So I want to buy a new headset and after some research I will be either buying the HyperX Cloud or HyperX Cloud 2, depending on the answers I get here.
Is 7.1 surround sound actually required for PC gaming or is it a gimmick? What games make use of it, only fps games?
Gimmick.
gimmick.
Getsome audio technicas m50s and a mic and youre set.
How the fuck do you expect surround sound to work when there's barely any space difference in the location of the speakers?
I have the first series Cloud's and they suck. There is no low end to the headphones and they become uncomfortable after about 2 hours of gameplay. The Cloud 2's are rated pretty well though but haven't ever worn them.
>>340441125
Gimmick.
I'm an audio engineer.
It fucking sucks
these headsets are quite good
there are certainly better ones I'm sure but for 60 these are quite good, comfortable for long periods, great sound and the mic quality is great
Why do things like keyboards and headphones made for gaming always look gay as fuck?
>>340441125
Headsets are bad in general, and the 7.1 are by far the worst
>>340441125
They only work properly if the game you're playing holds its sounds in FLAC. However, most games use lossy formats for storing the sounds - formats like ogg vorbis and aac. The reason why surround sound headsets don't work properly with lossy formats is due to rotational velocidensity. Rotational velocidensity affects lossy formats much more than it affects FLAC, and causes the channels in the sound to twist. This twisting in the channels means some of the sounds end up coming from the wrong direction. A sound that is meant to have come from above may have had its channel twisted and it sounds like it comes from below with a surround sound headset. Obviously this isn't something you want when playing competitive games.
Don't go for surround sound headsets unless you're absolutely sure that the game stores its audio in FLAC.
>>340441724
You have no idea what you're talking about and you are overpaying.
You'd find more bang for your buck by buying a quality $55 pair of headphones and a $5 mic.
>>340441125
All gayming headsets are shit.
Get some nice beyerdynamic, sennheiser or audio technica headphones.
/v/ like's perpetuating the idea that it's a gimmick even though they've never tried it.
I have no idea why people think emulated surround sound isn't good.
Don't listen to these retards, it's almost invaluable to have a SS headset for gaming.
G35 is a solid headset for under $100CND.
>>340442178
If what you say is true, then Op should be careful because there's only a short list of games that are equipped to use FLAC for audio. Lately that number has grown but only by larger companies and larger games like Wolfenstein.
Don't buy a cheap headset, OP. Lurk /g/ for Headphone advice and browse other websites to help you clarify your search, answer queries, and decide on what pair of head-phones,ear-phones, or IEM's suit your needs best. Then just do the same for microphones.
If you're not interested in putting the time in to get most of your money, then just buy a decent pair of headphones and a cheap mic. Never buy headsets.
Absolutely NEVER buy anything GAMING related. It will always be overpriced crap.
>>340442027
They don't if you actually buy good hardware instead of cheap shit marketed to teenagers.
>>340442631
You could have way better sound and the same mic for the same price.
You don't know what's good because you've never had a quality pair of headphones. You overpaid for your shit headset. G35 has shit driver support.
>>340441518
>There is no low end to the headphones and they become uncomfortable after about 2 hours of gameplay.
You seriously own them? I've had mine for almost 2 years now, I wear them for 6 or so hours a day and they are never not comfortable. I very easily forget they are on. Sounds nothing special, true but it's not bad by any stretch either. But I find the comfort to more than make up for it.
>>340441125
100% snake oil. If you want soundstage and imaging for gaming, get an open pair of headphones.
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00ENMK1DW
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00BJ17WKK
Any headphones better than these?
>>340441125
Cloud 2s are pretty comfy
>>340441125
>7.1
Dude, if you want surround sound try looking for binaural audios out there. They should make games with binaural audio settings.
>>340443061
Problem with these particular headphones is that the soundstage is severely lacking, so not too great for competitive gaming. You can improve it a bit by swapping out the ear pads, but it'll never be anywhere near as good as something open back.
>>340443393
What if i care more about music?And jap asmr
>>340442631
Dont post in a audio threat when your best point of refferenc is a shitty 80$ "gaming headset"
I made the same fucking mistake.
Bought a 250$ gaming headset and compared to my 120$ stereo headset its horrible.
inb4 shittygamingheadsets.png
>>340441125
It's in the middle. It takes a 7.1 signal which is 8 channels and mixes it into a 2 channel format and adds some effects.
The best thing to do is to get a regular stereo headphone or headset and use the in-game headphone setting, Overwatch has software 7.1 headphone mixing, just an example.
>>340443509
It can do good for music, but the lacking soundstage might make the music sound a bit too in your head. If you intend on getting these or the m40xs (which are basically the same thing but a bit less bassy), then swap out the earpads to improve the soundstage, I'd say it's practically mandatory.
>>340443550
Why the hell do you insist on defending shit-quality and overpriced equipment? Do you like paying more money for a shittier experience?
Do you honestly believe it's better to waste money on a toy rather than the real thing just because it has a hip logo and neon colors?
>>340443787
Like these?
>>340442970
I've been extremely satisfied with it. I'm not fucking around with a separate headphones and mic when I'm talking all day. It's much better then a $300 head set from SS I tried out.
> G35 has shit driver support
Fuck off. This is how I know you have no idea what you're talking about. Never had any issues using them.
> You overpaid for your shit headset
Pls show me a better combo.
Just get some HD 518s or 558s or whatever and a modmic 4.0.
Boom. Done. Doesn't even have to be sennheiser. Just get open back headphones if you want situational awareness.
>>340443061
Sennheiser HD5x8 series
Phillips SHP 9500
HiFiMAN HE-350
Audio-Technica ATH-AD series
Fostex T50RP MK3, T40RP MK3
Takstar Hi2050
Superlux 668B
Shure SRH840
Brainwavz HM5
NVX XPT100
Sony MDR-7506
Takstar Pro80
>>340441452
That one is expensive as fuck, any cheaper alternatives?
>>340443035
The headphone doesn't ship to the Netherlands :(
I've looked in to some headphones and non of them ship to the Netherlands and I can't buy them from the Dutch store, one or two I can, but they are overpriced as fuck and in the 150+ euro range.
>>340443109
Ah somebody who actually owns them. So is the 7.1 surround sound that needed for games or not?
>>340443889
The earpad replacements I typically see mentioned for the ATHs are these two.
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00MFDX4YO
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00MFDT894
Be careful about which ones you pick. Velour earpads expand the soundstage by a lot, but sacrifice the bass, at least these do. The other pair opens up the soundstage a bit, but not as much as the velours, but you don't lose as much bass. You still lose some bass no matter what due to your ear being further from the driver.
Hey guys since we are talking about headphones, help me out. I got some audio technicas and i want to use them. What the fuck do I need to able to use them properly?
>>340444459
Just plug them straight into the computer?
>>340444283
Oh, that's why I rarely hear bass on my velour pads. Also, black velour pads look like garbage if there are white spots on it (dust).
>>340444030
>Audio-Technica ATH-AD series
I have AD700Xs. Are my current ones better than the M50x?
>>340443937
I too was once swayed by dumbass gaymur and headset marketing but I've wisened the fuck up since you shitter.
I currently use some IEMs with a mic cable and it's loads better than the G35s
>>340444661
Unless you listen only to wubstep and other such bass-heavy music and don't game in them, yes, the 700X is a much better headphone.
>>340441125
Don't buy "gaming" headphones.
They are overpriced shit.
If you want to go over sorround you will need a dedicated audio card anyways.
For sorround, here in yuoropoor, with 30€ you can have the Superlux Hd evo 681, wich have basically Sennheiser components.
Attach a Zalman microfon and you are good to go.
>>340445076
Whats a good upgrade from the 700x then?
Or would i be better off getting an external DAC?
>>340444170
>required
what exactly do you mean by that?
Are there games that REQUIRE 7.1?
It makes a noticeable difference in the FPS games I've played
Buy Sennheiser.
It's worth it.
>>340444030
>Superlux 668B
Wow, that one actually ships to the Netherlands. So is the sound quality of that better than the HyperX cloud? Those headphones are pretty cheap. Also, what microphone would you recommend with them (if the sound quality is better/equal to HyperX cloud, I will get the Superlux 668B you suggested).
>>340445209
Not him, but most Audio-Technica headphones are designed to be compatible on a wide variety of sources and don't have an impedance swing like many other headphones do, what this means is that they sound very consistent on various sources (smartphones, laptops, desktops, audio interfaces, etc.). No need for an external DAC, it's pointless.
This is all I've ever needed, and it does actually give me an advantage with the full surround.
>>340441125
Gimmick. You want stereo headphones with virtual surround provided either by a soundcard, 3rd party software, or the game itself.
I recommend the Sennheiser HD558 for headphones. Look under the used section on Amazon. There should be a basically new but open box set for like, $50 or so.
That's how I got mine.
>>340445353
Not him, but I would rate the sound quality in the same league, but I do not recommend the EVO as they are not well built like the more well known models. HD681 and HD668B are the commonly recommended ones, HD668B is the one with more bass, if that's what you like.
mfw bought beyerdynamic mmx300
mfw DAT SOUND QUALITY
mfw held up for a year and then cable torn
bought me some custom one pro, they are good but come no where close to the sound quality of the mmx
>>340445491
Those are pretty sexy looking.
What would you pick between these and ATH-AD900xs?
>>340441125
Waste of money. 5.1 is good enough for gameplay.
>>340445491
It's open back, so there is sound leak if you want to use it outside.
>>340445741
The HD598 easily. It's more accurate.
>>340445741
Sen's, a million times to one.
They're seriously the best pair of headphones I've ever had.
>>340445809
>>340445960
So would a dac improve these headphones?
Just in general when do i need a dac/amp?Im glad this thread was made /g/ is pompous as fuck
>>340445741
Personally, I'd go 598 for this mod to use the BoomPro.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-MvN-FI5I8c
>>340441125
"gaming" headsets are a scam. As many other people in the thread have already said, get a pair of open-back studio headphones and a Modmic and you're set for life. Not only will you most likely save money, you'll also be getting better quality, as most "gaming" headsets are cheaply built due to splitting their interest between the headphones and the mic, never truly reaching decent quality on either.
>>340446163
The safest thing to do is to buy them, use them with what you currently have and see if its to your liking. DACs are a tricky subject, there's many who don't know about them and spread misinformation about them, but there are some instances where it would be beneficial to owning one if your current source is not ideal.
>>340446163
I got a Fiio Olympus with mine, the e10 (left)
I find that it really does make shit sound nicer, and as /mu/ as this is going to sound, if you get a good .flac rip of music, you can tell the difference as well.
Try it without one first, but I'd recommend getting an inexpensive one
>>340446242
>Modmic
never heard of that one
will buy one
THANKS
![o3ZzAUu[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/0ScKvqo.jpg "o3ZzAUu[1].jpg")
>>340446163
>>340446242
>>340443943
Something to keep in mind: Use voice activation detection instead of open mic with the Modmic until you get a DAC because it does pick up a small amount of USB noise.
>>340446163
An external DAC is generally a good idea to get your audio source away from the busy internals of your computer.
An amp will open up the low end on the 598, which has a much higher impedance at around 100mhz.
>>340446771
anything you can do against those peeping sounds?
couldnt hear them with my mmx 300, but can now with my custom studio one
>>340442631
>never tried it
I've tried it extensively. I used to know plenty of people that fell for the "simulated" surround sound meme. So I got to try their turtle beach headsets and their whatever headsets. They all sounded like shit.
>>340446571
Protip: FLAC sounding better is a placebo.
Any competent codec used at a sufficient bitrate is good enough for audio playback. FLAC is only good for archiving music.
So how much of a difference is there between these even is there?
>>340446985
Peeping Sounds? Like static?
Do you know if it's your mic or your Headphones causing it? If it's your mic, then a DAC should fix it, since it gets the jack away from the interference of your video card(s), HDDs, CPU, USB hubs, etc.
>>340441125
gimmick. i'm a big one.
>>340441125
>gayming headset
>7.1 meme
>USB
Just build a legit surround sound speaker system. If you're willing to pay $250+ you can get pretty decent quality. I shelled out $500 and it's amazingly immersive, both vidya and movies. Lord help me when I play vidya at night with the lights off.
>>340447436
yeah static was the word i was searching for
its the headphones, didnt hear em with the other pair
>>340441125
Get the Cloud 1
I was in the same position as you about 8 months ago. If I remember correctly Cloud 2 had less accessories, was more expensive, and could only use the wired audio controls in USB mode.
Cloud 1 is fine for me after hours of use, while wear glasses
>>340447062
Huh, maybe I'm just getting better rips or something. Lucky me?
>>340446771
Where do you get replacement cords for yours? I wanna find something shorter so I can take it with me on the go.
>>340447870
The Cloud 1 also has nicer earcups.
>>340447870
>>340447965
hows the sound quality?
my ears have been soothed with quality with beyerdynamics
>>340442178
>rotational velocidensity
Nice try.
Not OP, but while we're on the subject, is a USB or 3.5mm Mic preferable? I've always used a 3.5mm interface through my sound card, and it allows me to hear myself when I speak without any delay in the playback.
>>340447849
Hmmm. Do you have a modmic with them already? If so, it might be playing back into your headphones.
>>340447941
Oh no no, no. Those aren't mine. I cheaped out and went with some 518s. That said, Sennheiser sells shorter cables themselves, and there are a lot of replacement cables for the 5X8 series on ebay and amazon.
http://en-us.sennheiser.com/hd-5x8-short-cable
>>340448389
nope headphone pair doesnt have any mic
Fuck. Should i do it?
>>340448441
Sorry to say but to me it sounds like a short. Personally if they were in warranty I'd RMA them. But I'd recommend getting better advice than my half-baked ass.
>>340447062
No. FLAC has that crisp highs, unlike MP3.
>>340447941
On some public sites, the mp3s are often transcodes, that's low quality shit. It means that they converted the music twice or more from the source. Or maybe it's just a placebo effect.
>>340441125
Do your research, 7.1 is a buzz term for marketing.
>>340448178
I'm not sure, it's fine for me
I know that all headsets are shit and I should get headphones with a standalone mic or a mod mic, but in the end I'm no audiofag so I don't care
I did my research and this was one of, if not the best headsets at the time, and it is exactly what I wanted
also, memory foam earcups are a godsend and I don't ever want to go back
>>340448551
My friend has those headphones, and I have a cheaper pair also from Sennheiser. My headphones sound nice, but his blew me away. If you're a casual listener of music like I am, go for a cheaper pair, but if you're an enthusiast than I'd say go for those.
>>340448551
The 598s are $150? Man, Amazon UK are taking us for a ride.
>>340441125
No. You will NEVER get sound positioning off of headphones that close to your ear.
If you want surround sound, ask your parents for some allowance up front and get real speakers.
>>340441125
It's just a gimmick. If they shoved in 7.1 into headphones it doesn't make technical sense. What makes sense is the tech in Creative SCs that takes surround sound from a game and does some fancy calculating and gives you impression of sitting inside of surround setup. Still gimmickish but makes some sense.
After all, we only have two ears and we manage to localize sounds quite good. Games today render audio mostly by software means and if you select in settings that you are using headphones you will get stereo sound that has been calculated for a pair of human ears.
>>340449125
>cream
Thats alot more accurate color description than ivory though.
>>340449257
>Only have 2 ears
>>340448551
fuck yea.
Good audio is just as awesome as good graphics. Most people don't haven't experienced good audio though so it gets overlooked.
Im doing it /v/, you cant stop me now.
>>340449563
B-but what about Schitt Audio?
Got the hyperx cloud 2 and this, this one's are very very good(hyperx revolver).
>>340448551
HOL' UP
The E10k's headphone output is a standard 3.5mm jack. However, the regular 598 comes with only a single 10' cable which terminates in a larger 1/4" jack, which of course doesn't fit in a 3.5mm. The 598 does come with a 1/4"-to-3.5mm adapter, but it's a giant bulky nightmare that will put too much weight on the 3.5mm connection.
Get the 598 Special Edition instead
www.amazon.com/dp/B0126HISOO/
It comes with another cable which terminates in a standard 3.5mm connector so you don't have to use that retarded adapter. And if you insist on the Noctua colors of the standard edition, at least consider this adapter, which will put much less strain on the 3.5mm connection.
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B000068O6B
>>340449563
Anon, get this
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16826138190R
>>340444030
Seconding the SHP9500s, I picked up a pair about half a year ago and I sometimes genuinely cannot choose between listening to them and other cans I own that cost literally three times as much. Straight up one of the most comfy pair of headphones I've ever used. I'm using Fidelio X2s right now and I've been very impressed with these as well.
>>340448551
E10K is a solid choice. I'd say pick up SHP9500s instead and a VMODA Boompro and you have a fully functional headset that also sounds pretty killer and has much, much better voice quality than the Modmic. I've used both and I prefer the Philips over the HD598s, especially in classical music and anything that was recorded live or with real instruments, the soundstage and imaging is much better and I personally found the SHP9500s more comfortable as well. If you really don't need a mic then just look for a pair of Hifimans or some DT990s instead, should be able to find something in the 150-200 range.
>>340448551
amps are a meme until you spend at least $300 on headphones
>>340450037
It's true that typically the higher impedence headphones are usually more expensive, but an amp will make a difference for the 598s.
>>340448551
>50 ohm cans
>Getting an external DAC anyway
Enjoy your placebo m8.
>>340448641
Nah, MP3 has a cutoff but it's still transparent.
>>340450270
You get an amp for high impedance headphones, not a DAC.
>>340449563
STOP AND READ >>340449768
OP are you still here, faggot? My brother has them. The 7.1 stuff is gimmick as hell. It even makes things like clicks and menu sounds sound "3D". It's not real 3D. It's just "surround sound" but fake. You don't get any information on directional audio from having 7.1 enabled. It makes that worse. Any headphones that aren't complete trash have directional audio capabilities. Obviously some are much better. If you just don't care about spending money and want a headset that just werks but isn't a piece of trash razer, tesoro, logitech, or turtle beach product, you can go with that. At very least I can tell you the headphones FEEL like they're worth above $50. There is some metal and the top band feels rather sturdy. Be warned that if you do not plan on using the USB extender (with the 7.1 controller / volume controller tool, though you don't have to enable 7.1), the regular 3.5mm portion of the cable is REALLY short. You better have a 3.5mm extender handy if you outright do not want to use the USB input extender.
>>340450408
1. USB DAC's like the shitty ass FiiO's have an amplification stage, that's the whole point
2. 50 ohms is not high impedance
>>340450270
>Using the term "cans"
Enjoy being a faggot m8.
>>340451243
>1. USB DAC's like the shitty ass FiiO's have an amplification stage, that's the whole point
No, the FiiO e10k has an amp. There are DACs that don't have amps that wouldn't help out high impedance headphones, and amps with no DAC that would absolutely help high impedance headphones. They can be combined in one unit, but a DAC and an amp are not the same thing.
>2. 50 ohms is not high impedance
No shit. But by mocking him for using a DAC for low impedance headphones, you implied that a DAC is a solution for a high impedance headphone, so I was correcting you by pointing out that an amp is the correct solution, not a DAC.
>>340441125
You guys always tell me to buy headphones and a mic but what mic should I buy? I want it to be small and not noticable and it should either clip to the headphone or to my clothing.
Price for both should be below 200€.
>>340441125
I have the Cloud 2, and the 7.1 is literally just added reverb.
But it's the most comfy headset and the sound is amazing.
>>340449768
>>340450515
Damn good thing i decided to get food before clicking place order.
>>340449768
Cant get the special edition in white?
>>340451106
Yes, after this thread, I won't bother with 7.1, so if I end up buying a "headset", I will buy the HyperX Cloud, the first one, it is a good price and the quality seems good.
However, I will look in to some "headphones" + microphone combinations, but all of them so far seem extremely expensive. The Modmic 4 costs as much as the HyperX Cloud lol.
>>340441125
kek i got some 7.1 from amazon that cost 26 bucks. work great. best cheap headset you can get.
>>340451952
Antlion modmic is the golden standard. Turns any headphones into a headset. I think they're slightly cheaper than Amazon on the Antlion website.
Unless you're a cheap ass. Then get one of those zalman clip mics.
If you want a desk mic instead of a headphone-mounted-mic but want to spend the same as a modmic, the blue snowball.
>>340451952
OP here, yeh, they told me the same, but so far I can get the HyperX Cloud for 69 euros.
Any propher headphone+mic combo would require the AntLion ModMic 4 which costs 65 euros... and the good headphones they have suggested that I can buy are all in the 140+- range.
I'll research my options further tomorrow, tired as fuck, time to go to sleep.
Good night and thanks for the information people.
>>340449768
Would this also solve that problem?
>>340452889
fuck
>>340452410
If you want a mic and headphones and want to spend nothing because you're poor as fuck, a zalman clip-on mic and some cheapo $40 headphones will do. Superlux shit comes to mind, as do used AD700X's or HD 558's. Headphones can only improve in audio quality if they're used. Used is usually better than new.
If you want a good mic solution for your good headphones you don't go dumpster diving for the cheapest shit on the market. If you don't have good headphones and don't want to spend money, modmic isn't for you. It's for people who want a mic but want to keep using their K702's, 900X, HD 600's, DT990s, and so on.
>>340441125
meh, not really a gimmick, but rarely used. the headset on your pic is amazing though!
>>340449768
>>340452978
pls respond;_;
>>340452978
>20 bucks for a fucking cable
>>340441125
>headset
>>340452367
Nope. If you want the cream and brown and don't want to use the adapter, you can get this cable instead, which comes in a few different lengths.
www.amazon.com/dp/B00KAKBHKM
You could also do this mod and get any standard 3.5mm-to-3.5mm cable, or even use the V-Moda BoomPro.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-MvN-FI5I8c
>>340441125
>>340452978
It should.
>>340453582
Whats the difference with that cable to the one i posted?
>>340444170
I also own Cloud II's and I find a significant difference when turning on the 7.1 rather than having it off. I expected it to not work that well at first due to them being headphones and that it would be hard to emulate directional sound on them but it worked suprisingly well for me atleast and I get a better idea of where sounds are coming from in some games but not all. They are easily the best headset I've owned but to be fair I haven't owned a wide selection of headphones.
>>340453607
this. this. this.
>>340453769
Hah, I didn't even see your other posts until I posted that. It's literally the same one, you just chose the 10' option, where I linked the 4' one. If you want the cream and brown 598 and don't mind the added cost, pick a length and go for it.
>>340453920
Thanks for the help m8 and everyone else too.
I have a different headset with 7.1 surround and it is pretty legit.
It sounds just like actually having speakers around your room.
Those might be bad though
>>340451952
the VMODA Boompro is a fair bit better than the Modmic but its biggest stipulation is that it requires your headphones to have a detachable cable. the best budget headphones that I know would work with it are the SHP9500s which can be found anywhere from 50 to 80 dollars. really, as long as your headphones have a 3.5mm input located on the headphones themselves you should always get the Boompro over the Modmic.
>>340443061
sennheiser hd600.
>>340441125
"Surround" sound in headphones isn't really surround sound, so it's a gimmick.
