>/v/ says a game is bad
>play it
>it's good
>>340657937
>shitty and copypasta bosses
>dlc without story and new dialogs
>>340657937
everyone on /v/ assumes that not as good means completely shit
>>340658060
>dlc without story and new dialogs
>implying
>>340657937
>you must have at least 23 ADP to get good i-frames
>every single build
>soul memory pvp shit
>hitboxes are fucking shit
>>340657937
>not as good means shit XDDDD
>>340658335
>not as good means shit XDDDD
>>340657937Mass Effect 3
>>340657937
It is inferior to Dark Souls 1.
People who play souls games have high standards.
What's a bad game to souls players is a good game compared to everything else.
I enjoyed it, it wasn't as good as Dark Souls though.
>>340658060
>shitty and copypasta bosses
>dlc without story and new dialogs
Holy shit are you blind? OP is talking about Dark Souls 2 not Dark Souls.
>>340658405
>needing i-frames to play the game
git good shitter
>soul memory pvp shit
>mommy help me i suck at the game and the game is punishing me
git good shitter
>>340657937
Skyrim
>>340658583
>literally defending ADP and soul memory based pvp
>>340658529
I vomited when they put Asylum Demon in 3. Jesus fuck you nip hacks.
Explain this
>>340658527
>It is inferior to Dark Souls 1.
It is superior to it in every way.Remove those nostalgia glasses.
>>340658583
You might actually be retarded
Whatever the mechanics where, atleast the feminine boipussy game was solid.
>>340658709
It's a floating island
>>340658709
Ash/Smouldering Lake is the same. Souls games just don't make sense.
Well, for sure its better than the third
pic unrelated?
>>340658709
>he needs an explanation in a fantasy world
>for all he knows he passes trough a portal without even noticing it
>the secret lore /v/ had no idea about
I did play DS2 and there was no floating lava mountain in the sky.So teleportation it is.
>>340658734
>haha lol just going to post a stupid controversial post with no real arguments
Remove your carotid artery
>>340658709
Are you on the autism spectrum?
>>340658060
The story of this one was the least confusing to figure out. There were some cryptic shit but it was still good. Haters can fuck off.
>all those salty Dark Souls 1 apologists too blind to see the game for the shit it is
>>340658931
Not him but I'm pretty sure "It is inferior to Dark Souls" is a stupid, controversial post with no real argument.
Fuck off back to tumblr
>>340658932
>>340658927
the geography didn't make a lick of sense in the game
you literally take an elevator up to the iron keep, directly above the earthen peak but apparently this isn't even the "peak" because you go to the iron keep and you climb even higher to the point you see mountains that are taller than the iron keep regardless
>>340657937
>meme souls
>good
>>340658734
You might have a point if they had cut down the amount of bonfires available.
>>340658854
The only explination about ash lake is all of lordran is on top of a tree. Maybe not all of it but at least firelink shrine and parts of undead burg. It is a lake and what we see looks like vast hirizons but its fog. Ash lake makes perfect sense as opposed to old iron keep
>>340658734
>Easier
>Soul Memory
>No interconnected world
>botched netcode (improved matchmaking though)
>Soul Memory
>Rehashed boss fights
>Parry/Riposte Mechanic is shit
>Botching of poise
>Soul Memory
There's more but cba
>>340659095
>no real argument
kek
>better covenants
>better PvP
>better optimization
>better weapon variety
>better build variety
>better looking graphically even when being a rushed game
>better hub
>better gameplay
>>340659396
Why do you not like soul memory anon? Is it because you suck at souls games and die too much?
For anyone that is beyond Facebook games it's a really good matchmaking system =)
>>340659396
y'know i always see people bring this up but what the hell was wrong with soul memory? i never delved to deep into pvp to really care about it
>>340659396
>scrubs getting raped when they spend their souls for stupid things
?scrubs getting raped for over farming
Soul memory is the best.The salt it brings from all those MLG fedora tippers tastes like sugar.
>>340659587
If you didnt pvp it wouldnt matter to you.
>>340659587
If you die a lot you lose souls and get matched against people that don't die a lot and are therefore a higher level. Only shitters bring it up.
I don't know why anyone would listen to neo-/v/, this place is basically /b/ now.
>>340658631
PVP is fucking dead, it doesn't matter
>>340659713
What the fuck is neo /v/? Holy shit, that sounds as retarded as what i think it is.
>>340658845
this
>>340658709
or DaS2 takes place in limbo and physics and space continuity don't have to make sense
>>340659501
After your 100th successful duel, you've moved out of the 120~SL bracket in terms of acquired souls. At this point, you get fewer matchups and players start converging upon identical builds.
>Dual Havelyns
Backing up and replacing your savefile was annoying and carried a small risk with it.
>>340659670
I PvPed a ton.DS2 has the best PvP hands down.
Soul memory only matters if you want to twink and now you can twink again with the soul sucking ring.
>>340659874
>DaS2 takes place in limbo
It's a dream world or some shit.
>>340659923
the soul sucking ring didn't come out for 1.5 years even after that they immediately announced DS3 that summer
>>340659916
>At this point, you get fewer matchups and players start converging upon identical builds.
That never happened to me. Funnily enough because everyone is progressing, not just you.
It's a good game, just doesn't hold up to the other games in the series
>>340659916
But why don't you equip Havel's and dual Avelyns as well - wouldn't that be the fairest matchup?
>>340659916
>Dual Havelyns
In all my 400 hours in DS2 i've fought dual havelyns only once.
Pyro,magic,hexes and miracles a ton of those in PvP.
>>340658583
>I can't actually dodge anything so I need for the game to remove it
kys
>>340659670
>muh soul memory
Get good kiddo, DaS2 PvP is the best in the series
>>340659396
>>Easier
Not really. Neither one is really all that hard to begin with.
>>Soul Memory
Literally nothing wrong with it.
>>No interconnected world
What do you mean? It is interconnected, just not all that well.
>>botched netcode (improved matchmaking though)
Dark Souls is p2p, Dark Souls II has it's own server. I honestly didn't feel much of a difference.
>>Rehashed boss fights
As it is in any Dark Souls game.
>>Parry/Riposte Mechanic is shit
Not really. It's actually better.
More risky to pull off, and makes it so that backstab fishing isn't the optimal strategy anymore
>>Botching of poise
Poise was somewhat broken in the first game.
Rose tainted nostalgia goggles is all.
>>340657937
>sequel for a game comes out
>people bash it and hate it
>another sequel comes out
>people go back and praise the last game
FTFY
>>340658529
>implying Crownshit Season Pass is better than Artorias of the Abyss
DaS2fags have reached a new level of fucking stupid.
>>340658405
>you must have at least 23 ADP to get good i-frames
Stop rolling early and git gud you shit-eating twat.
You don't even need to roll against most bosses.
>>340660593
I agree with everything you wrote. Dark Souls 2 just felt floaty and the controls were weird and light.
I still loved it though. Was expecting the second half to turn to shit just like what happens after Sens Fortress but nope, solid throughout and the Kings DLC was amazing.
>>340660593
you're a meme, everything you do is memes
>>340660771
More like
>sequel comes out
>people love it
>everyone's favorite youtuber makes a video bashing the game
>everyone suddenly hates it
>>340660495
Only people who can't dodge anything are the ones who rely on i-frames to keep them alive.I give you that.But i need my i-frames.The game sucks without them and you con't dodge shit.This is what i would've said if i was a shitter who can't play the game.But i am not and i play with the lowest ADP that i can get.
>people unironically defending soul memory
neo /v/ is real
>>340660985
More like
>sequel comes out
>people love it
>until they have time to think and let the hype wear off
>start to notice the glaring flaws and lazy design
>somebody makes a youtube video neatly cataloguing all these problems
>the initial enjoyment wears off, replaced by bitterness at how shallow an experience it really it
>>340660774
This and also running is better in some situations but people simply don't use it in mid fight like it doesn't exist or something.They roll like idiots even with every next roll the amount of stamina drained gets bigger.
Fucking noobs piss me off just as a watch them play.
>>340661247
So, going by your greentex, you get taught what to think by youtubers?
Embarrassing.
So let me get this straight, the two big problems with DaS2 according to /v/ is Soul Memory and ADP, yeah? Sounds like a case ofgitgud
>>340661479
For me it's more about the level design and shit bosses
>>340658709
Here you go
>>340661479keks
I must disagree.
It sounds more like a case ofyep they really need to git good or move to reddit,this is no place for noobs
>>340661697
So you didn't play Dark Souls first?
>>340661761
is there even a volcano behind the windmill?
>>340661882
There are mountains but if you ask me you just got warped to there trough a magical portal.If you are that much bothered by it you need to check yourself for aughtism in a clinic or something.
>>340660880
The only gripes I have against it are:
>controls are a bit off
>character models look weird and glowy
>world wasn't so well connected
>story relies too much on the previous games, instead of being it's own thing
>level design was mostly not on par with the first game
Still excellent game, with an obviously superior PvP system, more varied builds, and overall better mechanics than the first one.
>>340662274
I can actually agree with all of that except the story thing.
>>340658709
>it's okay for time to be distorted in the Souls universe but not for space
>>340661356
Not at all. What I was trying to communicate is that public opinion and youtube content tend to change at the same time.
It's almost like we live in a world full of individuals that can have the same idea without telling eachother what they SHOULD be thinking.
Sorry if you didn't understand that.
>>340660772
>Artorias of the Recycle Bin
>anything but garbage
>>340662462
So you don't get told what to think by Youtubers and memers on /v/, it's just a """"""""""""""coincidence"""""""""""""""""?
>>340658734
lol i was in another thread and 3 people reply to you.
>>340662694
Yup. Why, does that confuse you? Are you unable to imagine someone forming their own opinion without being told?
What if I posted a youtube video that told you to form your own opinion? Would you consider it possible then?
>>340662526
Here's a (you) fresh out of the oven, buddy. You earned it.
>>340662274
>controls are a bit off
Controls are much better on PC when it comes to M&K.
I never used a controller so i can't speak for that.
>character models look weird and glowy
Are we talking about the same game?Character models and the character creator in 2 are the best in the series.I had a Picard.jpg moment when i saw the character creation in DS3 or shall i say DS1.3.
T B H i have only one problem with DS2 and that is its unfinished state with some areas.There are sections that never made it into the final game and if you look around you can see the blocked corridors that should've lead to places that were scrapped.
>>340662941
Sure seems very """"""""""""coincidental""""""""""" anon
>>340662973
>There are sections that never made it into the final game and if you look around you can see the blocked corridors that should've lead to places that were scrapped.
Like what?
If /v/ hates a game you can be 99% sure it's good.
>>340658060
>>shitty and copypasta bosses
Yeah, i really hated fighting the Asylum Demon 3 times in DS1.
Or the Taurus Demon +5 times
Or the Capra Demon +5 times.
>>340662973
I'd rather have stuff not make it into the game than make it in half finished like and dogshit everything after Anor Londo in Dark Souls.
>>340657937
but it is bad visually, mechanically and animation-ly. definitely grows on you though... after tens of hours and becomes a bit fun, i guess
>>340663270
At least Moonlight Butterfly and Bed of Chaos were OC and unique.
wew lad
>>340662705
Some people can't handle the truth.
>>340659205
>You might have a point if they had cut down the amount of bonfires available.
Btw i was talking with some of my coding buddies and they think that the amount of bonfires is intentional so that there can be created PvP game bubbles in the world around them.The way PvP in DS2 can work almost anywhere comes at the price of a few more bonfires.
That is just speculation on their side.
Bioshock infinite.
I liked it more than the first one. The vigors a were boring but the gunplay was much better the BS1.
>>340663223
>Like what?
There is a section in the forest of giants that was cut off.You can see a part of it from the top of the space with the first haide knight.
>>340662426
fuck off, vaati
>>340663083
You can put however many quotations you want fuckboi, the simple fact remains that I didn't see the video I know you're talking about until AFTER I beat DaS2 and thought "What. That's it? What the fuck?"
We both know your desperate little argument doesn't hold up unless I was "told how to think" by a youtube video, but it's not the case. I came to the conclusion that DaS2 is a steaming rancid turd all on my own, so you can take your quotation marks and shove them up your ass, where all your critical thought seems to come from.
>>340663731
Don't you go there in the Giant's Memory.
>>340662973
>Are we talking about the same game?
If you color your character in a pale color, and walk through a dark area, things get a bit weird.
It's like the darkness affects everything but your character's skin tone, giving it a weird glowy look.
Also, the female model is exactly the same as the male one, but with a different face. They have this big powerful shoulders, which looks weird.
>i have only one problem with DS2 and that is its unfinished state with some areas
Just like every other Souls game. From isn't a big studio, they have to cut corners in some areas. It's unavoidable.
>>340661761
I made that, who removed the HURRDURR I AM A RETARD bit in the corner? OC SHOULD BE LEFT WELL ALONE
>>340663784
>I didn't see the video I know you're talking about until AFTER I beat DaS2
Sure thing, anon. I believe you even if you are protesting a little too hard.
>>340657937
It was a very good game, bettern than most in quite a while.
But, you see, Dark Souls wasn't good, it was stellar, and this game says "Dark Souls II". As "Dark Souls II", which is by necessity in comparison to the prequel, it's absolute and insufferable shit.
It's all just relative.
>>340658734
>like ds1
>hate ds2
>like ds3
> LEL NOSTALGIA GLASSES YOUR OPINION IS SHIT KEKEEKEK
>>340662941
>I have no comeback: the post
>>340663957
concession accepted.
>>340663823
>Don't you go there in the Giant's Memory.
N-no?It should be behind the collapsed tunnel in the area with the turtle knights.You can see it leading out and leading it but they've hidden it behind the rock collapse.Give me a few minutes i'll run there and take a screencap.
>>340664025
Let me guess, you hate Soul Memory and you don't like ADP because you need more i-frames?
>>340664117
Why would I need to make a comeback? You're just a baitposter.
>>340663871
I found it like that in a previous thread, post the original one and I'll use that instead whenever I see the "magic elevator" posts.
>>340664249
No, I hate level design in ds2. I don't care about pvp.
>>340664201
I just got past those Drake Guardian Knights. Is there any population in this game because I need to finish it I suppose.
>>340664363
Oh well no biggie
>>340664586
>show elevator in-game
>still no fucking volcano BEHIND the windmill
Well you almost had an argument, nimrod.
>>340657937
> /v/ says /v/ says a game is shit
> /v/ plays it
> /v/ makes an opinion possibly different from /v/'s
DS2 DLC was amazing, almost better than anything in DS1. Except Frigid Outskirts.
all sounds games are good
>>340658709
Basing my enjoyment on an elevator.
>>340664821
You can see a faint red glow in the distance behind the mill.
>>340664586
You take an elevator up from the top of the windmill senpai
>>340664983
You want to post a screencap of that? Because the image you posted doesn't have it
>>340664586
This makes no sense. You fight Mytha at the top
>>340664485
Yes there is.You can also ask for someone help with the online stuff in the steam discussion.
>>340664201
>i'll run there and take a screencap
See where my halberd is pointing?
>>340665020
No you don't, you can go back and play the game and see that when you are in the windmill, you are only halfway up it at the Mytha fight. The giant windmill blades you burn (that doesn't really make much sense) to stop the poison being pumped into Earthern Peak are the ones in the bottom-middle of the building that you can see outside it. You can even go on the balcony that a fire sorceress is launching fireballs out of to see how high up you are.
>>340665471
The windmill is being used to pump poison everywhere, anon. It's been turned away from it's original purpose.
>>340657937
/v hates everything, especially if it's popular. Because/v is full of retarded hipsters.
>>340665129
>You fight Mytha at the top
Why would you think that? You only go up about 4-5 floors.
>>340665425
I guess that could be an unfinished area, I don't really see why you'd go over there from a level-design point of view.
>>340665425
P.S i am ready to bet a beer that there wasn't a gap there but a structure connecting the place where i am sitting and the scrapped part.
>ADP is bad
Yeah. I hate needing to adapt to my skills over and over again. I just want to cheese around in meme armor and cheese everything.
>Bosses are rehashes
Same goes for Dark Souls 1 but Dark Souls 2 does it less. One of the two reskins is even only an optional boss in the DLC.
>Too many ''human'' enemies
Because the CU killed the Bed of Chaos - Source of Demons - in the first game brainfart. I thought you care about the lore?
>The lore is bad
The lore still comes from your favorite hack Miyazaki. He wasn't directing DS2 but he was supervising it and so okay with everything that happend in it.
>Hitboxes are shit
So just like every Souls game. How many times did you get grabbed by the Gaping Dragon while being out of its reach? How many times did you not fall on an enemy yet still killed it from above?
>No builds
Except it has the biggest number of useful builds of all Souls games. Meanwhile everyone fags around with the Dark Sword in DS3 and DS1 was nothing but Havelmoms and Giantdads with poise being OP
>Areas are shit
Not as shit as Demon Ruins or Lost Izalith
>>340657937
It was too frustrating.
>>340665057
On the right.
>>340665616
I mean setting the blades on fire when the part you ignite looks like it's made of metal.
>>340665471
So you're saying that instead of walking through the windmill and accessing an elevator behind it, like >>340664586 tries to claim, you're instead walking halfway up the windmill, before walking an impossible distance into the empty space behind the windmill, THEN taking an elevator up into the bowels of a volcano fortress.
Why does the DaS2 defense force try so hard to defend this objectively garbage level design? The only thing more hilarious than this stupid shit are the people who try and say "I-IT'S THE CURSE! YOU'RE LOSING YOU MEMORY! TH-THAT'S WHY THE LEVEL TRANSITION IS COMPLETELY RETARDED! B-TEAM ARE SECRETLY GENIUSES!"
>>340666156
Oh right, sorry. The textures are shit in 2 at times.
>>340665057
As you can see in the background, OIK area is set inside the volcano, so you can't see it from outside.
Mechanically, it's the best game in the trilogy.
>>340666269
Dark Souls 1 still looks far worse.
And the only reason why people give a shit about graphics in DS2 is the downgrade thing.
Even with Scholar of the First Sin looking better than the filter abuse that was the E3 trailer.
>>340663768
In ds3 Cornyx LITERALLY says lands are drifting, namely izalith
>>340666005
FUCK. OFF.
>>340666441
Fuck the downgrade, i don't care about it after i played the game.
DS2 runs so smooth it is insane.
DS1 and DS3 run like shit.It is like they are using the same shitty engine.
>>340666224
Yeah, like it says in the image that the tunnel leading into the mountain that the windmill is set in has been shortened because it probably wouldn't be fun to walk so long with nothing there.
It's not very well designed, sure, I admit that but what is happening isn't that you climp to the top of a windmill and then climb into an elevator then magically go up into the sky and into the Iron Keep, you go halfway up a windmill that's built into a mountain then go through a tunnel into the mountain, then go up an elevator into the crater of the volcano where Iron Keep is.
>>340666224
It's just a fantasy world anon and it's implied that it's all just a dream. Calm your autism.
>>340666948
>a windmill that's built into a mountain
But it's not
>>340666701
u mad?
>>340667249
What the hell is that?
>>340667007
>It doesn't have to make sense!
>If you want it to make sense you're autistic
>FANTASY MEANS NOTHING HAS TO MAKE ANY KIND OF INTERNALLY CONSISTENT SENSE HOW DARE YOU MAKE FUN OF MY FAVORITE GAME
This is what you sound like. People who use "BUT IT'S FANTASY" as an excuse for poor design should be lined up and shot.
>>340657937
hands down the best game in trilogy
>>340657937
All the bosses in Dark Souls 2 are a massive improvement over the shit that was in Dark Souls.
The only one I didn't like was Covetous Demon. I could see what they were trying to do with him but he just isn't aggressive enough. Love the lore behind him as well.
>>340667339
What lurks under the firekeeper table
>>340667415
So your problem with Dark Souls 2 is the connection between Harvest Valley and Old Iron Keep? You will hate Dark Souls 1 and 3 anon because they are even worse.
>>340666753
Dark Souls 2s build is mostly still near Dark Souls 1s build.
With Bloodborne they added more to it resulting into everything running worse.
>>340663467
Unique doesn't mean good.
Buttershit was a garbage fight, and bed of bullshit is the worst boss in soulsborne games. Tbh, DS1 has 2 memorable boss fights, Smostein and Nito. DS2 has ruin sentinels, lost sinner, chariot, mirror knight, duke's dear freja, rotten, velstadt.
Also DS1 becomes garbage midgame, and even the first half is completely ruined by areas like the depths, lower undead burg, or by bad hitboxes, bad collision detection, bad enemy placement, buggy AI, sometimes horrible graphics (those fucking 2d trees).
DS2 may be flawed, a lot, but it's nothing compared to DS1 and it improves on literally every aspect of the game.
DS3 is best soulsborne game anyway.
![GTA_4[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/YkYbstr.jpg "GTA_4[1].jpg")
It does get boring but by the time it gets boring you've already got your moneys worth.
>>340663871
nobody removed it, you're still a retard
>>340667787
>Dark Souls 2s build is mostly still near Dark Souls 1s build.
Well the optimization in 2 is light years ahead of the optimization in 1.
LIGHTYEARS!!
>>340667943
It's just that Dark Souls is unoptimized in every aspect on every platform.
The game got rushed for its release. Not only Lost Izalith shows that. The optimization is part of that as well.
Dark Souls 2 had more time and Dark Souls 3 is just modern GPU marketing.
>>340668104
>Dark Souls 2 had more time
>the game was so rushed it has missing parts
>had more time
No but Dark Souls 2 was created with PC in mind from the get go.
>>340667538
>All the bosses are a massive improvement
That's a bold fucking claim. I'm not pretending that Dark Souls 1 didn't have its own share of bad bosses, but jesus christ Ds2 apologists must be brainwashed
>Covetous Demon
>Ruin Sentinels
>Royal Rat Authority aka Sif wannabe (the swarm boss was okay)
>The Last Giant
>Smelter Demon
>Cool Ranch Smelter
>Sinh aka Kalameet wannabe
>Lud and Zallen
>Scorpioness Najka aka Quelaag with magic
I can go on. These boss fights are lazy, uninspired, and boring. You can't defend this shit
>>340658709
You fall through a whirlpool to get to Drangleicestershire in the opening cutscene. I think its safe to say the physical layout and interconnectivity of the world isn't such a big issue.
>>340668326
Dark Souls 2 console optimization is better than Dark Souls console optimization . Thats what i am saying.
And you will always have missing parts because not everything that gets cut gets cut due to lack of money or time.
>>340668421
>Taurus Demon
>Capra Demon
>Fat Demon over and over every level
>Gaping Dragon
>Moonlight Butterfly
>Seath
>Pinwheel
Fuck, I could go on and on as well. Only good bosses are OnS, Queelag and Nito.
datass
>>340668421
Kalameet feels like a discount Sinh, not only lore, but design, arena, music, difficulty.
Ruin sentinels are amazing, you're just retarded
Last giant was okay for a tutorial boss, it's the Taurus Demon of DS2
I agree with the others tho.
>>340668554
There are areas in Dark Souls 2 that were cut or unfinished for sure.
And time is money.
>>340668421
>>Sinh aka Kalameet wannabe
Kalameet didn't destroy your weapons with its stone skin and he also didn't give you toxic.
Also:
>its a dragon therefore its a clone
And Smelter Demon isn't bad at all and Ruin Sentinels is a gank done right.
>>340667770
You wish. My problem is the connection between areas like Heide's (a garbage level) with No man's Warf (why the fuck does Ancient Destroyed Tower connect to Pirate Cove? That fucking stupid)
Or how you don't see any of the pillars in dragon aerie rising up from around Aldia's Keep. Or how you collect all the strongest souls in the land to circumvent a small pile of rubble.
You talk shit about Dark 1 and 3, but even though 3's not that great it still kicks the ever loving shit out of 2 in terms of consistent level design. You can look down from Vordt's boss arena and see every area in the game, and how you'll be interacting with those areas, and it all makes perfect sense.
You're literally just trying to make excuses for how shit Dark Souls 2 is, like you have some personal stake in any insult made against it. I think you need to either invest in some taste or fuck off to /dsg/. Oh wait, they don't like your shit game either.
>>340668421
You are really putting the first Smelter Demon fight on there but leaving off the Old Iron King?
Also the Ruin Sentinels were so close to being a great bossfight, if only they looked different from one another rather than just the same boss copied 2 more times.
>>340668421
You also forgot:
>Twin Dragonriders lmao
>Old Dragonslayer
>Guardian Dragon
>Belfry Gargoyles
>Skeleton Lords
>Gank squad
>Ancient Dragon
>Nashandra
Dark Souls 2 only had a handful of objectively good boss fights. Looking Glass Knight, Demon of Song, Executioners Chariot, Velstadt, Darkstalker and most of the DLC bosses (except the ones previously mentioned)
>>340668912
Why does it only matter when DS2's area placements don't make sense? Why does no one care that the Valley of Drakes is just a crevice full of Drakes that's just there? Or that Ash Lake is an ocean/island underneath the entire planet, or that New Londo is a subterranean city? No one cares that Lothric is literally nothing but a hodgepodge of all the areas in DS1 hastily scrapped together or that Yharnam is a complex city that loops into itself and goes fucking nowhere.
>>340668659
>A Dark Souls 2 fanboy is calling out another game for reused bosses
Oh my god the fucking irony.
How are your Smelters doing, anon? Do you prefer Nacho Cheese or Cool Rance flavor? Oh wait, it doesn't matter,They're exactly the fucking same.
At least the asylum, wandering and firesage demons all have different mechanics, and aren't literally just a fucking palette swap.
>>340668791
>Last giant was okay for a tutorial boss, it's the Taurus Demon of DS2
How is the last giant a tutorial boss in DS2 if i may ask?
There are 4 possible first bosses in DS2.
Last Giant/Pursuer/Dragon Rider/Old Dragon Slayer
4!!! and people keep saying the game was linear.P.S i pity those who ended up fighting one of the harder bosses as their first boss.I got raped by the Pursuer as my first boss encounter.
The only really unfun bosses in DS2 are Covetous Demon because its just too easy and boring and Old Iron King because the only danger of that fight is that tiny lava hole.
Besides that bosses like Last Giant are mediocre at best. Not bad but not good either. Sometimes the lore makes up for it.
Dark Souls 1 has it far worse with Sif and OandS being the only main game bosses that are really well done.
Fatass Asylum Demons are boring trash. Taurus is trash. Butterfly is shit and boring and bad designed. And every boss after you get the Lordvessel feels like they didn't really put effort into it. Even Nito as cool as he might be is a lackluster of a bossfight with him killing his skelly allies for you again and again. They really should have given him something that makes his decease cloud more dangerous and him hating light dangerous in a fair way. Him just spamming his magic swords is lame.
>>340669334
>Looking Glass Knight, Demon of Song, Executioners Chariot, Velstadt, Darkstalker and most of the DLC bosses
That's more than Dark Souls 1 wewmao
>>340669390
>I got raped by the Pursuer as my first boss encounter.
Same here
Game is fucking amazing though. Been reading this thread and I guess the people saying 2 is bad and 1 is so good are just memeing?
Posting the best boss fight.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=alTQiC6hhGc
>>340669335
>Valley of Drakes is just a crevice full of Drakes that's just there
That's where the Drakes live. They're animals senpai, they don't need a reason. I guess you could also infer that the Red Drake was born there too, and flew up through the canyon to reach the Burg
Ash Lake is shown in the intro, and the great Archtrees basically hold up the entire overworld. It's a bit weird, but it makes sense.
>New Londo is a subterranean city
Humans were treated like trash, so human cities usually suck. The Burg is more like the Ghetto, and the other human settlements in Souls games seem pretty uncomfortable, so its not that much of a stretch.
I agree with you on Lothric, it felt rushed and dull. I also agree about Yharnam, it should have been much larger and had many more bosses and locations.
>>340669335
>he thinks areas without an express purpose beyond connecting two points, or a city being underground, or Ash lake being some kind of primordial underground sea is on the same level of DaS2's elevator-to-nowhere extravaganza
>Trying to shit talk the shortcut porn that is Yarnham
Oh, I see the problem now. You're so used to DaS2's objectively awful level design, you actually wouldn't know GOOD level design if it bit you in the ass. Got it.
We have nothing more to discuss. Don't even bother replying to me.
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>>340669427
Covetous Demon was just so lame, but I appreciated that they tried to add something to the boss with the pots around the room you can shoot to release hollows that the boss will target instead of you.
I think Dark Souls 2 did a lot of really neat environmental stuff that just gets no credit.
>>340669762
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3V9zxXN1rx0
I hope that you got Sotfs because that's the only DS2 that makes sense story wise which I enjoyed more than 1.
Speaking of cut content, aren't we like getting NPCs like Rhoy as one?
>>340670034
If they made Covetous Demon hyper aggressive so that you NEED to shoot down the pots or you're getting eaten then that would be better.
>>340670034
Don't forget his special attack that removes your armor.Not that many people were able to witness it.
>>340669995
I actually enjoyed Smelter which is like an endurance test. But not so much with Raime. He feels like a slower Smelter.
>>340669917
You can kiss my ass, friend. Yharnam is horribly designed as a city, just because it makes you feel smart doesn't make it okay. And Ash Lake isn't less stupid than Earthen Peak, because they're both huge reality bending areas that seem to exist below other, completely conflicting areas
>>340669390
Meh, you're kinda right. Personally the giant is the one I kill first, I just fucking love the design of the forest and it gives me feels watching him alone down there ripping his arm off to kill you.
I guess he was the tutorial for bosses bigger than you, dragon rider was tutorial for levers, pursuer and ornstein were tutorials for aggressive bosses.
I never beat the pursuer the legit way, always used the ballista.
>>340670279
Did you beat him with no summons anon? Well done if so.
>>340670364
>I never beat the pursuer the legit way, always used the ballista.
Pursuer taught me how to parry. It was either that or not get any further.
>>340670034
>Poison in Mythas fight can get turned off by burning the mill
>Looking Glass Knight can summon other players to assist him
>Raime goes directly into his second phase if you wear Velstadts helmet because it pisses him off
>Giant Souls effecting the defense of the old king
On that note: People don't mention the Ancient Dragon enough.
That was a boring fight.
Not hard - Just boring.
No idea how people can have trouble with that guy. He sure hits hard but its easy to avoid his hits and most of the fight is you just trying to get next to his tail in order to avoid the fire.
>>340670387
Yeah no summons. Since I'm playing offline.
>>340659831
Houston, we have detected some goalposts moving at a velocity approaching light speed.
>invade from the first bonfire of sunken king DLC area
>spawn down in the staircase, where the sanctum guardians and the first walking poison-spitting stone cluster is
>look around for the host for a while, then he pops a seed since mobs start attacking me
>rush up to the bonfire, nothing
>check the shortcut elevators, it's there
>go down
>bridge into the pyramid isn't raised
>notice the other elevator isn't there and the button isn't usable
>that fucker is just down there standing on the button so I can't call it up
>clever, but not enough
>drop a hello carving down the hole
>the guy panic rolls and releases the button
>keikaku.png
>call the elevator up, go down and go to town on his ass
Killing scrubs will never not be satisfying
>>340670387
He's harder with summons, his broad swipes will hit everybody anyway
>want to replay DaS2
>remember that the first 10 hours are a boring slog through shit areas and shit bosses with shit weapons and shit armors
why even bother
>>340670620
>Raime goes directly into his second phase if you wear Velstadts helmet because it pisses him off
Really now? I have to do that in NG+.
>>340670335
Let me break this down for you.
You enter the trunk of a very old tree, in the lowest area on the game that isn't underground, and you traverse the inside of the old tree down to it base.
You come out at the very bottom, where all the arch trees have their roots, in an ancient aquifer beneath the earth. It's a common trope, just look at Nausicaa.
Meanwhile, the comparison you tried to make, of Earthen Peek having an elevator going up into the aether, and area you can see from just outside the windmill is completely bereft of any volcanos, mountains, or really any sort of connecting landscape that would make sense, and coming out in the bowels of a volcano fortress. THAT makes no sense.
The reality is that Ash Lake from Blighttown and Iron Keep from Earthen Peak are not even comparable, mostly because Ash Lake makes sense from both a level design AND lore standpoint, while Iron Keep makes no sense from either.
You have a nice day.
Smelter is all about learning how do dodge.
That and swapping your shield in case you doesn't have one that doesn't block everything 100%
For Smelter Blue i needed to switch my 100% Physical Def Shield to a 100% Magic one after he powered up his sword.
As long as you aren't greedy he is easy to solo.
>>340670812
>He's harder with summons, his broad swipes will hit everybody anyway
One person lines him up in front of the siege weapon and the other one shoots.He is easier with summons if you know what you are doing.
>>340671036
Yep. It also makes the fight easier because it makes his attacks easier to predict.
In his first phase i never got a hold on his moves.
>>340671080
Either solo Smelter and don't rush it or get a summon with one guy baiting Smelter and the other poisoning him with arrow or knives. One poison gets him to lose 20% of his health or so.
>>340670918
Literally my feeling about DaS1
>want to replay it because I finished DS2/DS3/Bloudbourne at least 5 times
>remember that the whole game except undead parish and anor londo is a broken and tedious mess with shit everything
At least undead parish is god tier.
>>340671078
Smelter blue is really easy if you are pyro with healing flame.Those two NPC summons on full HP shred him like mad.
>>340670620
Don't forget the oil to illuminate the Lost Sinner fight, the lever you can pull to give yourself more room to fight the Dragonrider on or the ballista to use on the Persuer.
There is even neat environmental stuff to use like the trees that moan when you hit them that distract the invisible enemies in the Shaded Woods.
I'm not sure if I'll ever get to finish Dark Souls so can someone in here just tell me who is in the wrong, Creighton or Pate? Or are they both just dicks?
>>340671080
What? I was talking about Raime
There's siege weapons around smelty?
>>340658709
Explain why when you get killed you don't die. Checkmate.
>>340671506
Dark Souls 2 sorry
What's the point of the Skeleton Lords?
>>340671453
Also while the girl(Melfenito?) sings the lizards wont attack you.
>>340671725
>What's the point of the Skeleton Lords?
The point is for you to kill them in the wrong order and to get raped by rolling skellies. Especially if you have no HP.
First time when i fought them i didn't notice the skeletons popping after the kill and got swarmed pretty fast.
>>340671747
Fuck those cunts they give out good loot and souls.
Have I totally misunderstood, or is Dark Souls 2 an Age of Dark? Do you "re-link" the bonfire at all?
>>340671725
Just another mob boss section. If you are talking about the lore they are the Old Iron Kings equivalent of the inquisition which hunts undead but because of the curse forgot about it and became their spookiness.
>>340671453
Also the ''don't bring light'' in the tomb and the walking zombie with the torch :^)
>>340672000
Never had a problem with that.
Those skellies are weaker than regular skellies. They are also less aggressive.
>>340671725
Having DeS-tier music, which isgreat
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DCtzt-v6fhw
>>340672000
>>340672161
The real wheelskeletons of DS2 are those icebunnies in the Ivory King DLC
>>340672140
That got me good. I was covering his ass on the way thinking he was some sort of puzzle.
>>340672034
I first looked at it like a time far, far after the events from DaS1, so the world is like super dead and you're all on your last legs, then Aldia's like "I think I have a solution". I was super hype to see some change and some other path than "light the fire or let it die" in DaS3, and I got DaS 1.5 instead. Thanks Miyazaki-san.
>>340672384
>the ice sanics
FUCK THESE LITTLE SHITS
>>340672620
I share this guy's sentiment. I am thinking why isn't becoming a dragon and returning it all to nothingness not an available ending? I mean it's like they forgot DaS starting lore and just made shit up along the next two games.
>>340658405
>23 ADP
>Not just 15
git gud
>>340672384
>icebunnies
I always thought they were hedgehogs that spin really fast :^)Sonic anyone?
Reminder
>pic related
>>340669762
Jesus. I know the fight is cool, but that's an ok ost at best. It's just loud noise and banging and chanting with no real direction. Actual good themes should be memorable, this isn't even hummable.
>>340673202
>>340672384
>>340672969
Techinically they are rats but the sharp ice on their backs makes them kinda Sanic.
>fast as fuck
>small and hard to hit
>do a fuckload of damage
They are worse than the wheel skeletons in DS1.
>>340673121
>15 ADP
>Not just 3
git gut
>>340669335
>Yharnam is a complex city that loops into itself and goes fucking nowhere.
>goes fucking nowhere
Yeah, it doesn't go nowhere besides, you know, everywhere. It goes out into a giant forest, it connects to other cities such as Old Yharnam, and Hemwick and you can even see some type if highway or road from Hemwock whih leads out from the city.
Lmao, what is even your point here? That fantastical settings which explain themselves = shitty geographical transitions?
>>340673459
3 is acceptable but you'll have to wear some Vengarl-tier armour to make up for it.
>>340673391
It's as hummable as O&S and way more hummable than Artorias' theme.
>>340674204
Go into Voocaro and humm at least 10 seconds of it. Literally, just try to hum to yourself any part of that mess of a song and realize it's just heavy noise which, while it my sound cool during the fight, could be swapped with any other song from Ds2
>>340674020
>3 is acceptable but you'll have to wear some Vengarl-tier armour to make up for it.
Only in some spots(unless you are very good with your dodges) and only if you want to twohand.Shield fags will have no problems.
In all honesty i am talking garbage right now since i am still thinking about my twink build.So throw away everything i just said.You shouldn't have any problems no matter what you do as long as you've played the game enough.
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>>340657937
I know the feel.
>>340674461
The part starting at 38 seconds is perfectly hummable. No need for a vocaroo.
I always felt there was a huge difference in lore, feel, and atmosphere when it came to the dark souls worlds and the bloodborne worlds.
I always imagined the dark souls universe as more of a magical, dream world, where the main character was on a journey through time.
Bloodborne is the grimdark, transylvania counterpart where you are thrown in a nightmare and have to survive.
They both do their job well, dream versus nightmare.
I believe that dark souls 2 in the amazing journey and dream respect did the best job in portraying that (yes I actually like that you start in the base of a tree, go to a castle, go to a floating lava city, etc etc) It made me feel like playing ocarina of time again with dark souls combat. Best in the series
>>340675548
>Best in the series
I wouldn't go that far, but it does have a certain fairy-tale atmosphere that the other games lack. I still prefer the oppressiveness of DS1 though, nothing in DS2 felt particularly dark.
