Anyone else feel this weird pang of sadness when they hear the songs from the MGSV trailers? It just reminds me of when we were all trying to piece shit together.
Every time I think about TPP or GZ I get sad by thoughts of what could have been.
The trailers were so good, GZ showed so much promise, the hype was palpable.
IM NUCLEAR
>>340691496
STANDING
ITT: People who hyped themselves up for a videogame in this day and age
HAHAHAHAHA fucking cucks
>>340691496
>By E3 2013 we had seen almost every story cutscene
>>340692467
The trailers were legitimately better than the game, nothing to do with hype.
>>340692742
>he didn't watch the gameplay trailers that were literally the exact same as the final product
fuck off my man
>>340692912
This. The gameplay demos hinted at a lot of problems the game ended up having.
I just wanted a game that tied into MG 1 and 2, and we didn't really get that at all.
>>340691496
Elegia is fucking amazing and that's probably one of the best trailers I've ever seen for a game.
>>340693364
No it didn't. The gameplay trailers were fucking awesome and everyone here collectively shat themselves. The gameplays amazing.
I watched the trailers. I got excited. I also thought it was hilariously retarded of /v/ to come up with cringey fan fiction levels of plot speculation, and yet people still found this retard hype as the best part of their experience, from marketing to release to post-release.
Let me remind you that your epic hype threads produced gems like "Chico is quiet" among other pants on head retarded shit.
WE ARE
I've been thinking about it and I think what I REALLY want out of final MGS game is a remake of MG2 where we get the Skullface fight we never got, and Volgin is in there and Quiet. If we got that that adds all the new stuff from TPP then this game wouldn't feel so wasted. And it would make a great game.
>>340693703
Those threads were loads of fun either way. Although people really did think Chico was quiet for a bit.
From time to time i rewatch the nuclear and the not your kind of people trailers and it fucking kills me.
All i wanted was big boss going demon, instead we got some hamfisted meta shit
>"lmao you're big boss too"
>>340691496
Still can't believe ground zeroes was actually the superior game.
I wasted so many years expecting to be blown away by tpp... I wish I could go back and tell myself to snap out of it...
Ground Zeroes set too good of a precedent in my opinion. I had the impression that at least a good portion of the enemy bases in TPP would be camp omega tier in terms of depth.
The story being disappointing was one thing, but the repetitiveness and linearity of the gameplay (especially after going into it assuming it was going to be a fuckhuge GZ) was what killed it for me
>Watch the first gameplay trailer recently
>Realize all the good lines about revenge are from Kaz and Snake barely spoke
WE DIDN'T LISTEN
>>340693374
But now you know how BB survived MG1. That's what everyone wanted, right? Not some stupid plot about a hero who saved the world losing everything that makes life worth living and gradually becoming a villain who kills civilians to abduct their children and train them as child soldiers while keeping the world in a state of constant warfare because fighting is all he knows. Who cares about that shit?
>>340693869
Why do you want a fight with a weak, dying man riddled with parasites to barely keep him alive? What makes you think he can even fight on even footing with a foot soldier?
>>340693845
>>340693997
>All I wanted was my fan fiction, but instead I got Kojima's fan fiction
How could he have made the game he wanted instead of what I wanted?!
>>340691496
I just wish the levels had actual design and variety.
it feels like they used a random generator to make those copy paste brown bases. not a single level or mission sticks out to me. christ it's disappointing because with some decent level design the mechanics and visuals could've combined for a great game. as it stands it's dull and repetitive.
also christ that story was fucking stupid.
>>340693364
No, they were fine
The problem was that they showed the entirety of the gameplay experience.
>>340694309
He's referring to the direct implications that the trailers made you fucking idiot.
>>340693703
Chico = quiet isn't a bad theory tbhfsghkn.
And considering the "it's not really big boss it's decoy octosnake/snake fox/someone else" theory ended up being half right, I don't think mgsv is a good example of mentally retarded fan theories.
Remember: no matter how retarded the theories got, absolutely nobody predicted fucking voice parasites or bastard WOLBACHIA or that you don't kill all your men due to some kind of serious drama but because they're all turning into zombies anyway.
Oh just fuck this game man.
>>340693703
Chico being quiet would have at least been more entertaining than him being unceremoniously killed offscreen
>>340693997
>Snake rescues child soldiers
>They still want to fight
>"Oh, I bet he eventually lets them fight, then encourages it, then forces them. A slow, believable descent into villainy"
>NOPE, he forbids them from fighting and teaches them to read
Kaz, I'm already an angel
>>340694049
What depth? I can finish GZ's main mission in 15 minutes or so, and that's not even speedrunning. Omega is no different from Afghan main base in terms of size or complexity.
>Stupid pointless twist that goes against the entire thing the game was setting up is revealed in the FIRST TRAILER
>>340694605
So? I can finish it in 6 minutes flat. That doesn't mean it didn't present depth and opportunity for somebody who plays it for the first time, especially if such a mission and area were to be part of the game multiple times over. That's what I'm saying
>>340694438
Fuck off mongoloid. Try to contain your inner autist the next time you watch a good trailer instead of flying off the rails and developing unwarranted expectations.
>>340694309
Honestly its what most fans were expecting. He made a bet between going with an easy fanservice plot or a risky original plot and lost.
Thing is, the easy, obvious plot would still get MGS fans sucking his dick for the rest of the decade. Personally i thought it was a shitty bet.
>>340694141
Are you talking about Skull Face? He can clearly fight plus he would be a ghost.
>>340694680
>that goes against the entire thing the game was setting up
And what is that thing?
>>340694780
You're also saying there's nothing like Omega in PP and you neglect to say anything when I point out Afghan central base.
>>340694801
Yeah, how dare somebody see and interpret things presented in a trailer for a game they want to get.
Come back when your blood pressure is a bit lower, sperglord.
>>340695072
That base's approach was literally a straight line. You only think it compares because it's bigger than anything else in the game.
>>340694843
Either I missed something or you're pulling this out of your ass. All we know is that he leads the covert side of Zero's operations and provided intel during MGS3.
>>340695205
I can literally walk in a straight line from drop off to where Paz is located, then walk in another straight line to Chico.
Kojima didn't really direct the game. They got some tard to do it and just slapped his name into the game.The only things he actually directed were the trailers and maybe GZ.
>>340692421
ON THE EDGE
>>340695361
That's because you've played it before.
For a first time player of the OKB zero mission, there's nothing else to do other than move forward.
Also, even if you think OKB zero is comparable to camp omega, you're completely missing the point I made about literally every other base in TPP being nothing like it in theory or practice. There's no excuse for that.
>>340693690
Compared to others in the genre, it's a passable stealth game. If you've only played the previous games I can see why you'd glorify it.
i will continue to ejaculate :^) - Kojima @ haters and "fans", 2016
>>340694963
Big Boss becoming the villain of MG1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J1Bu1lDD2So
>>340695509
So the problem here is you want urban infiltration instead. What makes you think PP made any promises on that? Why aren't you just replaying 1,2, and 4?
>>340694425
>the trailers showed what the game was like
>AND THAT MAKES IT SHIT
You hyper little children
>>340692467
>People expecting good writing in a post-Fukushima MGS game.
They deserved it.
>>340694465
>And considering the "it's not really big boss it's decoy octosnake/snake fox/someone else" theory ended up being half right, I don't think mgsv is a good example of mentally retarded fan theories.
The body double twist was kinda easy to predict, seeing how Big Boss never had a horn on his head in any of his prior appearances set after MG1. Not sure why everyone assumed it was some established character like Gray Fox or Decoy Octopus.
honestly glad that the children and retards think poorly of MGSV, they'll steer away from the next Kojima game and we can rebuild the fanbase
>>340695964
Have you ever been to TheSnakeSoup? Retards and children are the fanbase.
>le nuclear
>muh retarded fan theories didn't come true, would've been so much better hackijma lmao
>I'll never get over le disappointment ;_;
Fucking cringey as shit. V was solid as a motherfucker and unironically one of the best experiences I've had with a game in recent memory. I would say I feel sorry so many of you were, apparently, so soul crushingly let down but the fact of the matter is this post-release whining that will no doubt continue for years is just hypetards trying to relive hype nostalgia. Has little to nothing to do with the game itself.
Is MGO even still alive?
>>340692421
HERE, I REALIZE
>>340695241
Are you confused? Skull Face died. In MG2 he would be a ghost because he stays with Venom Snake. Not mgS2.
>>340691496
Yes.
You guys are in a ruse of a lifetime in E3, don't say I didn't tell you
>>340697264
You can find a game in the custom game list, but you wont be able to find one in the autosearch
Its very near death. The developers put in everything from MGO2 people wanted in MGO3 but it was too late. It shits they should have had day 1, didnt help they made those shitty rush maps and introduced classes.
Kojima wasn't even involved with it, so its no wonder it died.
>>340697467
Don't say shit like that without details and proof.
>>340692467
2013 Pre-GTAV was the last great vidya hype of all time unless e3 gives us something good, which we all know it probably wont.
>>340691496
>it's the MGSV was bad meme again
>>340697385
Confused about what you wanted. "The fight we never got with Skull Face" implies that there should've been a fight with him in V which is wrong. If you want to fight a spooky skeleton ghost in a final MG2 remake that's not going to happen, I don't really have anything to say about that.
>>340697467
>You guys are in a ruse of a lifetime in E3, don't say I didn't tell you
HAPPENING
>>340697698
>implies that there should've been a fight with him in V which is wrong
There should definitely have.
I'm talking about a dream game here. If they remade MG2 it would have all the additions from TPP. You'd fight Volgin too. And Quiet's story would get a decent conclusion.
>>340697804
No there shouldn't have. Just because he's the primary antagonist doesn't mean he should've been a boss. He's a schemer, not a soldier. As far as I know, there's nothing that indicates he's particularly good at fighting. Should there have been a boss fight with Zero? No.
>>340697804
A decent story for quiet would be her never existed
Most tacked on crap of all time in a MGS game
>>340695831
what the game was like =/= the whole scope of the game's mechanics used to their fullest in scripted sequences
>>340698172
What the fuck are you trying to say, that they lied? Like anything they showed was not representative of the game?
We had fucking hours of gameplay before the game released. Any disconnection between what you thought it was going to be like and what it was like is entirely because YOU made a mistake, not the game or its gameplay.
>>340698172
>the whole scope of the game's mechanics used to their fullest in scripted sequences
We had a massive amount of non scripted gameplay. Just because you're a moron doesnt mean everyone else is.
/v/ was calling out all the games flaws before it even released and was 100% right on all of them.
>>340698147
He is clearly supposed to be the opposite of Big Boss and he definitely could fight as Kaz said he was there in Russia the whole time in 3 and was sneaking and taking out extras even better than Snake because you never knew he was there.
>>340697595
Monster Hunter 4 holds that title IMO
>>340698718
He was the clean up crew. He's the opposite of Big Boss in the sense that Boss is the greatest soldier and Skullface is the greatest covert support operative.
>MFW Kojima blows everyone the fuck out and reveals the ruse
It's actually happening. Fucking finally, is /v/ going to be ready?
>>340691496
>yfw TPP was shit due to our society having stepped on a high-speed train heading to a mix of "Brave new world" and "1984".
>yfw some fat middle aged man in Langley came up with the concept of Quiet
>>340699113
He can still fight then. Logic dictates that he would be better than the average soldier or else there's no reason for him to be in charge.
>>340699941
If you think he can shoot a gun or perform CQC anywhere near The Boss's level, then you are wrong and entitled to your opinion that he should've been a boss.
>>340700086
There's literally nothing that says I'm wrong. Everything supports me.
>>340695885
why fukushima, why
>>340695885
Fukushima is Kojima's Phantom.
I really wished that the S3 plan theory was real.
>no Solid Snake unbeatable final boss
Fucking bullshit Kojima.
>>340693690
But they did. The empty expanses of nothing, the limited mission variety, the level design--these were all things that the demos hinted at to someone with a more realistic or skeptical expectations of the game. People were just too hyped to think there wasn't anything more to it.
>>340693374
What little there was left to tie together TPPdid actually tie together, though. There wasn't much left to say or do with Big Boss.
>>340696342
Ravi's pieces are all pretty reasonable, though I don't agree with him about everything.
>>340702123
Invading your FOB as Solid Snake for the finale could've been pretty sweet. Sorta like "you built this, now conquer it."
>>340697595
GTA V was such a fucking disappointment for me.
>>340702123
That's what happens when you try to shoehorn more "missing links" when MGS3 (and to a lesser extent, MPO) established more or less everything you needed to know about Big Boss.
>>340693869
What an awful idea.
>>340691496
>I THOUGHT I COULD FORGET ABOUT MGSV TPP AFTER THE BULLSHIT WITH KONAMI
FUCK YOU OP FUCK YOU
>>340702338
A Final Link To End The Chain!
>>340701860
What would be the point of that? Just go play MG1. It's rough around the edges at times but pretty good. More fan pandering was the last thing the series needed.
>>340702267
I always found him to be more pretentious and smug than smart. I'm not surprised he's allowing SolidKenny to write guest articles for the Soup. Also, that MGSV documentary that Ravi had an unbearable soundtrack.
>>340702338
MG2 established everything we needed to know about Big Boss. MGS3 just expanded on him in a way that for the most part wasn't egregious.
>>340691496
Yup. I have Nuclear and other songs on my iPod, I usually skip them when they show up on shuffle. But sometimes I let them play out and try to remember the old days.
>>340702638
That's just his voice and sense of humor. I've had conversations with him. He's easy to get along with.
As for the soundtrack, do you mean the mixing? I wish the music was more quiet relative to his voice. He did that shit with his MGS2 video, too.
>when people thought you killed Skullface halfway through and he starts haunting you
>>340703045
Well, to be fair, the second half of the game after that is just straight up missing, so that could be true.
>>340695241
Skullface was in the SAS
>>340703045
That shit would've been crazy. Hell, I think doing some flashback sequences of MGS3 where you'd maybe catch glimpses of him would've been interesting.
Even with the amount of content in the game right now they should have cut in half the amount of necessary missions. Put all the real story ones in there and forget most of the abduct or get rid of randos. A few in there is fine but most of the main missions are no different from the side missions. Making it so that the time between real scenes of story isn't so long would really increase how you perceive the game.
>>340702687
MG2 set up his character quite well, but MGS3 provided him a clearer motivation and having as a young idealistic rookie served as a nice contrast to the Colonel Kurtz-esque warmonger he was in MG2.
The problem is that MGS3 left little room to explore Big Boss's character even further. Kojima (and Fukushima) even went as far as to retcon Big Boss's manual bio from MG2 so we could have that dramatic "losing his eye" moment in the jail cell. I'm sure Kojima would've saved that for a later game if he knew he would be doing PW and V later on.
>>340702525
KOJIMAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
G-guys, V was just the sidegame. MGS5 is the real game made by the real team coming this year, now that the sidegame is out of the way.When people said shit like this last September.
I wish the Quiet = Chico theory had been real.
Think about it. It's the most retarded plot twist created by a /v/irgin pretending to be retarded, and yet it would have been so much better than anything we actually got.
>>340701860
>no ending of any kind
>>340692467
Fuck you horsefucker
>>340703398
Honestly anything would be better than he just dies in a helicopter and his sister doesn't even get involved regardless.
>>340703398
No.
>>340703359
>but MGS3 provided him a clearer motivation and having as a young idealistic rookie served as a nice contrast to the Colonel Kurtz-esque warmonger he was in MG2.
I'm not saying it didn't work, just that it wasn't necessary. His projection into Solid Snake made his motivations and problems pretty clear.
>>340702525
Literally what in the fuck am I reading here?
Fucking can't wait for Kojima to just straight up die so these bullshit convoluted fan theories can stop for good.
>>340703478
Did you say Joost thread
>>340703605
You must be fun at parties.
>>340703605
Just retards being retards. This is a fraction of what it was like during the "sick ass hype threads".
Even though V is a great game 4 is just such a perfect wrap up to the series I wish it ended there. You couldn't ask for a more poetic conclusion than that.
>2013
>see post with theory that Snake is actually the medic in GZ that has had plastic surgery and hypnosis to look, sound, speak and behave exactly like snake
>think to myself 'haha what a fucking retarded theory'
>>340703605
>>340703794
>fraction
>>340703605
>Fucking can't wait for Kojima to just straight up die so these bullshit convoluted fan theories can stop for good.
They'll probably just make up theories about Kojima faking his death to promote his next game.
Most bitching about MGSV is unrelated to what it is and is just fags complaining it wasn't what they wanted to be.
It's basically MGS2 all over again.
>>340703903
But MGS2 actually turned out fantastic, whether we're talking story or gameplay. MGSV was bad in both regards.
>>340703605
you think this will actually die with Kojima?
>>340703723
>Pointing out something you dislike makes you a killjoy.
Do you even understand the level of irony in your post? Or are you too busy being so passive aggressive that your balls just hit your intestines?
>>340703903
I thought most people were bitching about the anti-climatic ending, repeated missions and cut content.
>>340703967
See you in 3 years with your changed parroted opinion
kek
>>340703967
But anon, MGS2 is terrible.
>>340703846
It's so fucking clear in hindsight too. Their voices are the same. It doesn't get any clearer than that.
>>340704024
>parroted
Or maybe it's just that everyone agrees. Maybe you'll be the one with the changed opinion.
>>340703967
>MGSV
>Bad gameplay
Objectively false
>>340704052
Tbh they really shouldn't have credited the Medic's voice actor, that made it pretty easy for these people to figure out.
>>340704085
We'll see about that now, won't we :^)
>>340695885
Fuck off with the Fukushima meme. Say what you will about MGS4 and PW, but they were complete stories and they were entertaining stories. MGSV was frustrating and incomplete.
>>340704140
"objectively"
>>340704162
But the masses didn't figure it out. Only a few people did and some of them probably weren't looking at the voice. The ruse was totally successful.
>>340694605
Time to complete =\= depth
>>340704140
It's literally casualized PW with less content and a fuckhuge open world. It's fun but it's objectively a step in the wrong direction.
>>340704049
Why do you say that?
>>340704437
So where is the depth?
>>340704248
I actually thought MGS4 and PW had pretty boring stories. MGS4 was bogged down by boring fanwank and tedious elaboration, and PW just felt redundant. I really enjoyed the art direction of PW's cut scenes, though.
>>340704456
>casualized PW with less content
The opposite of true.
>>340704638
>MGS4 was bogged down by boring fanwank and tedious elaboration
This. It's like they had to justify the fact that they made MGS3 a prequel by making Naked Snake's goofy support crew into the people behind the Patriots in MGS2. MGS3 was better when it was standing on its own.
>>340704009
>repeated missions
Never forced to play them.
>cut content
Exists, but exaggerated because people didn't like the ending and the episodic nature of the game enables their delusions.
>Anti-climactic ending
I don't think it's anticlimactic, but that's opinions I guess
>>340704395
Yeah but there still were people figuring it out, and anyone with the patience to wait through some credits could have seen it themselves. Someone out there surely had the twist ruined a year before the game even came out due to a single name in the credits sequence.
>>340705010
>Exists, but exaggerated because people didn't like the ending and the episodic nature of the game enables their delusions.
Cutting out the Kingdom of the Flies mission was bullshit though.
>I don't think it's anticlimactic, but that's opinions I guess
Replaying the prologue with slight changes to the cutscenes isn't exactly what I would call climatic. The body double reveal could've been done a better way.
>>340704950
MGS4 was literally made to be backhanded appeasement of the idiot fans who didn't get that MGS2 was never meant to be resolved, and it's why most of the answers are ridiculous and unsatisfying.
>>340704162
>Tbh they really shouldn't have credited the Medic's voice actor,
They never did. People only find out it was Kiefer by changing the pitch of his voice.
>>340705340
I thought it was because Kojima lost his original co-writer.
>>340704657
Go compare PW's outer op and extra op variety to TPP's yourself you fucking numbskull. Try looking at the item lists for each game and see for yourself how similar they are, and how TPP's list is bloated by guns that are basically reskins with different stats. Tell me how buddies don't suck all of the difficulty out of any mission.
>b-but you don't have to use them
And you don't have to shoot yourself in the head for being such a fucking disgrace but you should anyway.
>>340705340
Most people are aware of this, but even with this in mind the game makes a lot of bizarre narrative decisions with bad ideas in general.
>>340705472
triggered autist
>>340704638
>>340704950
>>340705340
>>340705462
You could at least admit that it was written to appeal to fans instead of Kojima himself. Nobody wanted what TPP gave us in terms of story. For fuck's sake, the game's main twist only existed to retcon MGS4's retcon of an event that didn't need any further explanation.
>>340705370
That's weird I could have sworn I'd seen a screenshot that credited medic before but it doesn't appear to be there now
>>340705721
If you think MGSV only exists to explain why Big Boss is alive in Metal Gear 2, you're an idiot who didn't understand it. Honestly, while it's not perfect, I find the story we ultimately got to be much more interesting than seeing Big Boss turning into a mustache twirling 8 bit cartoon villain.
Kojima as an artist starts with a central message he wants to explore and then writes the story around it. He never cared about the overarching timeline, and when he does, you get shit like MGS4.
>>340705721
>You could at least admit that it was written to appeal to fans instead of Kojima himself.
That doesn't make it any better. TPP isn't lacking in dumb fan-pandering anyway, despite its very misleading trailers.
The game's main twist existed as a way of working the idea of a player avatar into the story. The entire point of TPP (for better or worse) is emphasizing player agency. Venom Snake was a way of providing "Big Boss" without any dissonance with player actions, and also served as a way for Kojima to (lazily) acknowledge the player's role in the series' legacy. I don't think Kojima really gave a fuck about Big Boss surviving MG1. If he did he would have dealt with it in MGS4.
>>340697467
>E3
Dude.
Ever since last March it was obvious they were just doing it for giggles.
>tfw people who write off MGS4 as some half-assed answer to MGS2 literally dont get it
>>340705885
>He never cared about the overarching timeline
If this were true he wouldn't frequently demand the player observe connections between games. Moreover, he could have just abandoned the continuity entirely in favor of totally new stuff, not unlike his initial suggestion for MGS5 at the time of MGS4's release. You're not wrong about his priorities, but the fact Kojima tries to have his cake and eat it too is why the series narrative turned into such a dull, soapy clusterfuck (even on a game-by-game basis).
>>340706054
He dealt with it ages ago.
>Kasler: OK, OK... but this is only a rumor, understand? Three years ago, when Outer Heaven fell, Big Boss was seriously wounded. He almost died... He lost both hands, both feet, his right eye, and his right ear. But somehow... he survived. Then an Eastern bloc despot took an interest in him. Probably couldn't resist getting his hands on a soldier of Big Boss's caliber. They decided to use Big Boss as a guinea pig in Madnar's snatcher project. I don't know the details, but apparently it involved turning him into a cyborg. Now he's half man and half machine. Hard to believe, I know. But if it is true, Snake, you're way out of your league. None of your current techniques is [sic] going to so much as put a scratch on him. Snake... give it up... There's no way you can win this time... Over and out.
>>340706329
That's pretty much what it is though, even if it had some of its own ideas mixed in. Kojima himself admitted he only made MGS4 as a way of addressing dissatisfaction.
>>340705079
But the grand majority of people didn't. Someone's always going to figure it out. And you can't just not credit someone for their work.
>>340706560
You will need sauce for the claim.
IMO MGS4 is more of a celebration of the spirit of MGS while reiterating the points of two within a different context. It has its points but you have to be open to see them. If any game is the superficial one it's 3.
>>340706456
I'm familiar. MG2 is a personal favorite. My point is that if he thought the original plot points were unsatisfactory he would have probably addressed it during one of MGS4's many power point lessons instead of contriving a new character to dedicate to it with MGSV.
>>340705472
>Tell me how buddies don't suck all of the difficulty out of any mission.
Saying it had less mechanics and then pointing out added mechanics because "Not as hard".
>b-but you don't have to use them
But I will use them because they're fun as fuck with tons of extra mechanics in each buddy and gameplay isn't all about difficulty.
>>340705885
>>340706054
My point about the twist only existing for that purpose is not about Kojima's intent, but the way it fits into the series. It's fucking pointless regardless of what "theme" Kojima wanted to "explore". That is not important and you can fuck right off if you say that you don't "get" Metal Gear if you suggest otherwise because all of the other games had their own themes and messages and didn't sacrifice actual storytelling to achieve that.
>Kojima went way over budget and ran very late with MGS4 release
>Does it again for PW but not as bad
>Konami finds gold in mobile games and slots
>Kojima begins to fuck around with his budget and release
>NOPE.AVI from Konami
>MGSV split in two games and hard release with half baked game
>>340705838
There were several hoax images around the time Ground Zeroes came out.
>>340705079
>Someone out there surely had the twist ruined a year before the game even came out due to a single name in the credits sequence.
But the Medic wasn't credited in Ground Zeroes.
>>340706769
I didn't say it had less mechanics, I said it had less content. My point about buddies had NOTHING to do with my complaint about MGSV being lacking in content but with the casualization of the game.
>>340706685
>Once again I'd intended for MGS3 to wrap up the series, but so many people wanted to know what happened after "2". Things like the identity of the Patriots and so forth. I had planned on leaving those mysteries as mysteries, but people weren't convinced that the series was wrapped up.
>So ultimately we ended up making "4". When work started on it, though, I began to wonder if my message of what we should pass on to future generations had truly gotten through, both to players and my team. After all, I've been conscious of the fact that this really is going to be my final Metal Gear, which means the team is going to have to continue the series themselves after I step away.
At the same time it does go out of its way to be as self-obsessed and fanwanking as possible by referencing other games in the series through contrived ways though. If that's what you mean by a celebration of "spirit."
>>340691496
The game was basically what they showed on trailers. You probably made up a different story and progression in your mind.
MGS2 had a much, much worse story.
>>340706814
Let's be honest, you would have been triggered by MGS2 if you played it when it came out, as you wouldn't have had Matthewmatosis and Super Bunnyhop to explain it to you.
>HURR DURR WHO'S THIS FAGGOT RAIDEN WHY AREN'T I BADASS SOLID SNAKE WHERE'S MY REAL SEQUEL KOJIMMMMMMMAAAAAAA
>>340706957
>A conclusion cant honor what came before
???
Its not even that big of a deal since each game already referenced the hell out of each one that came before
>>340706937
And you're still wrong. TPP had a ton more content than Peace Walker. It's pretty much a direct upgrade.
>>340706997
>The game was basically what they showed on trailers. You probably made up a different story and progression in your mind.
That's pretty much most of the complaints in this thread. There were deluded fanboys who seriously expected the game ending with Solid Snake infiltrating the player's Mother Base and taking out Venom, even though everyone who played Metal Gear 1 knows that Outer Heaven was located in South Africa.
>>340707002
>Let's be honest, you would have been triggered by MGS2
If you have to invoke MGS2 to defend MGSV you're doing it wrong. It's not as if MGS2 is so subtle it requires a YouTube video explanation anyway. It's possible to believe that MGS2 is more successful at what it does than MGSV is at what it does. You realize this, right? There's no metaphysical contradiction there.
>>340692497
;_;7
>>340703605
>implying his death won't start a generation long ruse cruise that draws in not only fans of the series, not even only the gaming industry, but the entire first world
Even the cruise itself is a ruse, you just wait until we get off
>>340707086
I'm saying it "honored" what came before in heavy-handed ways that hurt the story. This is not an issue that games prior to MGS4 had.
>>340707257
>Outer Heaven was located in South Africa
Zaire/DRC isn't that far from South Africa.
>>340707002
Again, it's not about not understanding it. MGS2 had a complete story and furthered the plot. MGSV was literally incomplete, it did almost nothing to fill out holes in the timeline like a prequel should, and the ending you do get is meaningless in terms of relevance to the series.
>>340707646
>furthered the plot
MGS2 is literally about how fictional narrative doesn't matter you stupid fuck, what's important are the experiences you had playing the game and the message you drew from it.
Holy shit are you fuckers dense. Metal Gear isn't a fucking documentary over a fictional timeline.
>>340707515
If there was anything that hurt the story it was trying to reconcile the events of Snake Eater with Solid Snakes timeline, which gave birth to the worst chapter of the game, bullshit like Johnny was rather benign and the REX vs RAY fight was the hypest shit
>>340707774
And again, it delivered its message AND had a satisfying story that furthered the plot. What are you not getting?
>That is not important and you can fuck right off if you say that you don't "get" Metal Gear if you suggest otherwise because all of the other games had their own themes and messages and didn't sacrifice actual storytelling to achieve that.
>>340707791
There wasn't any issue with reconciliation, aside from some mild retconning regarding Big Boss's history. The issue was trying to inflate the relevance of MGS3 when it was already plenty relevant enough. Then you had stupid shit like Meryl returning, Naomi returning, Mei Ling returning, Raiden being a robo-ninja just like Gray Fox, revisiting an empty Shadow Moses, Big Boss being alive. MGS4 was a mess of fanwankery in all the worst ways.
>>340707520
Yeah, but Venom's Mother Base is in the middle of the ocean. I'm assuming fans were expecting MB to be relocated in the middle of South Africa though.
Honestly, it would've made more sense if the actual Mother Base was South Africa, while the ocean base was for the FOB. Having the FOB be a carbon copy of the Mother Base made it feel rather redundant.
>>340707646
>the ending you do get is meaningless in terms of relevance to the series.
I swear the faggots that go "YOU KNOW THE ONE THING I NEVER UNDERSTOOD IS HOW DID BIG BOSS SURVIVE MY ATARI 2600 GAME PLOT" are being paid by ***someone***.
>>340708135
>hen you had stupid shit like Meryl returning, Naomi returning, Mei Ling returning, Raiden being a robo-ninja just like Gray Fox, revisiting an empty Shadow Moses, Big Boss being alive
The only thing wrong with any of this was Big boss being alive, it was a good scene but pretty much nullified any impact of all that came before it.
If the credits rolled after Snake pulled the trigger, it would have been 10/10
>>340708252
What?
>>340708279
Really? Awkwardly shoehorned characters for the sake of fan recognition is okay? Whatever floats your boat.
>>340708047
You are just mad that MGSV was its own thing instead of autistically tying up a loose end to an 8 bit MSX game
>>340708279
Every character in MGS4 is a flanderized, shitty version of their former selves and that you can't recognize that shows how big of a pleb you are
>>340704049
You have automatic shit taste. MGS2 was the best out of all the bird's eye view MGSs next to Ghost Babel.
>>340702525
this is no longer funny. just carbon copy of last meme.
>>340707002
i played metal gear solid collection on ps2 without reading anything
mgs2 was my fav for a long time. honestly mgs1 + mgs2 are amazing together and mgs2 is a marvelous sequel
mgs3 is a 10/10 as well but they lost their eye for detail and went simple
>>340708473
MGS2 and Ghost Babel are the best Metal Gear games period for me. MG2 comes in third.
this entire thread:
my opinion > your opinion
my fanfiction > your fanfiction
I hope Kojima never makes another game so you faggots can finally be at ease and kill yourselves
>>340708397
>its shoehorned because I say it is
Can you name even one problem with the presence of Mei Ling, Naomi, Meryl and Raiden without going into stupid shit like "it dosent fit their characters" or "its pure fanservice"? I dont think so. And trust me if you actually pay attention to those characters in MGS1/2 then how they appear in MGS4 will make perfect sense.
You wanna know whats fucked up? MGS3 support team being the Illuminati, that was hogshit that had no business even being in the game..
It's been awhile since an all brand new everything game really was successful financially and clever in its design direction, GTA4 with its shiny engine stuff only rings a bell
>>340695486
OF THE CRATER
guys lets be fucking real
MGS2 killed the series by being too good for modern gaming at the time
MGS3 came as a result but the ripples of MGS2 forever changed not only public opinion but the people involved in production. it definately gave Kojima proof he could just do ruse bullshit at will. it also made them afraid to try anything new like with MGS2 (spare MGS3s MGO)
MGO2 was the only 11/10 thing after MGS2
>>340708445
I'm mad that MGSV sacrificed "its own thing" in favor of tying up a loose end in an MSX game that was already tied up in its own sequel.
>>340708745
>Naomi
In MGS1 she has an actual stake in what's going on and the theme of the game. The theme of GENE fits just as much with Naomi as it does the Twin Snakes; her past was robbed from her by Gray Fox and Big Boss, so she seeks to study genes so she can better understand herself. But, like Snake, she realizes that her genes don't matter and what's more important is the person she is now. Her final message to Snake, that he should go on living despite his death sentence, is uplifting as fuck.
In MGS4 she's just there to spout buzzwords about FATE and DESTINY and SINS OF THE PAST and stupid bullshit, she has no thematic or logical connection to anything that happens besides her newfound science superpowers because she's apparently a world class computer hacker now.
>Meryl
In MGS1 she's a rookie who serves as a direct opposite to Snake. Snake is an old jaded killer who keeps killing people because it's all he knows how to do, and his influence on Meryl makes her realize there's more to life than war; Meryl, likewise, encourages Snake to "go on living, and not give up on people"
In MGS4 she's generic butch tough soldier with generic daddy issues and she fucks Liquid Poop because I guess that's funny ahahahaha
>Raiden
HURR DURR YOU DIDN'T LIKE RAIDEN IN MGS2? NOW HE BADASS NINJA HAHAHAH DIDJU RIKE EET?
>MGS3 support team being the Illuminati
done because idiots wanted the Patriots to be given an identity when literally the entire point was that they're formless. Kojima had no alternative.
Now quit shilling for MGS4 and realize it's a piece of shit. Even Kojima didn't like it.
>>340709223
>I'm mad that MGS4 sacrificed "its own thing" in favor of tying up a loose end in a PS2 game that wasnt even a loose end to begin with
>tfw the last MGS that probably had its own fully realized concept was Peace Walker
>>340709223
Again, if you really think MGSV was written solely to explain Big Boss in Metal Gear 2, you are the biggest fucking retard and you'd probably do the world a favor by removing yourself from the gene pool.
>>340708745
It's shoehorned because their characters fit into the story in unnatural ways. Remember how MGS2 ends with Raiden affirming his life and deciding to work towards a better future for himself? Now he's a boring tortured ninja for the sake of flashiness and because people complained he wasn't badass enough. What about Meryl's realization that she didn't HAVE to be a soldier just because of her family? Too bad, she's back as the leader of a unit that features a flat joke character that she ends up marrying after a series of grating interactions. Also, Mei Ling is now the captain of a ship with convenient utility for Snake and Otacon. Swell. But even if you don't see any contradictions in their roles or behavior, for the most part they don't lend anything to the story. They're just there because they're recognizable characters. There's no coherence. But hey, references are cool right?
I bet you think Anakin building C3PO was super clever.
>>340709326
Meryl was always a shitty kid that should've went to college instead of the military, but with the help of nanomachines she got her wish of being solider girl and became smug as fuck.
Raiden made his decision in life and got fucked over, what happened to him was a simple A-B progression. Nobody said his life was going to be peachy after MGS2.
I actually agree with Naomi, in that she's lumped in with the Patriots nonsense out of nowhere so her whole situation gets twisted.
I'm glad we agree Mei Ling was perhaps the most inoffensive.
>>340709223
Venom Snake was poorly executed idea with little thematic resonance, but explaining Big Boss's survival wasn't the point of his existence. See >>340706054
>>340709623
damn man the 3po thing
underrated
MGS4 has good gameplay, I love a lot of the weapons and I was more dissapointed with the major lack of cool fun weapons In MGSV. MGS4 had way more in terms of variety.
Sun gun
puppets
tornado gun
huge railgun from mgs2 (actually a good reference)
emotion bullets
RIP Metal Gear
Atleast you didnt get it as bad as Thief
>>340709828
>Venom Snake was poorly executed idea with little thematic resonance
It's funny how people say this, but Venom himself is actually pretty important to the game's story. He and Skull Face are meant to be reflections of one another.
"FROM FOX, TWO PHANTOMS WERE BORN" was not just a cool marketing tagline.
>>340709661
You can explain these things away. You can explain anything away ultimately--it's fiction. The question is what these developments and their inclusion really do for the story. The answer is not much. They bloat an already clumsily narcissistic game even more.
>>340710116
I didn't say he wasn't important, just that his character fails to be resonant/affecting. There's some rumination on lost and appropriated identity in there, but I think it falls flat for the most part.
>>340695427
Did some retard also direct PW too?
>>340710129
Consider the context of the game, it was supposed to be /the ending/, so they went all out. And thematically it was an echo of MGS2 but with an updated context. They got heavy into that shit in other ways aside from the characters.
Of course he had to pussy out once again and make Peace Walker, but by then its very clear he already blew his load as far as MGS went. This happened perhaps all the way back in MGS2 for how much the series actually progressed, it was the last one with a real message and didnt just either mindlessly ape what came before, or say "do you get it now, guys?".
>>340710286
>just that his character fails to be resonant/affecting. There's some rumination on lost and appropriated identity in there, but I think it falls flat for the most part.
There's only so much you can do when he's literally meant to be the player, and I think the Paz subplot did enough for me about the lost and confused nature of someone having two different sets of memories conflicting with one another.
>>340697467
Just move on already man.
>>340710436
>And thematically it was an echo of MGS2 but with an updated context.
It really isn't, though. MGS2 was an extended study of the relationship between player and avatar, a look at the conflict between a character within the universe who is controlled by external forces. The game outright tells you that the fictional timeline doesn't matter and what's important is what you took away from the experience. It is a game about video games.
Metal Gear Solid 4 is about fucking explaining EVERYTHING down to the last detail and it treats the subject matter completely seriously within the context of its own universe.
>>340703723
Pretty you'd get kicked out of a party fast if you walked in rambling these insane theories to everyone as if they give a flying h*ck.
>>340709370
>I'm mad that MGS4 sacrificed "its own thing" in favor of tying up a loose end in a PS2 game that wasnt even a loose end to begin with
I already addressed that MGS4 had its share of that shit. MGSV is worse because it goes back to the same shit MGS4 already needlessly retconned.
>>340709404
>>340709828
The fucking issue is that in this scenario the message takes priority where previous games managed that without fucking up their own stories. How many times do I have to say it?
finally got around to playing GZ
it looked amazing but the mechanics are kinda bad especially since I fell for the gamepad meme. I piled up a bunch of sleeping guards and then they woke up and called for reinforcements. It's too easy and boring to just kill everyone. In fact after Irescued PazI got spotted by a tank right in front of me and literally just ran past it and a bunch of guards straight to the ocean LZ and completed the mission anyway
also I had a kek at thethere's a bomb in my pussyending
and I looked up the backstory to the music theme and got mad at retarded "anarchists" and libtards who defend terrorism
>>340708941
I gotta add that of course they jumped the shark with all that open world shit, it should've clearly been a bunch of camp omega segments stitched together, instead they made an embarrassing rdr clone. It was overly ambitious for what they were prepared to do and in result only gives minor replayability in the way they milked objectives, mission 34 being the best example in my personal opinion. However this game is not all frowns from a design perspective, as the gameplay fundamentals are nearly perfect and FOB missions are a fantastic concept that clearly was an underdeveloped aspect and its artificial difficulty for the most part. I can really imagine a fantastic metal gear 1 and 2 remake with a sprawling base and city respectively. I enjoy the game very much don't get me wrong, plenty of cool moments but you can tell the level design was simply uncapitalized and the ability to approach a shack from 360 degrees from a mile out doesn't change the fact there is one door and window to climb through to the objectiv
>>340710720
>It really isn't, though. MGS2 was an extended study of the relationship between player and avatar.
Look at Old Snake
>a look at the conflict between a character within the universe who is controlled by external forces.
Lol do you recall the intro to the game?
It took alot of what MGS2 did and made them more concrete, while sending everything down a very narrow path to hit the point of "Let it Go"
Thats exactly why everything was explained, that's exactly why Drebin has that stupid fucking monkey, because at that point Kojima didn't even trust the players enough to get what he's been trying to say ever since MGS2. He had to turn up the volume to such an extreme because his players are clearly a bunch of illiterates. So in the end Big Boss exhumes himself and says it all, to the player and Snake
Let it fucking go.
>>340711083
>where previous games managed that without fucking up their own stories
Except there really isn't anything wrong with MGSV's story, at least not to the extent you are claiming. You're mad it doesn't fit with MUH TIMELINE (as if retcons aren't par for the course in this series) and it wasn't your own preconceived notion of what Big Boss' fall was.
>>340711140
>ending
don't remind me
>>340711140
>got mad at retarded "anarchists" and libtards who defend terrorism
So executing innocent people is okay because of their political beliefs? Okay fascist.
>>340703903
>and is just fags complaining it wasn't what they wanted to be.
Yeah I wanted a game that doesn't fucking stop out of no where and make me replay an hour long tutorial again as the final mission button prompts and all.
>>340711659
>innocent
except all the stuff I read suggests they were involved with the robbery/murder and then their acquaintance killed dozens of people in the wall street bombing as retaliation
>hurr we have the right to bomb random people because it's our ideology
even worse he ties it to Islamic terrorism at the end
Here's a fun thought experiment. Can you defend MGSV's piss poor writing without saying "Kojima's intent", "Theme", or "You just didn't understand x"?
>>340711507
But there are many things wrong with MGSV's story. The rushed ending for the first half, the actual ending being cut from the game, the hamfisted reveal of the main twist, the blatant disregard for almost all of the established characters up to that point aside from Huey, the way 90% of the game's story was tucked into audio files. The retcon itself isn't even the problem, it's that outside of the FUCKING MEANINGLESS meta narrative bullshit you MGS2 faggots will not shut the goddamn fuck up about, said retcon is the only thing of relevance to fucking anything. The game's story is a backstory for a character who didn't exist up to that point, half the characters who did exist at that point were ignored, most of the ones who weren't had their cameo packed away into audio tapes, and the ones who weren't didn't even act like themselves aside from Huey.
>>340692648
>mfw all of those emotional Miller lines from the E3 2013 trailer came 5 minutes after rescuing him
>rest of the game he's just an angry cripple with one or two memorable lines left to say
>>340710101
>MGS4 has good gameplay
Too bad the level design after act 2 completely throws away a lot of the cool new mechanics it introduced. If 4 stuck with the idea of sneaking in the middle of an armed conflict with levels that had multiple routes it would have been one of the best games ever.
>peace walker on the psp had great side op variety like shooting soldiers floating away on balloons monster hunter and shootouts with up to 50 dudes
>mgsv
>collect the mines 01
>collect the mines 02
>collect the mines 03
>extract the HIGHLY SKILLED SOLDIER (is actually D rank) 01-20
>extract prisoner 01-20
>>340712310
Reminder that these are the people that defend MGS4 while pointing out all the flaws in V's story.
It comes down to the same thing EVERY time. Autists mad that a story that doesn't need to be fucking explained didn't get explained.
>MUH KID FOX HOUND
>MUH VULCAN RAVEN EAR TUGGING COMPETITION CUTSCENE
>MUH MGS 4 SHIPPING OF ALL MY FAVORITE PAIRS
>MUH BIG BOSS DIDNT HAVE THE HIGH GROUND VS SOLID SNAKE CUTSCENE
>MUH 5 HOURS OF GAMEPLAY, 10 HOURS OF CUTSCENES
V's vacuum story is light years ahead of the garbage that was in 4. any real mgs fan would understand that and stop being asshurt that the stupid garbage canon was dropped as the main focal point of the game.
>>340712752
Outer ops was better too. MGSV's is pure RNG, PW's was all about team building.
>>340708618
that's some prettyimpeccabletaste, anon
>>340695831
are you being intellectually dishonest or are you a total fucktard?
I keep seeing everyone post about what could have been, but I hardly ever see anyone say what exactly MGSV could have done to live up to its hype
>>340712859
I didn't say that MGS4 had a good story, I said it had a better story. It has a purpose as a story. MGSV doesn't. It is a complete story. MGSV isn't.
>the cutscene complaint again
Fucking skip them if you don't want to watch them. At least MGS4 has that option instead of you having to hear the plot related codecs EVERY fucking time you do a mission in MGSV, and having to watch the same helicopter landing every time you do a mission or go back to base.
>>340691496
>sold off my copy because I was so salty
>kinda want to play again
>>340712859
finally someone who fucking gets it
>>340712310
I've been getting a fucking headache arguing with this retard lmao
>>340691496
LOVE
HURTS SO BAD
>>340712859
>MUH KID FOX HOUND
>MUH VULCAN RAVEN EAR TUGGING COMPETITION CUTSCENE
>MUH MGS 4 SHIPPING OF ALL MY FAVORITE PAIRS
>MUH BIG BOSS DIDNT HAVE THE HIGH GROUND VS SOLID SNAKE CUTSCENE
So you never actually herd someone talk about why MGSV is bad
>>340701114
It would be brilliant, leading to a second round of purchases for the game.
>>340713217
Trying to come up with a better response than "too deep for you!!!" gives you a headache? That kind of explains everything.
>>340709661
>Raiden made his decision in life and got fucked over
I think I've seen you make this same point in another thread and I still don't quite get it. Nobody fucked him over except the writers. He had literally everything set for a life where he was in control and then unexplained repressed PTSD strikes and turns him into an alcoholic who runs away from his unborn child.
Saying it's a simple progression is like saying Big Boss from MG1 to MG2 is simple progression. Nobody said he wasn't going to be turned into a cyborg and brought back to lifeor whatever the fuck V did
>>340713469
>He had literally everything set for a life where he was in control and then unexplained repressed PTSD strikes and turns him into an alcoholic who runs away from his unborn child.
Perhaps getting turned into a talking head would have something to do with that.
>>340713387
So we're gonna pretend like mgs faggots aren't constantly in threads asking for this garbage? I've literally seen people referencing how neat vulcan raven is cuz of ear pulling, and how it sucks that we didn't get to see him, or baby fox hound members.
Fuck off.
>>340713590
Every single decent discussion on MGSV I've seen include none of that bullshit. People who actually wanted to see FOXHOUND in MGSV dont know what the fuck they're thinking anyways.
>>340711929
>except all the stuff I read suggests they were involved with the robbery/murder and then their acquaintance killed dozens of people in the wall street bombing as retaliation
Evidence that actually connected them to that didn't pop up until after they were already executed which is what the outrage of the case was about. People weren't pissed because they thought they were innocent or guilty, they were pissed because two people got killed due to a highly biased ruling based on their political beliefs which goes against our justice system's principal of innocent until proven guilty.
>>340713559
that's the funny part, the body switch only happens after he's turned into a little bitch and left rose. He then decides to cover for snake, who used to be an unstoppable hero who did the impossible but is now old and tired, and search for Olga's child. Then he's captured, experimented on, and turned into a cyborg.
He lasts a full half week living his life and writing his legacy before the writers decided they can't be doin with that and turned him back into a tool.
>>340713725
there are thousands of cases people can nitpick about
>dude the law isn't perfect
>what a great opportunity to spread my edgelord ideology and kill people over it
>I am totally in the right fuck the system xD
>judge ended up making the right call anyway
fuck anarchist pieces of shit
>>340713947
Like I said, he made his decision and paid the price. Your "living his life and writing his legacy" does not mean everything is magically all hunky dory with Rose, hell they hardly had a proper resolution at the end of MGS2, he just wanted to see her alive.
>>340713994
>nitpick
Sending two people to their death because you disagree with them politically is a pretty big thing to do m8y. I think anarchism is retarded but siding with that decision sets a horrible precedent that could bite you in the ass in the future.
so did any good mod's ever come out
>>340714108
>he made his decision and paid the price
at which part? Do you seriously not see how contrived it was? They had to have raiden completely negate his motivation at the end of 2, almost entirely revert his character arc during 2, and put snake out of commission just to create a context in which things would play out like that. There was no choice, it was like a lynch mob to the game's philosophy.
>hell they hardly had a proper resolution at the end of MGS2
that was the entire point of the scene. The fact that they decided to keep the story going, and decided to do so with such shitty writing, is just disappointing. Consider that the questions that they were raising at that moment weren't "Will Raiden be able to adjust to married life?" or "Is Raiden fit to be a father?", but instead "Is that the real Rose?" or "Has any of this really happened?". If your entire argument is based on the fact that they can create a context for 4 to happen, then you're right, they absolutely can. That doesn't mean that what they set out to do with 4 wasn't entirely opposite to the mission they gave the player at the end of 2, perhaps intentionally so.
>>340714475
a jury thought they did it and they probably did. The violent reaction and murder against actually innocent people by their followers only proved them right.
terrorists should all hang imo
>>340692467
DELETE THIS
>>340714838
This. Did they at least hack the Cyprus hospital sequence into a fully explorable map?
>>340695885
>starting a cult of personality around someone based off assumptions and hype is retarded, don't worship Kojima blindly
>okay worship Fukushima instead
fukushimafags are the people they claim to hate
