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>>341367447
along with Fnaf
both have rotten fanbases
>daily Undertale threads even during/after E3
Jesus christ, /v/.
>>341367447
>Hard mode: no mentioning the fanbase
>>341367447
excluding the fanbase, the game's writing after the dinosaur shows up turns to complete shit
People made it out to be more than what it actually was.
>>341367546
This. The game itself was fine.
>>341367998
please god no
>>341367941
>Shallow combat system
>Poor contradicting art style
>Complete lack of depth in regards to RPG aspects
Besides the music and some of the dialogue what was good about the game?
>>341367726
terrible characters.
>>341367941
no, the game itself is a glorified demo/proof of concept
>>341368191
A combat system being shallow doesn't mean it's bad. Just look at One Finger Death Punch.
>>341368164
>>341368334
Ok well it's bad and the shallowness contributes to that
>>341368191
>skill based combat system
>minimalist art style
>RPG aspects actually allow role playing and player impact on the game
I mean, it's objectively better than LISA in all of those respects, and a majority of JRPGs as well.
>>341367447
Name a better 10 dollar game
(note: not battleborn)
>>341368808
My pre-owned copy of Tony Hawks Underground on xbox
>>341368808
LISA
>>341367447
Not a lot. The game is great. The ending with Asriel felt forced, though.
>>341368734
He didn't say the art was bad because it was minimalist, he said it was bad because it was contradictory, which I agree with.
The style of the overworld felt really schizophrenic. Snowdin and the Core were high detail, but a lot of places were bare and fragmented in a way that doesn't mesh well at all.
>>341368974
Seconded
>>341368974
http://www.metacritic.com/game/pc/lisa
I don't think so anon.
>>341367726
Ok
>Hard mode
>>341368734
There's literally no defending the RPG aspects
Pokémon where you can only use pikachu would have had more depth
>>341369325
I don't get your post
care to explain?
>>341367941
Game itself is pretty ass honestly. People like it for the characters, furry, and sjw shit.
>>341369547
Undertale is a 92.
Lisa is a 78.
Do you get it now?
>>341369745
so you take that website as a fact?
kill yourself
>>341369745
Undertale would be much lower rated if you discount the reviews by bandwagon shills
>>341367447
>never ever hard mode
>too short
>genocide could have been better
yea yea, "but genocide isn't supposed to be fun"
Fuck your cuck excuse, only 2 real bosses is just dumb
>>341370570
>"but genocide isn't supposed to be fun"
Fucking this
Screw me for wanting to have fun when I play videogames right?
>>341369862
>>341369882
>its the rest of the world who is wrong, not me!!
lol
>>341371115
Yes that sounds about right
You realise what site we are on?
>>341371115
you should have your own opinion instead of linking some website who is known to have a million sold reviews
I don't know why I'm replying to this fucking bait
kill me
>>341370570
This. Fuck you Toby Fox. Finish your damn game.
>>341371296
Why would I respond with an opinion when I could just respond with the cold hard fact that more people enjoyed Undertale than Lisa?
>>341371829
>Dung eaters eat dung
Who knew!
>>341367447
the fanbase hyping it up to be more than it actually is a big issue but it's mostly the fault of the creator himself
he's a lazy fuck. promised hard mode, robot dating, hundreds of phone call interactions and probably more but instead decided to throw it all out the window because he got burnt out.
anyone passionate about their creation would see the potential undertale has to be something big but instead of using all that money to hire a small team to do the hard work for him he's just going to sit on his ass and let the popularity the game has gathered completely die and when everyone's moved on to the new indieshit he'll likely put something new out way past when people cared
>>341371829
have you played both of them?
I did and I love them.
we all know how the tumblr fanbase is and they fucked up undertale.
also
>why would I respond with an opinion
you're cancer incarnate
>>341367447
I think Flowey is very underused despite being an extremely important character. Does he appear at all between the ruins and the castle?
Seems like he would've been more effective as a recurring shoulder devil, trying to demoralize you at every major plot point. This would allow his backstory to be learned bit by bit rather than one long infodump at the end. The deconstruction would be easier to swallow. It might even be tolerable to bring up additional points, like the fact that no matter how you look at it you're only doing a pacifist run because you expect some kind of reward or secret in the end.
It's not because I particularly enjoy seeing him, it's just weak writing to set up a villain and then do absolutely nothing with him for 80% of the plot straight.
Same deal with Chara. You might not even know he exists until the final cutscene, but apparently he's been manipulating you the whole time, for reasons you'll never know? Can a twist be more forced?
>>341372187
>My taste is better than everyone else's!
Suit yourself.
Have not played it yet but from what I have gathered the community is pure cancer and the massive amount of threads on /v/ nearly got the entire game pushed to /vg/.
Thankfully its a single player game and none of that will matter when I get around to playing it.
>>341372357
yes I played lisa and I enjoyed it
I also enjoyed undertale
if you want my opinion so bad here it is: i think undertale is better than lisa (shocker)
The question still stands: please name a better 10 dollar game (battleborn need not apply)
>>341367447
The game didn't use it's reset gimmick for anything aside from a few plot points near the end.
It's still good though.
>>341368974
Shots fired
>>341367447
tumblr game made for tumblr crowd
>>341368808
Ikaruga
>>341372515
>Thankfully its a single player game and none of that will matter when I get around to playing it.
This is what's going to be prevalent. Undertale is going to age really well, especially as it's forgotten by sperglords on /v/. Maybe in like 3 years you'll be able to have a civil discussion on it.
>>341367546
This
It was a simple great game that was ruined by its fans
>>341372374
A lot of the criticism of undertale comes from the fact that people don't get what it's trying to say at times which is really weird to me.
A lot of people think that the game is presenting a morality choice by allowing you to kill monsters but really the only morality choice the game focuses on is the lengths you'll go to "100%" a game.
Similarly,
>You might not even know he exists until the final cutscene, but apparently he's been manipulating you the whole time, for reasons you'll never know? Can a twist be more forced?
Chara is just a personification of finding fun in killing things. The story builds her up in certain places before revealing her (not in the final cutscene).
>>341373020
I can agree with this
>>341373118
>single player games ruined by fanbases
lol okay
>>341368191
>Poor contradicting art style
The artstyle and level of detail varied shockingly.
I liked the combat despite the fact it wasn't much.
A few of the jokes made me cringe, particularly the memes early on, but most were fun.
I liked all of the characters, even the annoying ones were written well.
But it's best point was the music. The music was FANTASTIC.
8/10 - Fanbases ruin everything.
It's not that good of a game in all honesty. The characters are all kind of shallow because they can all be summed up as being one note. The battle system is kind of fun I guess but I'd rather play a regular shmup. Also, your character moves at a fucking snail's pase which is a really scummy move by the developer to artificially lengthen the game, along with walls of unfunny dialogue p, of course. I hate this game, hate the developer, and hate the fans.
>>341373606
fanbase =/= playerbase
the people that shit up a sever can be different to the people who shit up forums
>>341372374
>Flowey
Actually, he's present throughout the game. He's following you.
There's many points in the game, usually after an event or bossfight, where if you backtrack to the entrance of the zone you'll see him for a split second before he pops underground.
Hell, it happens in the area you meet Sans actually right outside the door after the meeting. And if you return to that area, one of the tree branches you passed is broken (though that might've been sans instead of flowey)
>Chara
That one's more meta. It comes from reading the descriptions closely.
The biggest part of it is the mirrors in Home and New Home.
>Mirror at the start of the game says "It's you."
>Mirror at the end if pacifist/neutral says "Despite everything, it's still you."
>Mirror at the end of genocide says "It's me, *Chara*" (or whatever name you gave Chara).
Also, throughout Genocide Chara starts to chime in differently with red text and shit like that.
It's all about the little details he put in that you have to actively look for.
>>341367447
The game feels like the dev made it up as he went along. It plays more like a mod or a romhack than an actual, fully-thought out game.
There's also no real sense of consequence, despite what the advertising says. The game pretty much railroads you onto the "good ending" path, and you have to go out of your way to be an asshole.
The only reason it's popular is because it's easy.
>>341373935
Hi. I'm Pixel. I created this game called Cave Story and then proceeded to ruin all my artistic credibility by porting it to everything and charging money, even though they all ruined the original vision of the game and sucked major ass. I also have never made a game since, or want to. Im the best guys!
>>341367447
i thought it was pretty fun i guess
>>341367447
>>341367447
>>341367447
>>341367447
Very little. The game is solidly constructed.
>>341373983
>people who shit up forums
I guess you think Overwatch is the worst game of all time, then.
Panders to the fag crowd
>>341373352
>A lot of the criticism of undertale comes from the fact that people don't get what it's trying to say at times which is really weird to me.
Fuck you.
It's not the viewers job to GET IT. If the people playing it don't GET IT, then you failed as an author.
Shove your blame shifting garbage up your ass.
>>341373935
You realize that image is 100% exaggeration and you have an irrational hatred for something that not only can't hurt you, but only exists to entertain you, but instead you've just invented some kind of perspective that makes a video game seem antagonistic towards you.
TLDR, stop being a faggot
>>341368425
>This is a self-insert
>For a male
>>341367447
>overwatch took over
I-Its not fair tumblr bros..
>>341375113
This is the laziest thing I've ever heard. Of course it's partly your job to understand something. Otherwise how would you ever learn anything you fucking fag lord?
>>341368974
LISA is infinitely better than Undertale but Undertale is simply a fun game, fun enough to play right before you are about to asleep as it takes no effort
>>341368425
there is a story about this, it's about a greek named Narcissus
>>341368191
It's a turn based bullet hell with emphasis on replaying it. You have points about focus on story above gameplay though.
>>341375113
>which is really weird to me
The reason it's really weird to me is because you have to be retarded to not GET IT
If you don't GET IT I can safely assume that you're autistic, or quite slow.
>>341375370
>This is the laziest thing I've ever heard. Of course it's partly your job to understand something.
How?
How is it MY JOB to understand YOUR WORK.
How is it MY JOB to understand the shit YOUR SELLING.
>>341369745
Lisa has a very basic rpg system with perma death, it isn't something new so they ranked it lower.
It also pissed tumblr off so of course normies are going to rank it down.
Let me describe a game:
This is an indie game whose story and setting revolve around a subterranean complex. So much so that the game's very title is a reference to it. The story focuses around a race of anthropomorphic creatures that are forced underground by the humans after losing in a war. Angered by their brutal loss, they are hostile towards the few humans that come down into their domain.
The art, music, and general style is all done in tribute to the "retro" game era. The main draw of the game is the ability to get a variety of endings. The boss of the most secret ending, which is also the hardest to get, is a short, kind of fat, skeletal man with a wide, creepy smile and erratically blinking eye. He is the brother of a friendly character you meet earlier in the game. Everything about the player character is largely ambiguous. This includes their name, which is only revealed at the end of the game.
I could go on, but I think you should know what game I'm describing by now:Cave Story.
Undertale's problem is plagiarism. Not only does it steal from one of the most famous and influential indie games of all time, but it also uses sounds from retro games like Chrono Trigger, Mega Man X, Mario Paint, and others without giving proper credit.
>>341375690
The flaw with this is that essentially what you're saying is one play through isn't fully playing the game and you have to play through it 2, or 3 times to actually complete the game. Basically what that means is then that you're having to repeat parts of the game just to complete which is something that would rightly be criticised as part of any other game
>>341375109
Whoever drew that did it pretty quickly.
>>341376083
You're acting like Undertale is hard or complex to understand.
My 8 year old inbred niece could understand the message of the game. My theory is that the people misinterpreting it actually haven't played it.
>>341376189
It works for shorter games with differences that can occur based on your choices made.
It isn't perfect, as there could have been more aspects of the game that changed as you made different choices, but it's short enough that it doesn't really matter.
>>341375109
Why is Chara there she would fucking kill them all 10 more times for good measure
>>341376083
Because a theme or concept isn't a hot dog. Everyone's got a tongue and everyone knows what a hot dog is supposed to taste like.
If a piece of art / fiction / whatever you want to call is trying to convey some kind of theme or message, they may be doing it from a different perspective, so sometimes you have to work just a little to grasp it. If you dont want to do that, that's fine, just don't criticize a game because you didn't want to put in a little effort.
>>341367447
Forced morality and Annoying Fanbase.
>>341368808
Jet Set Radio is 5 dollars on steam and it's better
>>341376782
>It's so le deep there is le spooky skeleton who likes spaghetti !!
>>341376160
>Undertale's problem is plagiarism. Not only does it steal from one of the most famous and influential indie games of all time, but it also uses sounds from retro games like Chrono Trigger, Mega Man X, Mario Paint, and others without giving proper credit.
Same could be said about Freedom Planet, and it was originally a Sonic Fangame with Sonic Fan-characters.
>>341377180
>no response just shitposting
lol
Glad we could agree that Undertale was good friend.
>>341377180
Actually I never said it was deep, you just said you didn't get it. That makes you the retarded one.
>>341377235
I'm not sure if you're agreeing with me and saying Freedom Planet is a similar case, or you disagree and are using Freedom Planet to invalidate my claim. I've never played that game, so I can't really weigh in on the topic either way.
>>341375109
He knows how to draw, Ill give him that.ib4 pronouns
>>341376782
lol What music is plagiarized?
>inb4 he posts THAT video
>>341377541
>>341377569
Sup reddit
>>341369882
You think Lisa doesn't have bandwagon shills? How the fuck does anyone call Undertale bad and say that Lisa is a great game in the same sentence? "Undertales combat is shallow! Lisa has great gameplay!" You do not have any idea how ridiculous those two statements look together. Don't even get started on the stories.
>>341377651
It's a mix of Genesis games, such as Sonic, Ristar, and Sparkster's Rocket Knights Adventures.
>>341378105
Hi 9gag
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