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Honestly, I can't find a good reason not to buy this. Can you?
What about the fact that the game is in such an outrageous state it has ceased being a part of its alleged MMORPG genre, being neither an MMO or an RPG.
Wish i was in beta.
Yes, I haven't played WoW in 5 years.
>>340783505
Legion is way different than WoD my man, I wouldn't be recommending it if it wasn't.
>>340783290
Not at all my friend, we should all purchase the latest great product from Blizzard Entertainment™!
I swear, Blizzard has some of the worst shills on this site.
>>340783290
Price, they should pay me for playing such crap.
Honestly, I can't find a good reason to buy this. Can you?
>>340783290
I'll buy it and play for a month or two.
Like most video games I get bored after playing awhile. It's like people here need a video game that keeps them entertained forever at the cost of $9.99
I haven't played WoW since 2007 but I'm feeling the itch again. Should I pick up Legion, /v/?
>>340784303
No.
If you want to hunt down legendaries, fight monsters with randomised affixes in scalable dungeons, perform short tasks that are highlighted on your world map and gain paragon levels, then Diablo 3 is the game for you.
Alternatively, you can play Legion.
>>340784303
I got it. I hope warrior order halls aren't shit.
>>340783290
Eh.
Thing is, I think I'd enjoy it for a while - at least the bits that I can play 'solo'. Got a job that takes more of my attention than the Vienna boy's choir in a pedo ward. As such I need to be able to jump in and out of a game without much fuss, preparation - I need a 'journal' (questlog) in the game so I can quickly read up on what I'm supposed to be doing etc. I wouldn't have time to got farm and prep for raids...
Might skip this one and keep playing EU IV and the occasional Diablo 3 romp.
>>340784547
It's a repurposed new dungeon and we get fuck all for important people.Sadly
>>340784653
Well that's shit. At least i have a lvl 100 mage.
>>340784034
Seconded. A month of WoD at launch and a month of WoD recently was all I needed, and I only played maybe 15 days of the recent month. Legion should be entertaining for a time.
What's up with the war right now?
Now that Varian is dead how is he gonna dismantle the horde? Are horde and alliance gonna call a truce to stop the legion?
>>340784303
No. Never make that mistake. Just stick to good private servers like nos-
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>>340784303
Mate, don't listen to the shitposters. Legion looks solid.
Lots of quality dungeons, 2 great new raids, tons of world content, hard as fuck dungeons with the new difficulties if you're into that, tons of new lore. Lots of customization. Transmog system. STRONG post-release patch support unlike WoD. They are promising it and they know if they don't keep that promise they will lose a record amount of players again.
It's all there, mate.
>>340783290
Think about all the cool stuff in the previews, beta footage, etc. and just remember how often blizz fucks up a good thing.
>>340786939
If they fuck up again they are finished. Remember that WoD did a lot of damage to them.
Don't you think they will try and avoid that?
>>340789017
Don't you think they would have tried to avoid that in WOD?
>>340783290
Playing better games.
Well at least there's going to be a lot less orcs for this expac right?
>>340783290
itll come out, get one patch and you'll be doing nothing for a year again
get off the ride anon
>>340783290
Yeah lots of reasons. But I've been looking forward to a Legion themed expac since Warcraft 3 and I've wanted to use Ashbringer since Vanilla, so I'm more than happy to give it a month or two.
Also in the beta and things are pretty good so far so hard to complain.
>>340786071
The beta is much better than the WOD beta was at this point. I was surprised at how smooth things were.
I'm being cautiously optimistic. Some of the things they're adding look really good, but I thought the same thing about WoD when it came out and look what happened with that expansion.
>>340784303
no.
o
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>>340783290
I can, it's made by modern Blizzard.
>>340784303
God, what have they done to Maiev?
You think you want to buy it, but you don't.
>>340786071
>2 great new raids
Only 2?
>It's gonna be good THIS time, I swear guys
>>340791032
Quality over quantity. MoP had 3 raids at launch and the only one that wasn't forgettable was the Mantid raid.
Plus we'll fight iconic beings like Cenarius, Dragons of NIghtmare, Xavius, Gul'dan, Tichondrius etc.
>>340783290
Blizzard's broken too many bridges over the years for me to even give them a chance nowadays. I haven't forgotten the mess that was Cata, SC2 and D3.
>>340786071
>They are promising it and they know if they don't keep that promise they will lose a record amount of players again.
That won't stop them from not keeping their promises.
also
>tons of new lore
come on
>>340791132
Cata on release was good. MoP was good. WOD was a shitshow but you make ti sound like they haven't done anything good in forever.
>>340791250
>Quality over quantity.
Fair argument but I don't believe Blizzards capable of making quality content anymore.
>Xavius, Gul'dan, Tichondrius
There's 3 final bosses for a raid right there, why only 2 raids?
>>340784303
You haven't seen how bad the game got in Cataclysm and WoD. WoD tipped it over the edge, there's too much bullshit for any new expansion to be redeemed by a greater feature. I don't know how you felt about the game in 2007, but if you loved it you should absolutely avoid the present game to preserve its sanctity in your mind. It's not worth it at all.
>>340791538
>Cata on release was good.
Then they decide to nerf the content
>>340783290
Cata, MoP, and WoD are all terrible, these are indisputable facts. Also, Legion adds a second garrison, why the fuck would you want that?
>>340791987
>MoP
>bad
Opinion discarded.
>>340792197
furfag detected, only possible reason someone could like MoP was if they look past all the shitty zones to masturbate to fat pandas
>>340791987
You lost when you said the order halls were a garrison. You failed twice when you said 'twice' as if the first were relevant now. They're nerfing the garrison to give no gil thus it might as well not exist.
>>340792312
hey the pandas were good fap material
>>340791032
There are two at release, then two more released in content patches. So four total
>>340783290
Already bought it, not like I'm buying other games at the moment (Everything is so shit its actually worse than current WoW which is saying a lot)
>>340783290
Fucking game is so bad people want legacy servers. Now what does that tell you? Also garrisons? Cities and popular hubs are almost ghost towns now because blizzard just had to rip off FFXIV housing in a sad desperate attempt to stay competitive.
>>340792349
>You failed twice when you said 'twice' as if the first were relevant now
literally never said "twice." Also, the class hall has missions just like a garrison, I don't know if they're deleting the garrison, but so long as they don't, its just unwanted bloat.
>>340792415
Only 4? I don't see the point in bothering unless each of them have 8+ bosses
>>340792814
garrisons won't exist in legion
>>340792312
Just because I've spent hours fapping to LiLi doesn't mean that was the only thing. Also had some really good raids. ToT was one of the best raids they have ever done. MSV was really good too.Really fun tanking with brewmaster. Good overall world experience. Isle of Thunder and Timeless isle were fun.
>>340791657
Tichondrius is basically Gul'dan's supervisor because of his failure in WoD
>>340792312
>shitty zones
I'm the only person in the world who loved Dread Wastes, Jade Forest and Valley of the Four Winds, aren't I?
>>340784303
NO.
>>340792838
The point is that youre trying to use the WoD garrison as ammo against Legion when it has nothing to do with Legion. Just having a few missions does not equal a garrison either. Theres fewer followers, less freebie missions, longer missions (less management), more sending you into the world missions, no buildings to upgrade and manage, no free professions, no free reagent farms, and no personal instancing.
Im not saying its a good method of introducing quests or storyline, but its hardly a garrison.
>>340793264
So there is less content?
>>340792312
>shitty zones
kill yourself
>>340792838
How come people like you never realize that the Garrison experience in WoD was so much more than just the mission table?
It fucked over a lot of the game, only a very small part of it is coming to Legion, and it's nerfed to shit on top of it.
If you're so triggered about visiting a table a few times a week, then I don't know what to say. It's like less than 1% of your experience on Beta.
>>340792858
except that the first tier contains about 17 bosses, and given the last 2 expansions, the next two tiers will probably have 10-11 bosses each.
The expansion looks great, I'm in the beta and am happy with what I've done so far. It really looks like they've fixed all the shit from WoD while also adding a ton of cool new stuff.
The new melee animations make it a whole new game and they're promising new caster animations too.
>tfw playing fury warrior
>tfw playing shadow priests
>tfw DK
Professions look really fun, Suramar is a story driven zone rather than a glorified lootbag, and Class campaigns look fun.
Also new animations look pretty neat.
>>340794073
These are my concerns as follows.:
>The longevity of world quests.
They seem to only offer introductory max level gear and nothing long term to convince people to engage in them once their reputations are max.
>The lack of more cosmetic options in artifacts.
As much as I hate to say it, they may have to add cash shop skins and I bet they will resort to it.
>Short sightedness of timewalking and zone scaling.
Needs to be extended to all old world zones and dungeons if not at least optionally.
>Legendaries
This is the biggest mess because they are rewarded so randomly and arbitrarily. It might determine who is invited to raid spots and limit your progression to factors out of your control. They also gravely shape how you play with particular pieces.
>>340783290
If all you had to do was buy Legion, I probably would.
But since you also have to pay every month (or spend days farming gold), I'll pass.
>>340786071
>STRONG post-release patch support unlike WoD.
They said WoD would have this after failing with one content patch over 14 months in MoP. Why would you fall for this lie again?
>>340783290
Here's a good reason to not buy it
THE GAME FUCKING SUCKS SINCE 2009
Literally a Band-Aid over a festering wound.
>>340794509
>The longevity of world quests.
They're mainly used to get artifact power. Plus, some give pets/profession stuff. As someone with a ton of alts, at least I can gear them up with actual content once I'm done on my main rather than just running around Tanaan.
>The lack of more cosmetic options in artifacts.
I dunno man, I think there are a ton of great skins to pick from for each weapon, plus the new transmog system will be the icing on the cake.
>Short sightedness of timewalking and zone scaling
I'd rather they focused on new stuff. The old world is boring and outdated, I don't know why people would want to go back unless they pulled a cataclysm 2.0
>Legendaries
I doubt they will matter that much, if they do they will likely get nerfed. Don't really care either way, I have enough friends who play that I don't need to worry about not being picked for spots.
I think the whole legendary thing is a decent idea, but we'll see how it pans out.
>>340794509
>
>Legendaries
This is the biggest mess because they are rewarded so randomly and arbitrarily. It might determine who is invited to raid spots and limit your progression to factors out of your control. They also gravely shape how you play with particular pieces.
As someone with irregular schedule to raid, I actually like this. This gives me hope and a reason to keep playing while the extremely calculated and repetitive autistic raids doesn't appeal to me.
>>340794565
Gold is piss easy to make right now, I have over a million gold and all I do is the Garrison tables once or twice a day.
>>340790923
that's clearly just a night elf warden as the render states on the bottom right. Faggot just renamed the image to Maiev
Didn't buy WoD, only buying Legion because it will keep me busy until Final Fantasy then Legion will rot away until it's f2p in 1.5 years
>>340795075
But how long did it take you to develop your Garrison or 10 into a gold mill?
>>340794509
I need to find out exactly how likely you are to get legendaries.
>buffing LFR rewards instead of nerfing them into the ground to promote the new dungeon system
dropped so hard
What sold me on it is the ability to hide shoulders
Finally I can make the barbarian ive always wanted
>>340783290
pre ordered the day it was available for pre order
quite the blizzcuck i am, still didnt fall for the ebinwatch meme
>>340794925
>why do you have that one particular helmet equipped instead of best of slot!
>why are your artifact powers so fucked up you are clearly not following the icy-veins mandatory guide
>you dont even have the proper talents equipped what the fuck
oh cause i use this legendary that all this works better with
>oh cool thats fine then
sure all this means is that instead of 1 build for each class with 1 best in slot there will be diablo3 style sets you need to follow, but fuck yeah it was 11 years late
>>340794509
World Quest rewards scale with ilevel. Theoretically, you can get a Mythic Gul'dan ilevel piece if your ilevel is high enough.
They've said they will likely be adding more skins as the game progresses, as they feel the current amount isn't enough for how fast players can consume content.
Timewalking will get more dungeons, but they figure there needs to be a grace period before they add another expansion's timewalkers. MoP was one they brought up for doing later in Legion possibly.
Legiondaries have some form of bad luck protection and are still in the process of being tuned.
>>340795579
which is stupid, because you shouldnt be doing the same content once you progressed past it, nor should world mobs ever earn you fucking mythic gear
Timewalking is shit if they dont nerf old legendaries too. At least tier bonuses have been nerfed
If they follow through on all/most of their plans and promises, Legion could be okay and worth playing to a degree, but I'd recommend against playing daily or spending as much time on it as some of the better expacs.
>>340795449
can't expect blizzards target audience to do things that require much(if any) personal responsibility, anon.
>>340795712
There's nothing wrong with World Quests, anon. Also, that's theoretically - given the insanely random nature of said WQ loot, you'll likely not find an 'Of the Whale Ass' piece that eclipses 'Gul'dan's Assless Chaps.' Or whatever.
>>340795281
4 Garrisons and like a month and a half each. If all you're doing is the tables then all you need is a Level 3 Inn for Treasure Hunters and a Salvage Yard, maybe an Enchanting Hut if you're feeling adventurous
The hard part isn't making gold right now, it's not spending that gold on dumb shit
>>340795712
>which is stupid, because you shouldn't be doing what i dont want you to be doing
hmm, how come if blizzard removes something like the waterwalking from the waterstriders people complain that "no fun allowed, fuck you blizzard you cant tell me how to play your game"
its the main argument vs vanilla servers as well.
sounds a bit disingenuous, no?
>>340783290
>Honestly, I can't find a good reason not to buy this. Can you?
I'm already playing FFXIV.
>>340795991
im sorry
>>340783290
>Can you?
Oh yes, casting from weapons ruins all the casters for me so I'm done with that game.
>>340795938
You shouldnt be stuck in a rut because RPGs are about progression you fucking tard. Anybody who wants to sit doing the same thing with no progression shouldnt be playing RPGs they should go play fucking Spelunky
I own original WoW and the first two expansions (BC and WotLK)
How many more expansions and how much more shekels do I have to give these jews to be up to date and be able to play to max level?
Do I just have to buy Legion? someone plz advize
>>340783898
Hehe, silly goyim. Just buy the game, you know you want to!
>>340795991
Played it for a month and got bored.
>>340796240
If you own the base game you own every expansion except Legion.
>>340796216
Except you're still progressing. If you argue that doing the 'same' WQs is a rut, then you are also arguing the fact that farming the same dungeon/raids over and over for that mythical BiS is also a rut and not good for the game.
>>340796216
>anybody who wants to sit doing the same thing with no progression shouldn't be playing RPGs
>>340796128
Don't be. I love this game and have been playing it for years, including 1.0, without ever wanting to quit other than when 1.0 came out as a complete blunder.
Everything ARR and forward I've enjoyed and have felt no reason to leave the game.
>>340796410
>dont cry for me, im already dead
fixed that for you
>>340783290
im a exploration/lore fag , as long as they add new zones for me to explore ill go
>>340796367
Interesting.
I'm guessing Legion is probably like 70 bucks though
fuck that I'll just play Rift to get my MMO fix. I don't have the time necessary to devote to Wow to actually be good.
>>340796523
>being this salty that someone is enjoying something you don't
Your life must not be very nice.
>>340783898
Worst shills are Valve. They pay per shitpost on other company threads.
>>340786071
You sound like a battered housewife.
>>340796626
I don't know, at this point I'm almost certain Blizzard has marketers here to come into games for competitors (aka FFXIV in the case of WoW) just to shitpost about the games and tell lies to try to get people not to play them. All while praising WoW by comparison.
>>340783290
I quit playing WoW 10 years ago.
>>340796552
>tfw they jewed it down a better WoW clone than WoW to go F2P
because wow is boring lol kek zozzle rekt
>>340784303
This fucking OBVIOUS FUCKING SHILLING.
I'm tired of Burning Legion/Fel shit and find Woven lore incredibly boring. I want a true Old Gods expansion; new zones lead further and further under the mantle of Azeroth. I want to see a renewed all-out Horde-Alliance war. I don't care about new races or classes, I want a good story along with good dungeons. I want Cataclysm part 2 - the Apocalypse caused by Gods of the Void.
>>340797084
*Elven lore
>>340797084
>I want to see a renewed all-out Horde-Alliance war.
Every time they do this it's retarded and shitty.
>>340783290
I'll start playing WoW again, once they go F2P, there's literally no reason to pay $15 monthly anymore will everything else out at the time
>>340783290
I like dungeons, they're fun. I quite like the idea of having mythic dungeons.
The first round or two of raids are also entertaining.
I'll play it for a bit, because why not?
Alright hold the fuck up I know you get a free weapon thrown at you but I remember reading a while ago avout some diablo looking affixes, what's the deal with those?
>>340797084
>in pandaria, temple of the white tiger
>the white tiger makes me go through some trials
>who do you hate the most?
i was like hmm actually i really dont like uh...
>automatically shows a shadow of Varian Wrynn, king of the alliance
oh fuck off my character has never even seen a fucking photo of this cunt. Being a goblin he'd be upset at any number of pirate goblins or enemy cartels, storywise fucking jaina had done more shit to the horde and i helped her in northrend fuck that bitch.
>>340797435
I'm in the same boat
I'm jumping back in when it goes F2P not a minute before
>>340797695
the diablo team has been disbanded to work on a new game
All the remaining ideas went to legion.
This includes Greater Rift style dungeons that increase the power of your rift stone, dungeons with modifiers such as "all enemies enrage at 20% health" and shit like that.
its kinda like a Destiny strike
>>340797746
>>340797435
t. poorfags
if you're going to enjoy this piece of turd with all the shit f2p is going to bring, you sure as hell can enjoy it for 15$ for a month
don't even call me a shill i stopped playing during cata and fuck me if i ever play it again
>>340797084
Really they should just remove factions.
Every expansion it's "I try to kill you." "Oh no, now demons are trying to kill me." "Lets team up to kill demons." "Now I will go back to trying to kill you." "Oh no, more demons."
>>340797205
Mainly because they dont commit.
Its maybe 1 zone of actual fighting with but when you leave , every zone after it becomes a "oh theres a big meanie we have to combine forces to stop...i guess we are okay with being friends"
>>340798004
it's not about the money I have the money but paying for something I'm not going to have a lot of time for is stupid.
When i'm subscribed to something I feel obligated to use it and then it feels like work instead of fun
>>340783290
>garrisons 2.0
>every other new feature is just lifted from Diablo 3
Why would I play this shitheap when Diablo 3 doesn't have a monthly sub?
>>340797535
>I like dungeons, they're fun
Double digit IQ confirmed. World of Warcraft PvE is not fun, it's for brain dead retards.
>>340798268
But the new dungeons look really nice.
>>340798268
Compared to the gameplay mode that you simply DDOS your opponent to win?
>>340786071
>They are promising it
No they are not. It's not a promise unless they say it's a promise, and they'll never do that.
Haven't you learned from all the cut content from WoD? Blizzard's defense is that they never promised them.
being forced to have a gathering profession is a huge turn off
Im buying it just to get this armor set.
>>340800759
Two crafting professions is fine. You can still get the blood of sargeras from killing mobs or doing dailies
two gathering professions is fucked, though, theres no reason to do it now. Since all nodes are now personal nodes if they didnt put a stop to bots and gathering autists the economy would just collapse. its just a huge "fuck you" to all the bots.
>>340795991
>in lieu of any actual content to show off, just posting generic looking 3d ass instead
yeah i'm hooked already, you basic-ass retard
Demon Hunters will be really fun. Having a blast with them on the beta.
>>340801041
>You can still get the blood of sargeras from killing mobs or doing dailies
are you sure about that? a tester was saying you could only get them with gathering.
>>340798268
It's not really about challenge, the dungeons have always been easy. It's just about the environments, and whatever silly bosses they chuck in. There's still quite a lot of imagination that goes into the areas - even if the overarching plot, and most the rest of it, has gone to hell. I guess a few of the devs still love their game.
>>340800765
looks like trash desu
>>340783290
>be me watch Warcraft movie resub after 3 years
get in legion beta the next day
feelsgoodman
>Expecting people to buy burning crusade 2.0
They're not even trying anymore
>>340803396
more like wod 2.0
>>340803256
What's the beta community like? Large reason I'm not subbed is the player base.
>>340802046
Fishing for sure gets you it, so you dont even need to change your professions if you want to get the blood
its a non issue
>>340786071
why do I get so much satisfaction from seeing posts like this? I can only get these posts from the battered Stockholm syndrome blizzard wow people, I can almost taste from the exact words hes spewing that little part that truly doesn't believe what hes saying but still lies to himself and pays the big bad blizzard the monthly fee
>>340804853
>why do I get so much satisfaction from seeing posts like this?
Because you're a fedoramancer enlighted by his own intellect.
>>340804906
if fedoramancer was a class in wow, I would resub
>Zone Scaling
>All Mobs/Quests scale to your level
Who thought this was a good idea?
If you genuinely think this is what WoW needs you're an idiot and don't understand MMO's at all.
Yet to be fair WoW is no longer an MMORPG its some weird themepark rpg.
>>340805432
at least lvling alts is going to be tolerable this time.
>>340805432
as someone whos still dumb enough to play SWTOR, i agree
they implemented the same shit in the new SWTOR expansion and its honestly just pointless
What is the most skill intensive/best healer so far in Legion? I played Resto Shaman in WoD, but want to play something really different, unless resto shamans changed dramatically.
>>340783505
I just want to play a demon hunter for a little while. The game can burn in hell after that for all I care. I think that's how a lot of old school fans feel about this entry.
>>340783290
>tfw love playing combat rogue
>now I'm a pirate because of Hearthstone
Fuck that noise.
>>340805997
is literally the same shitbut fucking slower because they removed restless blade
>>340783290
Someone recommend me a dps spec to play during the beta between rogue, mage, warlock, warrior or Death Knight.
>>340806184
unholy dk
demonology lock
>>340806184
all dps are pretty much the same
How do I get into the beta
>>340805997
whats so bad about being a swashbuckler
>>340806294
Demo lock is actually the only class I have tried besides balance druid and im enjoying it. So I guess I'll stick with that. Glad they finally focused it on actual pets now. Love my army of minions. Unholy looks neat but dot class ramp up makes questing annoying.
>>340806414
Hope for the blessing of the RNG gods. Thats how I got in.
>absolutely ruin the game with wod
>proceed to make it "diablo 3: the mmo" in an attempt to 'fix' it
LOL
I just wanna play the beta so I dont need to buy it to try demon hunter
>>340806482
I liked being an agile swordsman, pirates just don't tickle my fancy the same way.
Also replacing my main combo move with random stat buffs is a total load of crap.
>>340806414
got mine from a wowhead giveaway
>>340783290
>Honestly, I can't find a good reason not to buy this. Can you?
Sure i can think of one reason:
I'm not retarded.
>>340806796
>I'm not retarded.
>he said on /v/
>>340800765
Put that on a fucking Troll,Tauren or Worgen and it will looki like fucking shit. That set Literally only works for Night elves
>>340783290
No. I still am but that's just because I have a problem.
>>340800765
My druid is a night elf female, so I'm stoked as shit.
The focus on the Burning Legion seems interesting but I'm one of those poorfags who aren't willing to pay a sub.
I'm particularly butthurt that I have to either go hunting for a WoW gametime card which is it's own adventure or give blizzard my debit card that doesn't like online stores. How fucking hard would it be to let people buy game time with paypal or their own battle.net credit which I can just buy at walmart? It's like they don't want me playing.
>>340786071
Look, if we're going off WoD then there are things that need to be fixed. Dungeon/Raid content doesn't mean shit if the social aspect is as hollow as it is now - i.e. Dungeon finder/LFR queuing. They've also made the questing feel really closed off and 'to the rails' (if that makes sense), detracting from the open world aspect to opt for a 'focused' storyline that still feels like it has holes in it. Lore? What, like Illidan back from the dead? WoW stopped being about the lore and more about how they can place characters from the games to try and sell an expac... probably from the release of BC. Transmog is nice, but also shines a torch on the fact that a lot of the good looking gear sat around BC/LK and everything after lacks character. Plus the business model they have now no longer warrants good post-patch support - it's been getting worse every expansion.
Honestly I think Legion will probably stop WoW. I did a resub for a month of WoD after quitting in 2009, saw all the end game content (albeit through LFR Babby goggles) and I don't see why I'd be playing the game over other games right now. There's better games out these days and the social aspect that made WoW so interesting is dead and buried with empty servers and LFD/LFR.
>>340807090
Well you shouldnt be playing a resto druid anyway so its not really a problem
also Trolls need more troll sets thnx
>>340807379
you need to find a guild of people you actually like and play group content with them
you're obviously not going to get a vanilla experience again so I hope you're not expecting that
>>340807379
>LFR queuing
I stopped reading your post right there. You can spot someone that hasn't touched the game since AT LEAST MoP a mile away the second they mention LFR. WoD destroyed LFR. Nobody uses it except people that can't be bothered to look up a youtube video. Flex is what all the casuals use now, and have been all WoD.
>>340807735
>WoD destroyed LFR
except for the fucking ring you god damn retard.
And on top of that they are buffing LFR rewards in Legion, tier and shit is being added back
>>340803396
>burning crusade 2.0
I fucking wish
>>340807841
Why does any of that concern you, though? Just find a guild and do the harder content, dumbass.
>>340807379
If you think you experienced the expansion through LFR you need to stop talking. I understand what you mean with the questing, but the way they are currently doing it is the best way to deliver the story to the players through questing. Also If you had actually bothered to learn anything about Legion though, you would know that you can do the Legion zones in any order, they scale with you. Of course some people are going to have complaints about that too, but you can't please everyone.
>>340808902
I honestly never understand why people bitch and moan so much about lfr. Is not like you have to do it.
>>340793013
Nope. I wasn't fond of Dread Wastes as much. I love every other zone (save for Krasarang) though. Kun-lai is surprisingly comfy
>>340808902
Because it means people wont be running dungeons, makes playing my alt fucking boring, and running LFR for tier and trinkets was gay in Cata and Mists and will be gay in Legion
>>340809141
What? Dungeons will be more relevant in Legion than ever. Dungeons can now drop like 50+ iLvL loot even in normal mode if you get lucky (though it's rare) and they've added Mythic and Mythi+ difficulties.
The expansion literally caters to everyone, and does it quite well. It's not like WoD where dungeons became irrelevant 2 weeks in.
>>340793994
I came back to WoD when I was given it for free and the 7 day trial a month ago. By the end of the week I was already sick of the garrison, but got a month with a wow token just to play other characters.
>The mine/herb garden
>The profession buildings
>The daily time locked demanding shit
>The fact this all generates money and you absolutely have no reason not to do it unless you like being poor
>Effectively renders gathering/crafting completely worthless
>There's no real customization unless you want to fuck up your maximum income/performance potential
Thanks Blizz. How the fuck did ANYONE play WoD for more than a month?
>>340795579
>World Quest rewards scale with ilevel.
I havent seen/heard this cited anywhere ever
>>340809141
You sounds like you have no idea what your talking about, do you even know what mythic dungeons are? If you aren't interested in Legion that's fine, but why talk shit about a game you know nothing about?
>tfw tanking is fucking ruined in legion but you still gotta stick with your homies till the end
end my life famalamas
>>340809289
dungeons became irrelevent because of fucking LFR you mongoloid, and they will do that again because tier/trinkets beats pure ilvl
>>340809546
the dungeon warforged from dungeons is ilvl is higher than lfr.
>>340783290
The ability prune is what will kill WoW.
A level twenty (20) in vanilla had more abilities than a level 110 in legion. Maybe next expansion when the game is down to 500k players they'll prune every class down to 4 buttons so the shitty game can be ported to consoles.
>>340809479
It was mentioned during a few Q&As, and it's currently 'active' on the beta. WQ gear starts at 805/810 ilevel as a fresh 110, and scales up from that to keep 'parity' with your average ilevel to keep them worth doing even late in the expansion.
>>340809724
>you need to get lucky for the gear from content significantly harder than LFR to actually be better than LFR
and this is justified how? Mythics are on a weekly lockout like LFR, there is no reason they should be remotely close in strength
oh yea, and tier/trinkets retard
>>340809960
Worth noting; Vanilla used spell ranks and you'd often have your entire class's repertoire by about 30 or 40, leaving the remaining levels to be purely +1 ranks to spells you already had.
>>340810097
Gear from a high level mythic dungeon will be comparable to gear from mythic raids.
>>340809960
this pretty much to be honest
there's only so much you can butcher away until gameplay seriously suffers and you alienate everyone who can rub more than two brain cells together
With WoD they would have been on an okay-ish level - IF they actually added stuff on top with legionthey didn't :^).
It's not coming out for another 3 months is a prety good reason
>>340810467
TIER
AND
TRINKETS
Im not sure how this is confusing you, but higher level mythic dungeons will be significantly harder than LFR, gear and skillwise, and LFR will still be better for a long time because of tier bonuses
RoR, UVLS, Bindings, AoC, we've seen LFR pieces be stronger than literally anything but a trinket of the same name in the past. It doesnt fucking belong in retard mode
The effort level is way fucking off. Nobody will run the low level challenge dungeons because LFR gear is superior, thats horrible fucking design considering I cant AFK as a tank in a dungeon like I can LFR and dungeons dont nerf themselves to me, never mind QUEUE SYSTEMS ARE CANCER
LFR shouldnt have tier, and should be weaker than the first difficulty of dungeons, it should only be there for absolute mongoloids who cant dps their way out of a wet paper bag
>>340811001
I don't think every item slot you have is filled with tier and trinkets.
>>340811219
doesnt matter, means people are running LFR to gear up which just makes them sick of a raid before they even touch normal
its a shit design, and nobody should be sitting in retard difficulty for actual upgrades over harder difficulty dungeon pieces.
>>340811001
Well I agree, we also don't know what's actually gonna drop in LFR until the LFR is actually open and testable. Just because it's datamined doesn't necessarily mean it's in-game. I know there's a handful of things that were datamined ages ago, but were never put in-game.All that said, they very well could anyways, considering they're going full retard and not auto-disabling the ring at 110 at launch anyways.
>>340784303
>No blades on her cloak
>Slutty face
>Looks like a power ranger
>Bet she can't even blink
0/10 would not hunt Illidan with.
>>340811462
It makes sense though, they needed to shove valor into LFR this expansion despite no other raid difficulty getting it
and no other LFR pieces have been data mined. Rather than giving shitter mode back gear we should get dungeon sets
>>340811462
Blizzard already said that they would disable them if they were a problem, otherwise, whats the point?
>>340811557
Remember when she used to look like Batman?
God I remember actually believing that Warlords of Draenor was going to be the savior of WoW. I actually kept making those shill threads almost a year or two ago.
>>340811946
wod WAS the savior of wow but blizzard was too lazy to finish it http://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/1874264-A-collection-of-all-known-cut-delayed-content-in-Warlords-of-Draenor
seriously this is why pardo quitted after 3 months of development
>>340789631
I unironically loved this scene.
>>340812304
>first thing listed is the stupid city shit
stopped reading right there, anybody who still gives a fuck about the cities after we all afk in garrisons is a fucking retard
and cities arent content. They wouldnt change the fact that we have nothing to do all the fucking time
I don't know how I could ever get back into this game. I played the shit out of vanilla and BC and raided lots, played a bit of LK at the start but got super boring. Cataclysm raiding in firelands was okay before the raid finder introduction and huge difficulty nerfs but was still mostly forgettable. The continued need for blizz to cater to the lowest common denominator has made the game boring as all fuck.
>>340812574
I don't understand why you're bitching anon is a list about cut out content and that's why they put it in the list.
Refunded my preorder as soon as I saw the garrison rehash and all the arbitrary wait times
>>340812779
The Garrison Mission Table was not the problem with Garrisons. It was the fact that everything you ever needed was in the Garrison itself, and the table was merely a sympton of the lack of content.
If Warlords had actual to god relevant content, no one would've fucking batted an eye at the mission table appearing again in Legion.
>>340812983
mission table is still cancer.
UI shit takes away from actual gameplay, drag and drop minigame shouldnt yield any rewards and you should have no reason to play that garbage fucking minigame
why are people still shelling out money for a 10+ year old game
>>340783290
I have things to protect.
>>340813417
Then good news for you; the mission table itself cannot be done unless you actually go out and do things in the world, and a lot of the mission table crap is merely an unlocking of short quest chains, like the 5.2 Scenarios, or WoD's Garrison Campaigns.
Except without the arbitrary 'Oh hey senpai' nature of WoD's garrison campaign.
And the amount of reward you get from the mission table is absolutely negligible. Other than class hall missions and specific key missions, you can literally ignore the mission table altogether right now on beta.
>>340813670
and I still dont want to play the fucking minigame
>the reward you get is negligible
THERE SHOULD BE NONE. HOW IS THIS NOT CLEAR? MATCHING SYMBOLS IS SOMETHING A FUCKING 2 YEAR OLD CAN DO WHY DOES IT REWARD ANYTHING
>other than....
kys
>>340813782
Then don't fucking play it, problem fucking solved. It's not gonna be all expansion either, as it currently stands. And when I say negligible, it is GENUINELY ignorable. We're taking maybe 30g for a day long mission, when a World Quest that takes 20m, tops, can give upwards of 80g.
No one is literally holding a gun to your head and telling you do this shit.
Also, kys? Really? Because you don't like the argument the guy you're arguing with is using? The fuck is wrong with you, man.
>>340813670
You still have to do the minigame and wait through a ton of arbitrary wait times to progress through content, and the world content you have to do is as braindead as ever
I don't care about the facebook bullshit itself if it's optional, but it's absolutely mantadory and only shows what the remaining playerbase is really like.
>>340814264
>dont play it
nice effort to deflect all criticism blizztard
>>340814382
It's nowhere near as mandatory or as forced as the garrison mission table is/was.
>>340814483
Since when the fuck is telling people to not play a game they don't enjoy considered retarded or blizztarded or whatever fucking insult you use?
Do you play games you genuinely don't enjoy so you can bitch about it?
>>340814763
>since when is trying to deflect all criticism retarded
reddit pls
>>340783290
>buy it
>play it for 2 months
>get bored and unsub
>wait for new raids
>raid for 2 months
>get bored and unsub
>repeat till end game raids come out
>raid for 2 months
>quit because no content for a full year
>resub 3 months before next expac
>pvp till next expac comes out
>repeat
I going to quit entirely after legion is done.
>>340814763
Last time I saw, you absolutely had to do class hallisons because it was mandatory for your relic slot. What have they changed since then?
>>340784303
No. If any of these shills tell you legion is going to be better than WoD. They said the same exact thing about WoD to MoP. Hell even i said it back then. But its blizzard. More specifically the wow team, which is shit now. dont spoil what fond memories you have.
Name me a reason why I should give a shit about WoW and not just play FFXIV?
>>340815361
>They said the same exact thing about WoD to MoP.
mop was good
>ib4 le furry xd
stay mad faggot
Warden transmog when?
>>340783290
Yeah, they took Wrathion out.
The one fucker that actually may have turned out decently. Why did I think Blizzard could write someone who wasn't Green Jesus or Purple Demon Jesus.
>>340815180
You have to do the Class Hall mission table to unlock your third relic slot; after that, you can drop the mission table in it's entirety like it's old news.
In contrast to WoD, where you had to keep doing the mission table, even long after you were done because of the trashy raid cache missions and the literally insane amounts of gold they crammed onto the table.
Secondly, your picture has literally nothing to do with the mission table. It's a side thing; you find/acquire/get Order Hall resources doing world quests and all that, you come back and then dump those resources into a person who researches that (sad) excuse for a tech tree until the end.And honestly, I'm not even on beta so I can't entirely confirm if all of your class hall campaign stuff comes from the mission table.
>>340815653
I'm pretty sure they removed wrathion because normalfags think he is evil. Just like Garrosh.
>>340815653
What happened to Wrathion?
Did something happen to him after MoP?
>>340815812
Nothing since making the plan to send Garrosh to the past.
>>340815812
Thats the issue.
I don't think he even made an appearance in WoD
Only mention of him was some quest text I think.
>>340815812
In Spires of Arak, inside a chest at Admiral Taylor's Garrison is Admiral Taylor's Garrison log. The log reveals that Wrathion arrived at the garrison on the 12'th day of the expedition as a fugitive of the Alliance. He was welcomed as a "guest", but was to remain under house arrest and guard at the garrison. Shipments arrived at the garrison over the following days as gifts from Wrathion, which helped build an inn. At this time, Taylor asked the guards to maintain a constant watch on Wrathion, but they admitted that Wrathion had paid the guards to keep an eye on Taylor himself. Almost a month into the expedition, Taylor returned to the garrison after a week away to find the garrison in Chaos, Ephial in charge and Wrathion had disappeared, taking several followers with him.
In Chapter IV of the Legendary ring questline, just before the player confronts Cordana Felsong as part of the quest: Neutral 15 [100] Darkness Incarnateω ϖ , Wrathion can be seen briefly (in the form of a black whelp) outside of Khadgar's tower in Zangarra.
>>340815812
Wrathion made a gigantic deal in MoP about the impending invasion by the Burning Legion, and now that it's here, Wrathion is MiA
>>340816183
>Wrathion won't be appearing in Legion (blizzplanet)
Blizzard is done with him I guess.
>>340816318
I'm sure he'll appearas the penultimate boss of the final raid tier.
>>340816318
The interview said he isn't in the launch patch, MMOchamp is fucking stupid and misquoted.
>>340792349
You lost me when you didn't even defend Sunsong Ranch in MOP which are essentially Garrisons.
Fuck off.
>>340816318
'Lets write in a character that screams about the legion for a whole expansion. Lets also have him turn faggot prince into Prince Jesus-to-be. But when the expansion about the Legion shows up, lets just toss him into the trash because our idea for him to use Garrosh to create a giant army of alternate timeline orcs was dumb to start with." - Metzen
>>340815437
You shouldn't just continue playing FFXIV, Legion is just gonna suck entirely.
>>340815746
They've really lost me on this they could of easily made a chain of quests about going like this in the end game.
house (CATA) -> Farm (MOP) -> Garrison (WOD) -> class/guild hall (Legion).
Nothing was captialized as a result.
>>340815953
>Lets put Farmville in our game, but make it 10 times more redundant and un-enjoyable!
>>340796624
It's ok anon, I bought the game too. It's ok to be upset.
>>340797084
>Old Gods
Why? Old Gods aren't interesting. And it's shown quite clearly that Blizzard doesn't know how to handle them anymore. Their vocal taunting in BFD like fucking 12 year olds shows that they lack their mysterious nature.
They should have stayed as really alien things, never brought into the spotlight.
>>340817909
Nothing to be upset about at all. I like this game.
>>340809960
>>340810231 is correct but also vanilla had so much spell bloat that it was insane
Playing a warlock in vanilla was retarded because you had like a million spells and only a few of them were ever useful.
Then you had burning crusade as warlock where the only spell worth casting was shadowbolt and curse of doom (or elements/weakness because you were on curse-bitch duty)
They absolutely did go full-retard with how few abilities havoc demon hunters have, but some other classes aren't too bad.
Really a lot of the pruning was getting rid of situational spells and utility and putting them in the pvp tree for each class. Kind of shitty not being able to use them outside of it, but I do like the fact that each specialization has a more unique theme.
>>340810492
>With WoD they would have been on an okay-ish level - IF they actually added stuff on top with legion
What are you even trying to say? With Warlords, for most classes, the game has had as many spells as it has ever had.
As far as the classes I play go, they all used more abilities to deal damage than I had in earlier expansions.
Unless you're implying the game has never had enough abilities to satisfy your autism, Legion is really the first time they actually pruned this many abilities.
>>340818667
>a lot of pruning was getting rid of situational spells and utility
which differentiates good and bad players and goes far to create a class fantasy blizzard keeps talking about
>warlords, for most classes, the game has had as many spells as it has ever had
objectively not true, nearly everything added in Warlords was passive and stuff was removed.
On my warlock I lost my curses and fel flame, on my warrior I lost my banners, I lost heroic strike and csmash in fury, on my mage I lost alter time and PoM became a talent. And I got fucking NOTHING in return.
how is this not fewer spells than before? Kill yourself
>>340783290
FFXIV is better.
>>340819618
I said in earlier expansions you faggot, not all of them. Some expansions had more abilities for classes, some had less.
Mists of Pandaria probably had the most for each class on average, but in classic, BC, wotlk, the things nostalgia-faggots constantly talk about, they did not have more spells being actively useful. A significant chunk of spells on your action bar were useless for whatever talent spec you chose.
Mists and Warlords were about the right level of spells and utility actually being useful. It would've been better in Legion if they focused on the differentiation that they did and had less utility pruning but whatever, as long as there's plenty of core rotation that is interesting for the classes I play then I'll play them, and just avoid shit like Havoc demon hunter.
>>340820797
>mists and warlords were about the right level of spells and utility
yea 1 whole utility per class lmao so great
neck yourself lad
>>340783290
>Honestly, I can't find a good reason to buy this. Can you?
Fixed that for you, friend.
