NERF THIS FUCKING ASSHOLE ALREADY!
le high noon man
I can't wait until they do and all the "flash, hammer, roll" faggots are going to get rekt.
They literally confirmed a few days ago that the first nerf will be for McCree.
Its already been confirmed so just wait
>>340716297
So who do you think will be claimed the next OP hero after mccree and widow are nerfed?
My bets on junkrat. I do so fucking well with him placing traps at health packs and doing 120 damage per direct hit. hes also great at getting behind reinhardt shields to blast the people behind it
>>340716297
dont look at the light
>>340716527
Doesn't matter, once widow is nerfed all will be well in the world.
>>340716527
Pharah
She can two hit anyone and still rapes tanks
>>340716297
Its confirmed for a nerf.
Probably a Zen level nerf.
>>340716527
Mei.
Her ult is literally game changing.
>>340716527
I'm not bothered as much by Junkrat because you need to aim well and be clever about your trap. Doing good damages requires being good.
HOWEVER, when we see this piece of shit of Reaper, we can see that his fucking shotguns have a way too long range and still kill me from afar when he's supposed to be a close range hitter. I'm so triggered when I see one closing the gap with his bullshit invincible ghost mod just to activate his ulti and get play of the game
>>340716527
Widow
>>340716297
>complaining about Mccree when a team of five 76s and one Reinhardt can destroy everything.
anyone else notice how boring this game is?
>>340717069
>attack on payload map
>defense team has two bastions and two torbjorns
>wanting him to be nerfed while mei exists
Her freeze ray should do zero damage. Let it freeze players normally. Her ice spike alt-fire should be removed. Also her ult needs to be nerfed by allowing players to shoot the drone before it freezes everyone.
>>340717097
Anyone notice this guys shitposting?
>>340717189
How do you want her to do damage if her freeze doesn't dps and she has no alternate fire ?
>>340716527
factually tracer since she already is op and without mccree around shes borderline unstoppable
>>340717251
You're getting the idea.
>>340717219
>having a different opinion is shitposting now
lmao
Where do you live
>>340717189
Just remove her from the game at that point.
Thank god you don't work for blizzard.
>>340717352
>wahhh please don't nerf my ez-win combo!!!
Play something that requires skill, like Genji.
>>340717273
Oh. Oh ! I'm getting it alright now
>>340716297
I hate playing mcREEEEEEEEEEE. He rapes everyone 1v1 but he is no fun in big teamfights
>>340717429
>like Genji
Enjoy getting frozen when you try to reflect the ice ray
>>340717548
You can just snipe tanks from afar why do you bother
>>340716297
Git gud
>>340717602
I would play mei if I wanted to snipe people from afar
>about to go into a building
>hear the jingle jangle of spurs
>my survive ability is on cooldown
>>340717568
I hope you break your fucking hand
>>340716297
>complaining about someone being overpowered when everyone is overpowered, ults included
isn't this the whole point of the game, literally every character is a game changer in the right hands.
>>340717568
>21 hrs total played
Casuals shouldnt be in threads about balance.
>>340717789
>le it's balanced because everyone is OP meme
>>340717429
There's a difference between nerfing a character and rendering it unplayable.
>>340716796
Mei is OP as fuck, invuln, slow, stun, and her ult can shit on a whole team with little chance to escape it.
McCree isn't really all that bad, he's the best counter to any tank where few others exist as viably. His stun has incredibly limited range, and Fan the Hammer isn't particularly devastating if you miss even one round. If anything tanks should have a damage resistance buff instead of just gobs of health with Roadhog being the exception.
Roadhog's chain needs to be dropped in length by 25% since he can reach approximately 30 feet with it.
Reinhardt's ult needs to be made consistent with the graphics displayed for it, and it should behave consistently on all escort cart models.
Hanzo's arrows should move slightly faster, shotgun arrow should be made more predictable.
Widowmaker is relatively well balanced, slightly slower fire rate while scoped.
Zenyatta needs an all around buff. I've never seen him played in a manner that can be considered effective.
D.va needs some more damage albeit only a slight increase, I feel bad repeatedly soloing them over and over.
Pharah's 'e' should do damage and a brief stun when targets or the player hits a wall.
Winston's ult should give a damage absorption buff to compound with the aforementioned tank DR buff and heal him 200% of health on activation up to 1000 health instead of giving him 1000 health from 1 tick remaining.
Reaper's wraith walk should be a 70% DR ability instead of an invuln.
>>340716297
I really dont get why people say he's OP. Just stay away from him and he's below average.
>>340716297
>it's not evening yet
>>340717626
>tumblr
>mcREEE can delete 600 hp roadhogs in a second at close range
>baguette lady can delete 150 hp heroes instantly and anything below 300 in 2 shots
>bastion + reinhard shield + mercy buff can delete entire teams and every time someone asks for a nerf the devs just respond with 'use genji :)'
>d.va can't even kill a fucking zenyatta
>winston's ult counters itself
who thought this was a good idea
>>340716527
There are several as it is, McCree leaving the spotlight will make other people realize how obnoxious the others are.
>Mei
Don't even need to explain, everyone knows.
>Tracer
Her blinks need more of a cooldown, having not 1, not 2, but fucking 3 of them is just ridiculous and it maybe takes about 5 seconds for all 3 of them to recharge. Her alt can recharge fast as shit too, on top of her guns being sprayable and reloading fast as shit. A character this fucking squisy should not be able to solo Tanks.
>Torbjorn
Bitch faggot homo character. Set up turrets that kill enemies across the map, then get an easy ult that increases your firepower, health, and the strength of your overpowered toys. Oh, and you can buff all your boyfriends on the team with your ebin armor powerups! Literally kill yourself if you consider this character your "main."
I want overwatch fags to go to /vg/
I want overwatch fags to go to /vg/
I want overwatch fags to go to /vg/
I WANT OVERWATCH FAGS TO GO TO /VG/
I WANT OVERWATCH FAGS TO GO TO /VG/
I WANT OVERWATCH FAGS TO GO TO /VG/
FUUCKKKINGGG LEEAVVEE
>>340717272
What if they give her 75HP?
>>340717913
Everything you mentioned is based around casual solo play. In the high ranked team games, Mei is the least played hero and Mcree is vital team comp.
>>340717913
Sniper heroes should be listed as 'wildcards' since they can be effective as defensive or offensive characters.
Map rotation should take precedence over matchmaking, constantly shuffling the rotation nets frequent map loops rather than allowing a player to play on all maps.
Lootboxes should be rewarded for all achievements.
Per character reticles should be implemented.
>>340718217
>REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
it's a new game, it will end up there eventually. This happens with every new hype storm. Just hide the threads. It's better than e-celeb shitposting.
>>340717913
>he's the best counter to any tank
He's not intended as a counter for tanks you asshat only fast flankers.
>>340718307
That still wouldn't matter because she's near impossible to hit with most characters and she can literally run laps around you. The problem is her Blinks. She has too many and they recharge too quickly.
>>340718314
>high ranked team games
>it's a mei is OP episode
>>340718537
Pretty sure given his efficacy and damage output it can be construed that his intended purpose was indeed as a counter to tanks.
>>340716297
> Running away from McCree
> He throws a flashbang that explodes a distance behind my back
> Get stunned
WHY THE FUCK
>>340716297
BUFF THIS FUCKING ASSHOLE ALREADY!
>>340718418
>enemy team can't even hear you talk
right
>>340718390
>Lootboxes should be rewarded for all achievements.
This will literally never happen. The entire loot box system has been designed to prey on people who are dumb enough to buy the boxes through the microtransactions.
>>340718716
>the flashbang even does damage
>>340718568
If I can take her out as Handjob then your point is irrelevant.
>>340718746
He seriously needs to be able to survive more than one Widow bodyshot
>>340718390
per character reticles are already fucking in you casual
>>340718750
Both teams hear it so...
Why the fuck does Bastion have a self heal
>>340718183
>He can't deal with Torbjorn
Oh jesus how bad can you be at video games.
>>340718887
Because bastion is fucking garbage that only literal morons end up dying to
>>340717913
>Mei is OP as fuck
Dude you're so fucking bad at overwatch holy shit
>>340718837
No they aren't you nasty little pleb, there are the shitty on Blizzard arbitrarily threw on characters and there are custom ones which override all of those, annoyingly.
>>340718772
Who? Hanzo? Good for you, master bowman, but not everyone is as l33t as you are. Getting melted by a Tracer when you're a roadhog on the front lines is just obnoxious.
>B-but just chain her!
You make it sound so easy.
>>340717272
From what i can tell they aren't gutting mcree. He'll still keep tracer in check, but he won't be able to melt tanks anymore, which he shouldn't be able to on his own.
>>340717913
>Zenyatta needs an all around buff. I've never seen him played in a manner that can be considered effective.
Been playing a bit with him and consistently get gold for either eliminations or damage done. If you figure out his orbs travel speed he deals a fuckton of damage.
But because he's built out of paper mache you do also need to know the maps well and where enemies can pop out from to fuck your shit up.
>>340718674
Not according to the developers.
>>340718951
It's not that I die to Mei, it's her ice block bullshit. Don't get me started on friendly walls getting in the way of my killshots.
>Calls me bad
>doesn't provide any explicit evidence he's not
>>340718924
I didn't say I can't deal with him. I play Junkrat, I'm pretty much made to deal with him. But the range on his turrets is just unnecessary. Ever play against a team of 3 or more Torbs on defense? It's not fun.
DO NOT NERF MEI
JUST FUCKING REMOVE HER ENTIRELY AND MAKE D.VA FAT TO CATER TO THICC LOVERS
>>340718653
>"The Kid was the big sheriff on the block now. Act up and he'd show ya no mercy. Huh...shoulda seen the look on his face when he was shown Mercy."
>>340719089
>you do also need to know the maps well and where enemies can pop out from to fuck your shit up
You mean everywhere?
>peek around a corner to use harmony/discord orb
>die to bodyshot Widowmaker/flanking Tracer/Reaper/stray Hanzo arrow/Reinhardt charge/etc.
>>340716297
If you did this with a DVA pick this would be an entirily different thread
>>340719103
de Facto tank elimination machine. He is the tank counter, period.
buff genji melee
>>340717789
Yeah, but everyone has counters. Mcree and Widow have posted counters in theory (like Genji or Winston for Widow). However in practice, the only thing that really beats them is another, better Mcree or Widow.
The support problem;
Lucio is hands down the best support option in the game. If you have one support it's Lucio. If you have two supports it's one+Lucio
Is Lucio too good? Are all the other supports lacking? or do they just need more supports as options?
Lucio is to supporting as Reinhardt is to tanking, but there are still situations that counter Reinhardt. There is currently no situation where any support is a better choice then Lucio, besides already having a Lucio.
>>340719297
Why do D Va players have such a persecution complex? Probably because they don't want to admit the kawaii little Japanese character is shit, right?
>>340719028
Wooooowiiiieeee, turns out you have to hit things to kill them! Well color me shocked Timmy, skilled play is rewarded????
>>340719341
Yesssss for fucks sake why would you design a melee character and shit all over his melee attack?
Also buff all melee attacks, shit does like 5 damage.
>>340719163
Mei is really easy to avoid not dying too, yeah her ice block is bullshit but so is Reaper's wraith form, but that's ok? She's not OP, just annoying. If she was overpowered, she'd be played more in higher teams.
I don't think Junkrat is OP but I do think his bombs having direct hit damage even after hitting the ground is silly.
>>340718183
I don't really care about the others but the range of Torbs turrets makes me beyond angry. Not to mention his pistol is OP as fuck. I don't know why he needs an almost infinite range turret (let's face it there are barely any levels where it can't shot anything in sight) and a similar pistol with pinpoint accuracy and tremendous close range damage. Pubs are infested with 3 Torbs on defend. Bastion can be defeated but those fucking turrets lock on everything in an instant.
>>340719318
>Kaplan says McCree will definitely be getting nerfed in the game’s first patch. While the team is happy with his performance against “squishy” heroes like Tracer or Hanzo, he’s a bit more effective against tanks than Blizzard intended. As a result, the studio will be dropping the damage on his Fan The Hammer ability, leaving it high enough to take out smaller characters while forcing McCree to adopt new strategies against the game’s biggest heroes.
>>340719423
I think it's largely because Lucio has an AOE heal. Just being near him heals you, and on top of that he can give the whole team a mobility bonus. No other healer has that, they have to focus on players 1 at a time.
>>340719475
Care to come up with an actual counterpoint instead of trying to use your cringeworthy /b/ humor to act condescending?
>>340719423
Mercy is bomb too, really so is a well played Indian bitch. Maybe your team comps are shit? Like a single Mercy res can change the entire game. Indian hoebag can do pretty decent damage and create a significant distraction while also allowing players to rapidly flank from the rear.
Why is Symmetra considered a support? She just gives 25 shields and that's it.
HAIGU NUUN WAGA TEKI WO KURAU
>>340716297
>Egregious balance issues have been a problem for over 5 months
>Still haven't implemented a patch to address them
I'm good, I'll wait a month or so until they patch it. Every game at my MMR ends up the same. Multiple Mcree's and widowmakers who CS:GO autist their way into forcing entire teams to react to them.
>reaper ghosts right in front of your face
>shoot too early will cause a delay in follow up shot or increase spread
>shoot too late and you're dead
>he starts attacking nearly instantly after ghosting
>>340719423
A well-played Zenyatta helps you to just melt through the enemy team.
50% extra damage is nothing to scoff at.
>>340719773
Should change her stupid shield thing to a health dispenser. Would match her theme and work better as a healer.
>>340718750
He's trolling his own teammates idiot. Nothing in the quote suggested the enemy team was who was freaking out.
>>340719524
de fac·to
ˌdā ˈfaktō/
adverb
adverb: de facto; adverb: defacto
1.
in fact, or in effect, whether by right or not.
>more effective against tanks than intended
>insinuating the things you say are definitive truths
>nothing said to support it
delusional.
>>340717913
>Mei is OP as fuck, invuln, slow, stun, and her ult can shit on a whole team with little chance to escape it.
Git Gud
>McCree isn't really all that bad, he's the best counter to any tank where few others exist as viably. His stun has incredibly limited range, and Fan the Hammer isn't particularly devastating if you miss even one round. If anything tanks should have a damage resistance buff instead of just gobs of health with Roadhog being the exception.
Tank countering is not his purpose.
>Roadhog's chain needs to be dropped in length by 25% since he can reach approximately 30 feet with it.
He's fine.
>Reinhardt's ult needs to be made consistent with the graphics displayed for it, and it should behave consistently on all escort cart models.
Agreed 100%.
>Hanzo's arrows should move slightly faster, shotgun arrow should be made more predictable.
No, the massive head hitbox already makes his arrows devastating.
>Widowmaker is relatively well balanced, slightly slower fire rate while scoped.
Agreed.
>Zenyatta needs an all around buff. I've never seen him played in a manner that can be considered effective.
He just needs 50 more health points to prevent him from getting one shot by Widow.
>D.va needs some more damage albeit only a slight increase, I feel bad repeatedly soloing them over and over.
And a smaller crit box for the MEKA.
>Pharah's 'e' should do damage and a brief stun when targets or the player hits a wall.
Nah. She's fine.
>Winston's ult should give a damage absorption buff to compound with the aforementioned tank DR buff and heal him 200% of health on activation up to 1000 health instead of giving him 1000 health from 1 tick remaining.
I don't know enough about Winston yet to know if this is shit or not.
>Reaper's wraith walk should be a 70% DR ability instead of an invuln
No, it should prevent him from picking up health packs until he's out of the form.
>>340719736
Symmetra is a good secondary support, but her shields don't keep people going in a team fight.
Mercy is nice for shit comps with multiple snipers or flankers, but Lucio is better for teams that work together.
>>340719773
She had 50 shields throughout most of the beta, and her teleporter is akin to a Mercy res, without all the issues that come with trying to get your whole team to die at the same time.
>>340719616
I mean, AOE heal is insanely useful, that's why he's always picked. So, do they need more AOE healers? Like a support that drops Soldier-style beacons near constantly? Or an Orb-of-Harmony that heals everyone near the target of the orb? Or is his AoE just too good?
>>340719920
If Zen got any buffs he would be a 100% pick all the time. He brings the damage of an offensive class with the utility of a support. Only thing that needs to change about him is Widow shouldn't be able to bodyshot him for a kill.
>like playing mei
>enjoy setting walls in good locations, shutting down areas with w+m1 or ults
>wow wtf switch off mei she sucks play someone else leave the game
I'm not even a waifu faggot. I just like playing her...
>>340719986
>more effective against tanks than intended
dude it takes forever to kill a roadhog as mei
>>340720082
Mei's one of the best heroes in the game.
>>340719920
But to get the discord orb onto someone you have to present yourself into a situation that potentially fatal. Even peeking out for just a second can get you killed by a stray Junkrat nade or Pharah rocket. He's too weak.
I want to like Zenyatta but I just can't. He feels fucking useless compared to Lucio or even Mercy.
>>340719591
>cant defeat toblerone's turrets
guess youve never heard of genji before. unlike bastion, the turret keeps firing at you even after you use your deflect. I use trobjorn a decent amount, but a good chunk of the cast can deal with his turrets no problem
>genji is a great character, just hard to use!!!
No, he's shit. On top of being paper thin, he has the worst DPS in the game on a projectile attack and is slower than Tracer.
He needs one of these things to be viable:
>more damage on projectile
>faster
>deflect works for 3 seconds
>less cooldown on shift
>>340717913
>I have never seen a good Widowmaker in my life
This shit should be required viewing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JcIEY9-mPn4
>>340717913
>Widowmaker is relatively well balanced
We must be playing a different game.
>>340718589
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ux61CtqGm1c
>>340720134
Not you, this guy:
>>340719610
>>340720194
>The worst dps in the game
>Can literally combo into 170 damage at close range near instantly.
Everyone calling for Genji buffs is bad or playing him wrong. You plink away until you do around 40-50 damage and then go in and burst them with a rightclick-melee dash, its near impossible to react to.
>>340720027
It's just that the AOE heal is too good and that hes the only one who has it. Any idiot can play Lucio because you're helping just by running in circles near your team.
If Zenyatta could throw his Harmony orbs out as beacons to heal like 76 does, he would be a different character. Same goes for Mercy. There's just too much micromanaging needed to play other healers, having to mommy everyone is just too much in the heat of the game.
widow needs a nerf more
>cant play half the roster is she's up
>>340720082
I like using her walls for mobility. If you're playing with friends you can get up to some dumb shit.
It is super easy with her to bypass the Hanamura Point A choke point with an ice wall. Just stand on the walkway on the left side and create a wall that goes towards the window/hole on the left side.
>>340719408
Pro monkeys can deal with Widow.
But the only way to deal with Mcree is even more Mcree.
Mei is the least used hero at high levels and mouth breathers on v are shit enough to think shes broken
Why is v so garbage at video games
>>340720380
So the question becomes; Nerf Lucio, or buff all other supports?
>>340720380
Its a combination of this speed boost and AoE heal. The speed boost when used well lets an entire team bypass a chokepoint(aka the fucking game) near instantly to roll over a defense. And his heal for some reason is good enough when pumped to outheal most characters supplemental damage. When its boosted you have a war of escalation going, their team has a huge health advantage unless you have a lucio doing the same thing.
He's too much in one package.
>>340718314
Who gives a fuck about comp? Overwatch is never going to be considered a competitive shooter so why fuck the game up chasing the e-sports dream that'll never happen?
>>340720342
Good luck getting that close and having only one person to fight. A situation like that happens maybe once every game.
Genji will literally never win a 2v1, and he gets hard countered by popular members of the cast in 1v1s in the first place. Genji has the movement and sneak ability, but needs something else to make him viable.
>people think Pharah is OP
wut? she is fun tho
>>340719423
Zen needs to shoot harmoney balls true walls there now he can do something as a support and not just a debuffer dps.
>>340720556
Not sure, but if I had to pick id say buff the others. I want to play Zenyatta cause hes really fun when things go in my favor, but I never can seem to be as productive with him as I am with Lucio.
>>340720642
The problem with Pharah is her counters can easily be dealt with by her if you direct hit. Soldier has to try twice as hard to kill her than she does to kill him if she's in the air. Widow on the other hand is broken as shit so as soon as widow is nerfed Pharah jumps from being a good pick to a borderline mandatory pick.
>>340717913
What the fuck is with Blizz and making Frost based characters such fucking broken aids.
Bitch literally even has a fucking ice block.
>>340720194
No Genji is fine. It is you who sucks. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ZeZATcLiPQ
>>340720616
People who want to win and not lose because some fucking shitter is playing Hanzo on offense poorly?
>>340719992
>Hanzo
I don't know what the cut-off is but his headshots aren't a 1 hit kill on a number of characters.
>Zenyatta
I've never seen his healing go above 1k, virtually everyone opts for Mercy or Lucio. Damage buffs are nice but because of disparate team cooperation I don't think he'll ever be viable without some run-off effect from his transcendence orb or his discord orb. Health would be nice, though.
>Reaper
The purpose of the Wraith Walk is to pick up health orbs from enemies to allow continued fire or to escape. I can agree with health kits but there are too many situations where he is on the verge of death and walks back to the backline without any consequences.
>Roadhog
I've been caught too many times from what should be a safe distance from his 1-hit kill machine bullshit to agree with you there. 30' is much too far for that given the significant amount of health he has. But I would suggest a slightly shorter cooldown to reflect the change.
>>340720858
No amount of balance changes is going to change that though.
>>340720618
Play better and pick your moments, you're not supposed to win 2v1's as any character in this game. Genji comes the closest to doing so with resets and the sheer greatness of deflect and dash. You can very easily get behind a team run in and burst down a backline character and then get the fuck out to do it again in 8 seconds.
he's a skirmisher, not a murdergod you weeb.
>>340720185
Zenyatta is stronger than anyone gives him credit for and. Buff of any kind will make is a top pick for everyone. all you need is to stick with a tank, throw a harmony orb on him, and doctors orb anyone who is in clear sight to be shot...
A good zenyatta will melt the opposing teams health all while providing constant heals tot he tank, who (if he is a good tank) will provide constant protection to the zenyatta who is providing constant 50% buffs for the team...
Not to mention his orbs are cancelae meaning within a half second of shooting a discord you can immediately start unleashing ammo on them.
He is perfectly balanced, widow just needs that one shot on him taken away
>>340720642
Who thinks she's OP? She's fucking underpowered
>>340720203
Did you fail to notice he was dealing out headshots almost exclusively? I don't know what more you could want, she's got a high skill threshold, not everybody (read: 0.01%) of people can play like that, especially not consistently.
>>340720943
His Arrows do 125 damage so its enough to kill everyone at 250 or lower in one headshot, and frankly this is how much a full charge widow should do with body shots as well, not this 150 nonsense.
Nerf her damage down to 125 full charge body shots and nerf the charge rate or rate of fire moderately and she's fine. Remove wallhack though, can't believe they think its a good idea to have that in game.
>>340718960
Literraly look in options and select which heros you fucking moron
>>340721005
This. He is akin to the scout in TF2 in terms of use. You just buzz around the backline and then when your ult is ready you murder the entire team while their backs are turned. The amount of useless Genji players out there is unreal. I suppose because he has a katana every shitter weeb picks him to compliment their autism.
>>340721130
The Discord orbs are nice but theyre not mandatory, most premade teams can play perfectly fine without them. He's a neat character but he's just can't substitute for Lucio.
>>340720618
you have the mobility and burst damage to get in and out fast.
are you playing on console?
>>340720186
Zaria is also his hard counter fuck she can just use him to charge up.
>>340719163
>it's her ice block bullshit.
you mean the thing where you can carefully prepare for a one-shot with half of the characters when she pops out?
half of the characters can instantly kill her as soon as she isn't invulnerable
>>340720858
Oh fuck dude get over yourself. It's a video game.
>>340721663
Fuck off.
>>340721394
many shitters think that Genji has the highest skillcap and makes the sickest playzz xD so they just hop around their backline all game doing fuck all
>>340719773
They should change it to stop retarded teammates from asking why we have 2 supports.
>>340721706
True but that in no way is indicative of his balance, when played well he is borderline OP, when played by tards he's going to seem useless. I.E. all the faggots on /v/ claiming he needs buffs.
>>340721663
>shitter in any team based game doing awfully and dragging team down
>duuuude chill out its just a game
go fuck yourself this isnt how it has ever worked ever and winning is the key objective of the game
>>340721189
Yeah I can agree with removing Widow's wallhacks but Hanzo's should stay. I haven't played much Widow but she does charge way too fast. I think the balance feature between her and Hanzo is mobility though which Hanzo loses charge rate and damage for. I guess the ideal would be sacrificing fire rate on Widow, and a marginal increase in charge.
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>>340722018
Hanzo ult charges even faster then widow
>>340716297
They already nerfed him.
Bastion on the otherhand is still busted. Ult is literally too good.
FUCK YOU, NERF THIS!
>>340716297
I'm actually fine with how he is when playing as offense, support or defense against him but what I fucking hate is how easily he can take out tanks, THAT is what's op about him, imo.
I always saw Genji as more of an amazing distraction rather than killing machine, but that's just me.
When I play him, I'll never have an assload of damage, but I can distract 2 or 3 people by poking them and running.
>>340721868
It's not even about winning, it's about having close matches, which doesn't fucking happen when you have xXSephiRoth420Xx on your team playing Hanzo like he's fucking Michael J. Fox and BronyWaifu playing Pharah when they have a good Widowmaker and accomplishing absolutely fuck all while they both refuse to switch and beg for heals(which I usually play, Lucio is fun as fuck).
>>340721636
>she randomly moves in any direction
>lined up a shot
Whoa man, you're like psychic or something
How about I had a shot lined up and somebody decided it was a good idea to incorporate invincibility into an action shooter and somebody decided to use it at that very moment. Repeatedly.
>>340716527
Widow on PC most likely
>>340721868
They don't care how much they drag you down and your complaints fall on deaf ears because you're just some shitter online.
>>340722093
Fuck no, it takes 4 headshots to charge Widow's ult.
>>340721142
I would argue she is actually smack bang in the middle of the power scale. On some maps she is useless on others she is borderline essential. I always see shit players flying around all game and wondering why they get shot down all the time with hitscan. Her jump pack is an escape mechanic and used to out maneuver when under pressure from classes like Mei.
>>340721868
No not really it's about a sense of competition, not winning or losing. It's about besting some other individual or bettering yourself. You have to lose some to win some and you're a faggot, go play competitive and cry every time you drop the ball.
>>340722198
This is his primary use. But it's also his job to take out the healers. He is backline disruption, plain and simple.
>>340722305
Usually these assholes try to blame me(hurr durr the only constant in your teams is you!), which makes no sense because I do infinitely better when I have a premade - ie: when I have teammates who can actually do their fucking job instead of a CoD player running in 1v6 and doing their best post-Parkinson's Muhammad Ali impression despite specifically being told not to do this shit.
>>340722093
no it doesn't
How do you counter a team of Torbjorns?
I did this today and realized it was broken as fuck on the Gibraltar stage. Opponents had 6 minutes to counter us but couldn't figure out how. Turrets simply have too much range.
>>340722093
It's also easily avoidable and requires a very rare set of circumstances to be super effective. Most commonly it can ward a team off the point or the cart momentarily. It's particularly good when you play him correctly and your team is all dead and you need a few seconds for trickle-in, but mostly it's a non-issue for most characters.
>>340722586
Reinhardt shield Widows or Soldier 76 or fuck them up from safety with Junkrat. Nowhere near as hard as you'd think, retards just don't want to change characters.
>>340720763
>Soldier has to try twice as hard to kill her than she does to kill him if she's in the air
What?
Pharah moves slow as fuck when she's in the air, she's literally a floating target you just need to fire in bursts and she'll go down really easily, most Pharahs I played against stopped flying as much when I picked S76 because everytime they were on the air I annoyed them by focusing on them.
>>340722586
you embrace it
>>340722586
I always use a sniper to counter Torb turrets and Bastions, Widowmaker is ideal but Hanzo can handle them just as easily.
>>340722686
Bullshit. 4-6 trobs dropping their turrets to protect the point but not be in LOS of sniper fire are way harder to remove than just that. The only way, and I mean the ONLY way is to spam ults and coordinate. DVA ulting will kill every turret if they are placed just right, and then you need to pop other ults to clear the torbs, probably during THEIR ults before they can resetup their turrets. If you DONT, they will just put them back up in 10 seconds and you have to start all over again.
>>340722586
a couple of reinhardts/junkrats or widows
>>340717913
God, just about every one of your suggestions is terrible
Roadhog's chain is fine
In fact, half my pulls usually get away because his shotty is usually too weak to finish them off alone
And Hanzo is underwhelming as fuck
Projectile speed is fine, but fix the fucking drop off for fully-cocked arrows, increase the fire speed with a more dramatic ramp up to the current max damage, and buff the fuck out of his shotty-arrows. Half the time I shoot them into a crowd, and they go anywhere but the fucking targets. Lower the damage and make it fucking homing so at least Hanzo isn't completely useless if someone rushes him--shoot it into a crowd, and damage is distributed evenly. Shoot it against a single target and have it focus the one target.
Aw, who am I kidding--Blizzard can't balance for shit......
>>340716527
Junkrat doesn't need nerfs. He is annoying but no one decent will die to him. He just softens people up for easier kills while using traps to control areas. He is good, but he hardly needs any nerfs.
>>340716636
I can't believe her health is so high. Should be at 150 AT MOST.
turrets have a certain amount of time that they need to detect you and start firing; almost any character can just sneak and peek and whittle a turret away. shields help, widows/pharah help, and a mercy can keep you alive while you address a turret
the only thing you have to respect really is torbjorn's ultimate
>>340722586
With 6 minutes to spare, they could have charged dvas meter, used defense matrix to get into position, boosted and "NERF THIS" to take out the turrets and torbjorns at once.
>>340717913
Zen is an excellent counter to tanks. And he isn't OP.
>>340718924
Nigger being able to "deal" with a character doesn't mean you can't hate them. I could "deal" with Cammy/Ibuki/Akuma wakeup vortex as Cody and any other characters I play (Yang/Fei Long), but it was the definition of brainless and anti-fun and that shit doesn't belong in the game.
So sick of hearing
>"lel just git gud scrub and there's nothing to complain about! :^) "
>it's a I want to go Zenyatta but Widowmaker is such a broken piece of shit she forces him out of every match and I gotta go Winston just to suppress her because our flankers are dogshit episode
>it's a Hanzo hits you from around a corner episode
>it's a Mercy refuses to heal anyone but the tank episode
>it's a 2 Hanzo's and a Widow on your team and they're all shit episode
>it's a fucking retards refuse to change characters to adapt episode
>it's a you walk around a corner and McCree is standing there episode
>it's a Roadhog hooks you through a fucking wall episode
>it's a your Widow is fucking shit and fails to snipe the Pharah out of her ult episode
>it's a 2 Junkrats and a Lucio on KotH episode
>it's a 2 Torbs and a Bastion on defence episode
>>340716527
Soldier.
>>340723161
Oh god I hate these fuckers that dual queue as a whatever/Mercy and the Mercy ONLY heals them. And 90% of the time neither are worth shit so its a complete waste.
>>340718828
nerfing widow's bodyshot damage slightly and upping the headshot modifier would make her both more skillful and less bullshit.
>>340723161
>play as roadhog
>half my hooks bug out
>the person I hook either starts moving before I can even fire a shot
>or they get hooked to BEHIND me
>or they only get hooked halfway and then run off
>or some other stupid shit
>every other Roadhog lands every hook and one shot kills literally everything
>>340722935
I'm pretty sure you need to alt-fire to get your 1-hit kills as Roadhog. That said him being similar optimal ranges with Hanzo and McCree is a little ridiculous, regardless of the skill threshold.
Projectile drop on Hanzo is fine, but the level of tracking you need to do at beyond optimal range is absurd as a product of slow projectiles. I don't think it needs a buff, I get a lot of kills with it and frequently too, but it isn't predictable enough to make a definitive shot, Homing seems a little ridiculous.
Better yet, how would you buff everyone else to be on McRee's level?
I'm all for buffing Reinhardt's shield and health to deal with multiple fan hammers, increasing the duration of D.va's matrix and decreasing the cooldown time, buffing Roadhog and Zarya's health and increasing duration of Zarya's shield.
>>340716527
I don't care who so long as it isn't my baby Roadhog. Dude doesn't get much love these days as is.
>"I am never going to play this ugly son of a bitch"
>THE HOOKS, THE HOOKS, BEWARE THE HOOKS.
>>340717568
>trying to fight Mei as Genji
I bail the fuck out and try to go behind again.
Getting all uppity and thinking you will kill Mei is stupid. On the other hand it's kinda stupid to keep playing Genji anyway when the enemy Mei keeps standing with her ass in the backline.
>>340723274
Slightly? She can do 150 damage if she hits you ANYWHERE. Her bodyshot damage shouldn't be above 100 at full charge. And her health shouldn't be above 150. I can't believe she is more durable than half a dozen other heroes.
I'm fine with her headshots being very lethal at full charge, but only at full charge.
>>340718772
Handjob has skyscraper arrow hitboxes though and you can shoot around her feet with the exploding arrows to completely destroy her
>>340723060
Zen is supplemental and requires a lot of variables. Without McCree there is no direct counter to tanks.
>>340723430
Reaper and Tracer shred tanks dude.
>>340723316
Every Hanzo I see just blind fires in random directions and gets kills. The only "skill" is off their shotgun, which I've seen used smartly, but thats it. I feel pissed when a Hanzo kills me with normal arrows because EVERY TIME they were just firing in a random direction and I happened to walk into it.
>>340723430
that isn't even meant to be McRee's role, he is supposed to protect the flank from squishy flankers, not melt everyone.
>>340723430
He gives a large damage taken buff to tanks, can hit them EASILY from high as fuck range and can heal their pick damage, which is all any of them do outside of close range.
>>340723316
OH
AND FAN-SPAMMING MCGREE ISN'T
AUTO-AIMING 76 ISN'T?
The only way to balance this game is to fight OP with OP. If Blizz's history is an indicator, a handful of heroes will rotate being the flavor of the month, while other heroes will be nerfed to oblivion.
No really, Blizzard really is horrible about about balance--go fucking look at every patch note for WoW.
>>340717913
>Zenyatta needs an all around buff. I've never seen him played in a manner that can be considered effective.
I don't think I do too bad with him, he just needs 50 more HP and a more useful right click.
I can shit out some insane damage with him for a support, but his healing is shit compared to Mercy/Lucio.
Maintaining a 50/50 W/L with Zenyatta is by far the hardest out of any character thanks to every fucking team having a Widowmaker or Hanzo. Literally suffering.
>>340723417
I hit her in the head, actually. I don't think you know what you're talking about with the hitboxes either, they're all shared.
>>340720943
never above 1k healing on zen? you're an idiot. put the orb on whoever's taking heat. it's not hard.
>>340718772
You can take every hero out with hanzo if you land your shotgun arrow just right. Does that mean every hero is balanced?
>>340723621
I can't believe people think 76 is OP. He is a strong all around choice, but that is it. Almost every defensive option in the game completely negates his ult, and he has no margin for error when aiming anything else. His heal and sprint are good utility but hardly game breaking.
>>340720839
>Has a pocket Mercy on his ass all the times
You didn't think this through.
>>340720858
Not with those hitboxes and auto aiming, no.
>>340723624
His right click does feel pointless. Firing a stream of shots that you can't really time just right is dumb. Its only ever going to hit every orb if its a tank or if the enemy player is literally stuck in place, which means an easy kill anyway.
>>340721142
Blizzard themselves thinks she's OP
>Phara
>Underpowered
Phara is a fucking nightmare and is only not used in "Pro matches" because Widowmakers rape the fuck out of her and every team has a Widowmaker.
>>340718063
Plenty of truth here
>>340723641
except they aren't. Hanzo especially and other characters with "projectile" weapons have massive hitboxes compared to other characters. Hanzo for example can headshot a character whose head is completely obscured by cover.
>it's a faggot link to seagull to try and prove genji is good episode
>>340723316
Pointblank Alt fire does 3 Damage. Alt fire is for Midrange combat.
>>340718063
winstons ult is fine
very useful especially in overtime when you gotta smack people away from and off the point
>>340723621
Hey man I'm not denying that Blizzard is awful. It's why I, as a general rule, hate Blizzard.
>>340723501
Yeah, Reaper can fuck some shit up, Tracer can too, McCree is right in the middle of the same class with reasonably similar skill threshold. To nerf him you should nerf the others. Or conversely, as I suggested before give a 10% damage reduction buff to all tank heroes.
>>340723545
How do you explain his Fan the Hammer skill then? Which flankers get that close, without moving so fucking quickly that it becomes irrelevant? The stun? You've got like a 40% chance of landing it on a good day.
>>340723541
You're playing with some real shitters dude, he has a wallhack arrow so you can see around corners to predict movement around them and line up shots before a player even presents themselves, every 12 seconds.
>>340723970
God I hate Pharahs. Especially because I'm shit at aiming. They just spend all their time floating and raining down rockets and I can't do shit unless I'm genji or something.
>>340724123
get the drop on people + spam fan blades/sword dash
>>340719229
>They picked 3 of the same character
>Team refuses to counterpick
>Dang this character is the problem not our stupidity
Do you even know what a class-based team game is?
>>340724232
I play genji quite a bit im aware how to play him, that doesn't change that he's one of the weakest flankers and harassers right now.
>>340724091
Proof?
How do I play McCree?
>>340724390
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_UU8jqxAiHQ&feature=share
>>340721158
>Fail to notice he was dealing out headshots almost exclusively
Did we watch the same video? He had a SHIT TON of body shots.
when are they gonna roll this shit out already
all of the big shit is known to everyone at this point
>mccree fan nerf
>widow all around nerf
>dva buff
>zen more health
JUST DO IT REEE
>>340724575
e. right click. shift. right click.
>>340724575
Stay behind the reinhardt shield, shoot heads. If someone gets close, press e, right click. If they're still alive, shift and the right click again. Ult is useless.
>>340716297
*rolls behind OP*
*sheathes revolver*
*it is now 12:00pm*
*shoots OP*
pshhhh nothing personnel kid somebody call an undertaker for him
>>340724624
Holy shit what is wrong with Blizzard?
>>340720186
You can't really deflection kill Torbjorn turrets as Genji because they don't do enough damage to kill themselves even if you hit them for the full duration.
>>340724624
>every character in the game has the same shit going on
>>340723161
>>it's a Mercy refuses to heal anyone but the tank episode
I see you haven't run into
>I'm a DPS mercy, pick your own healer
yet.
>>340725138
Yeah, that's pretty ridiculous.
>>340725180
>and Hanzo's is worse
Did you not see how much bigger his leniency is? That wasn't gravity drop from that short of a range making those bots die.
>>340722586
>3 reinhards
>when ones shield is almost dead the second one goes infront and shields
>3 guys behind the 3 reinhardts destroy the turrets
>>340725584
Not that anon, but if the Torbs are so coordinated as to require something like to counter, they'll just rush and shotgun together behind the shield anyway.
>>340725213
The only dps mercy ive seen was a collection of salt pretending to be human, because i kept taunting when killing his tracer as mercy
>>340725265
I'm not saying it isn't fucked, but it really isn't as bad as you make it seem all things factored in. His intended purpose is a sniper, he has no zoom and arrow drop is pretty substantial additionally the projectile speed isn't particularly fast. That said his actual optimal range in my experience is about 30'-45'. From that range tracking is much simpler, arrow drop is far less substantial and it meets the target quickly, Hanzo is particularly squishy, fires very slowly, and as such is very vulnerable to rushing. I'd say it's pretty reasonably balanced from either point of view all things considered.
>Enemy widowmaker turns on wall hacks for her team
>McREEE turns the corner knowing im there
>stuns and hammershot
>Die
>>340725213
i got a """"""dps mercy""""" before and i just left. lose your own game if you want dont ruin mine.
>>340723296
I know your pain all too well, friend.
>>340716527
Roadhog's grapple. I bet they'll reduce it's velocity by half. Either that or they add a delay after he grapples so he can't instantly melee and shoot at the same time.
>>340725213
I think you're lying, Anon.
Those can't possibly exist.
>>340716853
>I'm so triggered when I see one closing the gap with his bullshit invincible ghost mod just to activate his ulti and get play of the game
Are you kidding me?
> purposefully stay close to wraithed Reaper
> right when his invulnerability ends press 'e' with high noon man
> right click
>>340716527
Soldier 76
Where my mad max bros at homie
>>340720616
>Who gives a fuck about comp?
Blizzard
>>340717913
Please don't associate Data with your retardation ever again.
I LOVE YOU, MCCREE
>can't win a single game
>>340716297
I literally can't wait until McCree is nerfed so I can continue to like and be good at him since I don't just M2 like everyone else who plays him, and flashbang is an amazing asset.
