I think Op means how they used to be a respectable company that set new standards for PC gaming.
Now they use lawyer terms to avoid making good on promises, and ship unbalanced/unfinished games out the door, while taunting customers.
>>341531825
Blizzard is super weird about this, though. Like, by all rights they should have totally lost the faith of a lot of fans by now. At the least people shouldn't be pre-ordering their stuff or going to see their movie on day fucking one. Yet that's what people keep doing.
It's the brand. If they release something mediocre, people hail it as great. If they release something bad, people say it's average. If it's broken dog shit, people say "Okay, it had a bumpy start, but the patches fixed it later".
>>341532465
That sounds like every other major company in this industry. Blizzards mistake is they actually involve themselves in the community so everybody knows their faults.
It's why companies like EA don't say shit about game development or anything like that publicly.
Obsidian. Avellone jumped ship, they suck up to Bethesda trying to get another contract, and their only project is DLC part 2 of a kickstarter.
Remember those times with Rayman, Prince of Persia and Splinter Cell?
>>341532704
Blizzards games meet a level of polish no other company does. Overwatch runs seamlessly in comparison to the other games released.
Even if the game itself isn't very good, it works as advertised with no graphical downgrades or anything.
>>341532704
>>341532995
This. If nothing else - they're polished to a shine. It might just be a polished turd but god damn if it isn't a shiny one.
>hurr Overwatch is totally shit
>am I cool yet /v/
>>341529223
>Blizzard
>Looking Glass
>Relic
>Maxis
>Westwood
>Troika
>Bullfrog
>Mythis
>Epic
>iD
>Valve
...and more
Every PC studio has been JUSTed
Wonder why
>>341532121
They are still popular and profitable.
Shit, all Blizzard games are popular and profitable, very few studios can say that.
Bioware
>>341532121
I don't think Blizzard expected anything big from HotS. They didn't expect anything from Hearthstone either as it was just a side project, it just turned out to be incredibly popular.
WoW is hemoragging subs but that doesn't mean Legion isn't going to sell just as well as the previous expansions. So far it's being handled a lot better than WoD, but whether or not it's a good expansion is an entirely different thing. But the fact a 12 year old game still maintains the relevancy to have the marketing campaigns it does is amazing, especially in this current market.
Blizzard clearly isn't in any financial trouble, as they still host their own goddamn con that sells out every year.
>>341534049
Not to mention they recently bought the Candy Crush makers for 6 billion dollars.
Yes. 6 BILLION dollars.
Soon 13 years of WoW subs add up to a lot.
>>341533356
>Westwood
Falling from grace is not the same as being taken into the back yard and shot.
Ninty
>>341534446
Well Activision and Blizzard bought King together so they both own it. At least I think they both own it, they are a partnership.
Pretty sure the majority of that money came from Skylanders anyway. That shit is ungodly popular among children.
>>341529223
Blizzard
Rare
Bioware
apple , they killed marathon 2 . I will never forgive them. my wife found a new husband over wow , I could care less.
hi there
"winning" e3 is the dumbest phrase ever. It's literally empty promises and shilling: the convention
>>341529223
>>341535103
this holy shit
How is releasing their first good game ever a fall from grace?
>>341539215
>(you)
>>341539215
You been in a coma since 2002?
>>341539568
Name a good Blizzard game other than Overwatch.
I got into the legion beta and have been havingfun
>>341533356
>maxis
Whaaaaaaat?
>>341529223
blizzards an angel compared to how far biowares fell
>>341539686
Warcraft 2
>>341539686
Brood War
>>341539819
The last good maxis game was simcity 4
>>341539568
>2002
>diablo 1996
>diablo 2 2000
sure people loved warcraft 1 & 2 too
>i-if we vote with our wallets that'll force Blizzard to change!
>w-we have the power to change the industry!
>they picked a fight with US! US GAMERS!
>>341540239
Diablo, Diablo 2 and LoD aren't Blizzard. Only D3 is which is why it's shit.
my life
>>341539686
>Diablo 1,2 &3 (after RoS)
>hearthstone
>warcraft 1,2 &3
>wow
>starcraft 1&2
it seems the only bad games theyve made is HotS
>>341529223
Bungie
>>341540674
>Diablo 1 and 2
>Blizzard
>The rest of those
>Good
Try harder.
>>341529223
It may be surprising to hear but there was this great studio some time ago called Valve which actually made good games before inventing cancerous trends of modern games like microtransactions, early access and paid mods.
Crazy I know
>>341529223
Honestly, no. BC was their falling point. They realized they could make straight up garbage and people would pay for it.
Blizzards fall hurt me more than any other company. I think Valve comes in second.
>>341540463
Diablo 3 is the 10th best selling game of all time
>>341530383
Konami is a publisher and they don't give a shit about AAA games these days.
Normies will literally throw money at Pachiko machines
>>341529223
I legit think Overwatch was one of the best moves made by a dev in a while. Making a game that can easily cater to a world wide market AND also show that they don't need China to survive is neat, here's hoping they can break their chains
Blizzard used to set standards. Games like Warcraft, Starcraft and Diablo were defining games for that decade and this company.
Hell as much as we don't like it they set the MMO standard with WoW. Now instead of setting standards they follow trends.
They milked WoW dry for 10 years and now that's its starting to collapse they've carefully woven themselves multiple safety nets
Hearthstone
Overwatch
Heroes of the Storm
All their own versions of recent big money games littered with microtransactions
>>341540875
It is also the most disappoint game of all time and 80% of the people who bought it dropped it after a month.
>>341529935
>He doesn't like overwatch
You have the absolute worst taste known to man.
>hurr hurr no content hurr hurr overwatchs success maeks me maddd :(((((((((((
Leave.
>>341541094
>he likes Overwatch
Overwatch is fun for like 2 hours. It suffers from the same problems all multiplayer online games do and devolves into "get some friends bro"
>>341541063
>80% of the people who bought it dropped it after a month.
That's true for a vast majority of games.
And Reaper of souls sold 2.7 million copies in the first week, if everyone hated it, why did so many buy the xpack?
Blizzard was never a innovator, they were just masters of polishing. They take something someone else thought of, copy it, maybe simplyfy it and make it more accessbile and polish the shit out of it.
The only original ideas they ever had was making units tell jokes when over clicked in RTSes, making RTSes faction have different economy with Starcraft and the infamous auction house. That's it.
>>341540875
A lot of people quit yet they harp on about shit that's been fixed like server issues n shit. And "MUH ALWAYS ONLINE NEEDS TO BE REMOVED SO I CAN PLAY OFFLINE (but I really just want to pirate the game)"
>>341540796
list 3 games since 2010 that you would consider good
>>341541581
>That's true for a vast majority of games.
Not for Blizzard games and especially not for Diablo.
Overwatch is pretty good tbqh family member
>>341529223
There was a time when EA was good.
>>341541936
Tracer a cute
>>341541683
Overwatch
X-COM Enemy Unknown
The Witcher 3
>>341542034
go to bed, grampa
>>341529223
bioware
>>341541795
>Not for Blizzard games and especially not for Diablo.
how do you know this?
>>341529935
>>341529223
Nintendo
>>341529223
>>341529223
Literally all of them.
None of your favorite studios from 10 years ago are still decent.
Prove me wrong.
>>341532704
Blizzard learned you can make terrible games if you put awesome cinematics. Blizzard is number one in the world.
>>341529223
rare.
>>341542543
CDPR
B T F O
>>341542807
The Witcher came out in 2007.
I win.
>>341541094
oh i like overwatch kind of but i have a sense of worth, and its not worth a fucking cent
i played the beta 10+ hours, ill play it when its f2p or when magically becomes a good complete game(game modes/campaigns/solo/more characters/ranked), you sound mad blizzdrone, keep buying shitty games youll get more
>>341543007
>The witcher came out 9 years ago
>>341543409
And it shows.
>>341529223
>fallen from grace
Starcraft 2, while not the best when it comes to RTS, is certainly the most balanced in terms of a more modern RTS game. This game continues to do well among hardcore RTS fans.
Hearthstone, while lacking in depth compared to an actual game of YGO or MTG, is still kinda fun to play and is among the first games to really do F2P really well while still having a paying concept that more directly ties into gameplay. A good one for casuals looking to try out TCG style stuff.
Diablo 3 was awful at launch, but they listened and fixed it to make it the best isometric loot hunt style ARPG ever. And no, it's not watered down from Diablo 2 there are more viable build options per class and the enemies have far more mechanics which leads to more skill required than just tapping the mouse buttons. Vocal minority is really the one bitching about this one at this point.
WoW has lost players, but Blizzard has clearly shown at this point that they want to push the MMO genre to the next level in the way they specialize in: through creating dungeons and raids unlike any that have ever existed in MMOs. I'd be hard pressed to find a single encounter not in just MMOs, but gaming in general that have the amount of mechanics the Archimonde fight on Mythic difficulty does in WoD. Hardcore players and ultra casuals only for this one, none of the half assed shit that used to play this game.
Overwatch is quickly becoming one of the best selling games ever. Once balance and hitbox issues are fixed, there really won't be anything wrong with this and it'll set the new standard in class based FPS gaming.
There's a good amount of stuff for both the casuals and the super hardcore fans. I think Blizzard gets a lot of hate because as a result they really didn't leave anything for all the poser "hardcore" fans like the people here to do much with.
>>341531690
why projekt?
>>341529935
this is bait
>>341539801
after WoD that ain't hard. WoD fucking sucked.
>>341541936
>>341542058
a cute character and an unfinished ripoff game that signifies a company's descent are two different things
>>341530345
>>341541094
>>341542362
>>341546019
>>341544551
>balance and hitboxes are the only problems with Overwatch
Is it okay to boycott games solely based on dislike towards the developer?
>>341544551
I disagree with everything.
SC2 was meant to be hier to broodwar. This was badically the national sport of korea. It was the best rts of all time. We TOLD them.. blizzard. If you split the game up youll fragment the community... you cant fragment a competitive community it will kill both halves!. Wings of liberty was released. It went reallly well. We even had the beginings of a north america sc2 esports scene with talks of a spot on espn..
Hots releases. The whole thing collapsed and basically killed the SC2 franchises hopes of being on the same level of broodwar forever. The fact that they planned 3 parts to the game... literally to milk customers for money is sickening.
Same with d3 and the ah. We told them. They went ahead and did it anyway. It exploded in their face and d3 will never live up to d2.. like d2 lived up to d1.
>>341544551
>Starcraft 2 is the most balanced modern RTS
It's very poorly internally balanced but it's passable on an external level. People are force to play by a lot of retarded playbooks in that game and it's kind of terrible once you get good enough that you have to start remembering the specific match recipes.
>>341551415
Did you forget that there was a vanilla Starcraft that got fucked over when the Brood War expansion dropped? The only difference is that SC2 had 3 parts instead of 2 and that they actually tried to make each of the campaigns feel different this time around.
>>341549151
Overwatch is my first blizz game.
Best 40buckaroo I spent this year
Whats your point Anon? Game is fun, what more could you want.
>>341552790
>Game is fun, what more could you want.
Being angry about you having fun.
>>341549363
It's fantastic for what it is otherwise, though: a class based shooter. If you want a less "casual" experience, people still play the shit out of Quake 3 and Quake Live.
>>341551415
Again, you have no clue what you're talking about. The only thing you have brought up are the childish emotional rants that were everywhere for these games.
Splitting the game into three parts isn't what killed the community either. Problem with making SC1 a Korean national sport is that SC2 will never live up to it without being a carbon copy due to the sport nature of the whole thing.
They didn't milk the customers for money with having three installments. Each one brought an entirely different approach to single player campaigning in RTSs and each campaign being long enough to be for one game. It allowed for a more comprehensive campaign for each faction, and it's unlike anything done in RTSs before.
Yes there was a time around late Wings/early Heart where the game's balance got real wonky, but Blizzard recovered from it. Quite a lot of the fans didn't though for whatever irrational reason.
I already said they fucked up with the D3 launch. And then they fixed everything that needed to be fixed. In the current state the game has more than lived up to D2. More content, more build variety per class, more enemies, more enemy types/variables, more loot, etc. Not to mention it sold more than D2 ever did, too.
>>341551794
See, this is true in that certain build orders will always be that way. But SC2 like SC1, or another game that also does it well the first CoH, emphasizes tactics in movements and actions outside that, too. THAT's where the difference between the best players really becomes apparent.
D3 is a good game.
People just need to give it another name
Single handedly killed the gaming market after inventing it. No other game developer before or since has managed to do this.
>>341529223
No has ever fallen harder than EA, Valve, or Bioware Anon.
Blizzard is a big company with a lot of people working on these games and lot of people making decisions about deadlines, how they're going to pay for such expensive projects, and many more things you don't seem to consider are issues of running such large-scale projects.
Never in the history of game development have studios been this large and have so much to lose off each game.
You know what I think? I think Blizzard is probably one of the better studios in terms of how they've handled releases. You wanna complain about paying 40 dollars for Overwatch? A game that was built from the ashes of a failed project that THEY HAD BEEN WORKING ON FOR 7 YEARS? They started development in a fucking monetary deficit and you're complaining when it's not even the industry standard 60.
Maybe it seems like a lot to somebody who has no clue about the work that goes into this shit, but they picked the right number and they might just break even in sales because of it.
The fact of the matter is is that the consumer has no fucking clue about how to spend money on art and entertainment. They don't value it at all. They expect new artists to work for "exposure" and scoff at someone wanting to sell a painting for a few hundred dollars. You're up your own ass if you believe these massive scale projects are meant to drive down the price of development and the cost of the end-product.
So /v/, climb out of your own ass and realize that your opinion on how things should be means absolute nothing and accept that you're gonna pay whatever they tell you to pay.
true they have fallen but atleast they are publishing games unlike valve
>>341550163
I haven't purchased a Bioware game since Mass Effect 2.
I haven't purchased a Blizzard game since World of Warcraft came out.
I haven't purchased a Maxis game since Spore.
>>341555045
>tl;dr
Cry to ActiBlizz drone.
>>341550163
Yes
>>341550163
Unless they suddenly make a turn around like id did or something then yes, its perfectly okay. I haven't bought a Bioware game since ME3 and have no plans to, not even Andromeda.
>>341529223
Konami
Capcom
Has nobody said Lionhead yet?
How in the hell would you call blizzard fallen from grace? Their name alone still draw people like its 2001.
If you want a company that really fell hard look at those companies who are resorting to making children's mobile game/shovelware after 1 flop game
>>341529223
Thats not Nintendo.
>>341556148
The Golden Age of British video games was 20 years ago. The closure of Lionshead is just a reminder of how far they've fallen.
>>341529223
Konami
Rockstar
>>341541581
FREE wow subscription and other shit that can be sold in the auction house for tons of gold?
>>341532048
I used to follow everything that they did and buy and play all of their games, but I played dota2 for about half an hour and then I stopped caring.
I dunno why. They feel like a different company now. Anybody else have the same experience?
>>341529223
>"Breaking news. According to authoritative
/v/ board on 4chan dot org literally every major videogame company has fallen from grace, industry is basically dead. Stay tuned for more news at 11."
>>341560114
Its how the majority of people feel Anon. Valve hasn't been Valve for the past 5 years.
Nothing beats this fall
>>341539686
World of Warcraft.
>>341529223
Bioware.
