Let's get a Guilty Gear thread going, there's been surprisingly few since Revelator's release.
Maybe we could even make a Player Room to play together in
>>341388157
which gg wud u fug
>>341388157
I'd join.make a room, but I don't have a ps3 at the moment cuz of reasons that would devolve into blogshit. So have some best girl being cute.
Kinda hard getting any kind of discussion after E3
>>341389902
>>341390019
Fuck off with your shitty flavor of the month esports game.
>>341390139
>PS3
Is the game cross play between PS3 and PS4 like Sign was? Would suck to not be able to play with some of you guys when my copy arrives.
>>341390642
Yeah it's cross-play
Blazblue/Guilty Gear crossover when?
>>341389902
Why does Overwatch keeps butting it's head with every talk of Revelator lately. I haven't been in one discussion that here or outside 4chan where Overwatch didn't get mentioned once for whatever reason.
Is Ariels the best female villain to come out of a modern video game?
It feels weird that Arc didn't do any balance changes from xrd to revelator, which is why I'm holding off on buying it.
Yea, who am I'm kidding, I'm just too poor and lazy to buy it.
>>341390642
there is some fairly good crossplay but for right now the recent patch hasnt come out for NA ps3 copies of the game, so they cannot crossplay currently, hopefully its delivered soon though.
>>341392006
They'll do it after Dizzy is added I'm sure which will be right after Evo. I like this approach purely on a competitive scene mindset with waiting until sometime after the console release to do one. It lets everyone outside Japan actually not be way behind since they have the latest version of the characters while everyone else is stuck with the old version. However for whatever reason they don't change the balance at all even though I think it's good now, then I'll be first to say "What the fuck Arcsystemworks".
is sin the cutest?
>>341392006
Oh shit. I barely noticed that there weren't any balance changes, but I like what >>341392479 said. It makes sense.
>>341391768
Dunno but holy fuck I didn't expect her to be THAT entertaining
Playable when?
So do I need a fight stick to do well in this game or is the regular PS4 controller enough?
>>341392479
They already confirmed a long long time ago before the console release in a famitsu article that there would be a balance patch for free for console revelator.
>>341393267
Pad works well for a lot of characters in GG, but May is not one of them.
>>341393430
Oh did they? That's good to hear. If you have the article I would love to have a link to it since I have tourney players who think they aren't going to change the balance at all. Having definitive proof will end that conversation once and for all.
>>341388157
>Not another trap
>>341393267
You can technically do well with a controller, but a lot of the shit you do in GG is easier on a stick once you get accustomed to it. For example, Instant Air Dashing isn't that bad to do on a ps3 or ps4 controller, but I personally don't like the D-Pad on either controller because I don't feel like I'm hitting 9 then 6 because the buttons are spaced awkwardly for me.
Again, doable, but taking a week or two to learn how to use a stick might be better in the long run.Though if you're using Zato, then just learn a stick.
>>341393430
Plz nerf chipp and milia. Thanks arc
>>341394176
>Nerf
>Chipp
Why? Hes objectively one of the hardest in the game. Fuck hes one of the characters that has to drop guaranteed damage often just because if he hits you with anything that doesn't start with a counter hit its shit for him.
>>341391361
Good news I'd that the current GG ARC is over, Sol got his happy ending, so now, we have to hope Central Fiction gives Ragna a happy ending like they did to Sol, and that arc will be over, and if the rumors are true, then we will get a crossover then.
I can't wait for the posdible match ups.
>Ragna vs Sol
>Jin vs Ky
>Rachel vs Slayer
>>341394417
Not sure why he would think Chipp needs a nerf. Only thing I can think of that should be nerfed is Raven's stance. Now before I sound like a scrub. Rest of Raven is fine he has his clear weaknesses. In fact I'm not even saying nerf the stance cancel to super. All I want to nerf is being able to YRC that stance anytime, regardless what happens. I mean if it takes an attack it should be just a regular RC after. Just seems a little too ridiculous to me for such little meter.
>>341394159
It has nothing to do with learning it actually, if I had one I wouldn't mind. I'm just too much of a cheapskate to buy one.
Now that they've finally revealed That Man's name and face I'm wondering if they will make him playable in the next game. Blazblue went and made their Big Bad playable in Central FictionAlso Update/DLC that lets me use Elphelt's original outfit in Revelator when? I can't stand the stupid chain collar she has
>>341394609
Nah, they'll come up with Xrd _______ to make more money and appease fans by bringing more characters. This is Arscys we are talking about.
>>341395050
Then don't play Zato, May, or I-no. It is doable.
You can always make your own fightstick if money is an issue and you have a spare controller that you don't mind taking apart.
>>341394417
I'd feel bad if the whole screen wasn't his oki. I play Venom and it's really easy for Chipps to run me over. No balls - no threat. My pokes aren't convertible to any solid damage or knockdown unless I have meter. Without meter, I also have only the basic system defensive mechanics since my fastest normal is cS at 5 frames.
>>341393549
why do you say this? im on a hori pad, play may and dont feel like im missing out on anything
>>341395593
It's still very possible to play said characters with a pad, see BeautifulDude who plays Zato for example.
>>341395885
Because charging is harder on pad and negative edging her dolphins on pad would be super counter intuitive. There are quite a few setups that require you to negative the dolphins to do setups.
>>341389837
taokaka
>>341396045
can you explain negative edging? ive never heard that term before
>>341388157
any kum players here? shes the best.
>>341396487
Using the release of a button as a button press. To release her dolphins you can hit the button you set it with and then hold it until you let go of the button to release the dolphin. This is really important for a lot of things as May. It's even more important as Zato.
>>341393267
my thumb tends to lock up which makes quick repetitive movements like dashing very hard so i should probly invest in a stick
btw does anybody else struggle to perform certain analog stick movements when your character is to the right of the opponent, cuz my success rate drops to around 20% when it happens (from like 50%)
>>341396692
thats normal
people need to practice doing everything on both sides
Has a tier list been released yet? all I know is Johnny is top tier.
>>341396670
oh i see what you mean. applause for the victim's dolphins don't need 2 button presses for a quick release if you time it right. It can be a pain to get that timing down, i agree. but i dont see how its counter intuitive on a pad? dont you just get good at it no matter what?
>>341392306
I played with some ps4 players last night, unless I'm retarded and wasn't actually.
>>341397267
not that i'm aware of. jam is definitely low tier, raven is probably mid tier, haehyun is likely upper mid or high tier, and jack-o is a mystery
>>341396692
Finger exercises might help anon.
I don't know if there is a picture for this, but I can explain this exercise as best I can.
Start out with your fingers together and extend your index finger out. There should now be a gap between your index finger and middle finger. Close it and make it so there is a gap between the middle and ring finger. Do the same for the ring finger and pinkie finger. Do it again in reverse and repeat the entire process as much you'd like.
It's normal for the fingers to cramp during this exercise if it's your first time doing it, but keep at it since it helps with finger dexterity. Do the same for both hands.
>>341397524
Lmao rip jam puffballs. I wonder if they're going to reintroduce forcebreak moves and make them into normal moves that are good, like Sol's Fafnir
Does anyone have any tips for defending well? I'm trying to learn Bedman but I get fucking wrecked since I can't seem to effectively get out of pressure, especially against characters like Sol.
>>341397879
well i have this weird sort of trigger finger thing in some of my joints, its hard to explain but its basically what the kid had in his arm in that movie "rookie of the year".
the finger rigidly locks into a certain position and from there it kinda springs out, so its hard to get any smooth action from it
not to mention that ever since i replayed metroid prime over a decade ago ive been able to crack my thumb indefinitely as many times as i want, which is weird cuz most joints cant do that.
>>341398523
I'd get that thumb looked at if I were you, but the finger exercise I explained should help with some of your joints, along with other exercises that you can google.
>>341398486
Learn WHEN to burst. Using a burst to interrupt a combo is bad. Using a burst to interrupt to a combo that ends in an oki setup or puts you in the corner is good. Other than that, I don't what else to tell you since I don't play Bedman.
Is there info how much Xrd entrants on EVO this year?
>>341399526
as of last week, its confirmed over 500 entrants. source was a stream wizard was on
>>341393267
Neither. You should use hitbox for this game, it's superior to stick.
>>341399874
Damn, I hope the final number will be close to last year.
>>341399918
What is the purpose of a hitbox? I've seen one person use it and it was on a dare since they won one that same day at a tourney I went to.
>>341399918
How does that even work?
>>341400059
Over 500 entrants could mean a lot of things, from 501 to 1500. i think the number will be high
>>341400113
Red buttons correspond to the four directions.
Hitboxes are just keyboard controls re-arranged to fit your hands more.
They aren't inherently better than any other control scheme.
>>341400106
>>341400113
Buttons instead of stick. You just place your hand over them and just tap them. Makes your inputs very fast and precise and doesn't require insane amount of time to get used to like arcade stick. You can do IADs by simply tapping 68 and 6 and you can even do some scrub shit like mashing 62 and attack in blockstrings for instant dp.
>>341396692
>Zappa got an avatar head
>But Robo Ky and Baiken didn't
Zappa confirmed for secret last DLC character
>>341392306
>the recent patch hasnt come out for NA ps3 copies of the game
It did though. I updated to 1.02 yesterday.
>>341395019
>Raven's stance
The fuck? Why would you want to nerf it? He's not even doing damage in it and he's extremely vulnerable if you hit him hard after it
>>341400631
>avatar head
You mean like what you would see on character select? Link what you mean cause I'm curious.
>>341401241
>>341401690
Oh those things. I guess Zappa is a dlc head or something. Which means Baiken and Robo Ky will be added with another pack I suppose so it really doesn't mean anything.
>>341401804
You can't buy Zappa's avatar head
>>341402213
Never mind then, that was just a guess on my part. That is a little interesting then.
It's so awesome they included more old tracks.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BKKPE8_bgG0
>>341399457
thanks for the advice, i'll try those
>>341389837
I want to lewd the May
How do you deal with Venom setplay? 2S into whatever is really good, Im not even particularly sure how to approach neutral vs a good Venom
>>341395593
i-no is perfectly fine on pad. All her inputs have been simplified from XX so it's pretty easy.
>>341403465
>doing frame perfect iads fdc confirms
>pefectly fine on pad
Yeah, sure.
STOP PICKING PUMPKINS FUCK
Anyone from EU up for some games later?
>>341403717
source?
I don't care for this series, but OP is pretty hot. Post more feet.
>>341403358
It all depends on character. In general you have to watch out with DPs since 90% of his pressure is DP safe
>>341404101
>STOP PICKING PUMPKINS FUCK
You need to do 3P instead of 2P
>>341404282
>>341404421
<33333
>>341404523
i want ramlethal to step on me
>>341404328
Well that changes everything
Jack-O is such a fucking annoying enemy to fight. At first I think she's a fun character but holy shit that 3HS spam driving me fucking crazy.
>>341404257
>>341396579
Still need to buy her
>>341404567
I wanna give her a massage.
>>341404737
a foot massage
>>341404676
She's still free I guess.
>>341404776
The best kind.
>>341404825
I bet he is euro
>>341404841
Why couldn't she just die?
How should someone be playing Jack-O? Is your priority to play keepaway/use her longer range attacks to give you space until you have some minions out? What's her best approach methods?
>>341404950
>tfw plaging Raven
Literally a braindead character for people who want to do setplay but cant put time learning Zato, Venom or Millia. He even has Merkava tier command grab fucking wow
>>341405105
I like her better with the footwraps. Something about them just turns me on.
>>341405105
>>341405070
>deploy pumpkins
>if enemy has good projectiles -> aegis shield
>spam 3hs like there's no tomorrow
>end every combo with grab
>abuse your dust buttons
>>341405070
pretty much, you're looking for opportunities to plant houses and she has quite a few ways to achieve that, good neutral buttons and 3HS is stupid good.
>>341405070
Annoy the fuck out of them with f.S and 3H. Avoid air to air situations.
Always go for knockdown with grab, servants are worth much more than some simple combo extenders.
Calvados is great hitbox wall of fuck you you're not coming here
>>341404987
Didn't she die?
>>341405120
How is he braindead? He has some really cool mixups and require a clever use of his stance. His grabs are really slow and any character with good long poke or dp can counter you on reaction.
>>341405207
they are quite lewd
>>341404663
do you have the source though?
>>341397474
>>341400870
oh shit really? i guess my friends on ps3 are getting fucked because they say they havent gotten the patch yet.
Kum is best girl and best boy
Yeah, by the way, how did she survive? The only thing which wasn't explained in Revelatoror maybe I missed the explanation
>>341405445
At low-mid levels of play he is literally set and forget: the character.
I tried him in Jap lobbies and got bodied 15-0 by I-no and Zato players
>>341405674
i figured raven resurrected her with backyardigans magic
>>341405674
Raven presumably saved her by teleporting her away, but if he got her out of there how did her arm and leg get fucked up?
>>341405505
nu on pixiv but he'll never draw ram again nor will his ram doujins get scanned
>>341406001
damn i want some pizza
>>341406264
The only thing Ram loves more than Elphelt is hamburgers
>>341406264
>>341406406
I share Ram's love of hamburgers
>>341406406
And Sin
>still no Ariels fanart
Is guilty gear a bad choice for my first fighter? I made it through the tutorial and it was fun, but I can barely get pass most of the combo tutorials.
>>341407205
It's sad they killed her right away. She's quite hot, I'd love to see her playable. Revelator was really strange game, they explained like fucking EVERYTHING.
>>341407607
Yes on the basis that it's way more complex than most other games, and no on the basis that you should learn the game you want to get good at. Check out the guilty gear crash course to help you get started learning fundamentals of anime fighters.
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLj34EySs1IeZ8GpjKW8R2T6dzI6B3GSuH
slightly outdated video series covering the same topics but might have useful information anyway:
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLj34EySs1IeaAqwsVY_P43mP13AD1Pp3R
>>341407607
Depends on if you can a bit of patience to learn the game. It'll feel much more natural after some practice.
>>341407607
Not at all, in fact its the best to go into if were talking about anime/airdash type fighters. You also have a lot of online resources. I implore you to watch the Airdash Academy and Guilty Gear Crash Course video series in Youtube for vital information.
In this game, going for long optimum combos isnt as important as proper fundamentals and executing Okizeme properly, so its ok if you dont take the fancy combos you learn in challenge mode. Also watch professionals play. Go to www.keeponrock.in and find video matches of your character played by top tier players to get an idea how they should work
>>341407708
It's a real disappointment, she's a villain who's not even playable or anything, she's not even developed enough to pose a real sense of rivalry among the other characters.
>>341407607
Considering how friendly it is for new players, not at all
Go on your pace, practice the stuff you have problems with, don't rush like you'll know kung fu after doing all challenges
Last night I paid a camgirl six bucks to show me her feet on webcam. Worth it.
>>341407708
Ishi isn't fucking around, he is advancing the plot without the very typical, especially in fighters, care for characters.
>>341388157
shit game
top sniffs
>>341408229
Rev is like first game which actually advanced plot somehow.
>>341394609
>gives Ragna a happy ending
Somehow I doubt that.
Yo, i am getting ps4 soon and gg will be one of the first games im Getting. Did the controls or mecha ics change alot since accent core?
>tfw i played almost every gg game on keyboard
>>341409032
It would be easier to ask what didn't change at this point
Controls still the same. HS+S is now blitz shield though
>>341409032
Xrd is very similar to Reload. As for AC - forcebreaks were removed since devs didn't like em. Slashbacks replaced by Blitz Shield which is quite neat mechanic.
>tfw i played almost every gg game on keyboard
I know that feel, bro. Since I main Ky my transition to gamepad wasn't that painful but I really need to build hitbox one day.
FAB think he slick >_> >_>He dabbin!
>>341409032
RC works a bit different. Now you can cancel startup and recovery of the moves. Cancelling startup for projectiles can change gameplay significantly.
>>341409032
changed a lot
no more forcebreaks
no more slashbacks
no more frc's
some characters got simplified (johnny, slayer, i-no)
auto jump installs make life ez
danger time is fucking retarded.
thats about it.
>>341410834
>auto jump installs
How did they change jump installs? I thought the mechanic worked the same way as in XX. I don't play a character that requires them so I only know about them in theory.
>>341394609
Nah more like
>Sol vs Ragna
>Ky vs Jin
>Elphelt vs Noel
>I-no vs Hazama
>Baiken vs Hakumen
>Slayer vs Valkenhayn
>Zappa vs Arakune
>Kliff vs (nerfed) Jubei
>Justice vs Nu
>>341411043
jump installs stayed the same. There seems to be more special moves with auto jump installs than Accent Core but that might be my imagination. Glad Zweihander has an auto jump install, be a shame if Johnny had to put effort into his free mixups.
>>341411290
Slayer vs Azrael is more like it.
>>341411359
oh I see what you mean. I only played AC+R for a short time before xrd so I didn't realize certain special moves required jump installs before.
>>341411390
>not Gabriel vs Azrael
>>341411527
>not leo vs. azrael
unga unga
>>341388157
>deader than Xrd Sign
Damn shame since Raven is my new main and the netcode is far better this time
At least I'm in Asia and I can play with Japs all day everyday
Any idea how to get better? I'm getting dominated pretty hard online and I'm having a pretty hard time getting the hang of, well, not getting bodied. I feel like I'm always not dealing out a lot of damage while my opponents are dishing out tons of pain on the regular.
I play Elphelt, for reference.
I'm new to this but basically what I understand for all online play is that wired connection is vastly superior to wireless. What do I do if I have wireless for PS3/PS4? Will an ethernet cable fix this somehow or am I retarded?
>>341412048
How are you in terms of game mechanics? Mission mode is a great start for learning a lot of the nuanced stuff that isn't covered in the basic tutorial or really all that clear otherwise. After you get a grasp on that stuff, start reviewing your match footage and good players' match footage and look to see how to approach/deal with opponents. www.keeponrock.in is a good DB for match vids
>>341412048
Are you sure youre doing your pineberry setups properly? Elph is one of the easier characters to play online
>>341412179
Ethernet will do the trick as long as it's connected to your router.
>>341412048
Just keep playing and trying to hit the enemy to the point you will find the optimal moves when and how to hit an enemy.
Honestly though try changing characters. Elphelt has great normals but you will never fully use all of her potential quickly since her grenade, shotgun and sniper rifle are tricky to use
>>341412048
Learn how to block. You generally need to block low all the time and react to overheads. Watch some youtube tutorials and guides for game and for your character specifically. And most importantly, play more. The more you play the more natural your character's moves will feel for you. None of us got gud right away.
>>341412403
The fact you could connect one to a PS3 somehow slipped by me all these years. Thank you.
>>341404307
Not him, but as a guy who first got into GG with Xrd and is learning Venom can you tell me how I should go about Venom's pressure? I always end up dropping the ball (heh) and don't know how to progress if the opponent has any ability to block at all
>>341412048
> I feel like I'm always not dealing out a lot of damage while my opponents are dishing out tons of pain on the regular
Learn your combos and hit confirms. If anyone other than Sin and Johnny are outdamaging you then you aren't doing the right combos
>>341412417
>Elphelt has great normals but you will never fully use all of her potential quickly since her grenade, shotgun and sniper rifle are tricky to use
No they aren't. You can go pretty ham with all three of those with little risk. She has to be one of the easiest characters to play in the game.
>>341412048
I'm not sure this was mentioned yet either, but try to avoid blocking TOO much. You said that your opponents are dishing out tons of pain on the reg and that could be because you're eating too many raw blockstrings and your guard bar is getting really jacked. Use FD and deadangles when appropriate and make sure to look for openings to escape pressure.
>>341412545
venom is a very setup heavy character and requires a lot of knowledge about ball setting and okizeme. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zDMQ9bUPSxs this vid is pretty helpful
>>341412417
I keep having trouble doing the reload for the shotgun and rifle consistently! As for my pineberry setups, any ideas on how to get that out well?
>>341388157
>There's been surprisingly few since Revelator's release
Probably because we're all playing the game famalam. Just woke up and turning on my Ps4 the now whilst making some tea.
Chipp main here currently fucking around loads with Sin.
>>341413006
That could be it! I usually crouchblock and switch to standing block when I see the red flash for a Dust attack
>>341412545
Im the guy haeving problems vs Venom. Go watch Isamu for reference.
Basically you need to know Ball formations. There are a lot, but you usually just need 3 main ones most of the time. I think its set P, set PK which are used a lot. Set P and hit with P is a slow ball that controls the area in front, while set K sets it above ready to be used with a jump attack like j.D or j.K. Set PK is a formation that allows you to control the space in frony and above you, very hard to go through for your opponent if you chain it properly.
They usually start pressure with 2S, a very fastblow normal that chains to 2D, one of the best sweeps in the game. Once down, set a ball using K and do airdash K on the ball on their wakeup. This is the start of your okizeme.
If you cant open them up, Venom players like to scare people with QV. 2K>2S>QV punishes people who mash out and youre free to set balls. If they respect you too much, do TK Mad Struggle S, a very fast overhead that can lead to 2D. It is generally plus on block, and the only way they can get out of it safely is if they Insta block it or Faultless Defense the 2D sweep to push you away.
>>341413447
>>341412545
Also always have a ball out. It will greatly help you since you can use it as a way to control space, or if its behind your opponent, you can use it as an escape by teleporting to said ball. You can then control vertical space with j.D after the teleport since j.D sends balls flying in a very fast vertical pattern
>>341413190
>>341413447
Thanks guys, I appreciate the advice. My buddy plays Sin and beak driver is a bitch to try to get around since it seems to eat everything I can do and comes out in -2 frames. I don't put out enough balls to just have lying around the stage though,
I WANT TOhold hands withRAM-CHAN
>>341414130
also I do like k ball -> j.K oki, but not sure what to do if they manage to block the hit, or what to do against DPs like with Sol
>>341407607
It's one of the best.
After the tutorial, the first thing you should do is the mission mode will teach you basic concepts that carry through in every fighting game. Combo tutorials are neat to do later once you understand how to play the game and just want to pick a character to learn.
Mission mode covers things like:
Pokes
Hit-confirms
Defending/surviving
Meaties
Reversals
and so on.
On top of all that they even have sections for when you are playing against X character, where they teach you how to deal with something gimmicky that X character can do, like Leo's cross up attack.
Everyone should really run through mission mode to get a grasp if they aren't doing too well online.
>>341414462
i dunno for sure but I feel like venom mightmaybe???have a safejump setup for dp's via mad struggle or something like that.
that or if they just block your oki just go for QV pressure strings into TK mad struggle/tick throw/neutral ball place into any move that sends the ball bouncing at a steep angle (j. HS maybe?). p much any shenanigans to try and open em up.
venoms zoning game is only one aspect of his play, he can be an annoying bitch to deal with when he's got you blockin
>>341407607
To be honest, i would say that gg has the resources to 'learn' how o play the game, but the amount of stuff you have to learn can be pretty daunting and while there are a variety of resources online and in game that can teach you, dont expect to be blowin up scrubs or throwin bursts on the regular for awhile
so yeah i mean it's okay but you probably are gonna suck for a while.dont give up though, getting gud through your own efforts is one of the most rewarding feelings in all vidya.
>>341388157
Thems some fine feet.
>>341414130
Funny because I play Sin and I hate fighting Venom. Start your match with 2S because Sin only has 5K to answer 2S due to the small hitbox on Sin's foot when he kicks. He literally has no other moves that are fast enough to deal with 2S. On match start, so he either has 5K or he does IAD or jump back. If you read jump do 6P instead for a quick knockdown into okizeme. Mix your 2S, 6P and IAD 6H on match start, the latter is quick and has good hitbox as well. Harass Sin from afar, you do not want him at mid range since he dominates that range very well due to Beak Driver. Once he closes the gap, pressure with f.S and Carcass Raid. Your goal is to score a knockdown so you can swing the momentum to you.
Sin players get too happy when they chain their moves. If you see them still chaining while their hunger meter is low, its a good time to burst. They'll be low on calorie and will be begging for a window to eat. Take advantage of this and harass him.
If you want an "Oh shit he has meter" emergency button, its never wrong to throw out Dark Angel on knockdown or just to keep away from midrange
