I feel that Mei's icicle shot should be changed so that it has no damage falloff, which would make her a viable sniper. As it is she's a little on the weak side right now and could really use this buff. What do you guys think?
Lets just buff Mcree while we're at it.
>>340998312
>buff the most broken hero.
Nah
Get fucked.
The only ones that need a buff are d.va and zenyatta.
>>340997819
Agree. Also give Widowmaker stronger shots, I can't one hit kill every enemy like in COD!!
>>340998653
You're right, that post could not possibly have been sarcastic.
Honestly, all Mei really needs is a health nerf and i feel like she'd disappear from most games. If not that, either increase how long it takes to freeze someone or reduce the range of it. Mei's at an iffy spot to me.
>freeze a person
>shoot an icicle in their head
jesus fucking christ
>>340998653
Symmetra needs a buff too, so that you aren't punished for using your ult well. I think she should be able to charge it while the teleporter is up, like D.Va.
>>340997819
>yandere mei freezing you so you can't ever leave her
I...I don't usually go for yandere but that sounds kind of hot.
>>340998819
While we are at it, lets give junkrat twice as many grenades per magazine
>>340999137
His tire needs more health and they should get rid of the warning.
>>340999093
Really she just needs to be able to break down her teleporter for a refund based on how many charges it had left. She has to be near it though so she can't break it down as soon as someone attacks it.
That way she can change its position every once in a while to adjust for lost ground or push her teammates up.
>>340998312
McCree is the shitter stomper. He stomps around like a dipshit and you can hear him coming a mile away.
>>340999137
I think you mean clip
>>340999243
Not enough. His tire should just instantly teleport next to the enemy team and explode immediately.
You wanna know who really overs my watches? fucking junkrat. That piece of shit does TOO much damage and has TOO many little gimmicks and bullshit going for him.
And did he really need to drop mines on death??? was that really fucking necessary? Meanwhile characters like 76 and zenyatta get no free bullshit perks and have to play on point if they wanna be useful.
Mei and McCree can be outranged
Widowmaker can shred you even at close range, and shot you as you hop at her in mid air as Winston
>>340998653
Since you clearly are autistic I will explain his post for you
He is suggesting that buffing mcree would be equivalent to your post. Buffing mcree is obviously ridiculous because he is so strong and thus the buff is unneccessary and he is suggesting the same thing about your buff for Mei, who he is implying is also strong
>>340999589
>your
Are you retarded?
>>340999506
76 has reliable mid to long range damage, above average mobility, high damage RMB, and healing capabilities. He's fine.
However I agree on Zenyatta, dude's worthless as is.
>>340999134
this is the scene every time I freeze some one
>>340999506
He is a properly retarded character. As you say he has too much stupid shit that can get him lucky kills he didn't earn, and a character like him has no business being in a game with infinite ammo. It is utterly ridiculous he can blindly fire over a wall completely denying an area that he has absolutely no knowledge of for absolutely zero risk because he doesn't actually have to be there to do it, and he can do it forever because his ammo will not run out.
>>340999678
It's a minor error, calm down, your post was still retarded
>>340997819
Here's to (you)
Nicola and Bart
>>340999243
I think the tire is too loud at the moment it should be silent
>>340999694
He means that to play 76 you have to actually play the game and earn your kills, you won't get 'lucky' kills you didn't actually intend or deserve like Junkrat does constantly
>All these people responding as if Mei is OP
Mei is strong in a vacuum but her main problem is that she is incredibly niche. She has a lot of trouble fitting into a proper comp as it stands. Because of this she has an almost non-existent pickrate in competitive games. I've been saying to my friends I think the best thing they can do for Mei at this point is just have her freeze through Reinshield. Perhaps at a much slower rate but it would at least give her something of a role. As it stands now she's something of a situational pick on Hanamura A defense.I can't wait for everyone to ignore any points in this post with ">competative overwatch"Yes it's stupid that it's a thing but it's a thing
>>340999842
That comic is inaccurate. In-game Mei's usually dopey face changes to an evil smirk as she charges up her shot. Let me see if I can find an example.
>>341000105
>kills you don't deserve
>Reduce enemy's HP to zero
>YUO DDINT DESERVE IT YUOU'RE ARE ACKSHUALLY A BAD
>>340998653
Do you really think Symmetra doesn't need a buff? Are you insane?
>>341000105
I constantly die as junkrat if I don't observe my surroundings. Just because he's not some twitch-hero doesn't mean he doesn't take skill. With his one mobility option also being one of his primary close to mid range attack options, area control becomes a very important factor
>>341000276
What a stupid thing to say, you know exactly what was meant, stop trying to pretend otherwise.
>>340998942
Well she undeniably gets kills, but the nature of her slow movement and kill process makes her a limited asset to team participation.
If everyone just focuses fire on her whenever she waddles into combat she should only be able to take out a single hero at most.
Then she spends 3 minutes waddling back from the respawn, wasting more time trying to flank people and get up close.
She's a bit like roadhog in that way. Kills 1 on 1 up close- but struggles to stay in the action.
>>341000150
Games that balance for their "comp scene" are almost always garbage. They breed and actively encourage the worst fanbases, citing metas and builds that ruin any chance of fun. People will get pissed that you're not playing according to their style, people will get pissed you didn't fill the role they chose to ignore, people will get pissed you are not top 5 in the world, etc.
Fuck comp scenes, this game is NOT balanced and new blizz will never be able to balance it.
>>341000540
Yes, but this is going into actual teamwork which pubs lack. It's easy to have everyone focus one person if you're playing with cooperative people.
Remove the slowdown on her freeze. Let that bitch run a bit to get her kills.
Asking Mei out on a date, and watching her blush and stutter before gaining composure and saying "YES!" Walking around town with Mei, and then taking her out to dinner! Watching Mei eat cute food! Holding her hand and then cuddling with Mei! Stroking her softly and talking to her in a way that makes her heart go pitter-pat!
I love Mei!
>>340998653
Zenyatta buff
>Zenyatta now has 1 more shield hp
There, he is viable now, as it will take 2 shots from a widow to kill him.
>>341000331
Symmetra can melt tanks if she gets the jump on them.
And her charge shot is perfect for popping Turrets and Bastions. As well as area denial.
Her only weakness is that she's squishy and not highly mobile. But that's a fair price for such high utility.
Portals win games. Sentries buy you invaluable time.
>>340999506
The mines on death is fucking bullshit. It completely ruins the flow of a fight.
>>341000505
Yeah alright, I was just being fuckign retarded
>>340999345
Even being able to use ult to add charges for a team doing well would be fine by me.
>>340999842
>hear mei's ult
>junkrat doesn't immediately bounce out
>lucio doesn't shift e his way out
>roadhog doesn't hook mei and one shot her in the three seconds before he freezes
I hate comic artists.
>>341000643
this
>>341000150
I'll respond to you anon :^)
I completely agree. mei is only really strong in very particular and CLOSE range situations. When the game first came out I saw alot of people whining about how usful her and perhaps even op her abilities were. but the longer the game went on, the less I saw of her and the less I saw that opinion.
As it stands, I think she could afford to get some kind of minor buff to boost her just enough to competitive, more useful statues.
>>341000643
It is a point of fact that Blizzard is /attempting/ to cater to these players, however. Whether or not you believe it should be done is another story.
Mei's current biggest problem is that shes hard countered by the most prevalent heros at high level.
Mccreed annihilates her.
Tracer soft counters her.
Widowmader blows her the fuck up.
Nerf the cowboy and she becomes more viable.
>>341001056
The others really shouldn't have needed to do shit. Any Lucio should have instantly boosted speed or switched to it for the team to get out. I've never had to force my team to stay in that shit.
>>341000540
Enough of this dumb meme, every character has the same walk speed except for Tracer, Genji and Lucio.
>>340999506
Yeah, I gotta agree with this one.
Area denial alone is a huge thing, especially in a game where you capture zones. He can do it relatively safely too, since he can ricochet shit all over.
What really pisses me off though is his extra shit. The bear trap makes flanking a pain in the ass, his pancake grenade is such an easy get-out-of-jail free card for him, forcing zoning and free 80 damage, and to top it all off his Ult is retarded, I dont understand why that thing has such a god damned huge explosion radius. The play of the game is almost always that bastard.
>Inb4 but you can totally shoot it down!
Sure if its a shit junkrat player, but a good ones not gonna waltz right through the main enemy push, they'll take smart routes evade.
And. AND. To top it all off, the nigga has calla dooty ass martyrdom.
>>340998942
the range is fine, it's comparable to melee range
the freeze time is the real problem, as well as her needlessly high health pool
>>341001385
She's still a close range character with no mobility options.
Other slow characters benefit from not needing to get up close.
>>341000000
>>341000643
This
>>341001247
My D.Va can handle her pretty well. I just spray and fly away.
If she freezes herself I just space myself appropriately and spray her more bullets
>>340998942
she's already garbage tier and you want to nerf her health? Fuck off
>>341000643
Balancing for comp just means balancing around a character that is played at its highest potential. It means not nerfing to satisfy knee-jerk reactions from scrubs who are too lazy to find a counter-play.
>>340999093
It would have 100% up time. Her ult charges fastest in game unless you hide in a room with turrets hoping for someone to come in.
>>341002117
But the problem is the amount of skill required to play bastion at its highest level is different from genji. Even if everyones potential is equal there will be imbalance in lower levels
>>341002072
Not my fault your waifu is shit.
>>341000169
I got you f.a.m
>>340998942
Mei seems like a pretty polarizing character, some think shes shit tier, others think she's broken.
It seems to me that its more of a case of her either shitting on certain characters hardcore or getting shit on hardcore. Her matchups are really polarizing. She's probably the only character that, as a Genji, I have to pretty much ignore or only annoy at a distance, there's really not much I can do up close. Junkrat, McCree and Hanzo take a hot steaming dump all over her, though, she's easy bait for me when playing as them.
>>340997819
Torbjorn is the only character that gives me any trouble- primarily teams with multiple Torbjorns.
Their molten core shit just seems to force a stall in many cases. I viciously pursue Torbjorns now and try to kill them top priority (after Mercy and Zenyatta, of course)
If you just attack the turret it can always be healed, replaced, or MOLTEN COOORED. That's why it's best to just murk the Bjorn, and handle the turret after.
pssshhhh, nuthin personal, kid.
My friends always cry about her but I never have a problem guess I'm just not retarded
>>341002661
Console fag detected
>>341002661
What is a sniper
>>341001019
You're only allowed to do those things to Mei if you are a girl.
>>340999134
>you will never be frozen and raped by mei as she thaws your dick out with her mouth and steaming hot pussy
WHAT IS EVEN THE FUCKING POINT OF LIVING FUCK
>>341002973
Not him, but snipers aren't really the best solution. They work in some cases, but when turrets are covering turrets in an intelligent manner, they cover enough radius and take enough cover to force characters to be in their radius. Best you can do is pop in and out of cover, but then attention is immediately drawn to you by multiple sources.
>>341002973
Come on man a good torb will use his turret to draw fire and flush out snipers. Even if they get his turret weak or kill it he can rebuild and upgrade it in about 6-7 seconds or molten core before its even destroyed.
>>341001019
What is cute food?
>>341003264
It's when you eat a cute girl. Basically, cannibalism.
>>341002661
Best solution to a six man torb cheese is going six reinhardts and just rocketing on to the objective and ignoring them. If they come to the objective they die. If they don't they lose. Easy peasy.
>tfw /v/ is so bad at overwatch that they think mei deserves a nerf
>they're probably the same retards who walk forward at bastions on reaper and then whine at their team to kill him
>>341002973
>>341003125
Hell, just use Pharah. Pharah is the best hero in the game and nobody seems to realize it.
>>341002821
>Glasses frame disappears near the eye
This triggers me every single Goddamn time.
Mei isn't OP, she's just utterly unfun to both play against and with. I can't even count the number of times some faggot Mei has thrown an ice wall in front of me and blocked a shot I wanted or even worse an ult.
>>341003652
(and of course I mean a Mei on my team about the latter part)
>>341003552
Yeah, I think Pharah's a better solution to turrets. Her pulse bomb forces that little dicksnot away from healing, and she can pop those things quickly.
Junkrat too, he can just lob his bullsht and kill the torb+turret.
D.Va can nuke the shit out of it reliably, but the problem with that is youre using a slow charging Ult to take on the Torbs normals.
>>340999783
Jesus lmao
>>341003264
>>341003589
Magnets.
(or her glasses where fused to her face and the sides of her head during her unfreezing process)
I fucking hate fighting Mei.I'd probably love playing as her but I don't think I can ever muster the faggotry to do so.
Same with McQueef. And maybe Hanzo and Widowmaker.
>>341003652
This, desu. Any character based around CC and/or slowing will be plain unfun to fight against. Unless you have an escape her Ult seems to be a guaranteed catch.
>>341001019
That's some gay shut nigga, say that to some choice 3D and you'll be laughed into Saturn's orbit.
>>341001480
>blaming Junkrat for being good at stopping flanks
That's literally his main job, to counter tracers amd genjis.
>>341002661
>playing on the jap castle map, hanamura on defense
>pick toblerone
>"good pick anon, place your turret in "obvious fucking spot"
>" no, im placing it in this small, tight corner in the castle/objective area"
>"thats fucking dumb, ur nhat helin da teeeem"
>He doesn't understand or appreciate my state farm insurance turret strategy
>a while passes, turret gets little action
> I die, spawn and suddenly see my turret taking damage
>MOLTEN CORE
>XxDiggerNick9000xX eliminated
>420nochoke eliminated
>shadowreaper18 eliminated
>....
>that shitty genji player eliminated
>mfw
>>341000169
I got it.
>>341004021
>hear gibberish chinese
>oh no, NO NO NOOO
>near the edge of the circle
>praying for dear god I can make it that extra inch to get out
>lol no fuck you, entire team frozen
You should be able to shoot that stupid fucking thing down.
>>341004195
i thought the second one was genji's desu, needs color
>>340998942
Popsicle needs to put the wall on cool down or give the popsicle a HP so we can drag her out of it and rape her.
>>341004279
She really is a sociopath, jesus.
>>341004196
Objective A or B?
I honestly can't think of a good way to fix Mei so that she can't wipe out the entire cast if she meets them while in recharge. I can only think to drop the damage of her icicle to 50 because she can easily do 250-350 if she sees you.
>>341004295
Old pasta, new fat image
Thanks for posting it, saved!
>>341004136
Being good at stopping flanks isn't the issue necessarily, I get it, we need characters to stop that. If that was it alone, that'd be fine, but its not like he's not good at a ton of other shit either.
He stops flanks, busts defenses, lays good area denial, has a panic button, and does it all from safety. And to top that off, the nigga has a martyrdom.
Like, a martyrdom isn't even that great at higher levels of play, but for fucks sake is it not the most annoying way to get killed.
>>341004279
It just looks like she's squinting to get a better shot since it's her range attack. Ironic considering its use 80% in close range
>>341004427
A. Which is why I'm shocked at how effective my strategy was since I've seen tons of people do it.
Still worked like a charm.
Mei is annoying because of how long it takes to kill her.
Men's health gets low? Ice block and get health back. Ice block gone?throw up wall. It's also pretty bullshit that she can can contest a point while frozen. Same goes for reaper who can also pick up health packs.
>>341004321
Yeah, I would color it and properly line it, but I feel like I have to decide if all of that would be worth it first, lol
Think it would look like d.va's with the color?
>>340999506
I see these fuckers sitting in sniper posts launching grenades into objectives the ENTIRE FUCKING GAME.
I character switch into Reaper solely to deal with them, so fucking annoying.
>>341000150
It might be too late to get a reply on this but as someone who doesn't really get into "competitive" gaming (assuming you're referring to tournaments and such) why is Overwatch ill-suited to it? Just curious as I've heard this sentiment echoed pretty frequently.
>>341000540
>Waddle into combat
The real problem with her is when she's on defense or contesting a point. Her kit is able to maintain a point for an incredibly long amount of time, enough for her team to respawn and regroup. My problem isn't her damage, but her staying power
>>341004279
It looks less scary as just a picture. I think it's her face changing to that smirk that makes her look like a sociopath.
>>341004679
yeah, maybe tone down the puffy vulva sticking out so much because it kinda looks like a bulge
>>341001247
You forgot Zarya and her anti-freeze shield. One for you, one for a friend.
>>341004780
For the same reason Kickball is not a competitive support. Its simple and fun to play game, But it its just a simplified version of more complex and appealing games.
>>341004780
Multitude of reasons. Tickrate is solved through the high bandwidth option. But at the game's core it's pretty casualized. The hitboxes are huge and characters have hard counters.
Competitive games are either picking the strongest characters or revolving door picking characters that counter others.
>>341003552
The problem with Pharah is that Widowmaker exists.
McCree too to a lesser extent.
>>341001030
Then they just need to nerf Widow so that the second shot isn't instant
>>341004801
Yeah, I agree. She's hard to kill mainly because of that ice block bullshit. She whips that thing out and not only does it heal her to full, but it stalls. That stall is an extremely powerful, under-utilized tool, that shit lets people regroup, lets team mates save her ass.
https://youtu.be/0-7m5xcruPI
>>341004780
Maps. Right now only Payload is viable and even then there's a rule to stop the match if the attacking team reaches the second to checkpoint because the spawn is way too close to the objective. Also certain teams are just better than any other comp because the characters are too good in any situation
>>340997819
>tfw realizing you can dash backwards as tracer and braindead mei players keep charging at me as i gun them down
>>341004195
P good anon
>>341005048
>characters have hard counters.
This here is the biggest issue I have with the game.
I like the idea that the game sort of borrows from fighting games in have counter picks, but the matchups on some characters are so unrealistically tilted that it's better to just switch.
I'd love the game so much more if matchups weren't so skewed.
>>341005062
Or her 100% charge shot uses the entire clip.
>>341004397
You think she had come out of her cryostasis with no neurological damage, anon?
>>341005272
main fag detected
Widowmaker needs to have the time on her hookshot reduced.
So fucking annoying when I can't get away from no-skill shitters playing Winston.
>>341005392
It's already 12 fucking seconds.
>>340999506
>playing brawl
>enemy has 4 junkrats
>in fucking Hanamura
go through the tiny hole in the top, you get your ass trapped and then nuked
the main gate is a constant game of "the floor is lava"
god fucking damn it
>>341005392
>bodyshotting widowmakers complaining about hard counter
get fucked retard
>>341005384
Is it wrong to have characters you prefer playing? If we need an attack character, you can bet your ass I'm going to pick Pharah if I can.
Is it "Justice rains from above" or "Justice reigns from above?"
>>341005384
Nigga, shut your mouth. Switching characters isn't exactly an option mid-skirmish, only after you die or if you decide to haul your ass back to spawn.
Alsothere's nothing wrong with wanting a main
>>341004279
Always melee after icicle.
>>341005392
It would make her more fun if it had 2 charges so you could spider man, but you would have to nerf her in other ways. Slower rate of fire would be my number one complaint. It rewards in-accuracy.
>>341005304
That's probably the only way to change the dps aspect and keep it fair but casuals would rage.
>>341005635
Considering she rains missiles on the enemy while saying it, I'll say the former.
>>341005635
Subtitles say reigns
>>341005530
yes it is, you should have a variety to assist your team comp where it is weakest. It's a team game.
>>341004320
really? I don't know that lol
>>341004027
>say that to some choice 3D
???
why would I be talking to any human beings
>>341002072
This. I don't ever see Meis anymore because my MMR is too high. She needs a buff if anything.
>>341005635
It's meant to be wordplay, but the correct spelling is "rains" because it is literally a rain of missiles.
Do you ever feel like Mei players are fucking with their own teams on purpose? I swear I've had a few Ice Wall my ult or block my Reinhardt charge.
>>340997819
Yeah. Lets make her a viable option for both short and long range combat! That way no one would be able to counter her! What fun!
>>341006227
Indeed. I haven't even seen a Mei that hasn't switched off after we lost the first point in ~10 hours and I haven't died to a Mei since I had under 150 games played.
yuri a shit
>>341006262
I'll answer you as a Mei player: Yes, we are. Also, I'm quite fond of Reddit and go there daily.
>>340999506
>>341001034
>>341001480
>whining about martydom
Is this you guys? git gud
>>341006452
HAHAHA
THA
>>341006452
I'm fine with martyrdom, I just hate when the game teleports me back onto it when I've already walked out of them on my screen and kills me.
I've played this game for 30 hours now
I never felt like any of the characters were OP and felt like zen needs a small buff to health and debuff to dmg to even it out , a small dmg aoe boost for pharah because she is useless in anything that isn't a team fight
Outside of that the game seems pretty balanced and is never giving me headaches because of a character or two
I always lose a game because we/I get outplayed or my team is shit
Typically the latter but still
>>341006262
all the time
>>341006452
A FUCKING LEAF
>>341005392
Winston is your hard counter you stupid fuck.
He will give you the money dick and you will take it.
>>341006589
>a small dmg aoe boost for pharah because she is useless in anything that isn't a team fight
Oh, you mean the only thing that ever happens in this game?
>>341004195
Post your art anywhere?
>>341006658
>French takes the monkey dick
It's just a coincidence!
>>341006136
This is the only game I've seen people say "hurr u have no main" as if that's somehow a good thing, and the dev's are totally 100% in the right.
Having a main is only bad if you choose to only play that character and no one else ever. Like, yeah no shit I'm not gonna choose my offense hero if my retarded team already has 4 offense heroes chosen, but you should be able to be allowed to specialize to a degree and get specifically good at certain roles without needing to switch because of muh matchups.
The team composition factor doesnt even really have any relevance to that, no matter what character you pick in any circumstance, you have the chance of running into that characters counter, and since anyone can switch at any time, it creates that aforementioned revolving door.
Youre never going to have each situation 100% covered due to team composition, so youre going to have to inevitably worry about those matchups.
Like I said, I wouldnt mind matchups having favor, but some of them are just so harsh. There's so many situations where I've outright shit on a player with better accuracy than me, simply because I just so happened to find myself in a situation where I was that persons counter.
How well does this game run on a toaster?
What does it look like on lowest settings?
>>341006736
Have you played the game?
Nobody plays this like it should be until the final minute of payload or cap limit
I played to have fun the first few days but now I play to win and most of the community is stuck in the TDM phase
>>341006143
It looks like a handjob pov
>>341006908
You're asking how it runs on toaster settings so don't bother in asking about looks on toaster setting
It runs fine on all sides
You need a serious piece of junk to have trouble running this
>>341006741
sunbeam-sketch on tumblr
That's a really nice picture of her, by the way.
>>341006908
Pic related plays it on high/medium settings and 75% render. I tried to put it at 100% but it would dip to 40 FPS too much so I just left it there.
>>341006568
Except you clearly fucking haven't
>>340998942
What'd I would do is remove the freezing aspect of her M1 and ramp up it's damage a bit. It's not so much she can 1v1 most stuff it's that you're basically stuck doing fuck all until she kills you. Same could be said of McCree and his flash grenade. Making it blind instead of stun would still make him dismantle people but at least you don't get the feeling of utter futility. Stuns are a shitty mechanic in almost every game.
More importantly I'd make her unable to contest a point while frozen and able to be knocked back while frozen too. She may be a defensive hero but she shouldn't be able to stall a push by 6 people solo. Nobody else can do that.
>>341006452
That was amazing
>>341007203
Yes I have, the server just tells me I haven't because "favor the shooter xdd."
>people who play symmetra
>>341007109
I have a feeling I am worse off.
By the way, where did the whole "76-Dad" thing come from?
>>341007203
What is 30 tickrate
>>341006917
I haven't had any trouble getting my team on the objective. What you need is a commanding personality.
>>341007379
From the mercy shipping
>>341007038
>all that yuri
Superb taste.
>>341007379
Who's 76 fucking if everyones his daughter?
Is this one of those "rural" arrangements I keep hearing about?
>>341007339
>bad people who complain about useful characters
>>341007608
Mercy's almost 40.
Any ability that completely prevents the player from acting should be taken out. This includes Mei's freeze and McSkill's flash bang. It does absolutely nothing in terms of anyone's enjoyment in encountering these characters, and only makes those classes way too easy to excel at. Abilities like Zarya's black hole or Junkrat's trap are fine because you can at least still shoot.
Who actually thought they were a good idea, or that people would enjoy it?
>>341007449
If I'm playing with a group we don't need someone reminding us what to do to stop a payload or cap
Random matchmaking here is just as bad as dota 2s
Commanding personality or not you can fix that and you'll most likely end up screaming back at them
I'm too chill to argue over possibly grown adults on playing a game but it does take the enjoyment out when you see retards going for quick ultimates for xp and at the last minute go to the objectives
Blizzard is slow as shit but they should add a TDM to seprate those cunts
>>341007765
Fuck off, you're worthless, not useful
>>341007583
You know it
I was very close to including a yuri snippet in that D. Va animation.
But even compared to animating D. Va's suit, getting her and Widowmaker to believably animate would be masochistic.
>>341008015
t. low mmr plebeian
>>341007947
Mccree's flashbang is a necessary evil because without it, decent Tracers and good Genjis (like 2% of them) will be overpowered as fuck.
>>341008015
Sure thing, shitter.
>>341007947
>OMFG STUNS ARE BROKEN
>>341008070
>>341008145
>losses out of the ass every time a symmetra is on my team
There is no excuse, she's half of a fucking hero and it shows. Fuck off you degenerate third-worlders
>>341007449
>get on the point
>stop playing heroes that are shit tier for offense and are hard countered by their team
>WOW DON'T TELL ME WHAT TO DO REPORTED AND MUTED
Every fucking time.
>>341008231
t. low mmr plebeian
>>341008109
Junkrat takes care of Tracers with the traps, and Zarya's particle beam cant be reflected by Genji. Winston is good too. It's completely unnecessary.
Imo they should just nerf her health, as well as reapers health
I don't get why reaper has so much hp, he has his fucking vladimir pool so he can escape anyways
>>341008231
Sure thing, shitter.
>>341008109
McCree's not even that good at countering Genji.
Genji can reflect low skilled McCree flashbangs, and higher skilled McCree's who are wiser and save them make a 50/50 situation where Genji has the upper hand by having a quick mobility move to flee the skirmish.
Winston's much better at dealing with Genji.
>>341008263
>>341008294
>losses out of the ass every time a symmetra is on my team
There is no excuse, she's half of a fucking hero and it shows. Fuck off you degenerate third-worlders
>>341008275
Because Reaper has to get in close and doesn't have a stun like McBalanced, which makes him laughably vulnerable to anyone who's paying attention?
>>341008275
>calling for nerfs of the bad version of mccree
you guys really need to git gud, holy shit
>>341008334
Sure thing, shitter.
>>340999506
THIS THIS THIS THIS THIS THIS THIS
GOD DAMN FUCK JUNKRAT SO MUCH
One direct grenade is all it takes to kill non tanks. ONE GRENADE.
>>341008236
Incidentally the heroes themselves constantly shout GET ON THE POINT, HELP ME MOVE THIS THING, etc. I don't see how the players don't understand.
>>341007339
>>341008015
>>341008231
>>341008334
kys.
>>341008174
They're not broken, they're just not fun. They add nothing to the game. At least read my post fully before getting triggered.
>>341007339
On some maps, she can be rather useful.
I was in a match in temple of anubis where our team had 2 symmetras, and we fucking won.
The enemy team couldn't get even the first control point, because our reinforcements kept pouring in faster than theirs, and there were beam cannons around every corner.
>>341008426
what is this supposed to prove
>>341008435
>They add nothing to the game
Except ways to disable threats to your team.
>>341008435
By your logic death should be removed from the game because it makes you unable to play for a few seconds. Also no walking, that wastes time. Let's only shoot guns at each other.
>People bitching about how you can just leave Mei's ult
>You begin to slow when it's placed, meaning you can't leave if you aren't on the outermost section of the AoE
>Mei doesn't even have to be present for the ult: she can throw it at a distance and run-and-hide around a corner
>Mei's distance on her spray is incredibly far, almost enough to touch a Roadhog from his hook distance
She's fucking busted. Give her 50 less HP OR a slightly shorter range on her spray and you're golden. She has plenty in her kit to help her escape if she gets too aggressive, so let bad players be punished by it worse without punishing good players. Her slow should also have only a half more second required to freeze someone with her spray.
>McCreed's fan the hammer needs a longer cooldown, prompting players to do the fan-roll-fan combo more instead of flagrantly spamming it and give it minor more spray or recoil
>Widow's rifle should do ever so slgihtly less damage and her minigun a slower fire rate but do boosted damage towards though afflicted by widow mine
>Buff Zenyatta and D.Va. They're good, but they need to be able to work with the team better. Give Zenyatta a LoS penalty up to 5 from 3 and possibly higher shield regen rate when alone
>>341002821
>D.va supposedly a pro player
>Engaging Terran so close with your Zealots and Colossus while there are SIEGE TANKS
>Not using her Voidray to go around and harass the Siege Tanks, using the opportunity to micro her units up the ramp
Holy shit, it's like this person doesn't actually play Starcraft.
>>341008512
Maybe that you are an idiot if you think that Symmetra is worthless?
That's a pretty fucking easy conclusion to make.
>>341008426
fat
>>341008617
It's a chart that has usage rate, it proves fucking nothing but people are shitters
Does Zarya have a counter?
I have 9 hours as her and I'm starting to think she doesn't.
>>341008661
Reaper is the only thing really, aside from another Zarya.
>>341008661
Just add 2s to her barrier's cd and she's much easier to deal with
>>341008661
You'd be surprised, but Winston. He's a big, easy target to hit, but with ability to be so mobile, he's great at harassing her. Symettra additionally, as her beam does more damage the longer it's hitting something.
>>341008565
The picture literally says it's a bad dream. That is the entire point.
>>341008661
Reaper's probably the best bet to that, or McCree. Zarya doesn't have a lot that's a full stop to her, but she also doesnt totally shit on anyone. I'd say she's a pretty well rounded, fair character.
>>341008813
Oh, well call me retarded then.
>>341006452
>>341008661
The counter is not shooting her when her barrier is up like a complete fucking idiot. Then you murder her at your leisure.
>>341007339
>pick symmetra on Dorado defense
>put turrets under bridge
>enemy team can't see them until they walk under it
>entire enemy team dies repeatedly
>repeat this 4-5 times until game times out
>get PoTG
>Enemy team immediately starts screaming that I'm a hacker and should kill myself
>None of them vote for me on the vote screen for 26 eliminations.
Everyone always underestimates the poo in loo
>>341008659
It's for "pro" play. Literally the complete opposite of shitters. Did you actually look at that chart and think, "hmm, Torb and Hanzo have almost 0 usage, yep this is def for quick play no doubt."
Are you fucking braindead? I don't understand how fucking hard it is to make conclusions on your own without someone holding your hand.
>>341008882
I considered it, but I actually find you kind of cute.
>>341007379
Is Soldier 76 a lolicon
>>341008928
>pro
so shitters
fuck off retard.
Pick rate is not equivalent to win rate.
>>341006452
That's why junkrat needs martyrdom.
>>341005057
We doing these now?
>>340997819
I play Mei and I agree. It does bullshit damage on any range. I can counter snipe Hanzos and Widowmakers. Also, while it is extremely fun stalling a capture in ice cube mode I think Mei shouldn't hold the point alone if she is frozen.
>>341002661
I think the biggest bullshit of Torb isn't his infinite range, insta locking, insta unkillable turret but his decent pistol. He can hold himself against most heroes without his turret in long and short range. Also why do his ult charge so fucking fast for no reason?
>Volskaya Industries - attack
>rush the first cap
>kill everyone for the first try
>no loss on our side
>after the cap rush to the second
>molen cored turrets crush our advance
>>341008874
>McCree
Not really. She's actually pretty effective against them. I love watching them squirm when they realize their flashbang didn't do anything and they can't hit a moving target. Then promptly melt their face.
>>341007947
>or Junkrat's trap are fine
If you get trapped by a Junkrat who isn't garbage he'll either kill you with shift or kill you in a few grenades if you're a tank.
Junkrat's shift (120) and trap (80) together alone are enough to kill most of the game's cast.
Your post is supposed to be against no-fun design but advocates current state Junkrat abilities.
>>341008916
>the Symmetra player being a shitter on long flat roads
wow who would have known
http://plays.tv/video/575cb1af9ed1d04550/when-mercy-is-real-bae
>>341009120
He's clearly a Junkrat player.
>>341009162
not really desu
you do have to hand it to blizzard for creating an even more annoying demoman, though
>>341008928
Adding on, it fucking SAYS "competitive" on the bottom of it in big bold letters, and in the top right it explains what the data is from. And yes its from a small pool, he's done multiple charts from different time frames but the problem is that they keep changing rulesets.
>>341009052
>pros are bad
>I'm the best
>I'm obviously right in everything and everyone who disagrees with me wrong, even when they post facts that the best players in the game play a hero I think is shit, that hero is still shit because I SAID SO
Kys you fucking mongoloid. You don't even read a fucking chart properly, you're so fucking braindead that you looked at the image, centered your eyes on Symmetra's portrait and then closed it immediately because IT'S OBVIOUSLY WRONG, AND I'M RIGHT!
>>341008426
I always find it funny how Luciofags stopped shitposting about his pickrate now that it's plummeted while still claiming Mercy sucks.
>>341008331
Stop saying this.
McCree doesn't have to directly hit with his flashbang to stun Genji, and Genji won't deflect it without being hit directly. Even if he DOES deflect it, McCree still has fan the hammer RNG to pull out if his stun was reflected, which would mean that they can't reflect his fan the hammer for sure.
McCree absolutely does shit on Genij, with his only chance being that he needs to have deflect, use it first before McCree flashbangs, directly move into the flashbang, and then not get hit with 3 out of 6 shots fired from fan.
If he doesn't deflect first? Stun and fan. If he does deflect it? Fan still outdamages Genji so it relies on McCree being bad. If McCree just rounds a corner and fans, he can do that shit too, you are 100% reliant on a telegraphed deflect that you don't always have to stand a decent chance against him.
Symmetra's teleporter shouldn't be her ult. It should be a normal skill
>cooldown doesn't start until it's destroyed.
>make cooldown a decent length so it isn't spammable
>make her ult something like overcharging her sentries.
>>341005057
Shit, now i need to re-watch pure pwnage again
thanks
>>341008331
You can splash a genji with the flashbang you scrub.
Same shit with pharah rockets vs genji.
Deflect will just make you unable to fight back during its duration vs good mccreeds.
>>341009148
Roadhog players and Mercy players. Oddly, both are the nicest people I've met in the game.
>>341008661
Mercy. She usually stays out of Zarya's range while buffing/healing Zarya's target.
>>341008331
>and higher skilled McCree's who are wiser and save them make a 50/50 situation
There is no 50/50 situation since you can throw it as Genji's feet.
A good McCree will never lose to a good Genji.
>>341004864
>>341004279
>>341004397
>>341006143
WOAH XD LOL SO SOCIAPATHIC XD LMAO SICK
you all sound 12, go play a real game dumb children.
>>341009135
>enemy team picks symmetra
>actually knows good turrent placements
>isn't smart enough to counterpick Winston
Basically every match 2bh fampai
>>340997819
I feel like it should take longer or shorter to freeze someone based on their health total. Reinhardt and Roadhog should take forever to freeze while someone like Tracer should maybe even freeze faster than currently. It would be a buff for faster characters that Mei is supposed to counter and a nerf against tanks and bruisers that Mei is supposed to have trouble with.
Or maybe I am completely wrong. Its late and I am watching the new Voltron so only half my brain is thinking atm.
>>341008661
She's pretty easy to deal with with 76, just don't shoot her shields and keep a reasonable distance.
I can't remember actually getting killed by a Zarya outside of her ult.
>>341009330
Mercy is picked the most simply because of how broken her ult is in the ways pros play (6 vs 6 teamfights - because they will easily win a 6 vs 4, etc)
>>341009427
>counterpick winston
>when symmetra's right click goes through your bubble, does 1/4th of your health, and outdamages you
baka desu, her turrets aren't worth counterpicking over
>>341009329
Literally fuck off retard
>>341007339
aka hero with highest winrate
>>341009401
This. Detonating a flashbang under his feet completely removes the counterplay potential of deflect.
Same thing with detonating over top Reinhardt's head.
>>341009528
>I'm right you're wrong! nanananaanan nobody else is right BUT ME! Pros suck! ME GOOD!
>>341009334
>McCree doesn't have to directly hit with his flashbang to stun Genji, and Genji won't deflect it without being hit directly.
Which is why I said bad McCree players. The one's who kneejerk flashbang around corners.
If youre fighting a good McCree it becomes a 50/50 because as a Genji, if you predict the flashbang, you can run forward and reflect, which will catch it.
McCree has the advantage in the duel, but it's not a reliable counter to Genji precisely because Genji has a way to stall the matchup and escape. Point being is, if youre looking for a way to reliably counter Genji, McCree's not the best pick for that situation.
>>341009427
>turrent
>>341009483
>A character is picked because of how strong/broken they are
Holy shit, what a revelation!
>>341009601
>turrent
>>341008343
>>341008362
Well it's literally the only hero I have problems to deal with and when I'm playing him myself the only thing that can stop me is a widowmaker
I can just take roadhog hook mccree and he is dead
I can pick mei and kill mccree
I can pick genji to kill mccree-too
But I can never kill a "good" reaper
I hook him, he fucking flies away to his team or heals himself and kills me
I freeze him, shoot him one or two times he flies away again
Even with mccree I can't kill him most of the time, while I can kill tanks with one combo
And I thought maybe I'm doing it wrong
So I played reaper for some hours
And its the same, mccree, mei, roadhog, nothing can stop me
"op" characters can't kill him but he is not too strong I see
I'm probably just doing it wrong sorry senpai
>watching Steel stream
>A supposed """""Competitive""""" overwatch player
>He's playing winston in a scrim
>Jumps toward enemy team
>Holds m1
>Does this for 4 minutes
Checkers is more competitive than this
>>341009592
Oh, that's where you misunderstood
no no, I wasn't saying that I was good. I was saying that Overwatch is a fucking joke game where even shitters can be considered pros.
>>341001019
Autism
