How come a bunch of ex-Wayfoward guys produced a game miles better than the entire Wayfoward library?
Were they being held back or something? What happened? It's like they magically learned to design good levels after they left the company or something, because it's one of the biggest flaws of Wayfoward games.
Yes large companies and publishers are shit. It took you long enough to figure it out
>>340567750
>Yes large companies and publishers
>Wayfoward
WayForward is ridiculously overrated.
Yeah, the girls are cute, but the games are nothing special. Shantae has pretty dull level design only saved by the music.
>>340567607
Whenever I see Shovel Knight discussion there is waifu talk but there is also talk about game play and hopes about the DLCs.
Shantae threads on the other hand are people just posting pictures of Shantae talking about how much they want to fuck her or touch her feet or some other depraved fetish talk.
The reason for this? Shovel Knight has more substance to it than Shantae.
>>340568964
>>340567607
Anyone have an idea of when the next DLC is going to come out?
Also from the look of the progress shown, which do you think is going to come out first? King, Specter, or both?
How long will the wait be between these DLCs and the Gender Swap mode?
>>340568964
>>340568205
At least I respect them for trying to be the characters appealing.
Shantae is indeed super dull. Pirate's Curse was nice though. The mechanics and level design are a huge improvement over past games.
I want to lick Shantae's hair
>>340567607
WayForward is Matt Bozons company. They make whatever he tells them to make.
Some of them didn't like this and left to make their own company. Happens all the time.
>>340571638
I still don't understand what that has to do with the mediocre level design of their games.
>>340572489
Bozon does the bulk of the design himself. And whatever he doesn't design, he personally signs off on. This slows down game production dramatically, as well as stifling creativity. Basically, he's the Lucas of his company surrounding himself with yes men. Whoever isn't a yes man leaves.
To me it feels like Shovelknight benefits from the fact that its so heavily inspired by really good platformers.
Also
Linear obstacle based platformer>open metroid shit
When backtracking is a core mechanic the difficulty and level design has to suffer.
Yacht Club > Wayforward
>>340572689
So Bozon is the reason that the game is taking 3 years to make?
Did they ever explain why the game when from frame by frame animation to tweening?
>>340570227
>>340572771
>When backtracking is a core mechanic the difficulty and level design has to suffer.
It's not even that. Castlevania and Metroid have done good stuff with their design, but Shantae's games are flat and plain for the most part. Getting from one place to another is a chore.
That reminds me, their first Adventure Time game had everything to be decent but the unrewarding combat (as in, actually unrewarding, it was a literal time waster since they just gave you useless items) and incredibly dull dungeons completely killed it.
>>340572771
>Linear obstacle based platformer>open metroid shit
Shantae isn't really a true open world like Metroid. Its divided into levels. Or in the case of the first game, 'zones'. Its more like Zelda 2 or Castlevania II. Pirate's Curse went even further by directly giving Shantae moves taken from Zelda 2 like the downstab (though there's also the speed booster like in Metroid).
>When backtracking is a core mechanic the difficulty and level design has to suffer.
Not really. If you're only reference is Metroid and Castlevania, then you'd probably think that. But look how much shitty backtracking you had to do in Cave Story. And that game was not as easy.
>>340574273
>But look how much shitty backtracking you had to do in Cave Story
Not much as far as I remember.
>Wayforward
>Indie Company that has to do all sorts of licensed garbage to be able to make their actual games
>Yacht Club
>indie group that made their first game via a very successful kickstarter
Gee, I wonder why Yacht Club's only game is better than a library full of licensed shit that Wayforward has confirmed that don't even try with?
Let's see how Half-Genie Hero is first as it is a kickstarted game like Shovel Knight was. Also they made pretty decent games besides Shantae like Ducktales remastered and contra 4
>>340574954
Considering it's the first of their IPs to have some serious backing behind it, it'll probably be great. Everything else they could only do with money they made from making games for other companies.
>bitter mn9 fags trying to drive a wedge between shovel knight and shantae fans by false flagging
lol nice try fags.
>>340574940
People seem to love Contra 4 and Duck Tales Remastered. But the only licensed game I tried from them was Boy and His Blob. And I literally fell asleep playing the game. But then, I can't exactly say Shantae got my adrenaline going either. All those annoying cutscenes in a platformer...arg.
>>340574940
Shovel Knight is better than their non licensed games.
>>340575194
Who's false flagging? Its obvious that SK is better than the whole Shantae series.
They managed to make this shit as slow as the first castlevania, but their fans only care about cartoon tits so they'll praise it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vNfSCB69iT0
>>340575401
>HELLO HUMANS
Nope
>>340575342:^)
>>340567607
I also wondered this. I wonder if Matt Bozon was holding everyone back.
>>340575342
I wonder how barebones SK would've been without that kickstarter money
>>340575850
So where the funds came from make whatever the game is invalid?
>>340575850
how much more barebones can a pseudo 8bit platform game be?
Don't bother reasoning with the new deviantart sonic fanbase
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gpOL5GPdlUw
>>340568556
More like people actually played Shovel Knight
Did somebody say Mighty Number 9?
>>340572771
>When backtracking is a core mechanic the difficulty and level design has to suffer.
Play Muramasa and then come back to say that again.
>>340575668
Was just gonna post this. The way they focus on making more shitty shantae games makes me wonder.
>>340575932
Not really all I'm saying is comparing the Shantae kickstarter game (when it comes out) to Shovel Knight is more appropriate, I don't even know the budget to Pirate's Curse so I can't really say anything about that.
I want to drink Shantae's pee.
>>340576276
>Someone finally makes a Shantae CGset
>it's all rape
Fucking Japan
>>340576205
>mfw people actually backed that piece of shit
>all those autistic comics of beck saving megaman
>>340576206
Muramasa is a boring fucking game where you spend 90% of the time running through empty maps and its not even a platformer.
What a fucking terrible example.
>>340576436
How do you know it's rape? What if they're just surprised?
>>340576073
I did play Shantae. 1 one is pretty so flawed, second one is a good replacement for sleeping pills and third one is pretty alright. The pirate items are such an improvement over the dances.
>>340576253
She's a good mascot but the gameplay really needs to improve.
>>340576579
It's been translatedthe dialogue shows it's rape
Daily reminder
>>340576446
>all those autistic comics of beck saving megaman
>I almost make one of those comics
Good thing I was lazy that time. I didn't even back it.
>>340576636
>play the game
>oh, all the girls are cute, that's nice
>see fanart
>get boner
>>340576636
>She's a good mascot
Totally agree, she got me to play the first on gameboy with her animations alone
>but the gameplay really needs to improve.
We're 4 games in with no signs of improving. This is unacceptable to me personally... like as far as I know they think there's nothing wrong with the games and I just can't hitch my wagon to that, as much as I'd like it to be good.
>>340576835
The atual character art was never designed to give boners, that's why
>>340576862
>We're 4 games in
correct me if I'm wrong but there's only 3 shantae games, the GBC one, risky's revenge, and pirates curse.
>>340576862
>We're 4 games in with no signs of improving.
As I said, Pirate's Curse definitely was an improvement. I doubt Half-Genie Hero is going to be better, though.
>>340576862
>4 games
The 4th game isn't out yet, I mean we still haven't seen a lot of the game yet besides those barebones demos (which I think were just so backers can offer ideas and potential improvements)
>>340576458
>Muramasa is a boring fucking game where you spend 90% of the time running through empty maps
Except every 'map' has enemies to fight. Plus you can skip running through those areas with a bronze mirror. But go ahead and keep pushing that meme.
>and its not even a platformer.
A 2D Action/Platformer is a platformer. Its based on fucking Legend of Kage, a platformer for Arcade and NES. And is in the same genre as Zelda 2 or Castlevania II.
Dumbass.
>>340576730
But he(it?) is a confirmed shitposter
Just like those people that posted all those threads with the Shantae wojak and "IT'S NOT FAIR"
>>340576912
That's such a lie
>>340576636
>The pirate items are such an improvement over the dances.
I disagree. The dances add a lot more variety to gameplay. They just weren't put into a 'polished' game when compared to Pirate's Curse. Though I would hardly call Pirate's Curse polished either.
>>340576712
As long as it isn't Bolo raping her I'm ok. Bolo doesn't even like her, she likes Bolo, but he loves Risky.
>that hip wiggle
>on a fucking GBC
>>340577192
he said the original
after the huge fail that was the first shantae they decided to spend all their budget on fanservice, the games are still awful but at least they attract desperate virgins
>>340577219
Nah. The pirate items didn't make you stop to dance, they integrated to your movement naturally.
If Shantae gained the abilities of her dances without making you stop then NOW that would be an improvement.
>>340577073
Where do I even start
How about the fact that Legend of Kage was always just an action game and not a platformer with extremely flat levels?
That comparison to Zelda2 and CV2 is also really fucking weak.
Either way the game has absolute garbage level design.
Shit example. Game is generally overrated. Only good for its looks.
Only good Vanillaware game is Dragons Crown.
>>340577054
Why do you doubt HGH is going to be better? They could actually give more depth to the gameplay with Tuki offering new dance moves n such, we still haven't seen any items, bosses, or maps yet. Wayforward seriously needs to reveal more info soon the game releases in like 3 months
>>340577313
Shantae doesn't like anyone you tart
And I'm pretty sure Bolo likes all the girlsexcept Skye
>>340577479
>Shantae doesn't like anyone you tart
She asked Bolo out and he turned her down.
>>340577536
When was this?
>>340577387
Yeah, nah. They knew what they were doing with their lame american 90s anime rip-off.
It's pretty nostalgic, though.
>>340577628
Second game I believe.
>>340577439
>Action games can't be platformers
And that's where I stopped reading. Go play your Sonic 2 and revel in your 'platforming'.
>>340577469
>Why do you doubt HGH is going to be better?
Just a hunch based on absolutely nothing.
>>340577764
>being this autismal because you got called out for being a sperg
Not surprising at all.
>>340577192
Shantae in her official art is too cute and innocent for me to find sexy.
>>340577382
god this game is shit
I can't believe I bought that garbage on Eshop.
Remember to always do the opposite of what /v/ says.
>>340577219
I want more rotty dancing. More I say wayforward .
>>340575194
So nice of her to clean up.
>>340577219
>Rottytops
>her top is rotting
>but they're still bouncy
HOW
>>340577869
dunno dude, I was pretty hard during this part
>>340567607
Pitting WayForward against Yacht Club makes me sad
Both do great work
>>340577887
>Remember to always do the opposite of what /v/ says.
So do everything /v/ says, gotcha!
>>340577887
That's what you get for thinking with your penis for a purchase
>>340578072
And I don't think they have any animosity towards each other.
>>340578118
Didn't one of them post a tweet promoting the other's kickstarter?
>>340575401
That guy talking is such a faggot.
I admit, I only like Shantae for the music and the cute.
I mean the gameplay is pretty standard platformer stuff, though it did get pretty fun in Pirate's Curse when you unlock everything.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nm70ikXcok8
>>340575201
Those are the good licenses, if you look at their library they're produced a lot of genuine shovelware bullshit over the years.
>>340567607
They're pretty much the same thing, overly easy platformers.
>>340578214
Pretty sure.
>>340577981
her internal organs became jelly from putrification, it makes sense.
>>340578072
OP here, it's not that I want them to have a company rivalry. It's that I really don't like Wayfoward but they get praise for whatever reason. When Yacht Club was being promoted for being ex-Wayfoward, for some reason this was considered a good thing. It's good that they actually had tons of talent and proved themselves.
Wayfoward is excellent as far as visuals go, but they're just bad when it comes to game design.
>>340575194
not a single person has mentioned mn9 save for you.
Shante is just a bad fucking game but yet again gets put on a pedestal by autist because of waifuz and cute girls.
I think Shantae and Shovel Knight wiuld be friends like OP's image shows. Don't make them seem like enemies.
>>340578296
Why can't I beat the final level as Plague Knight though
None of the rest of it was brick walling me like this
Help
>>340576712
Where? I checked Sad panda. It's just got the japan version.
>>340577834
>>340577439
>>340578535
Keep going.
>>340576206
I've played Muramasa and I have no idea what point you are trying to make by bringing it up here.
>>340578453
>Why can't I beat the final level as Plague Knight though
Fucking Propeller Knight drove me crazy while playing as Plague Knight. Man.
>>340578272
Source please?
>>340578396
I don't really agree
I mean I agree that the level design in the Shantae games isn't particularly impressive most of the time, but the Mighty series is great for it.
Honestly I think it's just a budget/care thing. Everything that WayForward works on is either licensed crap they're doing for the paycheck or their own projects which are full of heart but just don't have financial legs to stand on. I honestly feel like the Shantae games feature pretty basic level design because they're trying to stretch far in all areas compared to the Mighty games which are just a series of well-designed levels with tons of reused assets.
Half Genie Hero will show if my hypothesis is correct or if I'm just a drone making excuses, I guess. Here's hoping.
>>340577991
Not that guy, but that whole segment was wasted potential. Have all the girls dressed in slutty uniforms, but only really focus on it in two cutscenes. WayForward needs to learn to put the focus on gameplay and not the cutscenes. Show the girls doing suggestive things in actual gameplay. Like having to crawl through mud or getting wet. And make the sprite high enough definition so that it looks suggestive. Not just show a still image of the girl. But something tells me even with the next game going HD, they won't figure this out.
Why is Shantae getting whiter and smaller?
I personally have a fetish for ambiguously brown girls so this bothers me.
>>340578453
How? Plague Knight's pretty busted.
Would you impregnate rottytops?
>>340578815
Mostly I keep falling, honestly
>>340578530
Huh. Is there another set somewhere I could be confusing it with? I could've sword it's been translated.
>>340578272
>though it did get pretty fun in Pirate's Curse when you unlock everything.
This. Pirate's Curse was pretty slow and boring. Until you got the final upgrade and suddenly it was amazing. It just makes me want to play a Shantae game with full upgrades from the start. But I doubt they'd ever do that, because then the progression would be dependent on level and enemy design. Which wayforward sucks at.
>>340578837
Do her ovaries even work?
>>340578810
I'm pretty that last image is outdated anon
>>340578810
They asked the kickstarter community to vote on her design. Not even joking.
>>340578810
I liked the 2hu shantae
>>340575194
>>340576205
>>340570227
>>340568964
>beck will only get regular bullying images and no sexual bullying images
why did his game have to be shit?
>>340567607
Is this game coming out or is this just another kickstarter cash grab?
>>340567607
I recently got Shantae and the Pirates Curse. It the best platforming game I have ever played.
>>340577910
I want more thick Shantae. Not fanart, but in the actual game. But Matt will never allow it.
>>340579908
Go play Super Metroid and Super Mario Bros 3 then, bud.
>>340580020
I have and I prefer Shantae. Just personal preference.
>>340579908
I like the game. But I can name dozens of better platformers. Maybe even a hundred.
>>340579915
Thick?
>>340580126
It's ok, dude. I personally recommend Castlevania Order of Ecclesia too, though.
>>340576253
>The way they focus on making more shitty shantae games
You do realize there's only 3 of them so far, right? In how many years? Compare that to all the other projects they've done.
>>340576446
>all those autistic comics of beck saving megaman
/v/ makes overdramatic comics all the time about games ending or being saved. That, and hindsight is 20/20.
>>340580185
That'll do nicely.
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