So, What does /v/ think of hearts of iron? Would you play it with fellow gamers.
Would you rule the world from Australia?
>>340640906
Paradox games tend to have shit AI, but HoI4 really takes the top retard score there. Literally autism.
>>340640906
It's shit.
>>340640906
Current AI makes it unplayable. Wait a few months and see if Paradox or modders have fixed it.
>>340642108
>This user lost to Poland when invading as Germany.
>>340642213
No its more like
>AI Germany threw 1 million men into the Maginot Line until they finally broke it but got promptly curb stomped by Russia.
And don't forget the UK's suicide invasions and Italy's inability to defend their mainland.
>>340642213
I think most complaints about the AI is that it is so straight up retarded it's impossible to lose
the AI is terrible and cant put up any kind of fight
you can take over the UK with 6 paratroopers no problem and end WW2 in about a year if that
I don't know what you guys are talking about, the AI seems fine to me.
>>340640906
It's hot nigger shit. Dumbed-down as fuck. These dipshits at Paradox supposedly took two years to develop this bare bones shit game.
>>340640906
The problem with his game is depth. What people call depth, I call design flaw.
This - like all Paradox games - is a game for accountants. People who don't mind going through endless rows and columns of random numbers, and get excited changing fractions.
For others, this is an unpenetrable wall of analysis/ paralysis. As a famous game developer said in his GDC talk "Choices for players are great. Choices for developers are indecisions". Throwing non-essential data dumps at players is bad game design.
Reducing data to relevant information, limiting the choices a player has to deal with, in the beginning, wouldn't take anything away from the depth of the Clausewitz engine. Yet, those Duders in Sweden are all 'locked-in', stuck in that Stockholm syndrom, just like their fans.
New players. Being accessible. Two nuts, they have not cracked. They don't know how to.
It will be interesting to watch how well their recent attempt to expand to the Chinese market will turn out.
>>340640906
Paradox have been shit for quite a while now. Really not interested in their latest drivel.
>>340642615
>Italy's inability to defend their mainland
That's historicaly accurate
Can cause extreme autism but it's a whole lot of fun once I manage to get my jingoism high enough to actually play it.
>>340642213
Paradox is bad at AI. This can be seen with their other recent release Stellaris.
>>340642916
Of course it's bare bones. If you want the full game, you have to wait another three years and buy $400 worth of DLC.
>>340642947
I don't know if you've played a paradox game recently but they have been dumbed down alot you can pretty much play through their recent games just keeping an eye on 1 or 2 things
>>340642947
What the fuck are you talking about? you nigger. The game is probably paradox's most casual and it was made to appeal to casuals? Chinese market? lol wut. They have been repeatedly banned in china since their games deal with world history, fuck off, you stupid enormous cunt.
>>340643108
post it
>>340643102
Yea, but that was around 1943. Italy shouldn't lose Rome to the UK in 1940.
>>340642875
To be fair, Historically. The UK never faced invasion.
How are they suppose to write AI for that?
>>340642615
>And don't forget the UK's suicide invasions
As what happen in WW2, Look up the forces they sent to help france and so on.
They also did paratroop landings to destroy stuff then leave.
>>340642615
>AI Germany threw 1 million men into the Maginot Line until they finally broke it but got promptly curb stomped by Russia.
So, What your saying is.. Your angry that Russia decided to take advantage of the situation? as for the millions of men.
Honestly, I find that fairly funny but haven't seen it happen.
>>340643102
>That's historicaly accurate
Basically, They ran after the germans fell.
>>340643126
Don't own it, Can't agree with that.
>>340643102
LIES!
ITALIA STRONK!
>>340643215
post what?
>>340643108
We're gonna crank the autism nob unto full autism to get this battle won.
Never ask for the opinion on /v/ its a bigger circle jerk then fucking reddit at this point
Every game you ask for a opinion on we will just say its shit
>>340643227
>As what happen in WW2, Look up the forces they sent to help france and so on.
Are you trolling or just mentally retarded?
>>340643208
>The game is probably paradox's most casual and it was made to appeal to casuals?
didn't mean to add that question mark. It's the most casual paradox title.
>>340643421
I don't know, You tell me.
You want to tell me the history and explain why i'm wrong?
>>340643493
Okay, fucknuts. Show me the UK's suicide invasion that you claim happened.
The UK staged exactly two invasions of mainland Europe - the invasion of Italy and the invasion of Normandy. Both were complete successes.
>>340643227
>As what happen in WW2, Look up the forces they sent to help france and so on.
>They also did paratroop landings to destroy stuff then leave.
Those were raids, I'm talking about fullscale naval invasions with multiple divisions. Things like Husky or Torch.
>So, What your saying is.. Your angry that Russia decided to take advantage of the situation?
Yes, Russia took advantage of a situation that never should have happened as the Manstein Plan was the cornerstone of German plans for dealing with the Western Allies. AI Germany shouldn't have put herself in that situation.
>>340643591
Ah, So you didn't look it up.
I don't really think i can explain something to someone who isn't willing listen.
The most famous example of theses paratroopers is the fact that one sent a letter to Hitler while in the town they were doing an operation in.
>>340643591
>>340643493
There's only one and it happened near Bordeaux. though that faggot acts like more than one happened.
>I love managing the economy
>having a hard time liking micromanaging
>learn to use HOI3
>this is great
>I can do whatever I want
>put the army, navy and air fleet on AI so I can manage everything else
>HOI4 comes out
>buys field marshal edition
>can't really use the AI
>it's too crappy
>start up HOI3 again
Now I'm playing commander: the great war with a friend
>>340643763
Provide a source of your failed invasions. The rest of what you posted is just barely-comprehensible garbage.
>>340643769
You're talking about Operation Ironside. It was not a "failed invasion". It was an attempt to distract the Germans by staging a *fake* invasion and it worked perfectly.
>>340644002
I haven't played the early games, didn't knew it existed.
What's the changes between the two?
>>340643157
>you can pretty much play through their recent games just keeping an eye on 1 or 2 things
literally name one Paradox game where this isn't possible that isn't hoi3
>>340644002
>Put the most important aspects of the game on AI
I think EU IV is a game more of your speed
>>340644109
A fuckton
I'm stilled baffled when faggot casuals call HOI4 complex.
>>340644274
Hearts of Iron 4
>>340644523
Nigger, in HOI4 the army is already on AI and more so with battleplans.
>faggots who haven't even played the game thinking they know jack shit
dumb faggot.
>>340642895
pay denbts
>>340644719
Actualy you can still individualy control each division of your army putting them under a general gives a 50% attack bonus wich is irrelevant if your divisions don't know how to fucking encircle because retarded AI
so eat my fucking ass you dumb nigger
This is the first HoI title I've played and I don't know what I'm looking for in terms of good or bad game design yet. I can't even figure out how territory is divided during combat but I am upset that Germany stole my opportunity to nuke LA for the achievement.
>>340645136
>1965
>>340644559
Strange thing is, I've played just about every RTS and turn base game but this thing is complicated for me.
>>340645290
How did I last this long or how has it taken me this long to take over the world? For the former, Russia created its own faction and has been fighting the Allies, Nationalist Spain joined the Axis, and Japan got its shit kicked in by China and didn't have a chance to attack the US so the US was extremely late joining the war. For how it's taken so long, I haven't figured out how to play well yet.
>>340645028
>Actualy you can still individualy control each division of your army putting them under a general
You can also do that in EU4, you outstanding cock-eating faggot. Battleplans which, if you want critical bonuses, you use, makes your entire army to be controlled by the AI. Hence, you're a enormous dumb cunt nigger, in many way HOI4 is more casual than EU4.
>>340642947
>>340645313
HoI4? Just takes a few hours to learn well. Shit is still playable if you don't know half the things. In HOI3 it took a few days to learn basic shit. Of course, if you're jumping from Civ or Total war into HOI4 then it might LOOK complicated, but it's not.
>>340645313
>Strange thing is
Not strange at all, you're just retarded. Accept it.
>>340642615
Italy has the worst military history in the world, that's a poor example
>>340643102
No, it's not.
It took the Americans several years to go through the mainland of Italy, it was incredibly difficult. Italy failed elsewhere, but the defense of their mainland was not one of those failures.
>>340646017
Because Italy was defended by the Germans who had disarmed the entire Italian army
>>340644523
I like everything except that. It's too finicky.
I want to be like Hitler. Controlling armaments, politics, national focus, delegating tasks and controlling major operations but not overseeing minor regiments.
>>340646174
what about ww1 then? Wops managed to defend it from Austrians.
>inb4 faggot brings up that it was hard for Italians to that
I know that, cunt.
>>340646291
faggot.
>>340645876
Hurr derp?
>>340645765
I haven't even done the tutorial, I'm just winging it.
I found the air system a little confusing, I didn't knew it existed untill the game told me that air was an option.
>>340646174
>because
No, you don't get to definitively state that.
The defense of Italy was well done. That's obvious just by looking at how long it took. Whether or not the Germans did the heavy lifting is irrelevant, if you state that the Italians couldn't defend their mainland when they clearly did you are talking out of your ass.
>>340646419
this is a ww2 game friendo, ww1 is irrelevant
>>340646419
the Austrians were kinda crap though, and I'm sure the whole thing being Alps helped
>>340646863
they also fought along the Isonzo river friend, that's plains
>>340646419
put it this way: a lot of people won "wars" against african "countries" but Italians were the only ones to ever brag about it
>>340646609
>I found the air system a little confusing, I didn't knew it existed untill the game told me that air was an option.
Even experienced players have found trouble with that. It's the faggot developers fault there.
>I'm just winging it.
kek, I used to do that in that. There's much more satisfaction in playing when you know what you're doing, pham.
>>340643249
It's so easy to make fun of Italy isn't it? Such a big, easy target. No one ever talks about how they were dragged into a war by a Porky Pig looking idiot, being controlled like a puppet by Hitler.
>>340646815
>stalking about the entire Italian war history
>irrelevant
read the thread, faggot.
>>340642615
>inability to defend their mainland.
Wow, pretty realistic Paradox.
>>340646949
>Things that never happened
Bought the $50. Entered with severe HoI III retardation and ~1200 hours in EUIV.
Saw fall of democratic Czechoslovakia. Rise and fall of Bohemian Empire. Rise and fizzle of Turkish Socialist Republic.
Right now I want to say it's shit. Put it 20 hours, and my thoughts are:
- AI is retarded
- UI is awful
- Gameplay interactions are obfuscated
- Tooltips suck (sometimes)
- Gameplay elements in general are obfuscated
- Extremely repetetive over multiple playthroughs
I also hated EUIV when I first played it, because it suffers from some of what makes HoI IV bad, though. Who knows how HoI will evolve or if I'll come to like it later.
Right now would not recommend playing it, though. Not that anyone who plays it is stupid and tasteless, of course, but if you're on the fence I'm sure it's not going to be worth it.
>>340643208
>tfw im in china and got the game on steam as did my friends
>>340643351
Fuck off paradox
>>340648547
>an unborn
Fixed that for you.
>>340648819
thanx, pham.
>>340648864
any time
Question, I was watching someone play before launch and saw he could compare army/navy/air sizes on a single screen. How do I do that? Also can I see where enemy planes are coming from?
>>340643249
Can you post the other version?
>>340648978
compere you're won troop/navy/air? or against the enemies. You can the former not the latter. Just look at you're man power for how many people you have in the army navy etc. You can also look to the right and look up the army, navy etc overview and then click on details, gives info on how many planes/divisions/fleets etc etc you have. It opens new windows.
I'm still playing Stellaris even though /v/ doesn't allow anyone to think its good
>>340642947
You're a massive scrub. Seriously, this is the type of game that is just menus and a map, and you think that it's bad because of it? AND it's one of the most casual titles they've made yet. There's nothing non-essential because there's not much to manage. Seriously, what would you remove?
>>340643351
>Never ask for the opinion on /v/ its a bigger circle jerk then fucking reddit
Yes tan anonymous shitposting board where every thread is a constant shitstorm of arguments (see: this thread) where no one can ever agree with each other is the biggest circlejerk
Were you dropped on your head as a child?
>>340642615
Got something right. I dont know about you but hoi3 Italy was pretty good.
Invaded uk once.
>>340649459
It's better than HoI IV, at least.
I'm back to EUIV, though.
>>340645136
Does this game end at a certain year? The reason I never got into HoI was because I thought it'd follow history too strictly but now I see this.
>>340650013
The game runs 36-48; you get a score screen in 48. You can conquer the entire world with any nation in that time. It's almost always completely ahistorical, like all Paradox games, because that's the point. But it maintains semblance of historicity, which is also what makes the game fun.
You can play past the score screen in 48 for as long as you want, afaik. It just won't contribute to achievements.
>>340650013
1936 to 1948.
If you like map painting, stick with EU4. From 1936 to 1939 all you do is build up infrastructure and prepare for the big war. In a few patches you won't even be able to play minors as they'll be way underdeveloped and you'll get your ass handed to by Majors. Give it a go though, HOI4 is way more sandboxy, just don't expect to be having small little wars and peacing in 10 years.
>>340649645
>It's better than HoI IV,
LIES
>>340651039
Not even trying to defend Stellaris, though it has some nice things going for it.
What, in your opinion, makes HoI IV worth playing? Or are you being ironic REE all-capper in a sarcastic fit of feigned defense of a shitty new, unfinished Paradox title?
>>340640906
I've been having quite a bit of fun in it, especially when I played as El Salvador and a Mexican player when Fascist and started conquering the rest of Latin America.
>>340642947
>This - like all Paradox games - is a game for accountants. People who don't mind going through endless rows and columns of random numbers, and get excited changing fractions.
HOI IV is literally baby-tier when it comes to the number-crunching. Halo has more numbers than this game.
>>340640906
how the fuck do i navy
like seriously I don't even know how to assign missions and shit
>>340651243
Not him but, I was shitting all over hoi4 in this thread because it is shit, but it's way better than Stellaris. One thing is, you don't get bored even though it's shit, you can still fuck shit up and do neet things. Stellaris gets fucking boring after a few plays. Hoi4 despite being dumbed-down still has much more things to do in managing and war than Stellaris.
>>340651614
Just click on the fleet, move them to an ocean tile and then click the buttons above the individual ship-- for example Patrol, Search and Destroy etc etc. Nigger it's fucking easy, just read the fucking UI.
>>340651614
Click navy
Click mission
Click sea zone
It's so simple the only way it could be moreso is if the computer did it for you and gave you a handjob.
>>340651614
click the fleet, you should see the menu where you can assign the leader and shit. on the top left, there's 4 mission buttons. click one, then assign where you want the mission to be.
>new game comes out
>ITS SHIT ITS ALL TOTAL GARBAGE FUCKING TOTAL SHIT
I'm done listening to you guys. Steam reviews are very positive and I trust them over you guys who just call everything shit. I'm gonna have fun playing HOIV tonight while you guys sit on /v/ saying every game is shit.
airforce confuses me, take germany for example, i spent time building AA and fighters but no matter how i divide my planes even poland has the air superiority everywhere
>>340652480
>coming to /v/ and not expecting negativity
>>340652480
/v/'s advice is best like 6 months after a games release. It's shit before and soon after a games release.
>>340652087
>handjob
It didn't cup the balls, i'm out.
I'm giving this a bad rating on steam reviews..
>>340652480
Look at the most helpful reviews on Steam, not the overall percentage. You will see many of them are negative. It's not just /v/.
>>340652480
>trusting paradox drones
>ever
Go ahead and waste your $50 then, nigger. If you actually read the thread as to why it's shit then you wouldn't be such a fucking retard. However if you're some casual faggot pleb, then this game was made for you.
>>340652585
You don't have enough.
You need at least three thousand fighters and a thousand five hundred strong air zone to attrition the ai's fighters.
The AI puts retardedly high priority on aviation manufacturing.
>retarded AI
>disgusting blobs all over the map by the end of the game (Germany invading France through the Maginot Line/the fucking Swiss Alps)
>Radical Yugomemeia
>BLACKED Hitler and no flag
>Legionary Romania
No thanks senpai, I'll stick to Vicky 2
>>340652480
t. JohanI actually somewhat agree with you, but if you haven't yet I'd seriously suggest pirating it first and then picking it up on sale later.
>>340652585
you need a fuckton of planes as Germany.
>>340652985
>>340652985
>Blacked Hitler and no flag
t. German
>>340652585
The job of a pilot is suicidal, everyone will die. You need at least 30 factories pumping out fighters, maybe more.
