Should Blizzard nerf Genji? http://www.strawpoll.me/10436232
They already did.
thats not Mei
>>340479485
>Nerfing the worst guy
lel
>>340479485
Dont even play genji, just don't be a retard and fall for it
>>340479485
>Nerfing the most balanced hero
no
Yes. No reason he should be able to deflect shit like rivets and rockets
Ok I've never played this game but anytime I enter an overwatch thread there seems to be a ton of people complaining that X needs to be nerfed.
X is always a different character and I've probably seen you guys each list every character in the game so the only conclusion I can come to is that EVERYONE is overpowered and needs to be nerfed.
Or maybe you guys just get killed by X a lot and you come here to bitch about it.
>>340479852
Most of the balance will probably happen in response to trends in competitive play, and Mei is useless at the competitive level, so chances are she might get a buff at some point.
>>340480352
Not everyone is OP
Hanzo is fucking garbage in every way, but if you play pubs you will ALWAYS have a child on your team that chooses him.
They just need to remove hanzo from the game, its just a trap for normie retards
>>340480352
The real only way to tell if someone needs to be nerfed or buffed is by playing them for a while.
After playing Bastion for 2-3 hours, you realize he is shit and easy to kill as long as the other team attacks from different sides or has half a brain.
Genji is really good, but only if you know how to aim and are incredibly good at exploiting his mobility.
McCree is the only character you can pick up and instantly be beast at. That is why he is getting a nerf soon.
So people who cry nerf are most definitely shitters who just play one hero. Probably the one that is countered by the hero they want nerfed.
Genji's fine, you probably just got dominated by a good one.
>>340480352
Genji's only as good as the player using him. He's one of the most balanced heroes in the game. A good player will rape with him, but a bad one is the deadest weight you can get.
>>340479485
>Genji
>Do literally nothing untill ult is ready
>EUGENE IS OKAY CUTLERY!!!!
>Kills all the squishies
Think he just needs to be changed up a little bit though not necessarily nerfed
>wanting to nerf one of the only heroes that actually takes skill to play
>>340480765
And he probably did shit for damage. What's the point in even playing him? I can play as roadhog and heal for 3x that and still deal gold damage on the team and have gold time on the objective. Aka being a help to the team. Evry fucking retard plays genji and I've lost so many games because of how useless they are.
>>340481046
>Try this after level 25
>Exploded before the first sword swing
You don't balance games around retards/
>>340481046
>people getting killed by Genji's ult
I don't understand why people only shoot Pharah when she does her ult. Reaper, the Junkrat tire, and Genji are never shot at, people just try to run from them.
Maybe if people were smarter they wouldn't die from him.
>>340481138
>genji requires skill
I wonder when this meme will end.
>>340481204
Because >>340480909
He has a high skill ceiling.
>>340481226
>implying people play with levels similar to their own
Yesterday I played with a level 90 and level 50 on the other team, and I was only level 19
>>340480352
How the hell could anyone argue for a D.Va, Zenyatta, Zarya or Phara nerf?
>>340479485
/v/ should nerf overwatch threads
>>340481253
Fucking right nobody ever helps me shoot him
>>340481284
You're a victim of a good genji, aren't you. Despite how easy they make it look, it's hard to play well with him.
>>340481327
This. I'm only 23 and regularly get matched up with literal no life level 100+
How little of a life must you have to be that fucking high already? Like you must have no job, no friends or family or anything. They probably barely even sleep or eat or bathe. Its gross.
>>340479485
>http://www.strawpoll.me/10436232
>overwhelming no
>thread is full of ''no''
Haha, wow, this has not worked out the way you planned, huh OP?
Might want to delete this thread before you kill yourself.
>>340481476
I've been playing everyday since the start with 2+ gold a round and I'm only level 30. Don't get how it's even possible.
>>340481284
Try playing Genji, record it, and replay
Then you'll notice many MANY mistakes. "I should've reflected here" "Could have jumped there" "Should use the right click more often if i'm in close range" etc
There's always something to do better with him
>>340481471
No I play Genji pretty regularly and I do just fine with him. I'm nowhere near good. You just have to not be retarded. He's pretty easy to shut out as well.
>>340481476
>>340481631
getgud
lvl130now
>>340481858
>over 100 hours already
And my point stands. Literal overweight NEET.
>>340481858
Has absolutely nothing to do with how gud you are.
Gold medals give almost no xp
>>340481934
b-but im /fit/ anon
just because you suck doesn't mean a thing
I wake up, go the gym, and play vidya all day
u mad? :^ )
>>340482004
this was when i was lvl116
Why is everyone asking for nerfs to just about everyone?
I think the only characters I've seen that people aren't asking to be nerfed are Zenyatta, Zarya and Trobjorn
Is everyone fucking broken or something?
>>340482147
PC players want Widow and McCree nerfed
Console players want Torbjorn and Tracer nerfed
shit players want Mei and Bastion nerfed
>>340480352
>>340482147
I definitely should have read the thread first, whoops
>>340482245
let me tell you torbs turret is bullshit. infinite range and instant lock on
>>340482034
How often do you gym?
Whats your prs?
What exercises do you do?
What workouts do you do?
Tell me.
>>340481858
>average 412 healing
>average 1 solo kill
>only 54 second objective time
I think it's high time someone learns how to play the objective.
>>340480352
>>340482147
The only character I legit never saw anybody ever ask to be nerfed is Zenyatta.
>>340482405
I sincerely hope youre a console player
>>340482405
But it's easy as fuck to take out if you are even average at the game.
>>340482405
>infinite range
you shouldn't lie
>>340482405
And yet nobody seems to understand that it just fucking melts to anything. I fucking WISH it were as duarble as Engineer's level 3, but fuck. His turret will only survive as long as his team can defend it/him. Same with Bastion, except Torb's turret is more reliable.
>The most braindead character
>Nah dont nerf him
Literally no skill required.
>>340482147
It's funny cause the dyke could use some tinkering honestly.
>>340482423
6 days a week PPL/PPL
185 bench press
(no OHP)
135 military press
200 pendlay row315dealiftyes i know, pretty weak cause i dont dealift cuz its fooken gay (PPL not good for deadlifts)
225squatFUCK squats lamauuuuu
anything else you dyel fuck :^ )
can any of your cuck heroes compete with this?
>McRee is too fucking easy to play, you shouldn't be able to flash/fan and kill every single hero in the game before they can react
>Widow is too good, and before long all the gregors will have warmed up and every game will have a widow raping. Her charge rate, her damage, the bullshit hitboxes, the good dps automatic rifle, that at least 50% uptime on wallhax, and her FUCKING SNIPING FIRE RATE need to be toned the fuck down.
>Mei and Bastion are fine once you make it out of cardboard league
>Lucio needs something to reduce his ability to shit out healing without even thinking
>Mercy's ult need to not be one of the fastest charging in the game
>Zen needs to not fall over to a stiff breeze
>Tech support needs to be useful in more than 5% of games
>D.Va needs to do more than be a bit annoying to snipers and give the enemy team free ult charge
>Reaper's teleport aiming needs to not be so fucking retarded, could maybe go for a slight reduction in damage fall off, firerate, reload speed or making some of his health armor so he doesn't get insta fucked in any straight up fight beyond dick sucking range
>There needs to be some limiting factor to prevent Hanzo and Junkrat from just spamming their shit at chokepoints and getting a fucktonne of kills. The arrow headshot box also needs to be fucking toned down and the scatter arrow needs to do less max damage over a more consistent area
There I fixed the game
>>340479485
they need just just put a 1.5x multiplier to everyone's speed. would fix the game immensely
>>340480352
No one begs for Zenyatta nerfs.
>>340482834
Junkrat, in fact thats one of the reasons he became my main
>>340482567
The turret wasn't built to wreck everybdy's shit by itself, you're supposed to be constantly putting down more turrets as they get destroyed until you can build up your ult, THEN the turret can hold its own during the ult time.
Also Torb's gun is severely underrated, its basically good at all ranges and does great damage, you're supposed to be fighting WITH your turret, not letting it do all the work for you. Don't be afraid to just plop down a level 1 turret when engaging the enemy to force them to either take their attention away from you or get hit by the turret's 100% accurate fire if they go for you instead.
Trying to play Toblerone like you would play TF2's Engineer is the single worst thing you could possibly do as him.
>>340482034
Playing 24 hours a day doesn't mean you're good at the game and that I'm bad because I don't lol stop trying to justify your pathetic existence.
>>340482423
>>340482818
oh, all for 6+ reps. Not 1rm
>have more gold medals than bronze and silver
>have more silver medals than bronze
Kek
>>340483172
but i am good :^ )
well, it's about high time i crush more pubs
Genji - give each star hit a buff of 5 damage (I think the damage is kind of pitiful on them)
>Mcree
No fucking reason his flashbang has the AoE it does, and stuns are bullshit. Just make it blind.
Rest of the assault characters I think are fine
>Bastion
Give minigun a slight spinup, and a button to keep it spinning.
>Mei
Add an extra second required to freeze or something. It's kinda shitty how 1 v 1 Close Quarters she wins.
>Torb
Only real complaint is that turrets can fucking hone in on you in a split second like no big deal when you are behind them. That's something that really should be fixed.
>Widowmaker
Increase charge time for the shots. Or just do something about bodyshots in general. Sniping should require at least a LITTLE more skill than that.
>D.va
More damage please! In fact, allow her to attack while that shield thing is up. Would make her a much MUCH viable tank
>Roadhog
Increase the cooldown on his healing item
>Zarya
I love playing Zarya , but I think her shields could last an extra second across the board. She's not as useful as a tank with her shields, so I think an extra second in length would be awesome.
>Symmetra
God where to begin? Maybe a bit more HP on the shields she gives, and increase the range of her primary weapon.
>Zenyatta
Kind of a suffering character, considering Mercy can do what he does and doesn't get rekt as hard. I would give him an HP buff of +50. He will always be outclassed save for his ult, but I don't think he needs to be as paper as he is.
Thoughts?
>>340482818
>6 days a week
Enjoy giving up earlier than expected, you really should be going 3 days a week giving rest days between allowing your muscles to regenerate after long workouts.
>those numbers
At 6 days a week I expect you got to those numbers after a monthish.
>not doing overheadpress
>DL literally works out every muscle needed for gym
>benching that close to squats
Holy shit, I hope you only DL once a week too.
>>340483178
>not doing 5 reps on compound workouts and 10 on isolated workouts
Theres no point replying to you even more
>>340483290
Thats easy, because literally everyone your teamed up with seems to have never played a game before in their life.
>>340483315
>buffing Symmetra's primary
the absolute madman
>>340483396
But I have over 80 hours already. I'm just above average ;)
>>340483315
>It's kinda shitty how 1 v 1 Close Quarters she wins.
thats exactly what she was designed for
>>340483552
Woah!Hold up!
>>340483396
you fell for the SS meme son
I train to look good
I've been at this for 1.5 years with breaks for injuries (didnt know what i was doing in the beginning)
>At 6 days a week I expect you got to those numbers after a monthish.
lmaooo no. You make NO strength gains at 6 days a week. You literally know nothing and it shows lmaoooo
>>340483552
>character specifically designed to automatically win close quarters in a game where the primary objective is to stand in a certain spot
>>340483707
Mei's #1 counter is engaging two enemies at once
>>340483648
See, McCree is Mei if she wasnt shit
>>340483757
Yeah that isn't a counter retard.
They need to play pyro in tf2 so they can figure out how to properly balance mei
>>340483707
>you have to stand on the objective to shoot people who are contesting it
>>340483876
>Yeah that isn't a counter retard.
Mei has a bunch of actual counters outside of that but you'll never have to use them since she cant deal with groups at all outside her ult
>>340479485
The only change needed is that he should only be able to deflect ults if he has activated his ult and used deflect
A single button press neutralizing an ult is one thing but deflecting it entirely is ridiculous
>>340483992
her only real "counters" is pharah and junkrat, and those aren't actual counters, they're just people who can prevent themselves from dying to her
>>340483876
Reaper counters her hard
If he aims good he can meatshot her down before she can freeze him
If she gets the jump or he misses a few he can *ghost away* and either fuck off to a health kit or re-engage with the reset freeze time
>>340483491
It's not that I underestimate the amount of damage she does - I just think it's a matter of making her more useful later into defense games. Once the need for a TP becomes less useful, she gets outclassed by torj unless you have a specific choke point you're worried about. I'd just like to see her used for more than shitting out teleporters.
>>340483552
Well it's fine that she can win in CQ vs anybody else - but I find some of her abilities + the CC to get to a point that is far beyond just being "unforgiving." It's not something I'm really all that attached toI got gud, but I think there's some room for improvement.
>>340484081
You forgot reaper, reinhardt to an extent, Mercy can escape, and Zarya can toss up her shield.
>>340484081
listen bud, if youre so sore about cheap 1v1 deaths then why didnt you just stick to your team?
>>340479485
Genji does not need a nerf.
He's just fine as he is, he's capable of kicking ass but he's also capable of getting his ass kicked.
Pharah is the best pub stomper
Junkrat is POTG darling
>>340484203
I think what would help a lot is some sort of indication about how close you are to being frozen, and how long you'll be frozen for
>>340483315
Awful suggestions.
Genji is balanced.
McCree is broken, the solution is either changing the flashbang or having a cd for fth.
Bastion is fine. What is the point of giving him a spin time and a button to keep it spinning. At that point you should just nerf set up time by whatever spinup you think should exist.
Mei is supposed to win in close range.
Torb is fine, turrets are supposed to require a tiny bit of teamwork or just range to destroy.
Widow's sniping is fine. Her assault rifle shouldn't do as much damage.
D.va would be broken if she could shoot while blocking everything, especially if you increased damage. A damage increase wouldn't be bad.
Why are you nerfing roadhog?
Zarya is balanced. She is like the Zenyatta of tanks. She isn't meant to be a Reinhardt or Winston level of frontline, she's a secondary tank.
Symmetra is fine.
Zenyatta could use 25 more health (or maybe shield, hopefully shield). This would also be an indirect nerf to widow not being able to one shot him (which I think makes snese).
you shouldn't be able to reflect ults thats about it
>>340485303
>Widow's sniping is fine
The amount of damage she can shit out at her firerate is ridiculous
Something needs to be toned down
>>340480352
if its a blizzard game 80% of the discussion is begging for balance changes hoping it makes the game easier to play for the whiners
>>340483315
>Genji
He's fine. If anything I'd buff him with a 1 second shorter cooldown on deflect, but he's fucking fine
>McCree
Flash bang aoe NEEDS a nerf. FtH NEEDS a cooldown
>Bastion
Bullet spread in turret form
>Mei
Ice cube thing can be broken/she doesn't heal
Primary gun fire doesn't start slowing INSTANTLY
Gun needs less fucking ammo
Should not be able to contest a point while invuln
>Torb
Sentries need tracking delay and a range reduction. ScrapLOLthe scrap gathering and just give him an auto 25 for eliminations
>Widowmaker
Change the rifle to have a low rate of fire or be bolt action
Lower the fucking ammo
Have her fucking flinch when taking damage
SMG mode should not be on par with 76's
If she dies her ult should end prematurely
Lower damage overall, a body should that's barely charged should not go over half of most peoples health
>D.Va
Crit box moved to the back of the mech
Cannons damage increased
Movement speed while shooting removed or lowered
Can shoot while using defense matrix
>Roadhog
He's fine
>Zarya
Shields last long enough, if anything they should be a second shorter
>Symmetra
She's fine
>Zenyatta
Change 50 of his HP into armor, increase movement speed. Healing orb also increases movement speed of the person it's on
>>340480352
Yeah I normally don't complain about games I don't care about but has there ever been an overwatch thread that wasn't people just whining about balance? Shits annoying as fuck, especially when there's multiple threads of it
>>340479485
Blizzard should nerf the following and ONLY the following
>Ult charge rates accross the board
>McCree's damage
>Widow's damage/rate of fire and ultimate
>playing bastion
>left clicking to victory
>suddenly genji jumps into my bullet stream
>immediately stop firing because I'm not retarded
>tickrate decides I should take 200 damage anyway
>genji right clicks to finish me off
genji needs a buff you retard, his ult is garbage
>>340486805
fth has a cooldwon familia it's called reloading
aka balanced mcree
>>340480352
The only character that actually needs a nerf is Mcree and his fan the hammer.
Thats literally it, believe no one else. He shouldnt be able to solo tanks. He is only suppose to 1v1 small squishies
>>340481578
>>Haha, wow, this has not worked out the way you planned, huh OP?
but i just wanted to know /v/'s opinion and i got it. Worked exactly as planned
>>340487215
*rolls in front of you*
pssht, hold up
*kills you*
>>340487215
And what happens when he rolls anon?
>>340487292
DELETE IT
>>340487107
Why would they nerf Widows ult when Hanzo has a similar ability on a regular cooldown? That doesn't make sense, man. Widow's ult is underpowered compared to everyone elses.
>>340483315
>He will always be outclassed save for his ult,
Not in damage. Zenyatta is basically an off-healer/tank hunter
>>340487207
Your swift strike resets on ANY elimination. You should be fucking zipping around confusing people not walking up to them M1'ing. Of course if you dive into 5 people with no distraction you're gonna get blown up.
>>340487424
Widow's ult is fundamentally overpowered
>can not be disabled by killing her
>can be activated anywhere and still have maximum effectiveness
>activated for the whole team
>no real way of countering it
>>340487424
>Widow's ult is underpowered compared to everyone elses
2/10 for making me smile
>>340487571
it shouldnt take two hits to kill tracer
>>340487207
His ult is fucking insane as long as you don't go all "CLEAVE AND SMITE" mode.
>Wait for a strong hero to hold the lines attention
>Jump high into the air, wallrun if possible
>Pop ult while falling
>They all either stay focused on the previously mentioned target or look up like a retard.
>Focus on small targets: Healers, Snipers, Squishies. Save the tanks and shit for last.
>Finish off the wounded tanks after the ult ends.
>>340487571
>unironically using genji
>complaining about mcree
Why the fuck should Genji be nerfed?
Tracer has so much more than him it's ridiculous
>An instant escape + heal button
>Can constantly blink thanks to low cool down and it stacking up to 3
>Can do crazy DPS at close range
Meanwhile, Genji
>Main attacks do shit damage unless its on stationary targets for headshots
>Deflect, while useful, has a long as fuck cool down and is extremely easy to bypass as an attacker
>Swift strike is weak as piss, can only chain them together in extremely situational scenarios
>Escape mechanism consists of running up a wall and praying that your opponent is not capable of aiming
>Melee attack doesnt even do bonus damage despite him using a a fucking sword
And then his brother has fucking retarded hitboxes who can kill him with body shots and has that ridiculous scatter shot so matchups between them are never fair despite Dragons making it look like Genjis stronger than him
>>340487681
Each strike does 120 damage, anymore and it starts getting stupid. It's a team game, wait for Tracer to be damaged by your allies
>>340479485
They will after Mcree gets his rightful nerf. A well played Genji is a real terror with utility, huge damage, and ridiculous mobility. If you can land shurikens you can burst down any 200hp or less character in second with no real counterplay from them.
The problem with genji are good ones are an absolute chore to kill unless you're playing roadhog
>>340487814
What does that even mean?
>>340486805
so D.va should have a shit ton of health, the ability to fly anywhere with a low cooldown, be uncritable from the front, be able to haul ass while shooting, and shoot while blocking
she needs a buff, sure, but there's no way someone with 500 health (400 of it being armor) should be able to fucking fly over to me, start melting my face, and block me outright while doing it. that's stupid
>>340479485
tracer needs a nerf more than him
and tracer doesnt need a nerf
>>340487946
It means you are probably going to be low tier in comp.
>>340479485
>Widowmaker
>McCree
>Lucio
>Torbjorn
These are heroes that need nerfs.
Genji is fucking dumpster tier and does nothing the other offense heroes can't already do better unless you put in significant effort or something.
His only use is being an annoying piece of shit like tracer but with wall climbing, and killing bad bastions (an already bad hero)
>>340479485
He's made of glass, he's fine
>>340479852
Don't get close to mei if you don't want to die, she's fine
Genji players are the most dramatically different ones you can encounter in this game
>Genji on your team jumps in front of the bunched up enemy expecting to get a triple kill with deflect
>Genji on the other team is actually good and relentlessly fucks your Mercy/Widowmaker/Zenyatta in the ass unless you babysit them as Reinhardt
>>340488039
why lucien? his damage is shit and his aoe heal is weak just fucking shoot the nigger like u would irl
>Implying this easy mode ult shouldn't be nerfed
Look at this fag. He won the game with just 2 ults
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KUJutcT4P2w
>tfw every game the enemy has a Widowmaker I go Winston and make it my sole goal to make her life a living hell
Anyone who uses that OP piece of shit deserves it
>>340479485
>http://www.strawpoll.me/10436232
Yes: 12 votes
No: 200 votes
GUESS YOU GOT YOUR ANSWER
>>340488237
Any hero can have a cherry picked video like this
>>340488237
It shouldn't be nerfed
>>340487814
>not playing the fun mobile character that actually has to aim and lead with non hitscan projectiles
>defending stun fan the hammer man
Overwatch has truly revealed how fucking shit /v/ is.
>>340488000
But Winston kind of does that already.
Nice trips btw
>>340488376
You're doing exactly what they want you to do
What's the difference between armor, health and shields?
>>340488650
health is just health
armour reduce small amounts of damage
shields regenerate
>>340488460
He's a mother fucking ninja.
Naturally a good Genji would remain undetected as much as possible.
Nothing beats killing a Widowmaker before they can even turn around.
>>340488650
Shields regeneration on their own
Having any armor at all left on you reduces any damage taken by 5 (I think) or 50%, whichever is lower
>>340488765
There are few better feelings than having a Widow kill herself on deflect
>>340488747
Is there any difference in regards to ult charge when shooting someone with armor, shields or just health? I see people spouting that Roadhog is free ult charge for the enemy team but I don't really get it
>>340488515
>fun argument
may as well made a food analogy tbqh
>>340488970
He's just a big slow fatass with lots of hp
Easy for anyone to spam at him
>>340489006
Delete the word fun from his post then, now address the rest of it.
I fear d.va buffs
>400 fucking armor takes forever to kill
>can fly everywhere
>solos most squishy classes because they cant kill her full health mech alone
>on death she ejects and runs away with her tiny ass hitbox to get a new mech and try again
>can bomb a point and force you to clear it
If they buff her survivability or damage like they said she's going to be a better winston.
>>340489221
D. Va is shit and her gun fires marshmallows.
Are you retarded? A Mercy can solo her from 5 feet away.
In the first open beta I would shred people with her, now I'm lucky if I can even finish anyone off.
>>340488747
Are shields as strong as health or armor? Or weaker than both because it regenerates?
Is anyone else bothered that Genji is almost entirely mechanical, but doesn't get any shields or armor?
>>340490349
there's no extra damage to shields as far as i can tell
its better because it regenerates
>>340489570
her only weakness is range, but she has her boosters on such a low cooldown that she can close the gap again and just deal more damage.
Once mcree is nerfed and loses his ability to melt tanks watch d.va shoot up in playability because of how annoying she is.
>>340489221
Make her guns 5℅ more accurate, decrease the giant critbox on her body, make her reload, leave her health the same, problem solved.
>>340490501
>boost towards someone
>start shooting
>they immediately move away
>damage now does shit
Are you stupid? I think you are stupid. All the facts point to it.
>>340489221
Same boat, in beta she was a terror because she could fly in close, murder someone and fly away. She was a more mobile Mcree, except in terms of burst she just flat out bullied everyone with superior HP and mobility. Crazy that more people don't see how obnoxious she could really be if she was any better than she is now. A flying Tracer with 500 HP most of it armor. Christ.
>>340490501
mei and reaper are the real problems for d.va
>>340490681
Reaper is actually really shit against her because armor. This is bypassed however with her fuckhuge critbox being center-mass. Armor pisses all over shotguns.
>>340490671
>they move away
>boosters already off cooldown and finishes you off or just fly away to heal
If your mercy actually turns around and tries soloing the d.va with her pistol instead of healing her team you've already won.
>>340479485
Fuck no.
He's easily countered by any beam character.
On the topic of Dva she really needs a buff. I don't think I've ever been killed by a dva. You just walk away or tear through their health because you can't miss their giant headshot hitbox.
