Name a better game.
Majoras Mask
Bloodborne
>>340819318
Literally any other video game is better than that trash.
All true so far
Adding:
La Mulana
Deus Ex
Okami
Rondo of Blood
super metroid
>>340819318
Overwatch, Undertale, Dark Souls 3
You can't because there isn't.
Majora's mask, but just barely.
Shitposting.
Also,the one you just lost
Earthbound
MGS2
Half-Life 1
>>340819318
>Field walking/jumping simulator 1998
Every 3D Zelda that came after minus Skyward Sword
>>340820360
Dark souls 1 is better than 3
>>340820360
A frontal lobotomy is better than Undertale. Also adding Symphony of the Night
>>340821541
He was clearly b8ing
>>340821419
Good taste.
>>340821541
and so is DaS 2 and they're all better games than oot
Mario 64
Banjo-Tooie
CTR
>there will never be another game with that perfect blend of nonlinearity, difficulty, and diversity of mechanics as Ocarina of Time.
It also helps that it has some of the best budget management the industry has ever seen. You know scoring all that music and and throwing in stuff like the Gossip Stones must not have been cheap. I often sit and wonder about how a game like Ocarina of Time would be possible to create today.
The conclusion I always reach is that it wouldn't be possible. Not in this quantum reality that is. OoT was the last flicker of our species' collective creativity dying out.
>>340823175
>difficulty
yeah I beat it when I was 10, super difficult. Every fight is the same, there is literally no challenge to this game whatsoever
>>340823175
All of that was done 8 years before with A Link to the Past
>>340823175
>nonlinearity
lolok
>>340823342
>he never fought Barinade without a shield and no Z-target.
>didn't fight Dark Link at 3 hearts.
>didn't fight Volvagia without Goron Tunic.
>didn't kill Iron Knuckles by slashing their armor off from behind like Wind Waker.
If OoT wasn't hard for you, that's because you cheesed the game with fairies and Heart Containers.
>>340824343
Which is btw, the reason they exist. To help noobs.
>>340819402
This
Majora's Mask
The Saboteur
Red Dead Redemption
GUN
Metal Gear Rising
Kirby Super Star Ultra
Timesplitters FP
Dead Rising
>>340819318
Ocarina of time is objectively the best game ever made.
>>340823342
You can make the game harder by not collecting heart containers if its too easy for you
Get outta here with that weak-ass shit, OP.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GvfFIfbEHHI
>>340820360
>overwatch, undertale, dark souls 3
The memeWo?
Also, OP
Paper Mario
>>340826805
Spot the furry
>>340819318
Wind Waker.
>>340826971
LOL
>>340819318
Twilight Princess
>>340824343
>>340826094
You can play Animal Crossing using only one hand but it doesn't make the game designed to be harder, it just makes you an autist.
SS>OoT=MM>TP>WW>rest
>>340819402
This.
Also, most other games.
">>340819318" oot is horribly aged
metroid prime
>>340819318
I can't. 2016 and I still can't.
>>340819318
A Link to the Past.
Dominions 4
>>340819481
>Rondo of Blood
But SOTN > RoB
>>340819402
First post best post yet again.
>>340819402
>only 4 dungeons, none of them memorable
>shit bosses except Goht
>rehash of OoT
>Zelda isn't even in the game
Nice meme but the game is still shit
>>340827797
And you a retard.
The legend of zelda 1(NES)
>>340831019
this guy too
>>340824343
>>340831019
He's right though, handicapping yourself doesn't change anything about the game's actual difficulty
>>340823175
God damn could you have taken the nintendo cock any harder?
OOT was a good game, but it's the most memed game on the planet.
I wouldn't say it's too far fetched to think that OOT made a generation of retards that destroyed this industry
>>340831341
That's because you're the retard and see yourself in everybody.
>>340823589
Too bad Link to the Past is shit.
>>340831485
>Gets called put for shilling his barely above mediocre game
>B-but you're a retard!!1!1
End it
>>340824343
>didn't kill Iron Knuckles by slashing their armor off from behind like Wind Waker.
Neither did you or anyone else, because Iron Knuckles aren't in Wind Waker.
>>340828171
Skyward Sword is objectively the worst main entry Zelda game. It's the only one that starts off with the best cutscene in the series, then enters a steady decline.
>>340831643
>ocarina of time
>sets the standard for video games
>heralded as the greatest game ever
>barely above mediocre
how do you even quantify an opinion like this? the only thing that could be impressive at this point is something so mind shatteringly incredible that you would literally die playing it from the overload your brain will suffer. and the first person to survive it will go on /v/, say it's a 4 out of 10 game at best. truly the worst board.
>>340826556
Thank you for this nostalgia
>>340831959
>objectively
lol i won't even read the rest
>Shitposting thread
OoT is a great game. Easily a 10/10 both then and now. Personally? There are several games I like better, which I would also rate 10/10, but just enjoy more overall, for various reasons. Just because I can list other games I like more doesn't mean this isn't on my desert island list.
>>340832212
>wow his opinion hurt my feelings
>off to my safe space!
no other zelda game is bad immediately and stays that way. even twilight princess, which is also shit, has lots of fun moments.
>>340832340
>>wow his opinion hurt my feelings
>>off to my safe space!
>i think i hurt his feelings
it's just childish to use the word objectively when referring to any work of art. if you hate it, that's fine, but it's not objectively anything.
name 3 things that were objectively bad about it
>>340819402
This.
>rich, diverse cast of NPCs that actually do different shit at different times
>Can just spend days exploring Clock Town and all its different stories
>dark, spooky art design
>implied subtext makes the story feel deep
>a story that isn't "Ganon kidnaps Zelda and takes over Hyrule again but this time there are horses"
Ocarina is just a linear game pretending to be an open world one.
>>340819318
Halo 3 ODST
>>340832463
Meant to also quote >>340830587
>>340831341
T. Ff7 fag
>>340832340
>He thinks TP is shit
Was on board with bashing SS but now you're just hurting your credibility
>>340832245
10 out of 10 should only mean one thing, that it's a game that SHOULD be experienced over most games. ocarina is definitely one of those. to say it's the single greatest video game of all time ever is just naive. it's my personal favourite, but i have so many games that i cherish just as much. ocarina was a very important milestone in gaming, and has always been regarded as such. it's too bad the retards here never look at it that way.
>>340832463
i love majora's mask just as much, but it's not as important as ocarina. it couldn't exist without ocarina, but it is absolutely just as good, if not better in a lot of aspects. as a total package, it isn't as good. as a zelda game, master class.
>>340832459
fi, the game constantly harassing you to dowse, and the forced backtracking sections, and that's just 3.
>>340819318
diablo 2
>>340832703
>fi
nothing wrong with her, charge your batteries you sperg
>dowsing
>someone actually did this
>backtracking sections
this has never been a bad thing
>>340831490
Why do you think so?
>>340832703
>it isn't as good. as a zelda game, master class.
This "it's good but it's not the Zelda formula" sentiment is what's stagnating the franchise. Zelda needs to do different shit and the only thing that needs to stay no matter what is the exploration.
And something can still be better than its predecessor even if it owes its existence to it.
>>340831490
I know. LttP fans constantly allude to the idea that the game is better than OoT, but when pressed will barely be able to come up with ways it's actually superior. Much of the time they resort to making up stuff that is outright false.
>>340832619
TP has the wolf section, which as a transformation mechanic alone, fails to even compare to majora's mask. the biggest hyrule field to date, and the most empty. the slowest start in the series. the whole map is based on choke points, with nothing in them. forgettable dungeons. very weak cast of characters. at least it had midna, the only thing people talk about.
>>340832839
this is why i don't like debating idiots like you. you didn't bring anything to the argument, you just blocked your ears and went LALALALA NOTHING WRONG. your lack of an argument is why skyward sword is the worst. objectively.
Battletoads
>>340832924
>LttP fans constantly allude to the idea that the game is better than OoT, but when pressed will barely be able to come up with ways it's actually superior.
Are you pretending the Egoraptor video and the following fallout doesn't exist?
>>340830587
Really? I haven't played Majora's Mask in like 14 years and I remember all the dungeons. I remember the boss from the stone temple and of course Majora.
>>340832931
>your lack of an argument is why skyward sword is the worst. objectively.
lol that's not how logic works at all, child
if we're being objective, every single zelda game is 'bad'
>>340832463
I never cared for MM's emphasis on NPCs. They're the least interesting aspect of Zelda to me.
>>340832931
>Slowest start in the series
Why is this relevant at all
>Most empty hyrule field
That's not the great ocean
>Forgetable dungeons
TP has literally the best dungeons in any Zelda game, at least 3D. That is the other thing people talk about besides Midna. Those and the bosses, which are also some of if not the best
crafted by gods
>>340832924
What makes OoT superior, then?
>>340833112
Did you forget the sentence that anon said after, where he said "they often resort to making up stuff that is outright false?". Because that's exactly what that Egoraptor video is.
Ocarina Of Time is literally everything that Link To The Past wanted to be and more.
>>340833112
In what way would I have to 'pretend' anything?
>>340833365I agree with you but you have to recognize that to them they are very serious and they don't think they're lying
>>340832916
i meant for a game that has the zelda title, it's far and above one of the best, and it's the most dramatically different. nintendo obviously has no idea what they're doing, and it's really annoying. there are key things that should be kept. exploration, like you said, dunegons, boss fights, quirky characters, stuff like that. what it doesn't need is AND THEN ZELDA WAS KIDNAPPED BY GANON, GO GET THE THING TO BEAT HIM UP THE END. majora's mask was VASTLY more interesting because it had no ganon or zelda at all. the happy mask salesman alone was one of the best characters ever, and he was borderline nothing in ocarina. more of that, less MUH TRIFORCE. MUH GANON.
>>340833224
so you're just stupid. okay.
>>340833252
because in a game about exploration, dungeons, and puzzle solving, no one wants to spend 70 minutes herding goat, and backtracking 11 times before anything interesting happens. the great ocean had more in it in 6 squares than the entirety of hyrule field had, and no, it absolutely did not have the best dungeons in any 3d zelda, since ocarina did those better too. twilight princess spent so much time trying to be ocarina, that it was worse than ocarina, and had no time for it's own personality.
>>340833501
>so you're just stupid. okay.
What so asspained? In a game about exploration, dungeons, and puzzle solving, I don't care that much about a bunch of people in a town. Why does that upset you?
>>340833112
ocarina of time did some things worse, but was better in basically every aspect. what it desperately needed was instead of a horse that requires you to play a song, listen to the song play again, stand around until epon gets to you, mount epona, then turn around to ride her for all but 13 seconds, you should have just had pegasus boots. or calling epona should have made her just appear next to you.
>>340833365
Not him but what exactly is false about what Egoraptor said about LttP?
It took Zelda one and made it more friendly to play through. Not necessarily a bad thing, but it started a bad trend.
>>340833501
>i meant for a game that has the zelda title, it's far and above one of the best, and it's the most dramatically different. nintendo obviously has no idea what they're doing, and it's really annoying.
Oh, I get you. Still, I don't see much to be frustrated with. I wouldn't say they didn't know what they were doing so much as they were just given carte blanche to do whatever the heck they wanted with the new engine, so they did. It was an experiment of sorts, I guess.
>>340833632
did you literally just read what i wrote, type it back to me, and then ask why i didn't like it? twilight princess fans sure are dumb. probably why twilight princess was so bad.
>>340833769
Are you stupid? My response was to your teenage angst-driven insult regarding my lack of interest in Majora's Mask's priorities. I was just repurposing your own comment below your response to me.
>>340819318
If video games sustain themselves as a craft or possibly art form through the years, OoT will be to vidya what The Odyssey is literature.
This I believe wholeheartedly.
>>340833501
Consider that maybe the things you see as negatives other people see as positives, and vice versa
Everything it TP is way more interesting than almost everything else in any other Zelda. 6 squares of the great ocean will give you the exact same amount of content as 30, it's boring and barren. TP has the best environments and spectacle, not a single game comes close in terms of dungeon design, item selection (3D), and boss fights. TP took Ocarina and made it better in every single way
>>340819318
Best box art
>>340833284
Gods of the trash
>>340833759
no no no, i meant they don't know what they're doing NOW. with twilight princess, they completely gave up doing something new, and made the game so derivative of ocarina, that they forgot why ocarina was so good, and ended up with a game that has no soul or personality of it's own, and doesn't channel any of the good from ocarina.
>>340833941
calm down. clock town was more interesting than anything twilight princess had to offer, and since npc's are an integral part of a zelda experience, twilight princess failed there too.
>>340834013
i won't defend the ocean, but i'll defend twilight even less. twilight princess actually has no environments that are better than any others. twilight princess did exactly one thing better than ocarina, and that was give you a second claw shot. only, that's used to rarely it doesn't even matter.
>>340833287
>Superior use of music, for both ambiance and as a gameplay mechanic
>greater quality and quantity of side content
>better characters and more well developed storytelling techniques
>More immersive world. LttP has no equivilant of how OoT's desert feels like a far away land
>3D space enables a wider variety of interesting structures to explore
>likewise, this enables greater freedom through things like a freely aim-able bow that can hit things from vast distances
>More interesting dungeons, which, for instance can take organic forms
>>340819318
Tenchu Z
Silent Hill 2 and 3
Bloodborne
New Vegas
Timesplitters 2 and 3
>>340834260
Why does everyone have such a boner for Bloodborne? Don't get me wrong, I've played it and liked it - it's got a lot of polish and neatness to it, but it didn't blow my mind.
>>340834174
>no no no, i meant they don't know what they're doing NOW
Okay, NOW I get you. Damn, that took a while.
>>340834174
My post was only in reaction to your comments on Majora's Mask. I don't think NPCs are that vital, either. They play a role but they're easily ignored in the original, The Adventure of Link, and A Link to the Past. But I'm not begrudging their existence, just their increased emphasis. It just doesn't appeal to me. I wasn't calling MM shit or anything.
>>340834234
>Superior use of music, for both ambiance and as a gameplay mechanic
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mt9qJqj3wQw
>>340834371
Cause it's good. And better than OoT which is what OP asked for.
>>340819318
>should read name a worse game
>>340834421
we're smrt!
I will say that I recently bought a copy of LttP since I never owned it (only rented) and it is the most magical shit ever. It IS better than OoT, which I also recently began re-playing on the 3DS.
OoT
>Trapped in poor man's Neverland where you can't escape until you go through babby's first Zelda dialogue, find your sword, and go into a primer dungeon
LttP
>throws you right the fuck into the shit, wake up to mystery and foreboding
>and then it's off on a rescue mission
>literally the most exciting and thrilling Zelda intro ever
>immediately get the world opened up to you,
I will say that Ocarina got good once you beat the first dungeon and were given Hyrule field to explore, but playing it now on the 3DS, I kind of feel like I'm going through the motions. The biggest thing OoT had for it, and the reason it made so many memories, is the atmosphere.
>>340834371
It's everything Zelda could have been if /v/ design philosophers were at the helm instead of amiibo-"we want the fisher price audience"-modern Nintendo.
Seamlessly stepping into mysterious new frontiers, slowly unraveling the mysteries of your surroundings, heart-pounding duels with grotesque monsters, moving string sections playing woeful melodies during climactic boss battles - Soulsborne contains everything sublime and truly worthwhile about the Zelda experience.
>>340834234
>Superior use of music
Eh, maybe.
>greater quality and quantity of side content
Truth be told I've never cared that much about that, but agreed.
>better characters and more well-developed storytelling techniques
A Link to the Past keeps its narrative to a minimum and I appreciate it for it.
>More immersive world.
Insofar as it's in 3D space. I found A Link to the Past more fun and engrossing to navigate and explore, though.
>3D space enables[...]
See the above. I don't really agree with this. It does help with ambience.
>greater freedom through things like a freely aimable now that can hit things from vast distances
I don't think Ocarina of Time really uses it in all that interesting of a way, though.
>More interesting dungeons
Thematically maybe. Otherwise I don't really agree.
I love Ocarina of Time, but having replayed both recently I still find ALttP more compelling. I just enjoy its pacing more.
>>340834987
>Soulsborne contains everything sublime and truly worthwhile about the Zelda experience.
it lacks characters, and a story, 2 integral parts of zelda. soulsborne characters have about as much story as the guy in ocarina that goes WAH WAH MY HANDS HURT FROM WORKING.
It, for sure, makes for the ultimate memory. But I don't think it's all rose-tinted glasses: I made lots of my friends that didn't grow up with it play it recently and they all agree that, while surely old, it managed to resist the test of time in a remarkable way. It's just a very well designed game and I've never cared in deciding if Oot or Alttp was better. I just care for good games.
It was also the first game ever that gave me that sense of scope and adventure. Even though I couldn't read english at the time, know nothing of the plot and has to use a guide every time you had to go another part of the world because even though the game told me I didn't know what they said.
Just love it. Love, love it forever. Definitely one of those games I think everyone should play.
Also, the Water tempe is from a design point of view one of the bests in the game. The menuing is frustrating, but besides that it was fine.
https://youtu.be/COGJ_CPZ0Xk
>>340835173
>characters are more laconic and don't emote quite as much so they're less deep
OG Zelda characters only had a few lines and stayed put, the exploration was a generally solitary experience. Albeit, there were villages full of interesting people and those aren't really available in Soulsborne but the essence of the more impactful characters in Zelda is present. Navi is fucking annoying, the interesting lines come from people with maybe one or two things to say. Plus there's so much déja vu from other characters.
Plus the writing in Neo-Zelda (we'll say WW and TP is where signs of stagnation began to appear in the series, even if both are solid titles) is nowhere near as interesting as the gloomy woeful souls in MM or the Grimm Fairytale vibes of OoT. They talk too much.
What is the general consensus about Minish Cap?
>>340836298
One of my favorites, but it doesn't seem that popular. Therefore I'd say underrated
>>340836298
It's decent.
>>340819318
Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess
>>340830587
>Zelda isn't even in the game
that's literally wrong though
>>340819318
/v/ I went back to my oracles of seasons file and I had the flying bear as my pet. should I restart to get kangaroo or dadongo? also here is the order im going to my my next zelda games in:
>Oracle of Seasons
>Wind Waker HD
>Links Awakening DX
>Majora's Mask 3D
>Ocarina of Time 3D
not bothering with SS or TP. and ill eventually beat LttP on my emulator save ive had since high school
>>340838148
luckily I was only 4 hours in. should only take a day to catch back up, but this save is from two years ago at this point so i dont remember much of the game anyway
>>340819318
Burnout 3
Quake 3
Half Life 2
Overwatch
>>340819318
The Legend of Zelda.
