And the Scorpio is now pointless says Phil Spencer
Still running a 1080p TV? Then you should forget about buying Xbox Scorpio.
That’s the message from Xbox boss Phil Spencer. He was asked by Eurogamer about the thinking behind announcing the new Xbox One S only to an hour later reveal a brand new machine, Xbox Scorpio.
“You should buy [the Xbox One S], because Scorpio is not going to do anything for you,” Spencer said after asking the reviewer what TV he had – in this instance a 1080p set. “Scorpio is designed as a 4K console, and if you don't have a 4K TV, the benefit we've designed for, you're not going to see.
“Clearly, you can buy Scorpio, and if and when you decide you want to buy a 4K television to take advantage of the increased performance, obviously the console will be ready for you. For us in the industry, it's easy to think that most power is always the thing that wins. If you look at last gen, what won? The Wii won. The Wii sold more than we did on Xbox 360 and the PS3, and it wasn't the most powerful console out there. Price is critically important. Wii was a good price and it had a great experience.
“Scorpio is for the person who's got a 4K television, who's really focused on 4K gaming. It's going to be a premium price over what we're selling this one for, and both of them will exist in the market at the same time. Scorpio is for your 4K gamer. And that's what we designed it for.”
It was speculated yesterday that while it seems Xbox Scorpio will have a quite significant power advantage over PS4 Neo, that advantage will come at a cost – that literally being the cost, which could be some $100 more than Sony’s new machine.
http://www.mcvuk.com/news/read/spencer-scorpio-won-t-do-anything-for-you-if-you-don-t-have-a-4k-tv/0168577
>p-please buy Xbone S instead of waiting
>>341416943
>using quotation marks and forgetting to close the quote
So saying things everyone knew already? The Sony damage control is real.
>>341418461
>"6TF. It's a monster."
>"B-but you d-don't need to buy it"
Thanks Phil
>>341418461
He's literally saying games don't run better on it they just look better.
>not using it for 1080p 60fps
4k is a meme.
>>341418757
Which is what he said in the press conference too. Wow. you sure caught his lie.
Give him a break. He's trying to convince people to buy the same console thrice.
"We know you hated the Xbox One, so we're giving you two different consoles to choose from, one of which is the same as the first one but looks like a PS2, and the other which is useless and twice as expensive." -Microsoft E3 2016
>>341418759
>sitting further than 6 feet
>>341416943
So Scorpio won't have any games that aren't also on Xbone S?
>>341420049
Why would it
>>341416943
>Consoles still struggling with 1080p 30fps.
>Consumers actually believe they'll be playing 4k at a reasonable fps.
But it can't do 4k
Current top-of-the line highend PCs can't do 4k
>>341418759
>60fps
So many games are locked to 30 though. That would take a lot of work to patch.
Chances are that Scorpio will only render at 4k 30fps anyway, since I'm pretty sure most 4k TVs only run at 30hz.
>>341420414
yeah I have no idea what's happening. My above-average pc can barely keep a playable framerate at 4k and it cost over a grand, what the fuck is this xbox stuff going to look like
>>341420271
i dunno, /v/ made it sound like it was a new gen console.
>Scorpio and Neo confirmed only prioritizing resolution
60 fps is literally never happening on console, is it?
>>341416943
Where does he say its pointless ?
He says the truth:
There is no point for somebody buying a Scorpio if his televison doesnt support 4K.
Why? because his television is only 1080p and the graphical difference wont be visiable
>>341420414
There are 9 graphics cards on the market including 7 last gen cards that can output 4K 30fps, They say it's capable of 4K gaming, nobody said it would achieve 60fps.
VR doesn't require 4K and it will quite easily achieve the required frame rate to not make you puke.
>>341420720
60 FPS is possible if devs choose to target it.
Why would anyone even do 4k?
Going higher and higher is only truly beneficial if you already increase the size of the actual monitor or TV.
But we as humans don't change and our apartments don't change. Not many people will suddenly have a 70 inch TV or 32 inch monitor in their rooms for space reasons and because you'd want to be further away from them, too due to neck issues.
Hell take me for example, the way my desk is set up and considering where I sit I don't really want more than a 24" monitor.
1080p and 120fps/hz is literally all I need.
>>341420720
It has already happened when they prioritize framerate. Most of the time it's not worthwhile since it's easier to market a game that looks prettier and 30fps is good enough as far as most people are concerned, if they even understand what framerate is
>>341420910
>why would anyone even do 4k ?
why did any one even do 1080p ?
when you answer that question you've found your answer.
>>341416943
Scorpio you say
>people are actually going to buy a second Xbox One
>>341421010
1080p is reasonable, though.
Very reasonable.
Even 2k is reasonable.
But at some point it stops being reasonable because we don't play on fucking 40 inch monitors and our eyes, heads and bodies don't change to adapt to having to physically move your head to look at everything.
Hmm not sure how to go about this. With the PSVR coming soon, I'll prob occupy all of my time on that. I'll prob barely touch my Xbox One S if I bought one. Damn, what a dilemma.
>>341421241
2K is 1080p
>>341421241
its technological progress it happens naturally remember beepers ? 2 way pagers ? side kicks ?
now a majority of people have smart phones.
>>341421379
Uh, no.
>>341416943
>I am poor so it's pointless guys don't buy it I want my obsolete tech to be normal for more years!
kek, you call yourself a gamer? Back to phone minecraft and emulators with your, caveman.
>>341421415
You don't seem to understand what I am trying to say here.
I am talking about how these things become unpractical.
Think of the apple ipad.
Remember that image where people made fun of him first doing the iphone, then the ipad and they suggested next would be the imat?
the iMat would be unreasonable and stupid.
>>341421427
technically it is, people hop from using vertical and horizontal value depending on which sound the most futuristic. p for like, k for width
>>341421427
3840x2160 is 4K, because 3840 is 4K
1920x1080 is 2K, because 1920 is 2K and also 1080p
>>341421491
i understand what you're saying its just you continue to push on how unpractical something like 4k would be with out 40 inch monitors or tv's when there are some out right now for a reasonable price that will most likely be cheaper next year.
tons of things in this world are unpractical because they've came along when we constantly progressed by advancing our technology.
think of selfie sticks.
Guy in charge of selling Xboxes says what he has to to sell Xboxes.
It's not that hard guys.
>>341421864
honestly unless he's revealed to be lying he's saying exactly what I need to hear.
"xbox one S is literally a new xbone sku"
"the scorpio upgrades are for VR and upping the resolution to 4K, thats it."
he says word for word "IF YOU HAVE A 1080P TELEVISION THEN SCORPIO WILL NOT BENEFIT YOU AT ALL" which I will hold him to, because it lets me sigh in relief.
Im still waiting for sony to say fucking ANYTHING about the ps4 neo. despite being so few models available right now it feels way way less safe to buy a ps4 right now.
>>341421241
You do realize that we need 4k capabilities for VR, right? The closer the display is to your eye, the bigger the pixels appear. More pixels = clearer display when it's an inch away from your eye.
Not that the Scorpio or Neo could possibly render 4k VR.
>>341422154
Sony'll have to be insane to announce that games will work better on Neo. They either have to take Microsoft's path (I like it, honestly) or prepare for reproach.
>>341416943
>Scorpio is for the person who's got a 4K television, who's really focused on 4K gaming
Don't think someone whos focused on 4K gaming is going to buy some overpriced console for that.
>>341422154
Considering the XB1 can't even do 1080p/60fps right now, I feel like the Scorpio could allow every game to run 1080p/60fps. So even if you aren't using a 4k display, the experience should still be superior to the XB1.
>>341422391
Isn't it what Slim should do?
>>341421820
At what point do we stop, though? It becomes unpractical because of us being human at some point.
We'd have to up the size of our screens further and further as well.
But it's not like we'll all be sitting 20 meters away from our 120 inch TVs in the future. So when is it enough? 4k? 8k? 16k?
>>341420429
do you know what upscaled means nigger
it still renders games in 720/1080p
>>341420591
>My above-average pc can barely keep a playable framerate at 4k and it cost over a grand
Either you bought some shitty pre-built, or you're a false flagging retard.
1920x1080 on 120hz > 2560x1440 on 60hz
>>341422391
theyre not trying to emulate pcs here. each console has specific figurations. In fact unless they get specific patches, the games already released will probably run identically to their launch xbone, even in terms of resolution and settings. maybe less frame dips though.
>>341422519
Having the settings turned up at all makes 4k60fps difficult on a lot of modern releases
>>341416943
How about an option for higher framerate(120fps at 1080p) instead of 4K you fucking retard?
I wouldn't be surprised if newer games used the hardware differently but the old ones will stay the same.
So it wont be a smoother framerate? They already said the S has a slightly better one.
>>341422439
holy christ I expcet this level of attention span and reading comprehension from fucking gamestop customers and ign video commentors.
THE S IS LITERALLY JUST A SLIM XBOX WITH NEWER PARTS.
>>341422391
Not a chance. It may allow nothing to drop below 1080p native but the power to run everything at 1080p/60fps natively is considerably greater than what just scaling to 4k requires.
>>341422645
Sure, but he said his "above-average" PC cost him over a grand.
If you spent over $1,000 on your PC, you are more than capable of running anything in 4K.
Unless he bought it over 2-3 years ago, when 4K cards weren't really available, but even then thats common sense.
>>341416943
>make a more powerful console
>it can do 4k
>but it can't do 1080p 60fps
I swear this is an elaborate joke
>>341421010
Not really. Diminishing returns exist.
You'll notice a bigger difference from 720p to 1080p as opposed 1080p to 4k, despite 4k having quadruple the pixel count.
It's not worth it yet from either a performance or monetary standpoint.
>>341422741
Rude
>>341422756
ehh, i guess you could RUN moden games in 4K but not with max settings or at high framerates. 4K res is a huge performance tax.
>>341422756
Just one graphics card takes up most of that cost and a single top end card can't do 4k 60fps
>>341422630
A single optional patch to any old game locking the frame rate at 60 instead of 30 and changing the native resolution shouldn't be hard though. Would be up to the devs I guess. In that regards, I think the Scorpio is more than a 4k upscale machine. It should improve the overall Xbox experience.
However, considering the PC/Xbox crossplay/play anywhere, I don't see why anyone would buy a Scorpio instead of playing on PC. I guess console players that want an improved experience but are wary of venturing into PC gaming?
>>341422756
>If you spent over $1,000 on your PC, you are more than capable of running anything in 4K
you aren't though, unless you skip parts like decently sized SDD just so that you can get 980ti, and even that struggles bad to get decent fps in 4k in some games
>>341416943
So they are outright admitting they are ignoring framerate again huh?
>>341422864
well its like you didnt even actually pay attention to any of the words around "xbox oneS"
even though you said it was a slim. the rest of the logic was only like one square foot in front of that reasoning.
>>341421676
Wrong
4096x2160 is 4K
2048x1080 is 2K
3840x2160 is UHD(but it's a meme to call it 4K)
1920x1080 is Full HD
>>341422865
>4K res is a huge performance tax.
Not as much as you'd think
>>341422873
>R9 390
>$310
>about to get a huge price drop
Not even half of the cost.
>>341421026
>>341423093
>R9 390
>running 4k smoothly
pick one, troglodyte
>>341422929
>it would be up to the devs I guess
Devs arent gonna do shit unless it involves lotsa more money, so lol.
But that same sentence makes me worry about devs being shit and suddenly theyre introduced to a fantastic new world of bullshot possibilities. like....imagine bullshots...but for a scorpio game. imagine after THAT what the original xbox one/ps4 game will look like. oh god.
>>341421676
>3840x2160 is UHD
>prcject sccrpic
what did the mean by this?
>>341423093
It can barely do fucking 1440p at 60 its 4k is way below 30.
It cant even do Far Cry 4 at 1080p 60fps
>>341421339
>He got baited into the VR memery
AH HAHAHAHAHAHA
>xfags were gloating over this just 24 hours ago
wew
