When did homosexual romances become so important to video games?
it's a side effect of the general demoralisation of western culture.
when the western world decided minorities were easy tools for marketing
because there was a whole like 20 years of only hetero shit in video games
yeah they're laying it on thick and plenty of the time it comes off disingenuous but it is actually a big deal for people to be represented in the games they play
/v/ only cares about it because they're dickheads not because they're worried about minorities being used for marketing
Of all things on Earth, fucking Planet Stronghold got a sequel?
>>340747428
When the 80s and early 90s gamers became too old to relate to the angsty teenager/20something male protagonist. Combine that with all the MMOs that let you choose a female character and games that feature a woman as the main character.
That opened the door for the lesbian characters as a male fetish (besides the inclusion of lesbian scenes in straight porno for decades), and the gay male equivalent piggybacked on it for gender equality.
>>340747428
>When did homosexual romances become so important to video games?
Never did. Still isn't. Only sjw push it like crazy but then they don't even buy games. So it's irrelevant. Only suckers like EA and Activation fell for the sjw homo meme.
>>340747428
>beautiful hand painted art
It looks like shit.
That robot looks hilarious.
>>340747428
Because it triggers people like you into generating free publicity for shit indie games.
The cure is simply to ignore it but you have zero self control and play into their hands every time.
>>340747428
More importantly - when did romance at all become so fucking important? Do they really need to shoe horn that shit into every fucking title under the sun?
>>340747428
Why did romance in general become so important in video games?
I mean, Mass Effect added a few romances, and about six years later, if you go to the Bioware forums it's nothing but
>I want a fuckable robot
>I want a fuckable gay robot
>I want to fuck a space mermaid
>I want to fuck a space mermaid with human legs and a fish head
>I want a hairy bear-like alien that I can fuck
>I want to fuck a hanar
>I want to fuck multiple hanar in a polyamorous relationship in which Blasto and his friends probe my every holes with their tendrils
>I want trans romances
>Are there going to be more significant gun modifications?
>I want more romances between black males
>I want more gender options for my character
>Fallout 4 had polyamory, why can't Mass Effect?
>I want a Garrus to come back as a robot and I want robo-Garrus to impregnate me with his nano-seed
>>340747428
>they should make their own games if they want gay sex
>WAIT, WHY ARE THEY MAKING THEIR OWN GAMES WITH GAY SEX.
>HELP REEEEEEEEEEEEEEE. REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE. HELP.
Can I fuck the robot?
lmao, of all the things like boring gameplay and shit art, you decide to hate on the romances?
>>340749324
You can fall in love.
>>340748409
this
>>340749134
a universal constant is that sex sells.
>>340748218
>Colonial Defense
>on Earth
>>340747428
Ever since gaming jurnos want to be seen as entitled and the avant-guarde of gaming, but they literally are people that can only think of themselves and how to be "kewl" on the internet.
>>340747428
They got you to post a thread about this unremarkable literal who game to 4chan, didn't they?
>>340747428
Do you seriously NOT want them to warn you about it so you get slapped in the face with a cock unexpectedly?
Be grateful it's labeled.
>>340747428
When hetshit became fucking boring.
>>340747428
Western games are so reggresive desu. Japans has always been much more progressive than those fucks from America.
Name one western game where you can romance a loli character. Pro-tip: you can't. Western games are too scared to do anything controversial and prefere to continue the status quo of shitty games with no substance.
>>340749134
>Do they really need to shoe horn that shit into every fucking title under the sun?
>One major company puts romance options in their mainstream game releases and nobody else does
>EVERY FUCKING GAME IS RUINED
>>340747428
In visual novels? Since always.
>>340751193
>Name one western game where you can romance a loli character.
Got you right here.
>>340747428
Because people actually get killed by extremists.
>>340749274
That's not 'in video games' though that's 'in Bioware'
Lonely women found a game company that would cater to them, so they're piling in there with "CAN WE HAVE DLC WHERE CULLEN AND MY QUIZZIE HAVE FIVE BABIES?"
>>340751424
Adding in romance was a mistake. I liked it when it was somewhat a hidden novelty in Baldur's gate games, but then as time went on it became more and more of an expected feature, and attracted an awful audience.
>>340751291
Damnit anon. Not again, now I have a hard-on.Too bad this VN seems to have a timeskip.
>>340747428
>implying homo romance is widespread
You guys realise that 99% of games with romance sub plots are exclusively hetero right?
Having a handful of homo sub plots isn't going to ruin games.
>>340751193
Lavinia in A Little Lily Princess?
>>340751424
Bethesda too has added romance mechanics. And people are going nuts about it.
>>340751754
DON'T YOU UNDERSTAND??? EVEN THE SLIGHTEST BIT OF DEVIATION FROM THE CISGENDER HETEROSEXUAL CHRISTIAN ARYAN RIGHT-WING FUNDAMENTALIST MINDSET IS FUCKING SJW COMMIE LIBKEK TYRANNY AND IS KILLING ALL VIDEOGAMES!
>>340751291
Fair enough, though that's a VN but I guess that still counts.
>>340751767
You sure that's the right girl? I looked for her infos and she doesn't look like a little girl.
>>340751601
What if the romances were DLC content only? Would that make a difference for you?
>>340748008
>but it is actually a big deal for people to be represented in the games they play
lol why
>>340752284
Lavinia's not a loli unless by loli we mean "under 18" in which case everyone but Mariette counts.
Lottie is a traditional loli but she's not romanceable, it's a friends path.
>>340747428
When I bought a Yuri VN
>>340752428
Eh. It makes some people happy and some teenagers less suicidal, supposedly, though it's hard to do a good solid scientific study on that
>>340752474
>>340751975
To be fair, OP literally said "when did homosexual romances become so important to video games"
He didn't say any of that strawman nonsense you spouted. Does he believe it? Maybe.
But the example he posted is a collectible card game. I think there's some merit to the question about whether or not a collectible card game needs romance options at all, and whether the inclusion of homosexual romances is intrinsically important to the game or symptomatic of a move toward demographic pandering in the medium.
I don't really care.
>>340752631
>But the example he posted is a collectible card game.
Not really. It's a game by a visual novel developer who was trying to explore different added-gameplay mechanics. Look at the rest of the things he's developed, it's basically 100% dating sims.
So this isn't a case of shoving romance into a game, it's shoving a game into romance.
>>340747428
Wouldnt be a big deal if there wasnt controversy over desu
>>340748008
>but it is actually a big deal for people to be represented in the games they play
This must be a recent thing. Used to be you could play as a fat Italian plumber or a hedgehog or a fucking earthworm in a spacesuit and not get triggered by underrepresentation. At what point did videogames stop being about escapism and start being about social agendas?
>>340747428
>When did homosexual romances become so important to video games?
It's a winter wolves game
Most of their customers are female so it is a selling point for them
>>340751975
Romance in games has never been done well. Straight or gay. That said, people who get butthurt over fags in games are fucking hilarious.
>>340747761
Really though? If they're truly minorities then they're a smaller group to seek profit from right? The most generous stat I've seen for gay men in America is around 5% of men
>>340752431
Yeh that makes senses as Hanako Games is against loli after all and they made the game apparently. Sounds like a terrible game.I fucking hate when VN put lolis who seem like they might be romanceable but they're not actually romanceable. Fuck that shit.
>>340753007
Yeah, used to be you could be a male character or a male character or a male character.
Can't imagine why anyone would be interested in escapist imagining of anything else.
>>340753263
Lol. Hanako isn't against loli, Hanako is against being sued. You should see the shit she used to post on hentai boards.
>>340747428
When faggots started playing them. E.g. you.
I'm still waiting for one of those gay furry visual novels to finally hit steam from Japan.
I wanna fuck that giant judo tiger.
>>340747428
The annoying part is that only rarely do they have male x male romances that have any effort or care. Oftentimes it'll just be your stereotypical gay guy and two actual lesbians romances with effort behind them. It sucks.
>>340752392
I don't object to anything else they say, but the best songs in that entire series are the Imperial March, which is explicitly the villains' leitmotif, and Duel of the Fates, which is in practice a Sith theme. Sorry, but when it comes to Star Wars, the bad guys have better music.
>>340753653
Giant judo bear is where it's at, brah.
>>340752392
hwat
>>340747428
/v/ is filled with faggots so it makes sense.
>>340753653
There's a lot of furry work coming out of Russia lately isn't there?
Because gay people exist
That's like saying why does a game have characters with glasses
>>340753508
Hanako harassed people asking for h-patch for Little Witch Romanesque, telling them to stop asking for it. She's a dumb bitchy SJW.
>>340753007
Under-representation doesn't matter in simple cutesy platformers, where only the core gameplay, aesthetic and level design, in which you give zero fucks about the plot.
It does matter in plot heavy titles where having relatable characters decides whether you even care about what's happening in the game or not.
>At what point did videogames stop being about escapism and start being about social agendas?
Video games have pretty much always been about a plethora of different things, they were primarily about competition andfunlong before escapism. Political agendas are a part of every medium, including video games.
>>340750541
>Reading Comprehension
First visual novels already featured yuri sex...
It took the West, what, 25 years to catch up?
>>340747428
As a gay dude, I would not romance any of those fugly dudes. Why is the art so awful? Reminds me of that moon over june shit.
>>340753827
Are you high? Hanako BOUGHT the h version and posted about how great it was.
>>340753809
lol faggot
>>340753809
How many games announce
>including characters with glasses
as a selling point?
>>340747428
> card game
> western art
Of course
>>340753659
Best example of this is Bioware, who can't write a gay male to save their fucking life
They just make everyone bi and replace some pronouns and be done with it, and the rare times they do write a gay character he either isn't interesting at all (that guy from mass effect) or he's trying to burn your house down with all the flame (Dorian)
Fucking bioware!
>>340747428
When homos became a different kind of scapegoat.
It used to be that homos were blamed for the degradation of family values and whatnot but now it's all about saving the homos and giving us attention to distract from the real serious issues affecting our country.
>>340748218
That's exactly what i thought
>>340753984
Proof? Also waiting for proof of her supposedly drawing loli.
>>340754030
Games aimed at otome fangirls who are really into meganes.
>>340753856
*where only the core gameplay, aesthetic and level design actually matter, and you give zero fucks about the plot.
Sorry for the typo, I'm tired as fuck.
>>340754137
>he's trying to burn your house down with all the flame
> implying Dorian wasn't a great romance
His character arc was predictable as fuck, but the romance itself was one of the best ones. The real problem was that the writers clearly shipped him with Bull, and his DLC romance with the inquisitor suffers as a result.
>>340754157
Provide one example, just one, of a game proudly announcing that it features characters with glasses. Either that or admit your analogy was stupid.
>>340754152
I'm not dedicated enough to trawl through years of twitter and tumblr posts to find where she was advertising the game when it first came out but if you read that blog post that fuwanovel got all bent out of shape about, it includes her stating that she bought and enjoyed the 18+ version but didn't think an "all ages" release was a good idea.
>>340748218
>>340754149
Fucking same. How? HOW?!
>>340749274
The reason why is there are absolutely NO video games that have ever halfway decent romance simulations besides Bioware games. (Titty monster, flat 1-dimensional weeb games that are cheaply made don't count).
It's clearly a very desired genre of game that isn't being made by anyone besides Bioware. If you want to have an immersive experience of flirting with a character, going on dates and eventually your character falling in love with them, they're you're only option. Personally I really enjoy the romance aspect of their games a lot, probably because it's something that I can only get from their games, and the same reason people make such a big deal on how good the romances will be in upcoming games. I still remember all the speculation and shitposting before Inquistion came out trying to figure out who out of the cast was going to be romanceable. It's very obviously something people really want and the industry would be better off for both developers and players if more devs made good romance-focused games.
I just want to see my husbandos beg to being fucked
>>340753856
>I can only relate to people of my race creed and sexuality
What. I'm always startled when people think like this because it seems like a guaranteed way to ensure you can't possibly enjoy like 70% of stuff in any medium.
>in a few years the word "straight" will be considered derogatory since it implies gay people are not normal
>a transgender man that has sex with another man will not be considered homosexual since he identifies as female
>the word transgender will be phased out since it implies the person was ever the opposite gender that he/she identifies with
>the laws will change to increase punishment against people that are violent towards transgender individuals and will be considered a hate crime regardless of why you attacked
>you will be considered a bigot if you deny a transgender that attempts to flirt with you
>>340754369
His character arc with female PCs was kind of weird, though. "I'm completely gay, so I'm going to MASSIVELY hit on you and tell you how much I care about you and that you're the one person I'd most want at my side, and never mention the little snag."
>you are born gay!
>Like sexual preferences don't fluctuate
>People are "proud" to be gay
>Proud to be something they are apparently born with that they have no control over
Pop culture survives and persists by devouring subcultures and killing them.
Video games are currently being devoured. Casuals and hipsters enjoy identity politics and getting fucked in the ass.
hence all the gay
>>340754369
He's a fun romance but it's a bummer that his main defining trait is "very gay". And yeah the bit about him and Iron Bull is true.
This is a long way of saying that Bioware can't write for shit
>>340754465
What about the art she supposedly drew?
Also doesn't change the fact her game is shit for not letting romance the loli.
>>340747428
is that a moaning submissive bottom robot?
>>340754587
>>the word transgender will be phased out since it implies the person was ever the opposite gender that he/she identifies with
Except trans people pride themselves on having transitioned. This is why they push the term so hard.
>>340754546
Well, if it's silly for them to complain that they can't relate to a white guy, surely it's just as silly for you to complain that you can't relate to a black girl.
It's stupid to refuse to play a game just because the protagonist isn't you, but it can be annoying if characters like you NEVER exist.
>>340754429
Characters with glasses haven't been vilified or outright refused existence in pretty much all forms of media for the past forever. That is the difference. Although neither will inherit the kingdom of Heaven.
>>340751193
>being a literal pedophile
>>340754816
Then >>340753809
was a stupid post after all
>>340754901
She's 100+.
>>340754901
But Anon, lolis are the perfect women! They don't have any disgusting body hair or smells, they aren't old enough to play mind games or try to take control of your life, and nobody else has had a chance to use them yet leaving you the opportunity to decide how slutty you wanna make them. Then when they get to reproductive age, you know your kids are yours.
>>340754429
They generally do so by posting pictures of the love interests front and center so you can SEE that there's a megane. Beyond that, it'll be the fangirls asking each other if one is there.
>>340755127
>and nobody else has had a chance to use them yet
But if you're a pedo you have to imagine that other pedos might have gotten there first
like those guys that used to rape babies to cure aids
>>340754816
pink flamingo game when?
>>340754546
I'm not saying that you can't relate to someone who is different to you, but it's definitely easier to relate to someone of the same orientation/race. It doesn't matter much for white hetero people because almost every character ever is a white hetero, but for everyone else it's kind of nice (but not mandatory for enjoyment) to see someone of the same orientation/race, and it doesn't deduct from the experience of any level headed white hetero.
>>340747428
>/v/ - politics
Why would a card game have romance?
>Homosex
>New
I knew America is slow, but not this slow. There are literally hundreds of homo VNs and games, so it's fucking nothing and nothing on that picture is attractive
>>340755360
Because it's a dating sim with a card game jammed into it to padd out the playtime
>>340754587
>LGBT people have more rights now!
>this must mean they took away my rights!
Geez, who taught UKIP how to write?
>>340755360
Strip poker
>>340755276
Female Trouble would also make a rad game.
>>340754619
To me his attitude makes sense until about his loyalty mission - Dorian has has a total of 2 real friends, one of which dies in the course of the game, and he clearly gets an ego boost from being a flirt.
Most characters suffer from not having a good "just friends" plot though, not just Dorian.
>>340754667
I think Bioware got lucky with Dorian having such an amazing VA, it made the faults in the writing less jarring.
>>340755458
>implying Ukip are homophobic
>>340752392
>look up wendig
>beard
>glasses
>balding
>celebrates white people being put as the villain in everything
I thought nu-male was a meme.
>>340754634
You'd be surprised how many bisexual women consider themselves lesbians. Christine Love, the creator of Analogue: A Hate Story, is a prime example of this.
>>340753007
i don't see why including same sex romance necessarily negates video games as escapism either. If you're a guy who likes guys and are playing a game focused on romance, you probably still want to date a guy in game. It's also about providing options so people can best enjoy games.
>>340755586
Even memes have a basis in reality. Were reality not a flawed and broken place, we would have no memes.
>>340755565
Ukip are everything-phobic, they're probably afraid of small dogs too
>>340752392
>media, education and academia are all overwhelmingly leftist and liberal
>scream down anyone who disagrees with them
>they still think they're the bad ass rebels despite being dull and mainstream
Libcucks don't even know what's coming. They don't realize they aren't cool any more. Liberals are the most boring people on Earth, they never have anything interesting to say. They're just background noise at this point.
People want brownie points on social media.
>>340747428
>there are no cute fembois
Who cares? I'm not gonna buy it, you're not gonna buy it.
>>340754816
People with glasses were seen almost the same as crippled people in the past.
George Washington didn't wear glasses in public until he 'had to' wear in in front of his soldier to demonstrate the commitment and 'sacrifice' he had to make, which make the disgruntled soldiers cry since he had to reveal his 'weakness'.
>>340755841
There's no cute anything, the art in that game is awful
>>340754429
Glasses boys are so fucking common in otome games. Literally the Sasuke or the scheming sociopath of the female harem
>>340747428
when you know you've got a turd and need to add something to the description to make it sound better.
>>340755360
worked for yugioh
>>340755627
CLove bothers me. I'm not anyone to tell others what their sexuality is, but she clearly finds men attractive (and not even in a a "lesbians watch gay porn" way) yet she has this high and mighty attitude about lesbians.
>>340747428
Yaoi and yuri have been tags for years, anon.
>>340755870
And as we became less retarded over time, we saw how stupid that was. We also discovered how not to wear powdered wigs and not die at 25. But there is still a great deal of difference between the two, given the... severity of individuals, and in certain cases, societal and even governmental reaction to same sex relations. Therefore, it stands to argue that announcing that your game has fags in it is a little less ridiculous, taking into account the history the ideology comes from, then announcing your game has a character with glasses in it. It's still just a marketing ploy and romance in games is shit.
It is important for dating sims because queer people exist and your dating game should probably include everyone. I can see why it's a bullet point for this game, because it's still not guaranteed dating sims will include any non-het romances.
>>340747428
Why does it bother your booty so much
Let the fags have their husbandos/waifus too
>>340747428
When did romances become important to video games ? You are pathetic girls if you think games should have them. Go fuck yourself.
>>340756513
>But there is still a great deal of difference between the two, given the... severity of individuals, and in certain cases, societal and even governmental reaction to same sex relations.
This is also entirely dependent on time and place.
> be a spartan
> can fuck men as long as I get married and have children at some point
> can't have a physical deformitity or I will be thrown off a cliff
>>340753157
>>340754518
>complains about romance in games being low quality
>refuses to play VNs that specifically focus on that aspect, calling them weeb shit or non-games.
You guys sound as ridiculous as someone refusing to use their keys to open a door and trying instead a banana. 'Dammit, why fruit vendors don't make decent keys?'
>>340756672
but i am a pathetic girl
and I fuck myself while romancing my husbandos
i'm glad i have your approval
>>340755959
Why is he eating his tie?
Is this how gay men have sex?Have I been doing it wrong all this time?
>>340756956
How else do you strangle someone while also pinning their wrists?
>>340756563
>wanting everything to include everyone
>not wanting some games to be exclusive to one or the other to the benefit of the writing and fleshing out of the paths
I mean fine if you want everything to be saints row 4 levels of shallow romance but seriously, making everything to please everyone is a fucking terrible design model.
>>340747428
lmao get more angry, bigot
>>340747428
When you could make MAD BUX pandering to a very small minority that has been hijackedand soon to be abandoned for something elseby Progressiveness and the Left
>>340757138
>making everything to please everyone is a fucking terrible design model
It would be if everyone were doing it. Bioware certainly isn't perfect but they manage to make their romance routes a good bit more interesting than the SR4 'romances'. Although it's fun to have that sort of thing sometimes too!
Honestly I want variety in games. I'm glad a few people are making ludicrous gay-only games that I have no intention of playing, so that people who want that can have it.
>>340747428
When people started saying they wanted it.
>I don't like it so it shouldn't be in the game
You're an idiot, if people are asking for lgbt shit in games, why wouldn't they put them in? Few people are going to complain so it only makes sense from a money making or marketing aspect.
>>340747428
this is fucking pathetic. I wish I could see stats for a game like Mass Effect where male players who played a male shepard character made him have a gay relationship. I'm betting its a very very very small percentage. I'm excluding lesbian female shepard because guys will do shit like that because they think lesbians in any media are hot, but guys aren't likely to make a gay male shepard for any reason other than they themselves are gay.
>>340756724
One or two examples, when related to the whole, is the exception as opposed to the rule. Still, I would like to see the trend of homo-pandering go the way of the unicorn. It would be best if these characters were more then just marks on a "progressive" checklist for the purpose of acquiring shekels.
>>340757545
> What are fujos.
>>340757561
It's a business. Everything they do is for the purpose of acquiring shekels. The gameplay is also pandering.
>>340757414
>implying SR4 wasn't basically taking the piss out of bioware
They just cut down the number of conversations you had to have before you fuck the character. Other than that they were very similar.
>>340757717
Don't be silly. Women don't play games. They don't even know how to use computers.
>>340747761
White people feel that they need to carry the weight of minorities on their shoulders so when they see games do this they freely advertise the game for being an achievement. Additionally it makes easy controversy for the likes of places like /v/ to make threads about shitty games they wouldn't have looked at otherwise if it didn't have a homosexual relationship to hate on it.
>>340757726
But if the gameplay isn't good, the game won't sell. Unfortunately, gay people are even more easily marketed to then the blacks. Slap a rainbow or bear on it, and a few more zeros, and you're good to go. Doesn't matter if it's shit.
>>340754686
Do you really want to see it? It's not really good.
The one I could point to is Yuri No Yume, which she released under another name. It's hard for me to be 100% sure it's supposed to be loli because her style is a bit weird. Search for that and Hentai Senshi.
>>340758194
You're contradicting yourself there bro
>>340747428
So neo-/v/ would give it free marketing.
>>340757753
SR4 had some really funny moments.
> Kinzie punches the player
> Matt wants to be called NyteBlade
>>340757817
No, Thank You begs to differ. It sold quite well for a yaoi game.
Read the guy on the right's shirt.
>>340758519
Mangagamer only licensed No Thank You because it was popular with fags on 4chan rather than women
>>340754518
>>340756823
Weeb games don't count because I'm gay and 98% of those games are made for straight guys featuring a full cast of titty monster anime tropes to cater to different fetishes. Also I'm not attracted to 2D males.
So no, they don't count.
>>340758728
>not attracted to 2D
You need to go back.
>>340758717
I thought it was because fujos started to massively post on their forums requesting yaoi games all of a sudden. I still have no idea what caused that.
>>340758356
Not really. If were were judging a game by its gameplay alone, and it sucked, it wouldn't sell. But take that same game and advertise it through a progressive lens, prepare for imminent cash flow. My point being that gameplay is something that has to be imagined, crafted and implemented well in order to be successful. Pandering isn't the same. Not to say that gays in games is bad or could never be well implemented. But if we are honest with ourselves we know that isn't the case currently.
>>340758728
>not attracted to 2D males.
>in a medium that are literally 2D fiction
I think you need either kill yourself or go back facebook
>>340759072
I don't recall there being a massive influx, though it's hard to be sure since they took their forums down and are handwaving excuses about why they haven't brought them back. There were always a small number of regulars on the forums who were into otome and BL and kept asking for MG to license some, and occasionally in the licensing surveys people whose fetishes weren't being met would organise and flood in to request something. It was yuri that got a huge flood of posts as far as I remember.
I think with NTY one of the MG staff members really wanted to do it, and she hangs out on /blog/ on /vg/ and they were all into it too.
>>340759093
The game in the OP still bombed, so trying to sound progressive didn't help it be successful.
>>340759093
Companies want to make money. They will try to tune all the different elements of their products to attract customers.
Now, it's not true that taking a shit game and slapping a progressive label on it means instant cash flow. Many counterexamples exist but you may not know much about them since they were failures and thus didn't get talked about as much.
However, a game that's mediocre gameplay-wise but performs really strongly in some other department, like story or graphics or hot gay lovin or huge jiggly tits, may turn out quite well.
There is a problem with gay characters in videogames. Also in television and film, but not quite as bad.
People will often claim to have absolutely no problem whatsoever with gay people. They say this to make sure that they cannot be called a homophobe or be criticised in any way when they make their next point.
Then they basically say they don't want gay characters in their games.
Then the excuses come out.
>it's not important
So why does it bother you?
>I don't care about any of the relationships in my games, I just want games!
A little autistic, but okay. I can agree with that, games should be games. However, if a story-driven game like an RPG has a gay character in it, why does that irk you?
>it's just pandering to the LGBT crowd
This isn't fair. You can always just call it pandering and keep gay characters out of fiction forever that way. You can't tell me you don't have a problem with homosexuals if you want to pretend they don't exist.
>I'm okay with gay characters as long as it never gets mentioned
Well then you're not REALLY okay with gay characters, are you?
>the gay characters are always written really badly!
That's the secret, Anon.All videogame characters are written badly.
If your cocky male teammate jokes about having slept with 5 women the night before, you wouldn't think twice. If your cocky male teammate jokes about having slept with 5 men the night before, you're irked by that. Why?
>>340748218
>>340754149
>>340754487
If Watch Dogs can get a sequel, anything can.
>>340759345
There was at least a moderate influx at which the their mods had to tell the regulars to quit trying to scare them off. They turned yaoi and otome game requests into their own thread after that to keep the regulars and them separate.
>>340758728
But that is a totally different thing than what you said before:
>there are absolutely NO video games that have ever halfway decent romance simulations
In general, there are some good romance simulator out there. However, if you are that specific (gay, and non 2D), then you are right, there is certainly not that much.
Video games are becoming easier and easier for any random person to make and thus are more accessible than ever. Vidya is more mainstream so more people enjoy it/are into it. There are people who like being able to fuck the characters they want to fuck in video games, and they made their voices heard. I don't know about you, but I like romance in video games, and being able to have more sex options is nice. Also romance if someone's more interested in the romantic side of things.
Have you considered the possibility that not everything is aimed at you specifically?
>>340753007
Mario and Sonic are games that have no story. Not comparable.
>>340752428
Some people like being able to do things that are relevant to their interests.
In the 90s, both guys and girls liked confident female characters and other "SJW shit"
During the 00s, after 9/11, all media got more conservative. It wasn't commented on, because it happened naturally. I'm sure you all noticed that media in the 00s really wasn't nearly as FUN as it was in the 90s or 80s. And also, during that time the news was always so serious that nobody would think of making as issue out of the portrayal of characters in fucking videogames of all things. But now things are calm again and people are ready for less conservative media again.
Problem is nowadays there's a whole lot of young people who literally grew up in the conservative years and never experienced those fun decades, and to them, this rise of "the liberal menace" is a threat, something scary and new, something that will ruin all "their" games, TV shows, and movies. The majority of active anti-SJWs are actually under 20.
Don't forget, there are people on 4chan who genuinely seem to think that there was no media ever made that appealed to liberals before tumblr showed up. How they'd react to older Star Trek episodes, I'd love to know.
>>340759802
>Some people like being able to do things that are relevant to their interests.
That's why we need more games where we can date lolis.
>>340759613
>All video game characters are written badly
Play more video games
I agree with you otherwise though
>>340759943
Kirk and Spock were both agents of the jewish conspiracy
>>340759962
I agree with this notion. Lolis>all
>>340759613
Then why is it a selling point in the OP?
It's because it's a shit game and only the LGBT crowd would fall for such a tactic.
And despite accepting that people are gay, they're still the minority and shouldn't shoehorn their unorthodox choices down my throat.
>>340760173
>Then why is it a selling point in the OP?
Because some people want to know if a game has gay in it or not before buying it.
Do you prefer surprise gay?
>>340759943
>The majority of active anti-SJWs are actually under 20.
That's strange since I keep seeing comments about how oversensitive youths are these days.
Back in the day, liberals were actually against conservative agendas, now they seem to coincide at certain points. Nowadays liberals are starting to become regressive, because they find certain content offensive.
>>340760402
It's all a matter of which liberals and which conservatives. Some conservatives are in favor of freedom full stop. Some liberals cling to their own personal religion. The parties shift and wobble over the years.
>>340760373
I prefer something well written. You name me a good game with a gay man in it that has phenominal writting.
>>340760173
I was with you until that last part. How is a few games having gay people being shoved down your throat? You do realize that all other forms of media have catered directly to you? Them existing isn't the problem.
>>340760173
Why can't it be a selling point?
Tits are a selling point for Senran Kagura games. What's the problem?
Your question doesn't even counter any of the points made by the post you're replying to. You're just another mad faggot.
>>340760402
It was Al Gore's wife back in the 80s and 90s who was frantically trying to censor music. There's always been this strain of repression running within supposed liberalism. Sometimes it's because they're trying to pander to what they think the other side wants, to reach agreement. Sometimes it's because people's beliefs don't neatly align with just one philosophy. Most people are hypocrites, at least a litttle.
>>340760651
You name me a GAME that you think has phenomenal writing and I guarantee that there's a bunch of people on /v/ who will vehemently disagree with you. That's sucker bait.
>>340760121
Silly anon, they were agents of the gay agenda.
>>340760651Witcher 3
>>340747428
its called fujoshit
>>340760173
Look, don't buy it. It is not for you, nor for me. We are reaching SJW levels of ridiculousness here, complaining about others not making the games we want. Simply don't fucking buy it! That's how market works: if people throws money at it, expect more. If not, it will remain minoritary or die on its own.
And the good thing about giving that kind information ahead (yo, prospect clients: gay romance here) is that you attract the attention of the people who are interested in that, and warn those who are not to not spend their money there.
>>340761116
>>340760715
Them existing isn't, but when magazines and people who call themselves 'journalists' go out of their way to advertise the product because it's "so progressive" , then there's a fucking issue.
>>340760774
>Tits are a selling point for Senran Kagura games. What's the problem?
Why are you saying that like I think they're good games? They're just as shitty because they rely soley on sex appeal.
>>340760912
Because you can't. You can't pander to a singke group and make a good game. It's never been done.
>>340754587
War will break out before that happens.
>>340759802
Wew lad that pretty good bait
>>340760402
Actually, the majority of vocal idiots on both sides are under 20. Older people usually have a more moderate posture, or more important things to care about.
>>340761382
>Them existing isn't, but when magazines and people who call themselves 'journalists' go out of their way to advertise the product because it's "so progressive" , then there's a fucking issue.
Depends entirely on the quality of the product or the issue being reported on. It sounds like you just don't like gay people.
>>340761382
The existence of a single gay man in a game means that it is pandering to a single group, and conversely having no gay men in a game means that it pandering to MORE groups?
My problem with homose in games is that it's always big burly men with crew cuts and tattoos and shit.
Where are the shota options? Japan is as bad as the west with it's failure to pander.
>>340759943
the fun decades for me were the 80s with machoism movies where white guys on steriods killed third world terrorists and never stop to ask why they became terrorists in the first place and get the woman because she's (mostly) helpless. so yeah there was a time of fun that din't involve confident females or sjws
>>340753230
Virtue signaling. Libshits use minorities as social tokens to indicate holiness.
Remember, there is nothing more corrupt than a man who wants to be holy and for whom the definition of holiness is osomotied from their social milieu.
>>340760173
>all games have to appeal to me
>>340761461
Its not bait
>>340761382
That's not the point; he's pointing out Senran Kagura because its a game that sells itself in part on its sex appeal, and that this is fine. Its perfectly acceptable for Senran Kagura to do that; the people who like that sort of thing buy it. You think its shit, so you don't buy it. Everyone wins. The same applies here.
>>340761636
> the 80s
so you preferred gays over women? That's alright.
>>340761564
>always big burly men
Really? They seem pretty rare to me. There are a few bara games/characters but pretty boys are more common.
Not much japanese yaoi games get translated but there's always Enzai if you want some young skinny prison rape.
>>340761563
How does something not being in a game pander to anyone?
VN's have no gameplay, do they pander to the most groups of all?
>>340761564
When will we see a translation of the Boku no Pico game?
>>340761564
>Complaining about bara pandering.
>liking shota.
>Games must be changed because some people don't identify with straight white males or asexual animals! Think of the poor people who are unable to play something that they identify as!
>Some people don't identify with homosexuals, minorities, women, or transsexuals? Fucking unacceptable! Those people don't deserve to play games!
I don't mind any sort of protagonist in videogames as long as they aren't painfully over-marketed. Minority, female, homosexual, transsexual protagonists are alright and can have unique stories. But the hypocrisy surrounding it all is just stunning and makes it often unpalatable to me and I assume many others. Especially when people in support of it shit on artistic liberties for the sake of their agenda but then cry to defend artistic liberties when they want to support their agenda. I've been reading novels, playing games, watching film, etc. for over 30 years and never felt like this was really an issue until very recently. If you want people to accept something, the last thing you want to do is shove it down their throats and insult them.
>>340761971
>How does something not being in a game pander to anyone?
I was being confused at his logic. He was stating that it was impossible for there to ever be a good game with a gay man in it because no game that panders to a single group can ever be good.
>>340761741
nothing gay about this my friend
>>340762092
>Especially when people in support of it shit on artistic liberties for the sake of their agenda but then cry to defend artistic liberties when they want to support their agenda.
How dare you argue in favor of inserting gay characters into the creator's precious story? That's damaging ARTISTIC PURITY!
How dare you remove the H-Scenes that were shoved into the creator's story against his desire just to sell more copies, weren't even written by the main writer, and the main writer actively dislikes? MY desire for sex is more important!
>>340762092
>>Some people don't identify with homosexuals, minorities, women, or transsexuals? Fucking unacceptable! Those people don't deserve to play games!
Who are you quoting?
Oh right, absolutely nobody. It's that voice that exists in the head of every retard who thinks the world is out to get them.
Drop the victim complex you absolute fucking moron.
A game is coming out with a gay romance option and this faggot here thinks straight people are being led to the concentration camps. Remember when SJWs were the ones who overreacted? /v/ is a fucking embarrassment these days.
>>340762342
>How dare you remove the H-Scenes that were shoved into the creator's story against his desire just to sell more copies, weren't even written by the main writer, and the main writer actively dislikes? MY desire for sex is more important!
Said nobody ever.
>>340762157
> movies about sweaty burly men killing other sweaty burly men
>>340762393
It's like you didn't read the entire post or something. Fascinating! I won't spoonfeed you though. You have to do all of the work yourself!
>>340761894
>>340762059
Sorry, I wasn't talking about bara, we just have different levels of muscular acceptance. To me big and burly is shit like Mass Effect and God of War, I'm sure that's small by your accounts though. I'm not talking shit about bara. I know few games with Bara characters, so I'd imagine you're in a similar boat as me.
I used "big and burly" too loosely, I apologize.
>>340762481
>But removing H scenes is censorship and I want the full experience.
Said a shit ton of people on Steam forums.
>>340762481
> nobody ever
lmao, you're not familiar with vns then.
>>340762342
>How dare you remove the H-Scenes that were shoved into the creator's story against his desire just to sell more copies, weren't even written by the main writer, and the main writer actively dislikes? MY desire for sex is more important!
Name 35 games that had this happen to them
>>340762481
You don't hang out on the visualnovels reddit, I take it? A lot of people are pretty butthurt about 'censored' versions even if the original didn't include H at all, or if the H is actively detrimental to the story, and will go on a rage crusade if you bring this up.
>>340748008
>because there was a whole like 20 years of only hetero shit in video games
>but it is actually a big deal for people to be represented in the games they play
>let's alienate 95+% of our demographic
>to cater to a 5% minority
makes sense, then!
>>340762342
>tfw actual writer who wants and will include H in his story even if every fucking single puritan in the world scoff and call it unrefined.
>>340762601
You won't spoonfeed me because you haven't got shit to show me. Spare me your /pol/ paranoia.
>>340747428
I was able to tell just from the faces and how they were drawn that it'd be a anybody can fuck anybody thing.
>>340762642
>>340762646
>>340762689
Where's your sources and examples?
>actually mentioning reddit on /v/
Why don't you just stay there if /v/ offends you so much?
>>340762703
The problem with this logic is that it doesn't' alienate the other 95%. Most games with homo options still have straight options. If a game has only homo options, than I'm sorry you can't enjoy it, sheepman.
>>340762660
Check list of vns on Steam that have 18+ versions that exist.
>>340761354
TOS Spock and Kirk were a top tie bromance, more actual homo ships should be written like them.
>>340762540
Where are all the movies with sweaty burly women killing each other? That's the kind of equal representation I need in my life.
>>340762734
I'm in favor of you writing all the underage incestuous gay rape you like, anon. Though I might make suggestions to see if you're willing to include my fetishes too.
>>340762849
G-Senjou no Maou
Grisaia trilogy
Sakura Dungeon
Princess Evangile
eden*
People want the 18+ content.
>>340762849
>Where's your sources and examples?
Why are you even arguing if you are not familiar with 18+ games? Just check the entire SP's steam cataloge.
>>340761249
This. They made a game without having to resort to others to change theirs, if it's shit, it's shit and don't buy it.
>>340761746
Fuck off.
Faggot here. We need fapbait in vidya too. Trying to steal your anime tiddies didn't go well for Anita and this won't go well for you.
The game OP posted is shit though.
>>340762765
I won't spoonfeed you because you're an irrational idiot and spoonfeeding is the last thing that 4chan needs. If you want to be spoonfed and can't read posts logically, there's places like reddit where you belong.
>>340762880
You don't expect conservative kiddies to play games with such problematic and toxic elements in them, do you Anon?
Honestly anti-SJWs cry more about the "gross" content of games these days than SJWs.
>>340763203
It's too hard to compare and actually say which one has the most assholes. Everyone is assholes.
>>340762849
http://steamcommunity.com/app/407330/discussions/0/357288572115870330/
Every vn that releases an all-ages version gets one, or usually several, threads like this. Or people patching it for the 18+ content on Steam.
http://steamcommunity.com/app/407330/discussions/0/357287935546522803/
>>340748008
>Normies actually think homo butt sex in video games is a recent trend
>>340758151
>white people without responsibility
you mean, people who were born rich or women who married into being rich feel it's the duty of the working class males to take responsibility for everyone else while the rich get to continue buying their 20 thousand dollar sunglasses and not pay taxes and call me a racist and privileged for being born white
I fucking hate being lumped into "white people" as a working class citizen and I know I'm not the only one
>>340763136
>I have no source but it's true
In other words... "Listen and Believe"
Okay buddy, you stand strong as the last man holding the fort against cultural marxism, or whatever it is you like to daydream about. Have fun.
>>340763418
Well, I think that post was particularly talking about hipster white guilt bearers.
>>340757138
Literally just another character. Not much more writing to make a couple gay characters. Hell, make a Bi character that a female and male protag can both go for. It's a terrible "design model" when its simply bad writing. All it takes is good writing and a few gay characters can be introduced.
>>340753157
Lufia 2 begs to differ.
>>340762897
>>340763019
>>340763025
As far as I'm aware, H-content wasn't forced into any of those against the writers' will and was just removed because of Steam's no porn policy. Of course people want the full content that's in the original game if they pay for it. What are you, retarded? If anything, what you're trying to force here is your own puritan narrative.
>>340763446
Refusing to read the source doesn't make the source not exist. It just proves that you are an ignorant irrational idiot.
>>340762981
Sorry anon, but I don't take suggestions. It features loli, incest, monstergirls and harem, all of them diabetes-inducing sweet vanilla. Well, the harem ending might be a bit too kinky for the most conservative ones...
>>340763136
>Some people don't identify with homosexuals, minorities, women, or transsexuals? Fucking unacceptable! Those people don't deserve to play games!
Who were you quoting though?
Let's be honest here, this game will not sell well as you would think, making a big fuzz out of it will only bring attention to it. The biggest thing you can do is simply not buy it and move on.
>>340763678
I didn't refuse to read the source, I asked for one and didn't get it.
>>340759613
I don't see a problem with games in general (I do with PSCD, the art is shit and the story is atrociously written), but I do not like stuff like Herald being marketed more or less exclusively as "this is a diverse game with diverse characters that are diverse colors and stuff".
My issue is that, generally speaking, this kind of game ends up sucking, because otherwise WW could say "This is my game with gay sex, card gameplay and this particular feature that makes it more interesting than other card games rather than just a rip off of Hearthstone with gay butts!". It's like gay relationships are the new chainmail bikini. Or whatever other bandwagon lazy, unimaginative devs decided was easy to put in a description and didn't necessarily require much work (again, thinking of WW in particular, given how they handle the relationships).
My hunch is that when people say "it shouldn't be the focus" or "it shouldn't be mentioned" a lot of them don't mean what you ascribe to them, that they're secretly hating on gays, but rather that it shouldn't be this badge that lazy people use to signal to a certain crowd and hope to get sales. And PSCD didn't even sell well, because it sucks. It sucks because the QC is shit, there's shit overlapping straight in the tutorial that makes it impossible to see stuff that you're supposed to use, there's only a few quirks to the gameplay in a largely ripped off mechanic and the story is devoid of any hook or theme or conflict, it's just a setting that railroads you into one of the routes.
I'm fine with gay characters. Make all the cast gay, if you find a cool reason in the story (or not! make something as outrageous as Katamari Damashi but with a gay emperor), but don't throw blanket accusations of *phobia at people for calling bullshit on lazy developers jumping on the latest bandwagon.
>>340753157
Can't I just dislike fags being in games like someone not liking escort missions?
>>340763585
I think you're confused. In Japan most vns are only profitable if they have porn to begin with and have to contain it, so people see the porn as shoehorned in against the writers wishes. That's not always the case, people just assume no one likes to write porn.
>>340763919
Where's your source? The majority of VNs are non-H and have mainstream releases.
>>340763919
If that were true then they wouldn't bother to porn vns to consoles since the porn scenes get taken out.
>>340763919
>In Japan most vns are only profitable if they have porn to begin with
That's not even slightly true
The most profitable vns by FAR are extremely mild vns targeted at female gamers.
Go to Japan and game stores always have a massive section of these bishie harem games.
>>340764087
*port
>>340748409
...what the fuck did you just say?
>>340764000
It's a common misconception, so why do I have to source it? Most famous vns start off as 18+ and later get a console all-ages port if they're already successful. The PC market thrives on 18+ content. Key is one of the few exceptions that have popular all-ages vns.
