Which is the one everyone says to avoid? Is it Origins or Knight? I played the first 2 on 360, and right now Knight is on sale for half off on PSN. Should I get it, or is this the one that's panned? Also, do you need to play origins to get the story in Knight?
Origins is average. Knight is pretty solid game (Even on PC it's decent now). Get Arkham Knight
>>341389646
it was only a dodgy clusterfuck on pc.
>>341390225
>>341390290
Yeah I remember the whole PC thing where it was getting 0 FPS and it was unplayable. But I remember one of them being pretty poorly received as a game, I was pretty sure it was origins.
Anything specific in Origins that leads to anything in Knight?
>>341389646
>Also, do you need to play origins to get the story in Knight?
No, but it helps to understand why Deathstroke is so butt blasted
To answer your question they're both weak entries compared to the first 2 but there's no harm in playing them
Yes, theJokerplot directly continues from City
Also theHushplot
there's probably exposition anyway
Anyone that says knight isn't good is a buttblasted PC fag. It was so freaking good and the batmobile was very enjoyable
>>341390739
Is it still busted on PC? I think I can get the entirety of the game, DLC included for about 40 bucks on steam
>>341390829
>40 bucks
people payed less than that for all of it BEFORE it launched
wait for a sale
>>341390829
it's 29.99 for the gold edition or whatever, with the ludicrous amount of DLC on PSN right now, albeit most of the DLC is just skins.
>>341390739
Knight was good. But the reasons I didn't like it that much was because of the batmobile. They make u use it WAY to much
>>341390459
Nope origins in a prequel and doesn't touch on anything really.
>>341390739
This. Knight is one of the few non-shit AAA games released this gen.
Get Knight OP.
>>341389646
If you really care to play origins just read Batman Year One or watch it's animated counterpart and save yourself the trouble.
Heisenberg is Gordon and he's pretty good imo.
>>341390829
Haven't played the PC version. But from what I heard it's much better now than it was on launch day. Still a little funky though
>>341390829
Played last weekend, ran perfectly for me on my gtx 680. Bought off g2a for $10, good game.
>>341390987
I'm having trouble adjusting to the new controls for some things since I played City and Asylum a couple times over.
Am I missing out on Riddler Trophies story and shit in Knight? I hate Riddler in these games.
>>341391569
>Am I missing out on Riddler Trophies story and shit in Knight? I hate Riddler in these games.
You need to get them all for the true ending
Use Youtube instead
Huh, I just tried to buy origins on Ps4 because I never played it and I bought Knight in the sale. Didn't even realize Origins was a last-gen game. I thought Origins was an early ps4/xbone game around launch.
>>341391089
Geez, this pic is great. Good job.
>>341391814
Probably will, why is Riddler so fucking tedious?
Can I just do Catwomans shit and be content?
>>341392281
Pretty much. You can save Catwoman without doing all of the Riddler shit but if you do all the Riddler shit you can fight him while he's in a robot suit or something.
Origins has a shit open world (it doesn't feel like a city) but some nice additions to the gameplay, my favorite is martial artist enemies, they should have expanded more on that idea.
Knight is the best overall, except for one key thing: shit bossfights.
I'll say this every chance i have: this series has still much to give, they can still be greatly improved. I hope WB has at leas two more planned.
>>341392616
way is he so mad
Beyond game when? Nightwing game when?
>>341392782
I know one reason, I'm still working through the game but I didn't see THAT though.
>37 pieces of DLC on PS4 included in the sale
>no "download all" button
WEW
>>341391338
How much a PC like yours would cost me?. I want to mod this game with the magic of PC.
>>341393734
>he wants to buy a 680 in 2016
anon
>>341393846
I'm poor. And if that not high tier card can do the job, then i want it.
>>341393018
na he can be happy
>>341394402
Bats impregnating the whole city should be a comic. Who is best batfu?
I claim Egghead and since he's never coming back I go with Harley.
>>341394914
>>341390829
>DLC
If your going to buy the episodes I highly recommend the Batgirl one because that is the only episode that has a decent time and a plot line to follow unlike the others; two rooms and then a boss fight.
>>341395147
Is that a ponytail coming out the back? I can work with this if so.
>>341395697
yes
>>341395931
goes my dick.
Thanks anon you have given me the erection.
>>341395594
I was gonna get the premium edition or whatever, my favourite thing, one of my favourite things in this series is the challenge maps so the more I get the better.
I wish they'd just make Asylum and City bc but no we have to fuck it up like Silent Hill hd.
>>341396067
your welcome
Origins is fine, it's just the PC ports that suck
>>341394352
There's no reason to buy previous gen cards really, just buy a cheaper one from previous gen.
Which means wait a little bit because AMD and Nvidia are coming out with new cards
>>341390829
They should give her differents skins like Batman and Harley
>>341396331
Hey buddy this is a blue board
>>341396404
How could you fight her? I want to protect her smile/butt.
Is she an actual model ala B&B corps from mgs4?
>>341392794
They couldn't make a good Beyond game.
Just not enough interesting bad guys to put in a game.
I mean they had fucking Bane in the show and then they brought back The Joker via nano-machines.
Oh and seeing Grandma Harley Quinn was cash.
Plus his suit is way OP.
>>341397176
yes
>>341396948
Nothing lewd about it friend.
Are you trying to kill me? I'll show up again...
>>341397475
I'd argue there is enough of Rogue Gallery to support at least one Beyond Game
Origins is the black sheep of the franchise. It's not bad but not on par with the others.
>>341397580
I don't know, senpai.
After seeing Epilogue where Terry finds out Bruce is his biological father and then purposes to his QT22/7, I got enough closure for Terry, Bruce and Beyond.
>>341397906
It'll always be there, but then again with how poorly Beyond has been handled by DC maybe you're right.
>>341397906
Is there a Beyond skin for Knight? I remember one for City how about DKR old man bat?
>Knight
>Endless batmobile
>good
fuck all you faggots who recommend that shitty game
>>341392794
fucking christ beyond is terrible
fuck off children
>>341398452
Your opinion is shit
>>341390739
knight was shit because the batmobile was forced down your throat at every turn. you get out of it to go chase down the knight only for the misison to set up remote control tank shit.
they build up side missions like pyg only for it to be a qte. the final boss is a cutscene. they build up deathstroke and have him shit talk you over the radio only for that to be another tank fight. when you finally do get to the knight its the same exact fight as deadshot was in city but instead they do it three times in a row. they present the islands with a huge skyline to fly and glide around in and they added cool grapnel boosts to facilitate making gliding more fast and fun, yet you're still forced into the tank. you actually have to lower the tank underground for a fucking sewer mission. and let's not forget the story: "knight will be a new character" which turned out be a horseshit.
put your fucking console war shitposting machine away and accept valid criticism.
is this the PSN sale thread
are Dishonored and DaS2 super complete edition good
>>341398106
I liked it, even when it's not the real thing.
>>341398192
But the batmobile wasfun.
>>341398592
I dunno about DaS2 but Dishonored is very much fun
>>341398664
sold
>>341397567
Are we gonna see Harley and Catbutt in Arkham VR?
>>341389646
Knight is pretty bland.
>very predictable story
>forces batmobile onto you too many times to count
>worst boss fights in the series
>atrocious batsuits
Origins had the better setting and better story. Gameplay wise its nothing really new from City.
>>341398619
Looks like what I'd expect. Does it do the mini cape thing like it did in show and in City?
I like small touches like that.
>>341398592
I wouldn't get the first sinner of ds2 but vanilla ds2 with all the DLCs are worth it.
>>341398952
>atrocious batsuits
I strongly disagree with this one.
>>341399057
Scholar of the First Sin doesn't include everything?
>>341398786
yes?
>>341391194
mike is gordon on knight
bishop is scarecrow
>>341399024
Yeah, but now it's actually the cape and not wings like in City.
Here, Miller's old Bruce. It looks like BvS Bats, but that's expected.
asylum
>original game and best story
>lacks cool stuff from later games
city
>best gameplay and boss fights
>open world can ruin the story
origins
>comfy snow
>same open world problems
knight
>looks good?
>forced batmobile world of tanks bullshit
>>341399085
I was referring to the "Arkham" styled suits like>>341398619
The Batfleck suit is top fucking tier.
Why are there no torrents for Knight?
Or is it kickass having fewer and fewer torrents in general?
>>341399205
>Mike
>Bishop
Who? I was referring to Bryan Cranston in Year One animated.
I think Origins and Knight are both pretty shit, I'd have to say that Origins pleases me more thoroughly with small things but Knight is more well-rounded.
Knight is also really cluttered, like the UI, the environments, the story, everything.
>>341399475
>>341399205
Mike as in Ehermantraut
I don't remember a Bishop in Breaking Bad though? Went over my head until I thought about it.
>>341397475
the batman beyond n64 game was the shit
>>341399410
Oh yeah, i would love to pretend that Batfleck suit is the final Arkham suit. But my canon autism don't let me.
The robo-plates are cool and that, but, i like my Batman to look like Batman.
>>341399646
>>341399475
my bad. bishop is from fringe. was it walter bishop?
>>341390829
The PC version is perfectly playable on a good graphics card but you need the vram to get everything
>>341399327
I like that design period. Is animated series represented?
I wish there was a mode where we could play with villans model swapped or something.
Literally play through the animated series in game.
Anybody play Batman Begins game? Did they get idea for the guys freaking out at a certain threshold and shooting at nothing like in it?
Knight felt out of place in the Trilogy because it just went cyber vidya gaem future iron man aesthetic than what was intended for city and asylum which was just a comic book video game.
Origins is just a terribly bugged reskinned City. Has batcave though.
I liked them all.
Origins > Asylum > City > Knight
Knight would've been GOAT if it wasn't for so much tank combat. Leave the Batmobile in there and the more imaginative uses of the Batmobile in the game and take out the boring ass, lazy tank combat. I liked, for example, the Batmobile platforming and the one boss fight against the Total Recall type thing.
>>341397475
>just not interesting enough bad guysdon't you like R63 Ra's Al Ghoul?
>>341399823
Never watched Fringe so idk. I actually thought Mike was the model for the doctor in Phantom Pain myself.
>>341390829
it is playable but to get full graphix you'll need 4gb of vram. you will be able to run it at good FPS but there will be drops.
it is also very cheap on PC with all DLC. i cant believe people paid fu cking full price for the DLC which is pretty shitty.
>>341400034
No BTAS skins at all. I was thinking they'd do pic related sine they did BTAS in AC but I was wrong.
>>341400154
That ink chick was hot.
>>341400109
origins must be your first game.
>>341400154
That shit weirded me the fuck out after seeing the reveal.
I like to think of Infamous as Static Shock game.
>>341400335
so much fetish fuel
Ten is also good.
>>341400357
no that was asylum
>>341400389especially after 'she' kisses bruce
some really fucked up shit right there
>>341392794
Fuck off I want a Static Shock game next.
>>341399407
Eh, for me, the best story goes for City, maybe because i loved the ending. And the open world works also well in City, i think.
Origins open world is shit, it doesn't feel like a city. It would have been beter if it was level based instead of open world.
From Knight loved: fear takedowns (don't feel then overpowered, and they are very "Batmany"), throwing batarangs while gliding, new powered gadgets, new stealth obstacles (medicals, guys with anti detective mode suits, flying drones) and, of course, the batmobile. Shit boss battles, that's for sure.
Playing through it after taking off time because my shit tv couldn't play audio anymore and just picked it back up. How do I use environment takedowns in hand to hand and get rid of shock shield thing?
>>341400406
But still who was Terrys main arch-nemesis?
I don't remember there being one honestly.
why the fuck did no one tell me arkham city was like a 5 hour game? after that it was just shitty riddler trophies and side quests not counting the DLC
>>341399746
I don't think any suit from the games can top Batfleck's. Its perfect.
Yeah, the tacticool plates were ridiculous. Origins had the better batsuit. It made him look huge, as he should be. Its a shame Knight completely fucked up that suit.
>>341400702
Arkham City's storyline is pretty shit and didn't make a whole lot of sense, that's one of the main reasons I enjoyed Origins more. Origins seemed like the only one with a coherent story.
>>341400950
i haven't played origins yet, will have to give it a try
>>341390739
it's good in comparison to origins and some other major releases during that time but it wasn't a good follow up to city
>>341400562
Infamous1&2 are the closest you get.
I hate supes but animated series, Red sun and smallville were pretty good anybody think we could get like a telltale esque can't save everyone thing?
I hope we don't get another fucking origin story in telltale Batman and even then I'm probably not going to play it. How many times do people need to see his origin over and over again to get it through their thick fucking skull?
Pic is me.
Asylum > City > Knight > Origins
-Origins is the only one in the series I haven't bothered to finished due to its fan-fic tier writing and how unpolished it feels.
-Knight is tad better, but shit boss fights and bat-tank keep it down.
-City was great, but it made the mistake of going sandbox which has tainted the rest of the series. Padding out what should have been a tighter story driven experience with a hub just added unnecessary tedium to an excellent game.
-Asylum wins by being the most focused. It excels at making you feel like the Batman going trough a particularly shitty night, without padding it out cheaply with a hub or uncharacteristic bat-tank wankert.
>>341392281
You can, but like they said he counts for the true ending in knight. You need to take a number of the guys down if you want to activate the "Knightfall Protocol" ...which you can easily get on Youtube.
Getting all the trophies means you will face him one last time and "count" towards your Countdown, which, after all of the shit we have to do in order to get the trophies I have to admit is pretty satisfyingCatwoman joins in at the middle of the fight and you both wreck his shit.
>>341401039
People don't like it but I never got the hate. As a world, it made a bit more sense to me than City. It is also the only game where the combat is slightly challenging and you have to pay attention. Also has pretty good DLC.
>>341400034
>Anybody play Batman Begins game?
I did, after playing the Arkhams. Inferior, but good enough in my book.
I would borrow some things from that game to give them to Arkham: the optic cable and the ability to climb on pipes and vertical ropes (to more stealth, the grappling gun in Arkham s too noisy).
Arkham still did the fear thing better, the stealth parts of Begins were too much scripted. Also, it relied on the goons drooping their guns: if i was scared of something, i wouldn't drop my best chance to survive.
>>341400950
Origins had goat character designs and probably the best story of them all, except for over half of the assassins being useless/have less than 5 minutes screen time. It was really just an xpac more than a step forward which is what made most people dislike it. Origins Bane was GOAT.
>>341401185
Number of guys? What does that mean? Interrogations?
>>341400667mad stan
>>341401360
Number of side missions complete
>>341401354
i liked the new bruce wayne voice too, good conroy impression and he seemed to have a bit more range than current conroy.
i think conroy is too old now, his performance in arkham knight was a bit lacking.
>>341399746
I remember the early interviews putting so much hype into the Deathstroke fight and the idea that this was a raw Batman who basically was being forced to cobble a suit together.
While I think it looks dope, that is hardly the suit of a guy who is just "starting" on his neverending quest for Justice.
Shame the multiplayer never panned out either. Could've been fun.
>>341401493
I'll do those probably then but not the trophies and riddles in that case. Dlc side missions count?
>>341401586
You are looking for this one >>341400875 Origins suit
This >>341399746 is Knight suit
>>341401360
Yeah, sorry. What >>341401493
You got a number of side missions to complete before you can get the true ending. Each time you discover a new person to go after, it adds a progress bar to your hub. If you finish the game beforehand, it basically turns into "Countdown to Knightfall"...and though I have never played the other missions, "Season of Infamy", a dlc pack added a number more of side missions to go on including Croc, Freeze,Ras Al Ghul
>>341389646
They're all pretty good. Origins is the weakest one, but it's still a good game, and I do like how it bookends the series with Knight.
>>341401586
>Deathstroke gets punked and never comes back after
>you dont fight him in a white out blizzard trying to out stealth and out muscle each other
I heard somewhere the original plan was to have DS hunt you and fight you multiple times but not sure how true that was or why on earth they would dump that
>>341401773
Holy shit that was. Holy shit what the fuck was I thinking.
IT IS TIME FOR BED NOW.
I never got to finish Origins since in the middle a playthrough my PS3 bricked on me. That was the last game I played on it.
>>341389646
Get knight
>>341400667
I always thought Blight was considered it but it's been ages since I saw Beyond and I don't know how many times he came back to fight Terry.
>>341401164
Open world in Batman was a mistake.
Well, i liked the hub perfectly fine in City, but less in Origins (shit unconvinving city, why there are so many radio towers) and Knight (cool looking city, but incomplete, as it's not the whole Gotham)
>>341389646
Is the Origins suit in AK? Is it DLC or something?
>>341402041
Pacing issues and trying to keep it fresh? I like Origins a lot, but I did dislike how we defeat Deathstroke so early on and kind of easily. But I don't really see where he would've fit in with the story overall, do you sacrifice some boss fights for another DS fight and risk it becoming repetitiveness? Not to mention the "(x) was merely a setback!" shit.
Origins
Knight ran great for me after they fixed it. Still not a great game though. And awful bosses. The batmobile was fun, but couldn't save the game.
>>341402409
*get Origins
>>341402070
Man and then to pour salt in the wound the fucker returns for City only for you to settle things in a fucking TANK BATTLE. JESUS CHRIST.
>>341402395
More or less, it's an alternative version. Yes, it's DLC. Is the one in the center.
>>341402631
Meant for
>>341402041
>>341402648
The Origins suit in AK looks like shit.
>>341402408
Maybe have "black mask" issue DS as the leader and first half of the game is him sending goons/other assassins on you then the second half stays the same? I dunno I just wanted more slade. Especially after the announce trailer
>>341402648
I actually paid for the season pass in full confidence for some reason that this wouldn't warrant a "complete" version. A year later I still haven't done much with it but it's neat to have everything available to me I suppose. Also great to have all the challenge maps too and with pretty much all the characters like Azrael, Red Hood, all that good stuff.
>>341402631
Knight, you mean. My theory is that WB forced Rocksteady to put conections with Origins late in the development. That's why Deathstroke and Firefly are shit in Knight.
>>341402909
And why shouldn't you want him? He was hyped to hell and back and didn't amount to jack shit in the end. Even the fight was piss poor.
Five months prior to actually playing the game though I did get a laugh out of watching my sister's boyfriend and his friend try about twenty times to beat him.
>>341402991
Yeah thank you. You may have noticed I have mentioned going to bed. I'll see myself out now.
>>341400250
Man, Barbara Gordon in BTAS was sex on legs
>>341402648
That's cool. I love all the suits in this game. I'm hoping the Season Pass goes on sale during the Summer Sale or something.
I honestly spend a lot of time in the Showcase just admiring the models in the game. They're just fucking incredible.
>>341401164
Honestly, for me it's:
>Knight>Asylum>City>Origins
I really fucking enjoyed Knight. Gotham felt like a massive, living space, the story and atmosphere felt the closest to Asylum out of the rest of the games and the Batmobile was a ton of fun for me.
The only thing I hated about the Batmobile was the Riddler races. Otherwise, Knight had almost all of the elements I enjoyed about the games wrapped into one package.
Plus it's just gorgeous.
>>341403839
That's from the anime short right?
>>341404256
Something like that. It's called "Anime Batman" in game I think.
>>341404256
Yes, the movie was called Batman: Gotham Knight. Pretty cool, my favorite short was "Working through pain".
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=asEQeCfaEgE
>>341404857
I just like it in-game because of the little detail of his skin around the black makeup because of how big the eye holes are.
Shit like that just tickles me the right way.
>>341404857
Gotham Knight was fucking cool.
>>341404938
Animu eyes are big
>Whole Firefighter questline was building up to Firefly even though I already arrested him
>It was you Fire Chief as I suspected
What
>>341405096
Grifffffith!
Who did you killed, /v/?: Ra's or Nyssa.
>>341405510
Ra's
>>341405337
Underhill was helping Firefly. Those clues weren't for nothing.
>>341397475
>Stalker
>Mad Stan
>Inque
>Jokerz
>Blight
>Shriek
>GOLEM
>Curare
>Spellbinder
>Royal Flush Gang with Ten getting her own storyline
>Cuvier/The Splice Guy
>Those Kobra fags
Batgirl DLC is the best DLC
>>341405337
Yeah that one really is pretty easy to put together.
>>341389646
Origins is worth a run through
Has some fun boss fights and some god tier events
>That Red Hood flashback sequence
Knight is worth a playthrough too. It really makes Batman feel like an unstoppable monster.
>>341405834
>>341405937
I wonder how her suit smells after an especially strenous night of crime fighting.
>>341405834
Indeed, except for the anachronisms. They should have made a different way for Batgirl to hack stuff, instead of using a gadget which wasn't yet invented.
>>341406142
IIRC the same team that made Origins made this DLC so the fact that it's subpar in those areas isn't surprising
>>341390829
It works pretty damn well now, but it went from basically being unplayable to unoptimized for PC.
I played through it back when I had the 970 and it got heavily patched, and only a few things gave me frame issues:
>A mandatory batmobile section later in the game with a lot of particle effects.
>Some of the Penguin sections due to the effects.
>One late game section that had a lot of reflective surfaces and enemies.
And even then, it was mostly in the 30s and still playable. Part of it might have been the NVIDIA gameworks stuff (I have the Smoke and Fog effect turned off still, the paper one is also what I suspect caused issues with the Penguin sections). I played through the DLC on my 980 Ti and had almost no frame issues outside the odd zipline hiccup.
>>341406476
I have a 270 and it ran decently for me the only major issue I had was a ton of texture pop-in during cutscenes
>>341406393
Yes, their biggest sin is the boost for the grappling gun from City in Origins. It wasn't even necesary, you can go just as fast without it.
>>341406824
and the electro gloves why would he ever get rid of those gloves
What did you think of the ending?Was that giant bat-thing monster Bruce using scarecrow toxin? Or a new Batman? Or maybe a supernatural being?
>>341406993
And Deathsroke's thing to remotely hang people. And the glue grenades.
The Origins guys are just lazy when it comes to making gadgets.
>>341407127I'm totally going with Bruce using fear toxin. The goons now belive that is a supernatural Batman.
>>341391025
There are villains in knight that are mad at Batman for shit that happened in origins but it's nothing major
>>341407127Imagine if we could play as Batman using the fear toxin, you see a bunch of bad guys, throw a fear toxin grenade, then transform into a huge monster bat to fight them
>>341407364
At some point a thug mentions that sometimes people never come back from the fear toxin I doubt Bruce would do that to people and with civilians around?
>>341407602
Good observation. Maybe he changed the formula with that in mind?.
>>341407602
Not if it's in a cenario like in Arkham Knight where there are no civillians in the streets
>>341407127
It was definitely Batman, I wouldn't be surprised if Bruce as an identity is gone forever. Now I wonder if anyone in the bat family is aware that he and Alfred are alive.
>>341404460
>>341405834
>That Bar and Harley booty
Agreed. I think Rocksteady and CDPR are the only two Western developers who know how to make decent women.
>>341408435
>>341405834
Post more babs
>>341408975
>>341409425
>>341409507
>Tfw they took out the bats and streak when you got a good combo
why
Nice thread, /v/. Let's hope Spider-Man gets the same treatement from Insomaniac as Batman got from these devs.
>>341410140
Thank God Spiderman barely uses the Spider Mobile.
>>341410293
But can either of those compare to The Flash Mobile? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lkz_ccWOm5g
>>341410140
I think Batman is really fucking cool and I'm happy Rocksteady was able to give him a trilogy of great games, I almost hope they'd milk the series but I don't know where they plan on going.
>>341410585
They should make a Superman open world game
>>341392616
Batman would work beautifully as an episodic game.
>>341410742
Impossible, you would be so GODDAMN op it couldn't work.
>>341411205
They could just do something similar to Infamous 2 and have him be depowered
>>341411205
Why, just make him fight op villains
>>341410967
I agree, they should jump around the timeline a bit. I want my Dick Robin era game and Tim and Babs era game, and a Todd era game. I pretty much just want this shit shoved down my throat for a few more years.
Man, Rocksteady knows how to make asses
Hey, morons.
What's up with the cryptic VR Batman game Rocksteady is a part of? They just released a trailer for it a few days ago. Is it just the other games made for VR or something new?
>>341412064
http://kotaku.com/what-s-it-s-like-to-be-batman-in-vr-1781967245
>>341412528
Thanks batfam
https://mega.nz/#F!EpIXBJAC!wz_VwZ4BKs9fqqaRRAtFQA
http://vocaroo.com/i/s0cqnGoAYqGJ
>>341413680
>>341414152
>>341394352
A 680 will cost you more than the 480 or 1060 that are coming out and it'll have half the performance of them. Making dumb purchase decisions is how you stay poor.
>>341389646
origins was bugged to hell
now it's ok
knight was/is bugged to hell
avoid on PC
origins is a solid batman game
best bosses
knight is vanilla batman + shoved cars
i know you are going to play knight, but if you want a better game, play origins
AA>AO>AK>AC
>>341411731
Not only asses. They nailed everything about the girls.