It hasn't gotten better than this and you fucking know it
3
>>340872627
you mean its all shit?
>>340872627
1=2>3>>V>>>>4
Everyone knows that. And MGS4 is the ending.
Big Boss games arent even MGS so who cares about those
>>340872863
>muh menu driven saturday morning cartoon
Worthless post
>>340872627
2 was the rock bottom of the original MGS trilogy, and you know it.
>>340872948
fuckoff.
>>340873138
2 greatest game of all times
>>340873138
2 was the completion of everything MGS was trying to do as a concept
Everything else is literally DLC tier in relevance
>>340872627
MGS2 is equivalent to MGS3
MGS2=MGS3>MGS1>MGSV>MGS4>MGSPW
someone please tell me whats the appeal of MTG2?
>>340875183
*MGS2 im probably drunk or something
>>340873352
This
Jesus this. Does no one else feel it?
>>340875183
Play the game
Play mgs1 right before
Pay attention
Meta ≠ good
Weakest story and characters of every MGS game
>>340872627
>It hasn't gotten better than this and you fucking know it
but MGS3 exists
>>340875183
there isn't any appeal. It's people trying to see deeper meaning in a trainwreck.
It's like people over analyzing Neon Genesis Evangelion.
>>340875393
so your saying the defuse bomb part, escort mission,Raiden ,hours of codec talking and the boss fights were all fantastic?
>>340875183
It pretty much has everything you would find appealing in any other MGS game.
>>340875303
I feel it
>>340876509
>It pretty much has everything you would find appealing in any other MGS game.
but with a horrible main character
>>340872627
I know, MGS2 is one of the best games ever made.
>>340873138
You're a fuckbabby. Honestly, 3 brought such fucking shitters into the series. All this muh big boss muh feels muh boss nonsense.
Real MGS is 1, 2 and GB. 3 barely makes it because Fukushima was involved.
>>340877018
>3 brought such fucking shitters into the series. All this muh big boss muh feels muh boss nonsense.
better than the "it's so deep" and "muh Snake strawman" shitters that 2 brought to the series
>>340876845
not a tough cool dude =/= bad
>>340877148
but being a whiny bitch = bad
>>340875183
>>340876147
There's plenty of appeal. MGS2 has tight, fluid, fast-paced sneaking that manages to avoid drowning in the excess and balancing issues of MGS3 and the games after it. It isn't perfect (some of the bosses are weak, the story could have used more dynamic presentation and the dialogue needs some work) but it's very successful given its ambitions.
You don't have to like it, but denying it has appeal just makes you look like an idiot.
>>340872627
3 is a much more well-rounded game. The level design was top-notch, and the mechanics only got deeper. I love MGS2's arcadey stealth, but the main game is kind of weak in the middle act. You're just kind of doing things waiting for the story to hit hard again. MGS3 was built more like an adventure like the first one.
>>340877326
I saw no appeal in MGS2.
Not even the gameplay blew me out of the water
>>340877209
Characters don't have to be likable.
He isn't especially whiny anyway. He's largely just confused and out of his depth.
G.W AI was right
>>340877527
Okay, baby girl.
>>340877209
It's not the point of every damn story to be a power fantasy. Kojima made you play as Raiden for a reason. He wanted you to see Snake through the eyes of someone who liked Snake, which would be like seeing Snake yourself. But the player doesn't like Raiden. Kojima is making fun of his fans, as he does in most of his games.
>>340877561
>Characters don't have to be likable.
no but they have to be tolerable. Raiden was never tolerable.
>>340877662
that's because I played Twin Snakes before MGS2 so I wasn't blown away by the "new" stuff due to experiencing it in Twin Snakes
>>340877760
>Kojima made you play as Raiden for a reason
this bullshit again?
>>340877018
This. Not that 3 isn't a great game or anything but damn 3 fags are always the plebbiest in the threads.
>>340877098
>better than the "it's so deep" and "muh Snake strawman" shitters that 2 brought to the series
You mean actual fans of the series?
>>340877778
>twin snakes
Into the trash it goes
>>340877957
I will take plebs over elitist bullshit pricks like >>340876914
It feels like Kojibo does all these sequels to avoid the fact snake's plot Is a continuity gap mess
>>340878061
>earnest little post about MGS2 being one of the greatest game of all times
>elitist bullshit
You're grasping at straws
>>340877979
>You mean actual fans of the series?
WOOOW
>>340878216
>calling a game"the greatest game of all times"
>not elitist
>>340877468
>The level design was top-notch, and the mechanics only got deeper.
MGS3 affords the player more options, but the new options combined with the open environments just make the game woefully unbalanced. More isn't the same as deeper.
>the main game is kind of weak in the middle act.
I'm not sure what you mean by this. The game constantly has shit going on.
>MGS3 was built more like an adventure like the first one.
What are you talking about? MGS2 isn't any less an "adventure" than MGS1. I like MGS1 a lot, but the game deteriorates into a boss rush pretty quickly.
>>340878306
Do you even know what elitism means?
>>340877869
Hideo Kojima's decision for the main character of a $10 million sequel to an very popular game was completely arbitrary. Makes sense bro.
>>340877778
>no but they have to be tolerable
Nope. If they work in the story that's enough. I'm not sure what you mean by "tolerable."
>>340878661
a person who doesn't make you groan every time they are on the screen or talking is tolerable in my book.
Raiden was not tolerable (sequels fixed that). Zelos Wilder is another example of a not tolerable person in my book
>>340878779
>sequels fixed that
Maximum pleb
OMG HE DA NIJNJA WIT WITE HAIR N A SWPRD SO COOOOOOL
Thanks for being the cancer that killed Metal Gear.
>>340878985
better than what he was in 2
>>340878779
>a person who doesn't make you groan every time they are on the screen or talking is tolerable in my book.
You must have a very myopic appreciation for fiction if you can't appreciate characters that are unlikable people. There's nothing wrong with a character being grating. They exist for the sake of a story, not to keep you company. Blanche is pretty groan-inducing in A Streetcar Named Desire (as are a few other characters). But she's a good character and it's a good play.
>sequels fixed that
Oh boy.
>>340872627
MGS2 is legitimately the best video game I've ever played and is the perfect example of how to do a sequel
I miss the indoor arcade stealth that MGS1 and 2 had
>>340878985
MGS4 Raiden was ultimate fan service and literally like my Japanese anime so I didn't mind too much. But people who hate on MGS2 Raiden played the game one time and were impatient fucks who didn't read into Raiden at all and skipped every Rose dialogue. They have one great codec talk at some point in the game.
There's nothing wrong with Raiden. He single handedly took down dead cell and 25 RAYS. People who say he was "whiney" are retards. He was was slowly figuring out shit just wasn't right and that "the Colonel" was witholding information.
>>340877018
I didn't think that /v/ had good taste anymore, good work here anon
>>340879223
>A Streetcar Named Desire
what?
>>340879364
>at all and skipped every Rose dialogue
she was a nagging bitch, why listen?
>and 25 RAYS
only if you are a masochist. When I played MGS2 I had to deal with like 6 of them and that was hard enough
>>340879309
If you haven't, play MG2 and Ghost Babel. I think they're better than MGS1 in most respects.
I also miss the classic style, but we got plenty anyway.
>>340879223
>They exist for the sake of a story
it's hard to get engaged in a story when the main focal point character is unbearable
>>340876215
Everything besides the escort, yes. Raiden is a great character, the codecs are interesting and the bomb defusal was one of my favorites parts of the game. I loved the fast paced objective based sneaking in each one of the cores, it was fun.
I don't know why people shit on that part, it was great.
>>340879364
>People who say he was "whiney" are retards
it's a meme, raiden does not moan at all in mgs2, even after the mindfuck he has to go through.
I think the meme started because kojima made a feminine looking character.
ironic that the games theme is meme.
>>340879524
>what?
Really?
>A Streetcar Named Desire is a 1947 play written by American playwright Tennessee Williams[1] which received the Pulitzer Prize for Drama in 1948. The play opened on Broadway on December 3, 1947, and closed on December 17, 1949, in the Ethel Barrymore Theatre. The Broadway production was directed by Elia Kazan and starred Jessica Tandy, Karl Malden, Marlon Brando, and Kim Hunter.[2] The London production opened in 1949 with Bonar Colleano, Vivien Leigh, and Renee Asherson and was directed by Laurence Olivier.[1] The drama A Streetcar Named Desire is often regarded as among the finest plays of the 20th century, and is generally considered to be Williams' greatest.
>>340879679
If you have extremely limited perspective, I guess.
>>340879524
>like 6 of them and that was hard enough
git gud
european extreme nigga, 25 rays.
they are not that hard really, just a drawn out battle and you have to keep the rhythm of the stingers going, if you loose the rhythm you have to get it back or you fuck it up.
the hardest boss is the harrier.
vamp is more tougher than the rays
>>340879725
I don't to literature. I took the minimum required courses in High School for English and that was it.
>>340879830
I'm a "first impressions" type of person unless it's blatantly obvious that they are hiding something.
>>340879957
I have no rhythm and Vamp was bullshit with the shadow pin stuff
>>340877209
Raiden never whines. Ever. Stop this meme. Play the game now that you're not 14 anymore.
Yes, he expressed disbelief during an increasingly ridiculous mission situation. He expressed frustration with his codec contacts strange behavior. He expressed confusion when a vampire runs across water and reflects bullets, or when he comes in contact with a woman who literally cannot be shot. It makes sense and after expressing his exasperation he nuts up and rises to the challenge, every time.
He's badass, but not an emotionally stunted stoic action hero wish fulfillment nonsense MC your simple mind wants him to be. He's an actual person.
>>340879687
I don't understand the escort bitching. It's just a secondary objective to sneaking. It's less obtrusive than dragging EVA's dumb ass around. The swimming parts I get (though they're extremely brief anyway), but I enjoyed sneaking with Emma.
>>340875303
>>340872627
Why does everyone hate 4? I thought it was an amazing send off to the series until Meme Walker came out.
>>340880080
>Play the game now that you're not 14 anymore.
Why bother? 4 rectons everything
>>340880254
2 fags were pissed that their game was rightfully shat on
>>340880080
So much fucking this
Raiden is a real human bean
>>340880109
I don't mind the swimming, I'm impartial to the sniping, but I thought the escort sneaking was frustrating. She takes forever to get her ass up, wipe off her shirt, then slowly grab my hand so I can move again. Getting caught for that is frustrating.
I honestly hated escorting EVA more. Jesus that part was awful. Then again a lot of parts in mgs3 were awful. Shagohad fight was the worst metal gear fight in the series
>>340880254
4 is insultingly poorly written
>>340880301
>implying
4 only retcons the ambiguous tone of 2 when it confirms that the Manhattan incident did happen.
>>340880418
>I don't mind the swimming, I'm impartial to the sniping, but I thought the escort sneaking was frustrating. She takes forever to get her ass up, wipe off her shirt, then slowly grab my hand so I can move again. Getting caught for that is frustrating.
>I honestly hated escorting EVA more. Jesus that part was awful. Then again a lot of parts in mgs3 were awful. Shagohad fight was the worst metal gear fight in the series
does no one use the tranq pistol in the escort missions?
>>340880301
>4 retcons everything
Nope. Play the games.
Metal Gear Solid 2 had a layer of polish so thick I don't think any game will ever truly rival it. There are not many vidya opinions I judge people for having, but not seeing MGS2 as the pinnacle of the franchise is one of them.
Is it flawed? Of course. But it dared to do so many things, and not once in the entire game does any stone feel unturned. Every single aspect, from the story, to the characters, the lore, presentation, gameplay, boss bottles.. all of it is insanely advanced and well put together. Nothing is wasted, everything fits together as a solid whole.
This game is legendary.
>>340880027
>with the shadow pin stuff
shoot out the lights
the ravs are simple when you get it down, you start with three, look at their mouths, hit the one who shouted first in the leg, then mouth, do that for all 3 (it's left, right, middle) by the time you took out 1 the 3rd will get on the platform, but you have a rhythm of 1 leaving the arena, 1 entering and 1 on the platform at all times...
hard to explain, only show.
I played that game to death on PS2 so even know I am out of practice I know all the guard routines, where dog tags are, bosses etc.
>>340880540
I thought the boss battles in 2 were underwhelming
>>340880465
>4 only retcons the ambiguous tone of 2 when it confirms that the Manhattan incident did happen.
and undoes the deletion of the AI
and fixes Raiden for the better
>>340880543
>shoot out the lights
that worked?
>>340880515
Yes. I HAVE DONE A NO KILL, NO ALERT RUN ON HARDEST DIFFICULTY. I KNOW HOW TO USE THE TRANQ GUN. THE ESCORT SECTION SUCKS
>>340879309
>MGS2 is the best way to do a sequel
>All sequels should be about a new character being put through the same exact circumstances as the character from the first game
>Sequels would ideally be just reskins of the first game and call the character something new
>>340880418
Fair enough. I enjoyed it myself. My point is that, unlike with EVA, sneaking with Emma--like the bomb freezing--only worked as a way of highlighting the game's core design emphasis.
I agree completely regarding MGS3.
>>340880080
Yeah but he's such a bitch when Rose keeps calling him and asking what day it is or some shit. Fuck Raiden, he should've told her to fuck off right away. Looks like he didn't eat nearly enough gunpowder when he was little.
MGS2 = Overall poor translation and lack of experience understanding narrative/recurring messages (I'm not even talking interpretation, many, many lines are just basic translation errors 1st year students don't even make, and if the point of a translation is to get the message across this fails. I would red-line most of this script). Very clearly done by someone in their 20s who either got pissed off and didn't give a shit anymore or just likes the sound of their own voice. Wish I had time to write a literal for it, MGS2 is pretty lulz awesome when the words match the visuals etc. luckily all the super corny lines are legit to good translations though some are added which I think should be kept for the lols (I KILLED MAH SOUL etc). But rly it is no wonder people are confused by this game, translation is not good and thus the message and meaning is super muddled. It's obvious after this game Kojima hired a proper translation team. Like, she can bitch all she wants but let's actually look at what this "pittance" got them. It is a near-diabolical translation. She got BASIC Japanese wrong. She flat out made shit up (which is where the "not enough room on the screen shit comes from, her flowery dumb way of writing is not in Kojima's style at all). She cut ENTIRE LINES of text. Imo this was worth LESS than what they paid her. It actually reads like a sabotage. She writes KIND OF ROUGHLY MAYBE what's being said and then flowers it up so the meaning is completely lost in places. This looks like a revenge job and there was nobody to check her. And now all she spends her time doing is shitting on her employers and whining about how Kojima is.
>>340880301
>rectons everything
4 retcons nothing, well not from the MGS era. I suppose big boss actually being alive retconned his supposing death, twice,from the MG games, which V has retconned his 1st death now
>>340880705
The deletion of GW did happen, GW was not the entire AI system
>>340876147
The most wrong answer
>>340880828
>Wish I had time to write a literal for it
Stopped reading there
Old fag who has been with the series for longer than the vast majority of you. My opinion is better informed than yours.
GOD TIER
MGS 3
GREAT TIER
MGS V > MGS 1 > MGR
GOOD TIER
MGA 2 > MGS: GB > MGA > MG 2 > MG 1
MEDIOCRE TIER
MGS 2 > MGS: PO > MGS: PW
COMPLETE GARBAGE TIER
MGS 4
>>340880593
I thought they were the best in the series. They felt very fast/gamey and interactive. I loved both solidus fights and fatman a lot. Pure fun fights.
Even fortune was cool even though you just evaded her. Vamp is fine too. Metal Gear Rex battle is the most fun boss in the first three games to me.
Mgs1 bosses are overrated. Sniper wolf isn't fun. She's not. Vulcan Raven is boring. Psycho mantis is actually good and so is the metal gear fight. Liquid is good too.
Mgs3 bosses all suck besides ocelot.
>>340880953
> V > 1
opinion dropped, didn't even read the rest of the post
>>340880898
but Ocelot restored GW, he said so himself
>>340880953
Your list is backwards grandpa
>>340880762
MGS2 borrows context and some core structural ideas from MGS1, but not anymore than the average sequel. I don't remember sneaking with Mery or searching for and freezing bombs in MGS1. MGS2 just borrows in a way that invites tr player to pay attention to it. MGS2 is just more self-aware.
>>340880820
Try being in a relationship some day
>>340880953
>he posts the same exact thing every time
Just kill yourself for that alone.
>>340880953
Sick bait bruh, but having MGSV anywhere near the top screams obvious troll. Try harder next time ;)
>>340876147
but NGE is really good
like it actually is. just because you didn't understand it doesn't mean it was bad bro.
>>340880705
>that worked?
yeah that is the first thing you need to do when he jumps in the water, it stops his freeze move on you, then set claymores down so when he goes invincible on the ground he gets blasted in the water...grenades and G launcher in the water, shoot his knives when he jumps on the rafter and then him, rinse and repeat...a rhythm again
>>340881126
>4 above anything
>4 at the fucking top
If you're insane, maybe.
>>340881125
That's not a retcon, a retcon is when they ignore MG 2 Solid Snake's oil crisis, a crucial plot point to the entire game, in MGS
If they deleted it and it was restored, it did happen anyways.
>>340880953
whoops I meant to post
3 >= 1 > 2 > 4 > GZ > TPP > PW
>>340881125
GW was damaged beyond function in mgs2. Ocelot gets access to its remaining functionality to get try to get access to the rest of the system.
Play the games,
>>340881264
how were you supposed to know that shooting out the lights worked?
and aren't the knives super fucking fast? How can you shoot them out of the air?
>>340881168
>The game is literally about putting Raiden through the same situations as Solid Snake
They do this in order to effectively make a new Solid Snake that works for the government since the real Solid Snake is off being a "philanthropist"
>>340872627
controls are such garbage dude lmao
>>340881351
Switch the 4 and 2 and we got an agreement.
>>340881085
>Mgs3 bosses all suck besides ocelot.
remember the fury with that very impressive fire animations that made the game go at 14.5 frames per second.
the boss is a good fight though and the end, if you actually out snipe him
>>340881447
He pins your shadow. No lights=no shadow.
I also beat vamp without knowing this the several times I've beaten mgs2
>>340881085
I liked every MGS3 boss a lot except The End and The Fury. The End was really long and mostly dead time, and The Fury lags like hell even in the HD version and doesn't do anything interesting at all.
As much as solid snake in MGS1 was supposed to be a love-letter to action-movie heroes and the hero archetype in general, he was also supposed to be a deconstruction and almost a parody of these things.
Unfortunately fans didn't notice (or wilfully ignored) this aspect of the character, so Koj went much more OTT and less subtle with the parody/deconstruction in MGS2.
However because the average video game player has less appreciation for nuance than a labrador, the reaction was HURR RAIDEN GAY WE WANT SNAKE BACK
MGS2 as a concept is the best in the series. MGS3 had the best gameplay and is probably the overall better game but the hate for 2 is idiotic.
>>340881463
>The game is literally about putting Raiden through the same situations as Solid Snake
Partially, but the stuff the player actually ends up doing is pretty different. The similarities are more relevant to the characters and to the game's thematic ideas than the game design. It's not even close to being a "reskin."
>>340881463
Not exactly. They do it to test a hypothesis that they can mold individuals through the control of information. They choose to recreate snake/shadow Moses because they figure if they can mold someone under such extreme circumstances then they can control and create anyone.
>>340881907
>MGS3 had the best gameplay
Meh.
>>340881746
>He pins your shadow.
yes but I figured that if the lights where shot out he would still do the pin because I did not expect something that advanced from games at the time I played MGS2
>>340882039
Alright then.
>>340881168
you didn't understand what was going on?
If you watch the making of doc for MGS2 that came with the original disc he explains how he wanted to recreate shadow mose, but from a different angle, that is why he created raiden, to make snake seem evem more of a badass through a rookies eyes.
Mgs 2 IS a recreation of mgs1.
in game and irl, the fatman section was just a training exercise to see if the rookie could do it.
in game, raiden, irl iwt was a way for the player to get used to the new sneaking mechanics and environments (very clever from kojima)
everything else then is basically a recreation of what we had to do in mgs1.
before you ask, that emma escort was basically the pan key card from mgs1 where we had to backtrack, on a timer.
all bosses, struts etc were a recreation of the things we had to do in mgs1
>>340882039
MGS2 was another totally different beast than anything else at the time
The attention to detail went from being a feature to the game's main focus.
Have you shot bottles on the upper, lower and middle sides?
Have you shot the pans?
Have you sent lewd pics to Otacon?
Have you read the briefing data?
The briefing data is a personal favorite
It's a newspaper review of a book
The book, inspired by another book by Romanenko
And the fucking book by Romanenko
MGS2 is good man.
>>340882348
>all bosses, struts etc were a recreation of the things we had to do in mgs1
the only recreation was shooting the stinger missile to disable an electric floor.
MGS1 had no escort mission, swimming, bomb defusing, sniping bombs, or badly designed bosses.
>>340881924
Of course its not a "reskin" I'm just saying that if the best way to do a sequel is MGS2, then this is essentially what they are devolving sequels into. MGS2 is a GOOD sequel, but not all sequels should be based off of it and all sequels shouldnt really be based on anything.
Think if MGS3 followed the story of "Tiger" after the events of MGS2, who is a special ops guy who is put through events by the government to make a new Raiden. How shitty would that be?
>>340882508
>Have you shot bottles on the upper, lower and middle sides?
No
>Have you shot the pans?
No
>Have you sent lewd pics to Otacon?
No
>Have you read the briefing data?
No
Who is Romanenko?
>>340882348
I did. I've just also played both games enough to realize there are huge differences even if the game invites the player to connect and think about the similarities. See >>340881924
MGS2 isn't a reskin of MGS1. The specific objectives and core gameplay/level design are all frequently rather different even if MGS2 borrows beats from MGS1.
>>340882756
The military advisor in MGS, the Russian chick you can call to ask about your weapons and nuclear missiles, deterrence theory and such
>>340882508
>All mgsV had to do is add Bottles and Pans to shoot, and sending lewd pics to Huey, and it wouldve been perfection!
JUST
>>340882747
Gotcha.
>>340882887
I honestly forgot she was a thing in MGS1 since she was basically optional
>>340881447
>how were you supposed to know that shooting out the lights worked?
when in doubt...codec. to shoot his knives use an assault rifle lol.
the first few knives you can use the pistol easy, after he is dying he throws a baffage.
you can dodge some of those major barrages though.
It gives you a hint on what weapons you need to use by refilling the ammo boxes near, and making you just pick up the M4 and G launcher in the warehouse. also there are claymores there.
I used to use the pistol, then quick change to the tranq and head shot him. when he was near finished and he threw the barrages, swith to the AK, then back to tranq to finish him off.
also when he starts you can get about 3 head shot tranqs in him that takes quite a bit of stamina down.
>>340883060
>It gives you a hint on what weapons you need to use by refilling the ammo boxes near, and making you just pick up the M4 and G launcher in the warehouse. also there are claymores there.
interesting. I never caught on to that, I just went "cool, more stuff". Might try it, if I ever replay MGS2
>>340880953
being in a hugbox and playing the games over again is no sign of credibility on anything, although your post is a sign of retardation
literally anyone who puts MGS3 anywhere but the bottom when ranking the mainline titles is an irredeemable piece of shit, and EVERYTHING else they say should be automatically disregarded
>>340883018
Well, the previous operations section has an entire book (150~ pages) written by her
And it's good, it's a good fucking book.
>>340883018
>basically optional
this is the thing though, everyone on the codec has a purpose. if you needed help to get past something. I mean how the fuck did any of us find out how to beat mantis or call meryl without the codec and our brains.
Mgs 3 lost that, the codecs wre all nearly pointless, where 2 still had it at points, the lost need help, gotta ring the colonel
i'm a bit annoyed about the solidus = solid ruse not working and mr.x not having gray fox' voice in the english version. would've improved the whole "woah what's real and what's not what is going on" thing
>>340883442
an all this is within the game?
why are MGS2deep4u babbies so obnoxious?
>>340883528
>i'm a bit annoyed about the solidus = solid ruse not working
It never really bothered me because it was overly obvious Solidus isn't Solid even in the Japanese version. Giving them different voices was nice anyway, too. I wish Big Boss didn't share the same actor as Snake.
>>340883542
Yes, special, previous ops, you'll find it there, when you read the first one you unlock the second one and so on.
If your main gripe is Snake there are the Snake tales, too.
Dogtags add lots of replay value
It's one of those games that get better the more you play them.
>>340883885
>If your main gripe is Snake there are the Snake tales, too.
it's not that I wanted to play as Snake in MGS2 but god damn Raiden was so unbearable.
It's that the MGS2 fanbase takes complaints of "Raiden is horrible" and twists it into "WAHHHHH I WANNA PLAY AS MUH SNAEK!!!!!"
>>340883862
>Giving them different voices was nice anyway
he does sound pretty different after he comes out in the open. he only does the solid snake voice when you hear him talking behind the walls.
but still, kojima did those things for a reason and i'd just liked a version as close as possible to the original
>>340882658
>the only recreation was shooting the stinger missile to disable an electric floor.
>>340882763
>MGS2 isn't a reskin of MGS1
I didnt say reskin, a recreation, even in the game it is a recreation the S3 program
here are the most easily identifiable similarities
enter a precur on site area taken over by terrroists by water
talking to a colonel and a female save file specialist
(fatman defusing as I said is the exception, although his battle resembles raven. snake being there was kojimas theme and in game an anomaly)
a warehouse strut where you have to continually back track to get weapons to go further.
sniping sequence where you have to retreat to get the sniper.
harrier-kastatka
cyborg ninjas
hostages you are there to save randomly die from an unknown cause (foxdie)
naked torture sequence
last boss has family ties/bonds
emma-pan key
then the bosses themselves have some similarities, well in the ways that you fght them.
probably more if I thought hard enough
imagine that kojima wanted to recreate what made MGS1 a hit, and very special, but obviously didn't want to copy pasta, and that is MGS2
>>340884621
>here are the most easily identifiable similarities
I'm aware of all of these. I'm not disagreeing with you at all; I just don't think you understood the context of my original post.
>>340883365
well it would be buzz kill if you ran out of ammo on a boss.
every MGS game give you the adequate ammo right in the area with the boss.
that is except for V and PW where you call in your own
>>340883429
>MGS3 anywhere but the bottom
idk why, but 3 has a depressing feel to the game.
it is pretty mediocre story, and the camo and menu game mechanics are terrible, but it is more than that.
probably something where I was hyped for it to see what happens after 2, for it to be a prequel without solid snake in it...as well as it being a james bond movie cardboard cut out.
low tier mgs game, even lower than 4 for gameplay.
>>340872627
I liked 4 better to be honest
>>340873352
>3352▶>>340875303
>>>340873138
>2 was the completion of everything MGS was trying to do as a concept
>Everything else is literally DLC tier in relevance
what was it trying to do
>>340873491
>putting V above 4
>putting V above anything
Shit taste
>>340880027
>I don't to literature. I took the minimum required courses in High School for English and that was it.
That explains why /v/ shits on MGS2 so much.
>>340880953
what's funny, is that if you reverse this list, it actually comes across to be corrected
>>340886551
Before MGSV came out we pretty much all agreed MGS2 was the best one beside the first.
>>340886787
>Before MGS3 came out we pretty much all agreed MGS2 was the best one beside the first.
fixed
>>340876147
>behold my shit-taste
>>340886905
>outing yourself as a newfag from reddit
>>340887274
nice strawman
>>340887271
see pic
>>340887271
Fuck it's been so long since that aired. Why did he tell her that again?
