Great game shit community?
This is general /v/ consensus right?
bone daddy the game
>>340518436
Not so good game.
Shit game, worse community.
>>340518436
It's an ok game. The only exceptional thing it has is the music.
>>340518959
Gona give an actual reason or is it just because its popular.
Eh, it still holds up I guess. I mean it's in no way the masterpiece people say it is but I'd give it another playthrough one of these days.
>>340518436
My favorite game of 2015, but fuck the sperglord fanbase. The only people who outright hate the game haven't actually played it.
my problem with underale is the community entirely, why? because you don't ask a hooker how much for the back door, she already posted the price. with undertale fans, you have to inquire about the most sensitive and secret of topics, even well after you've beaten the game, it's the stupidest thing. they'll advertise themselves a s a good conversation, and then you have to press all the right buttons to pry any decent communication/connection out of them.
>>340518436
this was the post I've been waiting for 2 years
>>340519093
Whole game was just mashing Z to get through shitty dialogue that attempts to be humorous, with a few "bullet hell" sections that are too easy to call bullet hell, it's more like bullet stroll or something.
>>340519170
OP here.
I think people just need to seperate the community and the game.
Anything that gets popular enough will get a shitty toxic fanbase.
Its like five nights at freddys exept five nights at freddys is a cheap cashcowy piece of shit.
There is litterally nothing the game devoloper can do about his community so i personally find it unfair to judge the game itself on that.
>>340519317
I think its very subjective considering undertale is good or bad entirely on its writing and characters and if you dont like them the games gona suck.
I personally thought the comedy was pretty good and the gameplay expressed the characters personalitys but i can understand if you wouldnt like the game if you dont enjoy the humour.
>>340519135
>The only people who outright hate the game haven't actually played it.
I outright hate the game.
I dropped it half way through (the day it was released, aka before anybody was even talking about it) because it was boring as shit. The only reason I picked it back up and finished it is because of threads ranting and raving about it being amazing.
Spoiler : It remained shit throughout the entire game.
Lisa is superior in just about every single way and as an added bonus, its fans aren't fucking SJW sperglords.
>>340519317
>speeds through the dialogue and calls it too funny
>MOM THE GAME IS TOO EASY when he didn't even get to the genocide route
>>340519654
This sounds like you dropped it before it got good, then got annoyed by the people talking about it so convinced yourself you were going to dislike it even after finishing it.
Congrats, you brainwashed yourself.
>>340518436
Average game, real bad community.
>>340519716
>you have to play the game THIS PARTICULAR way for it to be good
Trademark of a shit game.
>>340519716
>too funny
No, I said it tries to be funny. I don't think it was ever funny once.
My main problem with the game is that it's biased toward making you do "the right thing" and every enemy is just some well-meaning goof, veryone is instantly your friend if you just don't kill them no matter what you or they have done.
It should be hard to get by without hurting anyone, there should be moral conundrums and lasting consequences to every single action, not just the "bad" ones, there should be actually bad foes who want you dead and won't change their minds. Life isn't so black and white, the whole game's gimmick is totally half-baked. The characters should be various shades of grey, but we only got white and really light grey.
Papyrus a best though.
>>340519716
Let's not kid ourselves, the game is easy. THe only hard bosses are Sans and maybe Asgore.
>shamed for going the genocide route
>when it has the best bosses, one of which uses tobyfag's magnum opus
>>340520521
>shamed
Nigga what?
>>340520728
in game, you get hassled a lot by the npcs
>>340520728
did you spam Z like me during genocide
>>340520818
hang on. you mean people calling you a dick for the genocide? top kek anon.
>>340520521
toby wouldn't have created it if he didn't want you to see what it was like, anon-kun
>>340520829
I thought he meant outside the game. Of fucking course he gets hassled in game if he's a fucking walking concentration camp
>>340519823
>He formulated his own opinion on the game through his own experience
>Undertale babby mental gymnastics kick in, nobody can ever dislike MY favorite game!
>Y-you just brainwashed yourself!
Alright game, the worst community since Five Nights at Fuckos.
Fun, unique and challenging gameplay, great soundtrack.
Easily forgettable and generic characters topped with lolsorandumb overly quirky humor.
0 replay value.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Arh0mzaQhSE
What do you think of Johnny's review of Undertale /v/ ? For once I'm glad he didn't get swallowed by the hype and uttered some valid criticism.
>>340521198
Then why include the two best bosses in the game
it alright
it remind me of me game
>>340520818
>people get upset at you for killing their friends
HOLY SHIT. WHO'D HAVE THUNK IT
>>340521438
Because if it wasn't for Sans people would just treat genocide as an easy-ass bland route for people who want to be Hitler.
>>340519823
>before it got good
Any game that isn't good from the very first second is shit. This is irrefutable fact. No one should be forced to play through absolute garbage before they reach the "good" parts.
>>340521657
Genocide Undyne was a pretty good fight too, though. Harder than any normal boss.
>>340521657
What if I just want to play against the two best bosses of the game
There's no other way than to kill everyone, even if you don't want to hurt a creature
>>340519823
It's funny because chapter 1/the tutorial was the part that made people so excited for the rest of the game
if he left before it got good he would've been like 5 seconds in, dumbass.
>>340521385
>mental gymnastics
I liked that south park episode, too
>>340521438
Because they're trying to protect their world from a genocidal maniac
Anything involving alternate universes is going to attract a cancerous fandom. Undertale, Homestuck, Doctor Who. I'd like to know an exception to the rule.
>>340521909
>A TV show used that same term you're using so it's wrong
ebin
>>340521970
Super Mario 64 fans are cool.
>>340521563
Undertale is less of a novel than OFF is
OFF is still good though and has arguably better music
>>340521970
JoJo
At least pre-anime
>>340522137
lol
>>340521994
Just recognizing a reference. No need to assume the world is against you and everything they say is arguing against your point.
>>340522192
When does this happen? I've only read the first three parts.
>>340522151
It's also a lot stronger in moral ambiguity, unlike undertale's "you killed them so you're evil" and "you were nice so nice ending", which I think is what a game with strong "feels" should aspire toward
>>340522234
My bad then, it sounded like a snarky comment I swear.
>>340522192
Jojo fans have always been really obnoxious, they've always been like furries in that they take any opportunity to derail conversation with their shit. It's gotten a lot worse since the anime came out.
>10 or 11 tries to beat Asgore
>beat Omega Asshole on very first try
that's what happens when you let a community of tumblr pussies convinve you to spare everyone
>>340521738
Wow I feel sorry for how much you limit yourself from enjoying things in life.
Having such impossible standards is only gonna end up making you miserable and an asshole when people hear you complain everything is shit cause your taste is so high.
Let loose and enjoy life, brother
Pokemon
>>340522427
this is pretty autistic in its own right
>>340522284
Part 6, but I won't spoil it
Now keep reading before someone does
>>340522414
That's a bit vague anon, just because X doing Y so Z must be X isn't a valid argument for comparison
>>340518436
Not as bad as Five Night's at Freddy's. Not even a great game, abysmal community.
>>340518436
The game is a light-hearted comedy 90% of the time, with 10% being some fairly dark stuff, but that is no where near the focus.
The fandom is 90% CRAWLING IN MY SKIN dark and 10% gay
>>340519654
The fact that you called your screenshot "tumblrtale" discredits literally your entire post. Try forming your own opinions instead of being influenced by others, faggot.
>>340522567
My argument is that Jojo fans are really obnoxious.
>>340521970
>tfw i liked both Undertale and Homestuck
I'm pretty much never able to talk about either of them because of all the shitty fans over the years.
>>340518436
the only good thing about this game is its music.
>>340522469
Photoshop Flowey is much more for the OMG WHAT'S HAPPENING experience more than the actual difficulty, there's even a checkpoint in the middle of the fight.
>>340522502
>impossible standards
Expecting something to have consistent quality is not an impossible standard. If you can make a good section in one part of the game then you are capable of making good parts through the entirety of the game.
>>340522760
Those are the anime fags anon, the pre-2012 are pretty cool
All the enemies are either a stroll down the park or a bullshit trial and error bonehell.
>>340522517
Most Pokemon fans are kids. The adult fans can be very autistic with the meta game but they stay in their bubble mostly. It's not like they downvote any video that doesn't give their game a perfect score.
Reminder that this is Toby's magnum opus
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FOJwB80oCWk
I liked the music but the combat was too easy to be enjoyable. Even the trickier patterns are so short that you can just luck your way through the game without ever learning how to play. The only time that isn't true is the final attack each boss has, but you have so many recovery items and ways to build up invincibility that it hardly even matters.
>>340522973
I'M HAVING A BABY AND THE BABY IS YOU
I'M HAVING A BABY AND THE BABY WEARS SHOES
>>340522809
You're not alone anon. Though I do think Homestuck went downhill hard around act 6.
Meh game.
Meh rpg.
The "bullethell" gameplay had two actual fights and then was over.
I mean the last two parts of the genocide route were fun but that was the end. That should've been the first two fights.
>>340523038
No, I completely agree. Acts 1-4 were a climb upwards, Act 5 was great.
Act 6 was fucking garbage that now stands as half the goddamn comic. Don't even get me started on 2-page Act 7.
>>340521864
do you complain about this with every story driven game?
>why cant i just skip to the boss fights? why do i have to go through the levels
>>340523038
As someone who has just started reading homestuck and is on the first chapter im litterally just skimming the pages to get through the mind numbing bullshit.
I assume it gets better than this eventually?
>>340518436
Bad game worse community.
>>340522646
This pretty much.
Now when I see Undertale related stuff, I see edgelord headcanon crap. Though you can ignore that and just enjoy the game for what it truly is.
>>340522760
I think the JoJo fandom being way it is, is due to the anime popularity. Back when it was just the Capcom game, OVAs and old Manga scans, it had a more cult following competed to it today with meme stuff and arguing where you heard 'Roundabout' first.
>>340522968
i just catch the ones that i think look neat. fuck that ev/iv shit
>>340523390
*compared
Fuck
>>340523226
Eh. It's very much a mixed bag. I found the start a little slow too, but if you don't find some of the dumb moments a bit funny, you'll probably not be a big fan of the rest of the comic. If you want it to be a bit more coherent and focused, with an actual plot, you'll get that, but if you're not finding any enjoyment from the current style? Then it probably won't appeal to you, even after it picks up.
>>340522873
Guess impossible standards was a bit of an exaggeration but if you're not willing to give something a chance to enjoy a better part of it you're missing out on those good parts because you've limited yourself
It's up to you though
>>340523223
No I said the opposite, why can't I skip the story for the boss fights anon, read that again
You're not the first anon on /v/ who replied without completely reading my post, is it a common thing here?
>>340522968
That image is stupid. Either just have the bottom panel, or make the bottom panel look like a refined character explosively losing his composure, not a drunk retard. The panels as they are don't fit together.
>>340520521
>tfw I still like the homestuck version more for some reason
>>340523606
It's based off a screencap of some show, where the guy looks like a drunken retard in the bottom one, as well.
>>340523515 I mean i found some parts funny like the jester thing going batshit over the incoming meteor but fucking combining pies with jesters and fumbling around with the deck stacker with terrible lol random humour was pretty shit if im honest.
I heard that the first part was just slow and it picked up though.
>>340523606It's a parody of a Doctor Who image tumblr came up with.
>>340523725
Tumblr memes are so dumb. Like that astronaut moon rock murder meme.
>>340523707
>>340523725
What's the point of drawing it with a pokemon if it already exists in a better form?
>>340523606
Idk about explosively losing composure but that intense squint stare would be pretty good
>>340523101
>That should've been the first two fights.
Fuck me, that would've been brutal as hell. "It's kill or be killed" indeed. If it were the case the game would have been way less talked about.
>>340523854
You could say that of any fucking meme. Why all the patcha redraws, for exmaple?
>>340523842
The YouTube thumbnail shit was pretty funny tho
>>340523719
The absolute best parts of Homestuck are Act 4 and Act 5.
>>340523854
It's just a silly reference because they both have bowties
>>340520378
>Ass gore
>Hard
Literally tell him to stop fighting
Super flower would be hard if you didn't get a checkpoint every five seconds and didn't have so much health
>>340522941
>>340519716
People actually defend that shit of a route? The Genocide route is just crap and boring it really shows without these characters the game is shit on its own, the game is full of it self at some points and is just pretentious garbage.
>>340523908
The first boss fights then.
Obviously have a tutorial and shit.
But everything other than those two fights were boring as shit.
And the normal way through this game is neutral -> pacifist -> genocide
That means a huge fucking portion of nothing interesting gameplay wise until the last two fights in the genocide route.
>>340518436
>Meh game
>Shit community
>>340523657
It has better pacing with an intro, crescendo and outro matching the flash that plays alongside it. The undertale version is much more boring and bland
>>340518959
All MMORPGs.
>>340520818
>WAAH THE NPCS ARE NOT OKAY WITH ME KILLING THEM ALL!
What a fucking babby. Literally getting bullied by FICTIONAL CHARACTERS. You're the biggest wuss I've ever seen.
>>340524123
>both good series
>both loved and ruined by tumblr
>both have creators that hate their fanbase
>>340518436
>shit community?
so like every game ever made?
>>340521389
fuck off you absolute retard
>>340524330
Did Toby outright say he hated the fanbase?
>>340518436
Everyone says the community is shit but all I've seen is really good fan art and funny comics and just people that enjoy the game.
Have I just been lucky? It seems to me like people hate on a game for its popularity to the next level of assuming that because it's popular it'll have a community of shitters, which is pretty funny
>>340520818
>getting "hassled" by NPCs
You for real nigga?
You been told your whole life that everything you do is amazing?
>>340522968
Jesus H Christ, that reminds me.
I went to this Official Pokemon Tournament at a free convention for shits and giggles.
You know when people say things like, "Overweight neckbeard autists" or shit like that. Those kind of people where there in-between playing with little kids and 1 guy yelling at a kid was an "OP (Overpowered) FAGGOT".
>Was watching a screen of a match then hearing the clogged breathing of a fat fuck behind me wearing a Pac-Man shirt made for a size Medium ranting ably the cheapness of using legendary Pokemon, thinking everyone around him cared.
>Parents with kids wishing they could leave. Surrounded by slobs wearing legit Ash Ketchum outfits
>Majority of people were super skinny or fat as Jabba
>Those gross uneven moustaches
>Smelt worse than my fucking Gym
>Only there for half n hour
You think these sort of people don't exist then you release they do. They just don't leave their homes that's why.
>>340519716
The Genocide Route is very grindy and boring as fuck except for TWO boss battles.
>>340524123
absolutely disgusting
>>340521438
Because genocide undyne and the spookier skeltal would never attack you if you weren't going to blow up the universe and fuck up every alternate reality
>>340521438
Your question isn't making sense.
Do you feel personally attacked by the characters in the game?
You you feel the characters disliking the MC for killing them detracts from your experience with fighting those bosses?
>>340524480
Steven Universe fanbase threatened a girl to a suicide so not hating her fanbase would be more abnormal and Tobyfox wanted his game to go out with a whimper instead of the exact thing we have today which he said in a tweet somewhere
>>340524330
>implying toby didn't want this
alphys is full of memes for a reason
>>340521970
Bravely is a very underrated series though.
>>340518436
More like mediocre game, the worst community on the globe.
>>340523575
>why can't I skip the story for the boss fights anon
Because why would the game allow this?
Besides, everything BUT those two fights is piss-easy in genocide anyway, so it's quickly over with.
If you just want to not feel bad for yourself for having to endure "shaming" then I don't know what to say to you.
I hope janitors remove all undertail threads from /v/ and /vg/. It's a shitty flash game and everything that could possibly said about the game has been said. The only "people" that still post about it are furfaggots and they're cancer.
>>340522284
The stand power of the main part 7 villain involves parallel universes.
>>340524746
Papyrus litteraly says "thats the internet, im very popular there you know"
Toby knew what was going to happen.
>>340524746
>alphys i sfull of memes
Which memes?
She's full of stereotypes, sure, but memes?
>>340524578
I've been playing since RBY and that's hilarious. I can't wait for neckbeards to stream themselves playing tournaments in VR.
>>340524291
This is the reason
Thanks anon
>>340524927
It's made in gamemaker, not adobe flash.
>>340524629
Everyone tried, this is more of a mechanical problem than a contextual one
>>340524875
Never said I felt bad for being shame, just that the game was trying, even though you have a perfectly good reason to do the genocide route that doesn't involve being Hitler and that's to enjoy the best boss fights the game has to offer
>>340524987
I thought so too when I first heard that but isn't that just a joke about him having -2 followers and being optimistic about it?
>>340524927
Yeah sure they can remove undertail threads about furry porn.
But if your talking about fucking censoring the discussion of a video game just because you have your opinion on it?
Why dont you go back to tumblr and praise anita sarkesian you special little snowflake.
Im triggered.
>>340525203Yes.
The shitposting against Undertale is really funny to me. It's so obvious that shitposters haven't played the game they're shitposting about, but the game is easily pirateable, less than 200MB, and 100% completion of it takes 20 hours max.
>>340525191
>just that the game was trying, even though you have a perfectly good reason to do the genocide route that doesn't involve being Hitler and that's to enjoy the best boss fights the game has to offer
I still don't know what the fuck you're talking about.
The game is not trying to shame you personally, Anon.
>>340525203
It could be or toby did that so if game wasnt popular it would still make sense.
He did plan for hackers getting to the end of the game via the code so hes pretty crafty.
>>340525252
The types that still post about this game probably fawn over Anita-types on a daily basis. And like I said the only people still talking about this are shitposters, SJWs and furfaggot, all of which would be much happier talking about the game somewhere else.
>>340525281
>Undertale has effectively ruined my entire life.
How can one person be this fucking autistic?
>>340518436
"Meh" game with a really childish and idiotic community.
I still have no idea why this game has such a cult following. Yeah, it's full of memes, like throwing an anime fan into a literal trash can, homo armored buff guys, "wow so deep" plot or "lol so random" temmie shit.
But in the end - it's not really a good game. The story is okay, far from best I experienced, but holy fuck is the gameplay portion just bad. Killing is as boring as possible, while talking and avoiding shit just goes into "wait for them to talk long enough so you can spare them".
I get why kids like it - kids don't know any better, this was probably, for some of them, their first "deep" gaming experience, same with shit like FNAF. It's probably a solid 8/10 game for someone who's like 10 or 12 years old and "nerdy" (whatever the fuck this means anymore), but for anyone who has actual pubic hair this will be really mediocre.
Though the OST is solid as fuck, I hope Toby drops making games and instead goes full into music.
>>340522469
>10 or 11 tries to beat Asgore
Did you do it with your eyes closed or something?
>>340518436
Shit game shit community.
It's as deep as your moeblob VN
>>340525281
I saw a YT rant about how the guy couldn't visit any website or even talk to his roomate without hearing about how DEEP Undertale is. How do you think animation fans felt back in 2011?
>>340525340
Never said it did
You're not the first anon on /v/ trying to use their own logic as arguments by the way
>>340525281
I feel bad for this person, but not for the reason he wants me to.
>>340525601
Have you played it or are you just after those juicy (You)s?
>Toby just wanted to make his own earthboun kind of game
>turns into shit thanks to spergs
I feel sorry for the guy, at least he got some autismbucks from retards
>>340525525
So instead of reading my post first where i say the game itself is good but the community is shit and i just want to have a casual discussion about it you project your own opinions onto me?
Good job buddy.
>>340525596
Like i said, I kept doing the wrong thing to try and end the fight. I only had like two or three healing items and am shit at bullet hells
>>340518436
>reddit humor
>all of hotland
>tries and falls to rip off of earthbound's silly quirkiness+dark undertones
>furries
earthbound is a much better game
>>340525654
I'm not arguing here.
I'm trying to get an answer for the questiong "What are you even talking about?"
I can't figure out through any of your posts of replies what it is you're trying to say.
>>340525893
Just answer me this
If killing is bad, then why does genocide have the best bosses
>>340525763
Why would you feel sorry for him?
His game is very acclaimed and he earned a lot of money on it.
He probably doesn't care much about the opinions of his detractors.
You could find better objects for your empathy.
>Muh es jay dubboyews
>>340525825
Everything that was needed to be said about the game has been said a hundred times and we have a general dedicated to it in /vg/ which really is only taking up space from other newer, better and more important games.
>>340526106
If you really don't think those types of people post here you're more delusional than the rest of us.
>>340525712
I did. And it's in my buyer's remorse category.
>>340519716
>you have to play the game several times to get the full experience
The absolute worst sin a game can commit, and one of the many marks of a shit game. People actually fucking defend Nier's existence. Fuck you /v/.
>>340526052
Did you miss the part in which your character dies horribly by the hands of his own sadism at the end of genocide
>>340526052
I am sorry.
I cannot answer the question.
I just don't see how the two would in any way be mutually exclusive.
I don't see how your question is relevant.
The best (or at the very least hardest) bosses might be in genocide because Toby knew only fans who wanted everything out of the game would go through that run. So there's an extra thing for those guys there.
That's my guess.
>>340526287
For just wanting to play against the best bosses, unless you're Hitler
>>340525609
Name of the video?
>>340526243
Now that what be a reasonable OPINION to hold.
But your asking for janitors to clean entire threads about a certain subject just because you happen to not like them.
Thats called censorship.
If you want a circlejerk of your own opinions where you get rid of every thread that goes against them as i said before anita sarkesian is your best bet.
Now shut up please.
>>340526420
Dude. Again. There's no judgement going on here. Only of a fictional character.
You as the player get to fight your favorite bosses and get the last pieces of the story.
>>340526578
Yeah, but if killing is bad then why does genocide have the best bosses, these two assholes keep dodging the question >>340526287 >>340526360
>>340526428
I can't find it right now but it was in the related videos sidebar of this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n9_SMqVkT10.
Who knows, maybe he was harassed into deleting it.
>>340519837
this
>>340526262
>The absolute worst sin a game can commit
Hahaha, no.
There's a lot of worse things.
And if you're actively looking for easy ways out to call things shit, then what should anyone care about your opinion for anyway.
>>340526637
Are you actually implying that the game is trying to tell you that killing is good because it has the best bosses?
I heard it was good so I checked it out but didn't like it. People said the dialogue was funny and clever but I didn't laugh once. Gameplay was also really boring and generic. Only reason this gets praise is because it appeals to the nu males who only play pixel shit and the people who were nostalgic about Earthbound.
The fact that people consider this a step forward in games is pathetic. It doesn't do anything unique or interesting, it's just a shallow copy of the Mother games. It isn't a step forward in gaming, all it does is encourage indie devs to cling to the past instead of making something different and innovative.
>>340526637
I'm that asshole, and REALLY TRULY there's nothing sensible in what you're asking.
I don't see the relevance. You're starting to sound like the Time Cube guy here.
>>340526637
OP here.
Killing is bad.
Doesnt mean the act of killing isnt fun.
Toby made it so that players who craved a challange would want to do genocide.
But this came at the cost of killing all your friends.
If you truly gave into your gamer instincts and tried to do genocide for the sake of some fun bosses you turned into a monster.
So genocide is a evil run with juicy bosses to lure you in.
At least thats my opinion.
>>340524578
>these people that play a game I don't like just so happen to be fat and smelly
Every time
>>340526645
>SaberSpark
Yup
>>340526712
>Hahaha, no.
>drudging through a potentially shit game once being bad enough
>drudging through it three times to get the """"full experience""""
>fanbase insists that the """"full experience"""" is one of the reasons the game is good
Thanks for responding, I'm still right. At least it doesn't lock difficulties behind playthroughs.
>>340526547
>Now that what be a reasonable OPINION to hold.
Yes, it's an opinion. And it's my opinion. Would you rather I express your opinion? What a stupid fucking thing to say.
>But your asking for janitors to clean entire threads about a certain subject just because you happen to not like them.
I'm suggesting they start clearing up space for games that are actually worthwhile to talk about. And again the only people talking about this shit are SJWs, furfaggots and shitposters. You're not losing anything of any value by cleaning up these threads. At the very, very least you could redirect them to /vg/ or /trash/
>>340526797
Killing is wrong
Genocide can be only accessed if you kill everything
Best bosses can only be accessed by doing Genocide
There's the relevance
>>340526835
What if I just want to fight the bosses without hurting anyone, because the game sure can't shut up about it
>>340526960
>all this slanting, paraphrasing, and strawmanning
Great read.
>single player game """""community"""""
Weirdos posting fan art on tumblr have literally 0 impact on the game. I havent played undertale and probably never will, but this argument is just stupid.
>>340527229
That's why most people judged them seperately
How does it feel knowing most of the characters come from every JRPG games ever? They are all shit, with personalities taken from other characters.
>>340527104
What if you stop being a baby and fight the bosses without caring about hurting fictional characters, because you sure can't shut up aout it
>>340527104
Thats the point you cant fight the bosses you want without hurting your friends.
So either you sacrifise your enjoyment of those bosses so that everyone you know doesnt get raped by pixel hitler or you give in to your want to fight sans and kill everyone.
There would be almost no reason to do genocide if sans wasnt there baiting you in.
>>340526637
Because nobody in the underground actually hates you or wants to kill you
The only things that come close are asgore who tries to kill you because he thinks he has to. He doesn't want to and he's not giving it his all. Undyne hates you and wants to kill you but she handicaps herself for the sake of a fair anime fight
In genocide undyne guarantees her own death by injecting one whole determination just so she can match your power level and sans is some spaghetti god of bullshit who doesn't give a fuck but you kill everyone so hard that he begins to give a fuck and blasts you
>>340527104
>There's the relevance
Which relevance?
>because the game sure can't shut up about it
I don't understand it.
You said you don't feel bad about it, so what is the issue here?
You get Flowey's side of the story, you get the great fights, and you get the last ending.
There's nothing bad befalling you for playing the genocide run.
You also have to kill SOME things to fight Omega Flowey.
Are you complaining about that too? Or do you just not like someone telling you that what you're doing is terrible?
>>340518436
bad game, shit community, gay threads.
>>340527164
Sorry people have different opinions. Cry more
>>340519908
You don't, and no one said so either, retard. The game is good no matter how you play it.
But complaining that the game is too easy and wordy when you're playing the easy and wordy mode, while there's also a hard mode with less dialogue in the game, is pretty fucking retarded.
>>340527164
Fantastic rebuttal.
Played it. Thought it was okay. I moved on with my life.
>>340527490
N-no
Don't insult m'videogame
>>340527490
You made some great points there 10/10 take your (you)
>>340527508
>being told you're an idiot
>cry more
Alright Anon, I will.
>>340518436
no
mediocre product caught up in feelsfag hype
expect a lot of clones
>>340518436
no
popular game = shit community
>>340527554
Why would a post consisting of nothing but spiteful assumptions need an actual rebuttal?
>>340527650
>expect a lot of clones
There's several new Undertale fan games on GameJolt every week.
>>340526759
When will this meme end? I'm no furry, tumblrina, nu-male or SJW and I still loved the game.
>>340518436
>Great game
Undertale is at best a "decent" game.
The story itself is very straightforward, and the inclusion of themes doesn't automatically make something deep. Literally every story has driving themes and ideas behind it, and the presentation is what makes or breaks it. Undertale goes out of it's way to lay out two options for you: Are you going to be a heartless monster and kill all the nice creatures of this world, or are you going to be super nice and love everyone and live in peace. There's no moral grey area, no ambiguity, no pragmatism. The entire conflict centers around an angry child throwing a large scale temper tantrum because he wants to play with his friend. In theory the idea could be cool, but instead of making the character interesting and sympathetic, they just go for some cliched sob story with no thought put into it and the most tumblr tier furry bff I've ever seen.
The characters themselves aren't that good, they're all just exaggerated caricatures of "nerdy" traits, and they get downright insufferable at time. "HAHAHAHAHA he's the autistic skeleton with a heart of gold! HAHAHAHA he makes corny jokes but is really a badass powerhouse! HAHAHAHA she pretends to hate you but she's really like a big sister! HAHAHAHA us anime nerds!" The game is extremely on rails, and the choices don't matter beyond "Do you want to be a sack of shit or the savior of their world?" It's extremely black and white with no depth, and my claim is validated by the fact that you have to go completely in one direction or the other to get either of the real endings. Don't pretend this is Crono Trigger where the plot can play out one of a dozen ways and choices actually matter, the only choice that matters is "Am I doing pacifist or genocide mode?".
>>340527675
I think the equation is
Internet community = shit community
>>340518436
everywhere you go it's all shit. community gets shit because of stupid memes
>>340527870
The themes themselves are pretty shallow. The entire game is basically "Hey, people have insecurities but that's ok! We have them too! We can all be dorky friends together!" I honestly can't see the appeal if you're not an angsty teenager who's still going through their identity crisis years (this is why the game earned the nickname tumblrtale). On top of that, the 4th wall shit isn't funny. When I walk into a town and the shopkeeper makes a comment about not buying my trash, I chuckled. When the innkeeper next door says "You only slept for 2 minutes lol" it gets grating. You can't just drive every joke into the ground like that. Overall, I think the playerbase is actually retarded because of how many complain that the game "tricks" you into killing your Toriel, because one of the frogs that explains game mechanics literally tells you to spam mercy even if you think it's not working.
>>340527729
>spiteful assumptions
The fanbase/fandom/community/whatever the fuck you wanna call it, as an overwhelming majority say that the multiple paths contribute to the games overall quality and insist that they should all be played through despite half of them "not having the heart" to play through Genocide, which is honestly really cringey.
>>340527810
no, anon, not fangames
regular ripoffs from people looking to make ten million dollars
>>340527963
Speaking of gameplay, this is the one area the game could make up for the weak story and characters, and people praise it so you'd expect it to be pretty good, right? Wrong. The bullet hell stuff is fun for about 45 seconds, then anyone who's actually played a bullet hell game would get bored out of their skull. The first area is pretty cool and has some nice atmosphere, but once the first big "twist" is revealed and you enter the real world, the atmosphere fades fast. By the time you get to the magma place, the level design is garbage and a complete slog to get through. Puzzles are boring and aimed at actual retards, and what's worse is during the magma place you have to do a little tile moving puzzle to open a lock. The puzzle idea is pretty cool and I was excited to see the more difficult ones after I'd done the first two "let's show you the ropes" puzzles, but the fun one's never came. The game constantly teases good ideas, then just betrays expectations. "Oh what's this, the last boss destroyed my mercy button to show that this fight is kill or be killed and did it by playing off a game mechanic? That's pretty cool! Oh wait, the last boss looks like a rejected witch form Madoka and now the game is going full meta mode by saving and reloading my game." The game has no restraint or nuance to it, it's like a child trying to bake a cake and deciding that the cake should be 100% made of frosting.
The soundtrack is really good though, I'll give you that.
>>340527870
>the only choice that matters is "Am I doing pacifist or genocide mode?"
Or the neutral run.
That's a different ending.
And the game changes throughout because of it, which is a little different from the endings in Chrono Trigger, where most of the actual game is the same.
I don't think anyone really "pretended this is Chrono Trigger" anyway.
>>340528073
In conclusion Undertale is a game that appeals to casuals and not /v/ autists
>>340527349
Never said I did, just a what if
It's weird for the game to punish you for killing everyone by giving you the best bosses
>>340527353
The reason should be that it's an extra route for Hitler-players, since that's how the game interacts with you in Genocide, but now its also for people who want to experience the whole game
I know that was Tobyfox's design, but it's a bad design
I should also repeat myself before you derail with it; I don't give a shit about what the game says about me but why it says it
>>340527408
That's another point, how the hell is it murder when enemies charge at you
That's not murder, that's self-defense
Then it tries to guilt-trip you into defending yourself, that's just dumb
>>340527467
>Which relevance?
>If killing is wrong, then why does genocide have the best bosses
>Killing is wrong
>Genocide can be only accessed if you kill everything
>Best bosses can only be accessed by doing Genocide
>There's the relevance
There's nothing more to it, try to figure out the relevance first before replying, because don't expect one from me if you don't
>>340528070
Well who cares. If they're well done they could be fun.
I'd be very hard to do a straight rip-off without being called out on it, though.
It's a very destinct combination of mechanics.
But maybe those who "rip it off" will do something better. With a better sotry. And better graphics.
>>340528472
no one cares about being called out, except other tumblr users
what will happen is you will have straight up copies of bad not-rpgs, and then after a glut of those form people take the same tactic of undermining conventional game mechanics and coupling it with a story for emotional children, and apply it to other genres of game. fps games that are anti-fps games, shmups that are anti-shmups, and you will have your own little "roguelite" label for shit that isn't what it looks like it is
>>340521389
More or less spouted out the obvious that genocide is a shit route.
Can't sacrifice fun to hammer a message in.
How does it feel knowing gay fish is literally a carbon copy of a character from a niche porn game?
>>340528358
>try to figure out the relevance first before replying
Reading that whole post or yours just now though though, I still don't understand what you're talking about, anon.
You talk about guilt-trips all the time, but then say that you don't actually have an issue with it.
You talk about Hitler for no apparant reason, and not wanting to be him, but I don't see what the relevance is.
I don't see what you mean about bad design. There's a sad version of the story, where everybody gets killed, and the one character who'd ordinarily never fight at all explains to you why he has to take a stance.
You talk about being punished, but there just isn't any punishment anywhere to be found. I don't know what the flying fuck you're talking about. You're not as a person being put to shame. You're not enduring any lessons from anyone about how it's wrong to kill. You just hear their frustration and despair, and in the end you face the consequences.
It's not punishment for wanting to play the "best bosses" it's just the version of the story in which the "best bosses" happen to be present because it makes sense that they'd care this much given the circumstances.
Nobody is trying to make you feel bad as a real person for virtually killing virtual people.
>>340528930
Again, who cares.
You can just not play them.
You're already NOT playing all the wait-em-out games on mobile devices, despite there being infinity of them and billions of dollars going into making them and their ad campaigns.
There will still be good games, anon.
>>340526262
>play a game several times
The genocide run is pretty much a completely different chapter of the game but in the same setting. It's not the same; it's not running through the same game multiple times.
>>340529321
because they will be a wall of cringey shit and they will shit up this board until people get bored of the formula
what business is it of yours what i care about, anon
why is it you are the only person that is allowed to have opinions or to type things without some whiny tumblr baby asking them why they have them
>>340529398
And already playing pacifist is more of a puzzle game than the neutral run, becuase you have to figure out how NOT to kill the people that want to stop you.
And at least for me, the game is short enough that I don't actually mind going through it again. You get a different side of the story each time.
>meme games
>>340529557
Try to be less offended for no reason, though.
I'm not saying you can't have an opinion.
I'm just saying there isn't any reason to care that a lot of shitty games might potentially soon exist.
Lots of shitty games already exist.
>>340529795
>memes about games being meme games
>>340528193
Neutral run is a non ending, Crono Trigger had an ending where everyone became frogs, and 12 or so different endings. You're dumb.
>>340529818
reddit spacer, i am not offended
i am turning your babiness back on you, because you are a disingenuous cunt
you are seriously concerned that i possess and expressed a prediction of how greedy hacks will turn the financial success of undertale into another shameless copycat mess that will shit up a board that i read
just like every retard fad and inevitable
it hurts your feelings and motivates you to be an inane cunt
why do you care that i care anon??? huh??? why????? people care about all kinds of things; there's no point in caring about what they care about1111
stop
>>340529916
Not that guy, and I never played it, but does it not have literal neckbeard weaboo memes like
>lol I wish anime was real XD
???
>>340530349
Of course it does.
>>340530404
So it's a meme game then.
And also memes I personally hate, so that makes it even worse.
>>340530092
As I specifically said, I'm NOT copmparing them.
And neutral run -is- an ending. Saying it isn't, is sort of a dumb thing to say. There's even a lot of varieties in the messages you get after you make it out, depending on who you left alive.
Though I get what you mean. It doesn't resolve much. And if you don't this the writing, these messages might be worth nothing to you.
Personally I enjoyed leaving Mettaton in charge.
>>340530505
Maymays and stereotypes are substitute for creativity.
genocide should've been shorter. The way it was implemented gameplay wise was stupid.
Other than that is a pretty decent game, and agree on community,
>>340530181
Alright alright, you got me.
I'm sorry anon. I should have been more considerate.
I'm sorry. Have one of my Twix.
>>340530349
How was that ever a meme?
And nobody actually says that specifically.
>>340530974
>How was that ever a meme?
>>340531150
How is you post answering the question or proving anything?
>tfw never going to tap dat ass
>>340530846
I was just sad I didn't get to kill Alphys.
Though I get what you're saying if you mean that having to grind felt like a chore.
I've had to grind considerably harder than that in 70h RPGs that only had content for 20, though.
>>340521738
>Any game that isn't good from the very first second is shit
This is preposterous. A game is built entirely on its presentation on everything, whether it be for story, gameplay, or whatever in between they're trying for, and from beginning, middle, to end.
No, nobody should be forced to play through bad parts before getting to the good ones, but it's delusional to say the entire game is bad should it have one segment like that. That's just a small instance of the game being victim to partially unfortunate design. By that logic, a game being bad for 5 minutes at the start but being amazing for 60 hours entirely is garbage. That's straight up illogical. Or for a more stable instance, saying a game was bad for 20% (put in any order you want, 20% bad at the beginning, 10% bad at the beginning then the end, so on) but amazing for the same effectiveness at 80% is in its entirety, a preposterous viewpoint.
Mediocre game, shit community.
>>340518436
I had fun with it, probably more then most of the games released in 2015
>>340531761
What games did you play in 2015?
>>340521738
>Any game that isn't good from the very first second is shit.
I thought Undertale was good from the start.
I'm not saying you should, though.
I don't keep playing things I don't particularly care for either.
I've tried playing both Bioshock and Half-Life 2 several times, but the beginnings suck too hard.
So it's okay.
I applaud you for actually finishing a game you felt that way about, though. I don't think I've ever done that. Not with one of such a length.
>>340524123
>"after not surviving"
LOL
>>340531841
MGSV, Witcher 3, Hotline Miami 2, Life is Strange, Axiom Verge, Invisible Inc, Just Cause 3, Rainbow Six Siege, probably a few more that I forgot about
If I had to award GOTY it'd be a toss-up between Undertale and Siege
>>340531258
>>340531150
>>340530974
>>340530349
I'm still interested.
Talking about whether anime is real has never been a meme in itself as far as I know of.
But maybe it's just because I don't go to /a/?
You'll notice /v/'s criticisms for Undertale are generally awful because they're mostly based on "the game didn't do this" instead of explaining directly in detail without nitpicking what was wrong with how it went about things. Either that or generic single sentence complaints that don't hit details and are somehow supposed to work anyway for some reason.
This isn't exclusive to any place or anyone in any way. It just happens so prominently in Undertale threads. It's depressing how a number of you may genuinely think your opinion is well crafted when they're done with such little effort and thought, yet so rehashed.
Seriously, take a drink every time you read "it wasn't funny" or "it's too easy" with no explanation how this managed to account for a majority of the game's presentation.
>>340529014
What game?
>>340532660
Nice try, Ron Paul.
>>340532976
I'm serious though.
It's a running internet gag, but are any of the specific quotes used in the game discernible as "memes"?
>>340524084
Asgore is pretty hard on neutral.
>>340532912
>>340532909
/v/ generally hates funny things though. Because it's easy, and makes you you think you look intelligent, if you're too alert and aware to be surprised by a gag/punchline/unexpected element/exaggeration/loss of status/insert-other-comedic-tool.
For some reason, people seem to also be straight up angry about things that "just weren't funny". As if they're indignated that others would require them to have had a laugh.
It's a two-way "wanting to be smart" and "wanting to be the outsider/victim".
The angst is strong.
>>340533432
Makes me feel like Toby probably played that game.
Does she cook like in Regular Ordinary Swedish Mealtime as well?
>>340533668
You do realize that trying to be funny, but not being funny actually makes people dislike you, right?
>>340533813
Maybe in teenage angst land.
In any case, that's a rather interesting realization this discussion regarded.
Because disliking someone for not being funny when they're tring to be funny, makes you funny.
It makes you look small. You loose status by loosing your wits and temper. Loss of status is always funny.
id definitely say so, though general consensus on /v/ is that all it's good for is making a thread where people can shitpost rampantly non-stop until it 404's.
>>340534162
Look up Nancy Bell's research, m8.
>>340534162
Before I go, because I have actual things to do, I just have to point out how embarrassing your little spiel is for you. Have a nice day. :^)
>>340534485
Thanks.
>>340533196
"You're gonna have a bad time," can be construed as the South Park meme, but i don't think Toby meant it in that way.
>>340527525
>the game is good
"no"
>>340534281
I'm only vaguely familiar with it, so I'll read up. Thank you.
Look up IMPRO and Improv For Storytellers by Keith Johnstone.
>>340518436
I seem to recall there was a poll a while ago that hate a supermajority of /v/ liking it.
But I dunno. /v/ is not one person and I'm sure there are plenty of people that the game just didn't click with
>>340534707
Mr. Mackay is supposed to generally be softspoken in that sense though, so I think this might be a case of similar sources, i.e. terms from modern american parenting.
