Can someone explain, why so many people have a problem with no gook voices in the Persona 5?
I would understand if japanese cast were A-tier professionals, but they are literally B-tier "seiyū", literally no difference compared to the english dub team.
It's just Internet outrage culture.
If the Japanese cast is B-tier, the English cast of the average Atlus USA game is Z-tier.
But the quality isn't even relevant in and of itself. I wouldn't watch a German film dubbed in English even if the English dub was excellent, and I don't want to play a Japanese game made by Japanese people with Japanese artists, vision, and actors, featuring a Japanese setting with Japanese culture and Japanese characters presented to me by English actors.
>>340383895
>LeLouch
>B tier
>>340384053
I don't see how this is hard to understand
Because people like having a choice.
>>340384053
>Japanese characters
But they aren't "Japanese characters" they are fucking ANIME characters and have literally nothing to do with actual Japan and Japanese culture, same with setting
>>340384053
/thread
The movie analogy is pretty good.
Would you rather watch a foreign movie dubbed into english or with original audio and english subs? There's a lot of people that strongly prefer the latter.
>>340384487
>a lot of people
Only a handful of degenerates don't prefer the subbed method.
Because there's no reason not to have both choices in a high profile release like P5 except for laziness or jewry with the budget. Neither of these excuses should be the case.
>>340384415
The game is explicitly set in Japan and the characters are Japanese. It makes all manner of references to Japanese culture and customs.
I just don't want to have to listen to the awful US version's script. If it's 100% Japanese that's fine. If it's 100% English that's fine. If it's some weeaboo shit where they speak English but keep calling each other kun or chan or senpai or whatever that is not fine. That is terrible.
>>340384487
This is an RPG, not Uncharted 4
>>340383895
there will be a ps3 undub within 1 week of release so that just means i won't have to spend any money on it
>>340383895
Because western anime and video game VA pool is extremely limited. It's the same dozen of people in every fucking game. And they get roles just because there's no one else who could, not because they have a fitting voice for the character they're supposed to play.
Especially in the AtlUSA releases.
>I would understand if japanese cast were A-tier professionals, but they are literally B-tier "seiyū", literally no difference compared to the english dub team.
In other words the exact opposite of your bait.
>>340384878
>Because western anime and video game VA pool is extremely limited. It's the same dozen of people in every fucking game. And they get roles just because there's no one else who could, not because they have a fitting voice for the character they're supposed to play.
So no different from japan?
See Sugita for example, guy has literally one voice for all his roles
>>340385047
There's a difference.
The original VA might have no range, but he gets hired because they want his typical voice for a particular character.
The western VA who has no range gets hired to voice all kinds of different characters, simply because he's available.
>>340385203
>The original VA might have no range, but he gets hired because they want his typical voice for a particular character.
Wow, you really live in some fantasy world
There 2 main reasons to hire VA in Japan
1. They are popular and can bring otaku money, because this guys can't tell difference between character and actress
2. They don't get many roles and so they cheap to hire. Atlus has a history doing exactly that
Of course some directors trying to find fitting va(#FE for all main characters), but this time it's obviously not a case
>>340385047
You're missing the point of his post. There's a much larger pool of talent in Japan for voice acting when in the west it is limited. It's up to Japanese production to select the correct talent; If they pick a shit actor for a character it is on them, not because there aren't any good actors to choose for a character like the west.
>>340385578
>P5 is an otaku pandering game
>#FE is not
Who lives in a fantasy world again?
>>340383895
I have literally never liked an atlus dub
The biggest problem is delivery for me, but there's plenty of other niggling details in their shitty dubs.
>>340383895
>shit weeb game
>surprised people want japanese
just put both in you shitty devs
>>340385601
There's plenty of talent in America...the problem is that they're all voicing Western games and other media, not dubbing foreign stuff. That's for rejects and D listers.
>>340383895
>B-tier
Shows you know nothing about it
>>340383895
>not wanting to experience media in the language it was intended to be experienced
Uncultured plebeians.
They don't, barely any of the actual consumers care about dual audio.
This is a vocal minority.
>>340383895
t. ps4 buttmad owner
>>340386274
"I'll refuse to buy the game" types are a minority, since outside of pirating an undub with a modded console there's nothing they can do other than refuse to play the game outright.
Literally no one is preferring a version of the game that is English only.
>>340386206
If everybody could speak japanese, sure, but if you are just reading subtitles big whoop.
>>340386374
Do you watch foreign films dubbed in your native language? Don't tell me you watch dubbed anime, either.
>>340386373
If people could have an option they'd say sure give us the option.
If they didn't have the option, the vast majority of players don't care at all if the game has an english dub.
>But we're no slouches when it comes to dubs
>>340386449
Do you speak japanese?
If the answer is no, you are getting a filtered experience that forgoes the nuance of the original language for ease of translation and relay of information.
So, unless you can speak japanese, you are complaining about people not getting a pure original experience while you also aren't getting a pure original experience.
>>340386508
That's a stupid way of looking at it. They absolutely care, they just aren't willing to go to the level of a boycott.
>>340385729
You actually can easily see if manga/anime/movie is otaku pandering garbage or not afraid to be original
>Does japan has best cooking/sport/magic school in the world
>Are every female love interests are virgins(specially the ones who shouldn't be, because their age or aother reason)?
>Is there a character with japanese father and foreign mother
>etc
Also #FE is actually a very good game both characters and gameplay wise
but of course you wouldn't care, you only want to spout memes
>>340386685
They don't care because most players wouldn't play the game outside of whatever the default language option was and they know it.
>>340386653
I'm aware that it's a filtered experience. The only way to experience it 100% is to understand the language and even grow up in Japan. I'll take 90% over 10% or less. Just like I'm forced to read translations of literature if I don't want to learn every single relevant language.
I'll ask you the question again, since you avoided it. Do you watch foreign films dubbed into your native language?
>>340386653
This fucking argument was already destroyed in literally the second post of the thread.
Get the fuck out
>>340383895
Generally I've liked JP voicing in the past Persona games more.
And if you're going to pull the "You don't understand the language, why do you care about something you don't understand? You can't even make out what they're sayin!"
Consider this. I fully understand English, so I can make out that voicing is bad. But I can't understand Japanese, so I'd be blissfully ignorant to quality of acting.
Then again, this is a moot point, since you'd have to be mentally disabled or something to not be able to make out emotion in a spoken language, even if you don't understand what is being said.
>>340386653
>If the answer is no, you are getting a filtered experience that forgoes the nuance of the original language for ease of translation and relay of information.
says the person who never bothered to listen to another language ever in his life.
>>340386793
Your experience isn't any different from a dubbed experience as far as filtering goes.
Your experience would actually draw attention away from visual aspects of those media, to boot.
So, again, you are decrying people from a high horse you really have zero claim to.
>>340386986
I'll take that as a, "Yes, I do watch dubs" or, "I only watch Marvel movies".
>>340386909
>I make this assumption based on absolutely nothing
Whatever makes you feel better about your outrage, anon.
>>340387073
You admitted it when you dodged the question several times while still trying to argue.
>>340387112
>>340387073
Get a room you two.
Holy shit subs only people are ridiculous. You guys act like anyone who isn't with you is taking a huge shit right across your face.
>>340387112
I didn't answer it because it's obvious bait. No matter what I say you would attack me one way or another.
That's the only reason you want to keep pushing it.
>>340387156
keep your shitty dubs, nobody here is sub only.
Dual audio pleases everyone.
>>340387281
I'm going to attack your asshole next if you don't stop being a faggot.
>>340387281
No, I'd only attack you if you had said that you do indeed watch dubs of foreign films.
If you had said no, I'd ask you why you treat film one way but anime and videogames another way.
>>340387402
>I'd only attack you if you said you watch dubs
>I'd just call you a hypocrit if you said you watch subs
You literally just proved him right you dongus
>>340387530
The latter isn't an attack. It's also not inherently hypocrisy to treat one medium one way and another differently. Hypocrisy is telling people to do one thing and doing the opposite.
I love Jap dubs and I'll probably always defend them over the foreign ones, but Persona is one of the series I have never touched in jap.
English isn't even my first language and I can tell I learned a lot from P3 and P4.
I tried playing an undub version of P3 for my second playthrough but it felt wrong.
But, this time, I followed all the news and watched the PVs at least 30 times each, and I think hearing the English dub won't feel natural.
>>340385578
>>340386714
I said this yesterday when some Meleefag was shitposting about Sonic, and I'll say it again today, we need a separate board for Nintenyearolds now because they've devolved into completely retarded shitposters
>Subs only people frothing at the mouth
>Attacking anyone who isn't also frothing at the mouth
I'm really glad that so long as the internet exists this same exchange will happen every day over and over again.
>>340387695
Dude just watch anything in Japanese to prepare, the Japanese voice actors will sound just like every other Japanese voice actor
>>340387815
wut?
>>340383895
>but they are literally B-tier "seiyū"
This is B-tier bait
>>340387797
nobody here is sub only you faggot.
again, keep your shit dubs. Dual audio works for everyone
>>340387797
There are maybe 5 subs only people on the planet.
>>340387805
The problem is that I already have associated a voice to every face in this game.
>>340387815
JESUS CHRIST
>>340387858
wrong thread, sorry about that
>>340387815
the fuck?
>>340386067
>Literally who
>not a B-tier garbage
>>340386793
>I'll take 90% over 10% or less.
This is pure delusion. Dub work isn't going to irrevocably ruin the game for you, you'll be experiencing the exact same fucking shitty script either way.
What you're actually talking about is "this makes me feel more Japanese!" vs "I don't like this!".
You have 2 sane choices. Learn Japanese, or learn to live with the fact that you don't fucking know Japanese and the dub is merely a personal preference. It's not enhancing the experience by anything more than 10% at most.
Publishers dub and release dub-games for localization purposes and because so nips don't buy games internationally because its almost always cheaper, thus destroying their local vidiya market.
By the time this gets released and the gap between jap ver and usa/eu ver tells me they are actually planning on giving jap audio. That being said in very, very rare cases the dub is actually okay. Pokemon for example and persona 3/4 were excellent dubs
>>340388403
Persona 3's dub is awful. A handful of equivalent performances like Junpei don't make up for the majority of the cast being far worse than their Japanese counterparts.
>>340383895
B-tier seiyuu is better than amateur American VA
>>340388048
>Nana Mizuki
>Rina Sato
>Aoi Yuuki
>Sugita
>Literally who
Get out.
>>340388460
I liked them.
>>340388403
>persona 3/4 were excellent dubs
Refer to >>340384053
You drooling retard.
>>340388560
They are literally who
Did they voice your favorite seasonal waifu or something?
>>340384169
>mfw his dub is absoutle shit
why is dan green as Yami/Atem the only good dub of a japanese anime character?
>>340388460
>>340388586
>I don't like Persona dub so its c-tier
Please be opend minded about this, the dub is actually very good for a video game. It's one thing to not like it and another to say things like this
>>340388657
Who are A-List Japanese voice actors in your opinion?
>>340388730
No it isn't, it's literal dogshit. Something like Uncharted has a good dub, because ND have casting calls and hire actual actors and shit.
Dubs from Japanese games are 9/10 times done incredibly cheaply with the kinds of morons who work in the anime dubbing field, which means you make pennies on the dollar but you get a ton of work because you'll "act" for less than minimum wage.
Localisation companies do not exist to produce a quality product. They're parasites that buy cheap licences, do some subpar translation work with interns, then slap it all together and rake in the money because they have zero creative talent.
>>340388917
Professional theater and movie actors
>>340389026
The dub in persona 3 and 4 was really good I felt, I enjoyed it a lot
>>340388917
Shuichi Ikeda
Megumi Hayashibara
Maaya Sakamoto
Jouji Nakata
>>340389125
>Professional theater and movie actors
I seriously hope you're kidding, Japan is kabuki as fuck and their movie industry is based on hiring models instead of good actors.
Their voice acting industry is ironically the best stuff they put out, because it's not based on either looks or personality.
>>340389304
So you know nothing about japan
>and their movie industry is based on hiring models instead of good actors.
dramas aren't movies
Oh, and there nothing wrong with kabuki, at least only people who good at acting, speaking and improvising can do it on the decent level. Something that 90% of va lacks
>>340389137
Other than Jouji Nakata those are people who only do very sporadic roles these days, and Nakata performs in pretty much same stuff as P5 cast does.
Though if your idea of A-List is old and experienced, new Igor is voiced by Masane Tsukayama.
>>340389132
You have low standards.
>>340389449
There's nothing wrong with kabuki, but it isn't good acting. While the west values realism, Japan values over-exaggeration.
Aside from a handful of movies, the majority of studios follow the same drama viewerbait methods of hiring whatever young 20s model is popular that year.
>>340389125
The Persona 5 voice cast regularly does dubbing for movies.
...Or do you mean actual actors? That wasn't what question was about. If anything wouldn't somebody experienced in voice acting be better fit for voice acting role than somebody primarily experienced in theatrical acting?
>>340389637
>If anything wouldn't somebody experienced in voice acting be better fit for voice acting role than somebody primarily experienced in theatrical acting?
No
What a stupid question
Well, if you don't care about characters, of course you would prefer your favorite voice actors. But if it's not to pander otaku, actual actors for the voice acting are better choice
Because if we can't understand the language, it has a much lower bar to clear to be acceptable. We know what good English-language voice acting sounds like, and Fatlus dubs clearly ain't it. But we can only sort of tell if the tone of the voices matches what we think the emotional pitch of the scene should be when it comes to Japanese, and while that might mean we'd miss nuances of truly great Japanese voice work... Sturgeon's Law, 90% of everything is crap, meaning that nine times out of ten we're more likely to be missing flawed or poor performances than anything.
>>340389137
Well whoop de doo, Nakata is in P5
English isn't even my first language and they put alot less effort into their dubs than japs. So why the fuck would I want english dub?
>>340383895
>I would understand if japanese cast were A-tier professionals, but they are literally B-tier "seiyū",
>Japanese Seiyuu literally DO have a ranking system
>A shitton of them is literally on the highest possible pay level.
Do your homework, please.
>>340393550
>A shitton of them is literally on the highest possible pay level.
Odin Sphere has dual audio in both US and EU versions so when Atlus says that's a monumental task they're stright up bullshitting.
It should not be this difficult to give people choice. You want to release the game dubbed for the filthy American who can't stand subs. Fine with me, you can even make it default choice if you want. But we're in 2016, it's time to listen to what you base customers wants instead of playing dumb.
That's why Atlus can screw themselves with their preorder bullcrap
>OST CD when the soundtrack will be available on the net in September
>Artbook whose content will be available on the net in September
The steelbook is the only thing that I'm interested in and I will just wait for an hi-res pic of the cover to make my own instead of that horrendous consored one.
Am I the only one that doesn't really like to listen to japanese voices?
>>340394882
no, USA is a big and quite populated country
>>340394882
Most of people who understand japanese and aren't otakus, prefer to not listen "seiyū"
>>340393358
Because you're a cunt and nobody cares about appeasing 1 customer, no matter how big of a cunt they are
>>340383895
It's harder to notice poor va in a foreign language
>>340394914
>USA
>At this hour
>>340383895
>mfw wendee lee ashley burch or stephanie sheh will voice one of these girls
how do you feel about that?
>>340384415
The Simpsons aren't "Americans" they are fucking CARTOON characters and have literally nothing to do with the actual USA and American culture, same with setting.
>>340389137
Ikeda is one trick pony, Maaya is a good singer but a mediocre actress. Nakata and Hayashibara are good, but Hayashibara is pass her prime.
>>340394982
too bad that I notice it way easier in English cause English is foreign language for me
that makes English VA so much worse, cause noticing bad JP VA is way harder
>>340395014
UK then
god bless queen, yadda yadda yadda
tho I wonder, do UK citizens like american dubs?
>>340383895
>we're no slouches when it comes to dubs.
They don't actually believe this do they?
That's too funny if they aren't saying it ironically.
Real talk: I can tell if an English voice actor is awful because I know English. I can only detect emotion in Japanese because I don't know what they're saying. Japanese lets my imagination fill in the gaps. Literally any language I don't know would serve the same role. If I knew Japanese but not English I'd probably prefer the English dub.
>>340394914
I'm yuropoor and English isn't even my native language
Also, I think >>340394982 has a point
I play all my games in English, because dubs in my native language are usually worse and sound bad to me
While I don't mind dubbed shows or movies
>>340384053
Then import.
>>340395076
No, the simpsons clearly mirror american culture and lifestyle
Can't say the same about persona since 3
>>340384701
Well then RPG players should be more tolerant of reading. Or do you not read item descriptions?
>>340395140
Nah usually direction is fucking awful whenever something gets a second round of voice acting.
see dragon's dogma
>>340395206
The simpsons haven't accurately reflected American culture or lifestyle in 15+ years
I'm not too overly anal either way, but I can understand where people are coming from. Persona is basically an anime, and anime dubs tend to be cringeworthy, and Japanese voice acting JUST WORKS.
For an example of a game, FFXV's English voice acting is shit outside of Ignis. Thankfully it's basically fucking quad-audio.
>>340384053
Persona 5's Japanese cast is AA tier.
>>340395261
>Persona 5's Japanese cast is AA tier.
wow
How it's even possible to be so retarded?
>>340395342
What are you talking about, half of the voices are really, really good. The rest are okay.
>>340384053
This. I don't know why it's only anime and video game fans that get bent out of shape about people wanting original audio.
>>340395234
DD's English voiceover was cute. "Ought" is a cute word. CUTE.
>>340393874
>horrendous consored one
Are you seriously talking about the cat being lifted up because of the ERSB logo?
>>340395462
English was the original language
>>340395149
English is not my native language either and I stopped playing localisations on my native language around 15 years ago. Cause they sucked that much.
Learned English and played on English.
That didn't make English dubs of JP games any better tho.
Now imagine that you never moved from consuming media on your native language just cause it was slightly better quality wise and it was everywhere in media especially considering tons of that media made by same native English speaking people.
It becomes way, way harder to realize that dubs can be bad when you listen for them for decades. They become too normal for native English speakers, so they don't bother with original audio. Because it would mean to admit that what they've been enjoying for years is actually not all that great quality wise.
also older the habit - harder to change it
>>340395445
Because you only interact with anime and video game fans?
>>340395342
Compared to English dubbing, a dead dog, bloated in decomposition with the sound of flies buzzing and excess gas leaking out its festering asshole in post-mortem flatulence is AA.
>>340395137
What were they going to say? "don't worry, Young Bosch is only going to do 6 different roles this time"?
It's pretty much PR bullshit.
>>340395462
Is this a rare word in America?
I hear it all the time.
If you consider japanese and english voice acting work equally shitty in quality
Japan still wins
It's simple, it's an actual industry there, the sheer quantity means more quality makes it through.
English has a handful of voice actors for each gender
>>340395069
Chances are they won't use burch unless they're going full non-union again, which would make half the cast the people funimation uses meaning roosterteeth faggots would be voicing it.
>>340395541
I don't think that's the case. Anybody I know that doesn't want to watch a foreign film in it's original language simply doesn't watch them, because they're well adjusted and know dubbing is trash.
>>340395581
>Compared to English dubbing
Actually in this case, even usual Atlus USA voice team will be one same level as japanese version
>>340395618
Whatever came about with that union strike?
>>340386653
Any criticism against subtitle quality goes for dub quality as well, you need to translate the speech before it can be dubbed.
>>340395676
Literally nothing because no one that mattered supported it.
>>340395672
>Actually in this case, even usual Atlus USA voice team will be one same level as japanese version
>>340395396
>half of the voices are really, really good
>>340395245
But America has no culture, what are you talking about?
>>340395763
Jokes on you, I didn't specify which ones I like so you can't bluntly call them shit.
Weebs are the fucking worst.
>>340395396
>I liked character that this guy voiced, so he must be a good va
>>340395848
How do you form opinions without using past performance as a benchmark?
>>340395827
>said on anime board which owned by asian about heavily anime stylized Japanese game in jRPG genre
ok
i play games in original language
whatever its japan/english/polac spanish or whatever other shit
>>340395810
But he can call every voice in the game shit, which would include the ones you think are good
340385578
You don't even deserve a (you) for that
>>340383895
>Can someone explain, why so many people have a problem with no gook voices in the Persona 5?
Don't get me wrong, I understand the desire to want to change voices because occasionally the English can be bad but nowadays when something isn't to someone's liking, it's incredibly important. Like life or death to them
people who play video games and have no other hobbies are some of the biggest retards on the planet. Prove me wrong
>>340395932
Then you know he's blatantly shitposting.
>>340395931
This anon get it
>>340395931
I played Ass Creed 2 in Italian and that was neat.
How's Witcher 3 in Polish?
>>340396140
>people who play video games and have no other hobbies are some of the biggest retards on the planet. Prove me wrong
no, the biggest ones are the ones who argue on videogame board instead of playing videogames
including us both
>>340395608
Are brits literally cute girls doing cute things the country?
>>340389137
Hayashibara is past her prime, like Rie Kugimiya
Aoi Yuuki and Nana Mizuki are probably the best female seiyuu in the industry right now and Nana is a mainstream musician.
>>340396369
Depends. London looks a lot like Mecca now.
Rural countryside villages are still what you might expect with down to earth people who just mind their own business.
I prefer dubs but why is dual audio still a thing the eludes atlus?
Is it disc space?
Okay, if your precious japanese voices are always so good, then how come that both Rise english voices were far better than gook old harpy one?
>>340396518
Rise, Kanji and Adachi were literally the only good actors, everyone else sucked.
>>340396472
Disc space is a non issue.
Squeenix offers multiple language downloads to get around that.
They wouldn't even need to since audio files aren't that big, but they insist on hard subbing gigantic FMV files for reasons I will never understand and that increases the size by 20GB or so.
>>340396247
dunno , but witcher 1 was..well . translate like shit for sure
>geralt answers a long ass shit
>sub says "ok"
>>340396418
>Aoi Yuuki
>good
You can't be serious
She can only be generic or generic moeblob
>>340395245
>American culture
>culture
>>340396557
>Oh cool we got Laura Bailey
>Ask her to sound like Laura Bailey as much as she can
>We got Troy Baker
>Make sure he sounds exactly like Troy Baker
>Genius! We did it! Another top tier dub!
I like the actors to be honest. I hate the directors though. No imagination.
>>340396594
Hello?
Have you looked at this game?
>>340396594
>aoi yuuki has no range
fuck off with your objectively wrong memes when she also voices clementine
Anyone else thing a lot of Japanese voice acting sounds a bit, generic?
Like, they are generally better at voice acting than most low budget dubs don't get me wrong, but they just sound so, boring. A lot of it probably has to do with the fact that I don't really speak Japanese, just the standard "weeb Japanese" But it often feels like English voices have more personality to them. Hell, even a bad VA has something special going for it, even if it is just being bad.
Like every voice actor is a Troy Baker or Nolan North instead of just half of them. We need more Wakamotos.
>>340396558
Don't SE usually release them included? I know FFX PC came with Japanese voices even though you had to mod it in to even get them. Like, at least give as the choice to not download them for us with shitty internet.
>>340396472
Because Atlus are faggots
Although for me when you have companies like Treehouse absolutely butchering the game with 4kids-tier censorship, Fatlus is the lesser of two evils
>>340396518
Because Rie Kugimiya is normally typecasted as fuck playing shitty tsundere
The amount of faggots that do not understand that the original voices convey more actual emotion because they are actually acting like b-tier actors, compared to the american dubs that grab whichever kid wants to work for a free candy bar.
American dubs are the worst in the entire world, it is not hard to understand people dont want that shit.
>it will never be illegal for Atlus to dub games
>>340396643
This is the main problem with western voice acting.
It's 99.9% type casted
>>340396732
>I know FFX PC came with Japanese voices even though you had to mod it in to even get them.
FFX PC didn't get a disc release, you might notice.
They put the game out on disc then put language options out as DLC on day one.
Sometimes they charge you money (DK3)
>>340396643
Reminds me of Steve Blum. Like he as a pretty good range but everyone just asks him to do this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sd7oC3wmpuA
>>340383895
>>340388048
>Mamoru Miyano
>B-tier
Are you alright?
>>340383895
They can hear odd inflections and pronunciations in English.
They can't hear odd inflections or pronunciations in Japanese.
Thus Japanese is better.
It's the dumbest shit of all time. Dualaudiofags literally like it just because it's Japanese.
Just fucking learn Japanese and import games already you fucking weebs.
>>340396803
>Watch Matt Mercer play NPCs in his D&D games
>Each character is new and interesting
>Hear Matt in a video game
>He sounds like Troy Baker
Unintelligible gibberish > Intelligible gibberish
>>340396801
Yeah but not on PC. They removed the Japanese voice option for westerners, but still included the voices. You could mod the exe and get Jap voices and Eng subs though.
>>340396891
So what your're saying it
lylat wars > star fox zero
>>340396902
Must be a licencing work-around then.
>>340383895
>Can someone explain, why so many people have a problem with no gook voices in the Persona 5?
>I would understand if japanese cast were A-tier professionals, but they are literally B-tier "seiyū", literally no difference compared to the english dub team.
Japanese voices for a japanese game
>>340396594
Fremy, Hibiki, Clementime, Krul, Yagyu etc etc don't fall under generic moeblob.
You must be mistaking her for Hanazawa or something.
>>340396827
>posting in a weeb game thread
>calls other people weebs
How about you fuck off?
>>340396958
Anon the soundless webm does a bad job of displaying her vocal talent.
>>340383895
English VAs for Anime and videogames are plain awful, you can't deny that. There are exceptions obviously, but if even one VA in a major role sucks, everything is ruined.
And Atlus is not suddenly hiring people who actually can voice act like in cartoons or movies. Never gonna happen. They're only gettin C grade anime VAs.
>>340396827
But its nice to hear it acted as the director intended instead of a poor substitute
>>340396252
There is nothing wrong with arguing, if we never argued about anything nothing would ever improve in our world.
There are constructive arguments and worthless arguments pertaining to every interest and medium.
>>340396941
Yeah. But you would think they could at least remove them so we don't have to download like 5-10gb extra for a feature we(legitimately) can't even use.
Fairly certain they did a similar thing with XIII where they had to fucking have duplicates of every pre-rendered cutscene for dual languages taking up a fuckload of space.
>>340396827source
>>340397106
True, devs don't give a fuck about your hard disk space anymore.
>>340397034
ok, so learn Japanese so you can understand it.
All you've done is take the argument one layer back. You haven't actually countered anything. You still don't have the knowledge necessary to truly appreciate the work; You just can't tell when something is bad so you default it to good.
>>340397037
>There are constructive arguments and worthless arguments pertaining to every interest and medium.
thing is that which is which is not up to you to decide.
>>340383895
Because it's a japanese game fucktard.
>>340397028
He doesn't care about voice, he just love characters she voiced
>>340388730
Something like Uncharted, The Witcher 3 and even Mass Effect have good or even excellent dubs, compared to those the ones in Persona are dogshit, Persona 4's dub was alright, but I have no idea where this idea that Persona 3 had a "great dub" comes from, it was a good game but the dub was in worst case dogshit and in best case corny and awkward.
>>340397301
>>340396951
This is the dumbest shit I've ever seen.
Ok, since it takes place in Japan, have Japanese audio.
Just gonna... take these subtitles away...
Oh you didn't know? They don't have subtitles in real life. When someone speaks a language you don't understand you're just fucked.
Also, games aren't real. They don't take place in Japan.
There's absolutely no reason to not have the option.
There's even LESS reason for atlusfags to defend atlus for not putting that option in
>>340397426
>Just gonna... take these subtitles away...
Who plays without subtitles even if you understand the language?
>>340397345
That's reasonable of him.
Past performance is always an indicator of future results.
If more people on /v/ learned this they might stop buying shitty games.
>>340397034
Not in case with persona
Director doesn't give a shit how characters sounds, see undub versions of p3 and p4
Akira Ishida was the only one who tried to do something, but of course his role didn't had many lines
>>340397426
Are you serious or retarded ?
>>340397426
This is the most retarded shit I have ever read in a Persona thread.
>Oh you didn't know? They don't have subtitles in real life. When someone speaks a language you don't understand you're just fucked.
It's a videogame
>Also, games aren't real. They don't take place in Japan.
What? Just because it's a work of fiction doesn't mean it can't take place in a real place, or are you going to tell me that Saving private Ryan doesn't take place in France during WW2,(it takes place on a hollywood set huehuehue).
To be honest a lot of the time it's not even the VA's that are to blame but the shitty writing.
Pretty much nobody can make that awkward stuff sound natural. It's not as noticeable when it's read in your head or in a language you don't know.
Like just look at FFX and what they had to do during the cut scenes.
You could take Simon Templeman at the top of his game and even then it would sound pretty off most of the time.
>>340397669
I want to hear Morgan Freeman do Tidus' "AHAHAHAHAHA" line.
>>340383895
Do burgers really listen to their animu and vidya with US cast ?
That's kinda hilarious.
>>340397183is this futalink
>>340397426
>This is the dumbest shit I've ever seen.
Then you should probably start proofreading your own posts
>>340397741
They also force non-Americans to do the same thing.
>>340383895
Because it's cringe worthy listening to Japanese honorifics in English.
>>340397741
Niggers can't read
America is 60% white
do the math
>>340397516
I already brought it in the previous thread, Momoka from sabagebu. Great and entertaining character in the anime with many lines, but her VA is talantless garbage who proved many times that she can't act or improvise for shit.
Director can make any VA sound good, VA only needed to attract retards money, nothing more. Almost anyone can do such a job. They are treated like a garbage in the industry for very good reason
>>340397591
>it takes place on a hollywood set
Actually, it doesn't. They filmed that shit in Ireland.
>>340383895
Because gooks got real voice actors that know what they're doing.
Can anyone explain to me why so many people are against dual audio?
How does it affect anyone who prefers the dub? How is their experience changed in any way whatsoever?
>>340398025
Waste of space on my console
>>340398025
Professionally trained Atlus USA fans.
f-fucking weebs
>he says while playing his japanese highschool waifu simulator
>>340398081
It's allright since the ps4 got no games to use that space anyway
>>340397808
No
And it's drgraevling
>>340397919
To bad they are so caught up in their training they never dare to do interesting stuff.
Like there is zero difference between different "street thug" voices in Japanese media. Itäs ridiculous.
>>340398025
If it was sub only you wouldn't have to leave /v/ for 7 months to avoid spoilers.
>>340398192
Is he still doing stuff?
Must feel a bit sad to know you've become famous for making fanart of a game that is now dead.
>>340398284
No one is asking for sub only
>>340384053
Oh but a shoddy english sub is ok?
You fucking retard if you want Japanese audio go get the Japanese version and you get Japanese text as well!
Oh you can't actually understand the language you demand? too bad kid get fucked
Fucking autists really.
How can anyone prefer a dub? They just gangpress the studio's janitorial team into the recording room for fuck's sake. Dual audio is fine but are dubs really so popular that they should be the only option? Are there that many fags who utterly lack the ability to recognize garbage when they hear it who play JRPGs in the west today? Fucking Christ Fatlus if I hear one more Sasami I swear I'll boycott your everything forever.
>>340383895
But they are A tier professionals, you fucking retard
>Ashley Burch
>>340383895
Hearing words you don't understand is better than cringey voice acting sometimes.
>>340383895
>A-ha is this our chance?
Because people think american dubs are shit, which they are.
The japanese voices and acting are just as awful, but since people don't understand japanese other than the handful of words they know, they think it's wonderful.
They both suck ass. Go watch variety shows and you'll see how retarded japanese voice acting sounds.
IMO the biggest problem with american voice acting is that it looks like there are 10 voice actors in the entire US and they do everything.
>>340398192
thanks senpai
>I would understand if japanese cast were A-tier professionals, but they are literally B-tier "seiyū"
This is how you know the thread is bait and shouldn't be taken seriously. Fucking Char, the Darth Vader of Japan is voicing this shit..
Also pic related, Vagina-san.
>>340398465
>How can anyone prefer a dub
you know anime faggots who go to western comic cons and cosplay, also have anime girl avatars and bought 1 figma so they call themselves weeaboos
those ones.
>>340398465
Uneducated burgers that can't enjoy something unless it's in their own filthy language, which itself is a raped version of real english.
>>340398586
>The japanese voices and acting are just as awful, but since people don't understand japanese other than the handful of words they know, they think it's wonderful.
This is the most retarded excuse I see in this debate.
By your own logic, how the fuck would you know either? You don't know jap any better than subfags
>>340398691
That's the thing, man.
I've lived and talked with japanese people for a long while, and subbed a lot of variety material.
Then you go back and watch any sort of anime and just to drop it all and walk away. Not just anime but dramas also.
>>340398586
>You don't know jap so you can't really tell if people are ACTING nice
Truly the most retarded argument that's parroted all the time. If you can't tell the emotion (or lack of it depending on the character) coming out of someone's voice you're simply autistic.
>>340383895
Because some things are only ok in anime. Hearing Jap voices that go with the anime style is better because you are used to associating weird over the top characters and the way they talk dramatically with anime and Japanese.
Hearing a dub is like watching a live action adaptation. It's cringey because it doesn't sound natural and does not fit the look of the characters.
>>340398827
My dad works for Toei and he says you're full of shit
>>340384053
>I don't want a shitty english dub in a japanese game set in japan with japanese culture
>In fact, I don't want anyone non-japanese or someone like me who has studied Japanese culture ALL his life even play this game ( I live in Arizona but I'm practically Japanese because my grandfather fought in Pearl Harbour, I have even taken a japanese name and wear kimono and a katana every day at school)
>This is a japanese game for japanese people
Yeah fuck off weeb.
I play what I want and if I want an English dub let me have it.
>>340398608
if only it was a bait
this dual audio thing especially regarding Atlus games going for so long, it can't possibly be one
There are legitimately convinced people that Eng dub is better.
>>340398827
>American Cartoon characters don't really speak like real american people, so the voice acting is bad
This is what you're seriously saying.
>>340398937
No one is saying you can't have a dub you fucking sperg.
>>340383895
There is no obligation for western dub crews to return to their characters.
Almost all of the Persona 4 were recast in the sequels.
Some Western VAs have signed into unions that require incremental increase in pay if they have to return to voice a character. Therefore there is no character voice loyalty in western VA culture.
And if you use Japanese VA the voices will very likely be the same ones you know and love.
>>340398937
>plays japanese games
>call other weeb
>>340399130
There is a difference in playing games and sleeping with a pillow with an anime girl printed on it.
I love Aoi.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tth8RBM0Ol8
https://u.pomf.io/efbilj.webm
https://u.pomf.io/xwghdw.webm
https://youtu.be/VbX2kOainRY?t=1m46s
https://youtu.be/WuaWVPbMkk0?t=1m30s
https://a.pomf.cat/mmioqw.webm
>>340398896
Oh no, you can tell what emotions they are trying to convey, but the way words and sentences are pronounced in japanese anime and games (for most of the time) is often exaggerated and makes them sound like super heroes who are trying too hard. Same happens with american voice acting. Hardly any of it sounds natural. Same thing happens there.
>>340398968
Yes. Out of all games you've played, how many actually sounded like something you'd hear in real life in terms of emotions and such? Be honest now.
>>340383895
Fun Fact :
The Japanese voice actors are just as terrible as the English ones. You just can't tell because you're not Japanese.
>>340399119
That's literally what this thread is about?
People sperging over how there is just an english dub but no original japanese voices
>>340399284
You seem to think that you can't have both for a western release.
>>340399205
there is also a difference between sleeping with a pillow of an anime girl and preferring japanese audio
nobody takes your dubs away
>>340399274
>Hardly any of it sounds natural. Same thing happens there.
So? That's not really the point, is it? Sounding natural and sounding good isn't the same thing
>>340399126
>were recast in the sequels
And the quality nosedived, especially come Dancing.
NuNaoto didn't sound nearly as good. Mercer can do a bootleg Baker but sadly, thats all he hired for.
I can't believe I actually miss EDGE MAVERICK.
>>340399284
Do you understand the concept of dual audio? It's dual. You get both languages. You can pick the one you want. You get what you want, I get what I want. There is nothing for you to complain about here.
>>340399274
Acting like in real life doesn't mean it's good or bad. Cartoons (even western ones) are usually more over-the-top in nature.
Of course normal japanese women don't all have squaeaky school girl voices or all men have ultra deep voices but that really has nothing to do with quality acting.
>>340399415
>>340399480
So by your standards, voice acting quality is measured by how good the voice is, regardless of how shitty the emotions portrayed might be?
>>340399625
But they're not portrayed shittily in japanese, at least not with the kinda cast that P5 has going for.
Exaggeration is not the same as a poor portrayal
>>340383895
Because they're fucking weebs who even after all these years STILL can't stand the idea of an English dub, even though I can guarantee 90% of the faggots will still be reading the dub's SCRIPT rather than listening to the actual dialog.
There's no practical purpose for it. It will actually cost Atlus USA a fuckton of spare change just to license the audio track. They would rather put a dent in the wallet of the company that already does a good amount for its fans than listen to the language they've been speaking most of their lives.
>>340399278
Even if that does turn out to be true, so what? If someone enjoys the original voices more he enjoys them more. The reason doesn't really matter, does it? Are you going to start complaining about people asking for other game features because you don't feel like their reasons for enjoying them are good enough? Do you think it's just fake enjoyment or something?
If you liked the P4 undub more than the English dub, you're fucking insane.
>>340383895
>I would understand if japanese cast were A-tier professionals
Except they are.
They do commercial voicework regularly when not voicing pedophile cartoons.
>>340399625
>regardless of how shitty the emotions portrayed
But I defended how it's fine if the emotions are conveyed in my very first post.
You seem to think voice acting is only fine when it seems natural AND has proper emotion, which is fine.
But I don't really think sounding natural is that important, since cartoons/games, japanese or not, are usually more colorful than real life.
>>340399864
Funny, I'd say the reverse. The dub work for that game was fucking atrocious.
Why do you use seiyu when you're speaking English? We have that word in our language, and it's voice actor. The weeb here is you.
>>340384053
You should just fucking learn nip if you're going to get this anal about it
>>340383895
I'm no slouch either, check these
>>340400096
The cool thing about subtitles is that they make it so you don't need to learn other languages. You can read them and comprehend what people are saying so you can appreciate the acting even if it's in another language. They're very handy.
>>340383895
>Can someone explain, why so many people have a problem with no gook voices in the Persona 5?
Because look at what they did to P4 Dance.
>>340399864
If you genuinely liked hearing english speakers try to throw random honorifics into their sentences, you need to have your brain checked.
>>340398489
They aren't
>>340400294
That was a shitty casual music game though.
>>340400224
>>The cool thing about subtitles is that they make it so you don't need to learn other languages
This is what EOPs actually believe.
>guy who voiced my favorite character 20 years ago got another role
>he must be good
>>340400358
Prove they aren't.
People proved they are just by posting their names. You just keep going "nuh uh they aren't."
>EOPs bickering
lol草www
>>340400362
>That was a shitty casual music game though.
Doesn't change the fact they still had to swap in a good va with someone who has the emotion capability of a semi truck backing up.
>>340400464
>People proved they are just by posting their names
>>340400446
>Guy with extremely recognizable voice who voiced a character 37 years ago that gets parroted/referenced/imitated/ripped off by other series even outside its own genre to this day even from stuff made in other continents that isn't a one trick pony and also voiced several other iconic characters
>He must be bad
>>340400641
Well yeah. Those are all recognizable names with tons of lead/popular roles
If you don't recognize them it's just because you objectively don't know what you're talking about.
>>340400342
Oh sorry, my small English speaking brain didn't realize that literally all the dialog was just -san -chan -senpai I sure learned my lesson
Fuck off. If it bothers you that much, then that's too fucking bad because I barely even noticed. English speakers using honorifics doesn't affect my enjoyment of the game or its dub in the slightest. Get over yourself. Are you even fluent in Japanese? Or are you just one of those idiots who thinks because he remembers a few stock anime phrases that he's suddenly an expert in all things Nippon?
>>340400464
Their main job(except Nana) is voicing cartoons and act "cute" while doing it
This alone should tell you that they are not better than English VA
>>340400749
By that logic western VA are just as good, because they are just as well know.
>>340400771
Why are you getting so worked up about this?
>>340383895
It's 2016 any big boy weeb company and even small ones do this. Not to mention after the sales of P4 and it's spinoffs this game is obviously going to do very well unlike a lot of games that come over while till including a multi audio option.
Before you claim they can't afford these actors half the cast has been in compile heart games. Lastly you are being sold an inferior product, just what if the dub ends out being horrifically bad? Well then in most release you have the OPTION of changing to audio which is what DUAL means.
>>340400771
Only played the undub of P4, but I ahve seen clips of the english voices and most of the characters sound like they are horrible people to be around in english. And you could instantly tell that Naoto was a girl, her voice actress had an extremely feminine voice.
>>340400851
Sure. They are well knownfor being bad kek
Point is people proved they aren't B-listers. That's what all the autism is about here.
>>340400749
>Well yeah. Those are all recognizable names with tons of lead/popular roles
>means they are good
Well, good news for you. In English dub you will see many familiar names too:)
>>340384053
You are not japanese. Quit being a fucking faggot.
>>340400904
>most of the characters sound like they are horrible people to be around in english
I don't even know what this is supposed to mean.
>>340400850
>Their main job(except Nana) is voicing cartoons
>Implying this is shameful
That is why american voice acting took a while to reach some degree of quality. It's seen as a shitty low tier job for a long time while japs have been taking it seriously for decades now.
>>340384415
I've been to Japan people there pretty much act exactly like mundane SoL anime, the ones without any super powers. These kids and the stetting is definitely meant to be similar to standard Japanese things. America doesn't have functional trains or working schools for one.
>>340400995
I'm not american either so fuck your shitty dubs
>>340400972
I'm excited to know who's the Char in the game.
>>340400975
Unfortunately.
>this is what people in this thread are defending
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kd0rTsuqhVA
>>340401273
Is there a mute only voices option?
>>340401273
God this Chie is so fucking bad.
And Yukiko sounds extremely bored while trying to sound younger and cute.
>>340401159
Well, it is shameful in japan
This is why any worthwhile va has others jobs, usually singer(not anime songs singer) or model
>>340401273
Holy shit, and you just KNOW Chie's voiceactress in this clip will voice one of the main characters in Persona 5 because Atlus always uses her.
This entire thread is a bunch of idiots getting baited by one or two assholes. Its disgusting. They are only posting to get a rise out of people and they probably made the goddamn thread to begin with to bait a discussion to troll.
There is no point talking to them as they arent here to have a conversation but just to be a dick.
Also dubs suck ass. I dont care if you dont like that i said that and i dont care what you have to say about it.
>>340401273
>this is the exciting gameplay on offer in Persona
Hahaha woOOOOOowoooWOow think I'll skip it thanks.
>>340383895
Because the creator of the game chose those specific voices to be the character of the game just like North was chosen to be the voice of Drake. Japanese characters also almost always have mannerism of inflections in their voices that can't be replicated by some hack voice director at Atlus USA. Subtitles are always the superior format regardless of the language I don't understand how humans got to allergic to reading and experiences another culture.
>>340398385
literally how every foreign film ever is viewed
>>340401582
>Japanese characters also almost always have mannerism of inflections in their voices that can't be replicated by some hack voice director at Atlus USA.
Oh boy, here we fucking go.
>>340401273
>b-but Persona 4 had an excellent dub!!! AtlusUSA are no slouches when it comes to dubs!!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bKO3RmxiJXM
>>340401273
My god chie's sounds like shit
>>340399237
>Noposting CRAZY AOI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lo8XNHVlCsw
Basically LOL eops, but even more loler EOP weeaboos that cry about english dubs
See this weeaboo>>340401582
Simple way to tell good VA from the mediocre one
Just ask the question, what can he bring to the role? How can he expand and improve character? If you can't answer, than you either don't know this VA or he is mediocre second rate garbage
I guess its a god thing i have modded PS3.
I guess its the only way to play the Undubed right now.
I don't see how hard it is to understand that the guys Atlus USA pay to dub their games are complete shit. Square Enix games get excellent dub since PS3/360 gen (mixed for the PS2 gen). Bamco got not too shitty dubs for their games. Fucking NISA tries to do things somehow well by trying to find some new guys to fit the characters better (and there is dual audio anyway).
But Atlus dubs are complete shit Jesus Christ, and the localized script is a turd, you cannot let honorifics like this, fuck. The only arguably good dub is Catherine because it dfeature middle aged people dubbed by middle aged people.
Other possible explanation:
Atlus hates Europe, doesn't release games in Europe, which is where your sales plummel if you don't include JP voiceover, while americucks are unable to read subtitles and look at the action, so they get away with it (they can thanks their braindead fanbase for this though, accepting Atlus tax2and all)
>>340401458
Not all VA jobs are that shameful.
Sure, if you pretend to suck cocks for eroges for a living then obviously. But if you're voicing mainstream ultra popular stuff for kiddies you're fine. You're the kid's hero, how is that shameful?
>>340401661
>Talks about Persona 4
>Posts Persona 4 Golden
>>340401635
It's true retard the language is full shit like that that some fag from California can not replicate no matter how hard they try. You can't prove me wrong because your completely uneducated.
>>340401709
You're just a retard.
>>340401858
>I-It's just Golden you g-guys! Original Persona 4 w-was great I swear!!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WAefGu7EIOk
>>340386714
Imagine being so fucking retarded and delusional you think Idolshit isn't otaku pandering
>>340401915
And you're a clueless weeaboo.
>>340401686
Dat hug.
>>340401967
That's the voice of a 25 years old woman, not a teenager.
>>340387805
Funny you can even say that when JYB, Yuri, and Bailey all do voice work for these games and they sound exactly the fucking same in everything.
I play Overwatch with Japanese dub.
If the PS4 version had dual audio I might opt for the JP voices but it astounds me that people are willing to sacrifice graphics and performance for something so dumb.
>>340401915
>You can't prove me wrong because your completely uneducated.
Why should I prove you wrong when your position is entirely unsupported?
You didn't name a single instance where what you're claiming happened actually happened LMAO
>>340402103
Remember that this is what these retards are defending and that's also what AtlusUSA considers a good dub and what they refer to when they say "remember, we are no slouches when it comes to dubs"
>>340402204
Well I also get to play it without giving Atlus a cent.
And it's not like the difference will be that massive, the game was made for PS3
>>340401984
It's not
Everyone listen idols, it's mainstream as fuck
Of course there always pedo bait one song wonder idols, but actually popular ones are very mainstream
But of course retard like you will always associate idols with otaku baits, you just can't understand that such popular thing can be a theme for the game
It would help if Atlus just came out and said why they can't get Dual Audio
Even though they have done so in the past, like Stella Glow to an extent and the fighting games.
At this point, I don't think it's Atlus USA, but Atlus JP that are calling the shots for no dual audio
>>340401984
Drake and rihana are just as much Idolshit.
>>340402204
I won't play it at all, I have enough backlog of games with jp audio intact to not care about P5.
>>340402293
>Everyone listen idols, it's mainstream as fuck
Nice joke.
>>340402390
Not him, but try looking around sometime. For example recently Cocos had a promotion together with Love Live all over Japan.
>>340402532
I sincerely hope you don't think that even 10% of people in Japan could name a single character in fucking Love Live.
>>340402293
>Kawaii pure innocent idols and lolis who are so cute~
>Weeb visuals
>JPOP soundtrack
>Not Otaku pandering
Holy shit, this is some hilarious retardation. I know you're mad because Nintendo is in the shitter, but lets not throw away reality just yet.
>>340402675
I sincerely hope you don't think that even 10% of people in America could name a single hero in fucking Marvel Cinematic Universe.
Maybe rethink how big the world is and what's enough to be mainstream.
>>340402390
When I was on the business trip in japan, I met a 30 years old guy in the office who had akb song as his ringtone
No one gives a shit if it's idols songs, if it's cheap anime music(like persona usually uses), then it's shameful(if you aren't alpha enough and can't pull it off)
Idol shit is not Love Live. Its shit like AKB48. Love Live is just an idol inspired anime which means it has even less of a chance of being mainstream.
And Idols arent mainstream. Most of their sales get so high because some people will buy hundreds of their albums at a time to collect handshake tickets. Its still a sub culture.
>>340402390
>>340402675
Idols are pop stars. Of course they're mainstream you fucking retard. I'd name a western pop star but I don't know any modern ones.
Anglo dubs sound awful to anyone who isn't an anglo.
>>340402971
>collect handshake tickets
I hope you are aware that most if idols don't do shit like that
>>340402838
So no real arguments and only your feelings?
>>340402897
Did you seriously just compare blockbuster capeshit to a crappy otaku show? I don't think you understand the influence that anime actually has on the country.
>>340402959
There are freaks everywhere, it doesn't make them mainstream.
>>340403045
They're not really pop stars, they're heavily supported by the saddest group of faggots around and have awful variety shows to promote their retarded characters.
Either give me JP audio or give me an option to turn off dialogue audio completely, doesn't really matter to me either way as long as I don't have to listen to dogshit american voice actors.
Game takes place in Japan.
Only makes sense everyone speaks Japanese.
https://youtu.be/J3Wc7Ms0aYY?t=63
>>340403054
sadly this is hard concept to grasp nowadays
>>340403182
They're pop star groups, think of an idol group as like n-sync or some shit
>shitty simple music
>someone else writes all their music
>fanbase only really cares because of their looks
>>340403165
You said that Persona is Otaku oandering because the girls are virgins. Idols are literally not allowed to date at all or else they be accused of being sluts and their career will be ruined. How is that better than Persona?
If I showed a trailer of #FE and a trailer of Persona 5 to normalfags, which one do you think they'd be more receptive to?
>>340403182
You're clueless, you shitty Redditor returgitating clueless shit.
When you come to Japan look around, faggot. Idolmaster and LoveLive are all over konbinis, restaurants and other normal places.
I'm not talking about other series, but these two are known well enough.
>>340403182
>I don't know shit about japan or idols
There many bad things about idols, but you just retarded
>>340403390
>Idols are literally not allowed to date at all or else they be accused of being sluts and their career will be ruined.
Again, you obviously don't know shit about japan
This is only fair for the akb48, most of others popular idols marry, date and fuck whoever they want
And japan media constantly shit on the akb for their purity cult
Reminder that Western pop stars are not the same as idols because they don't have restrictions on being able to date, have sex and are allowed to have a career after turning 18.
>>340403451
Idols are the best thing to come out of Japan, though.
>>340403412
Being plastered to shit doesn't mean anything. And again, you're still going on about idol animu shit even though you'll find plenty of other animu shit all over every surface, because that's just how Japan works.
>>340403625
Show me the scene in #FE were any of the idols admit to having sex or previous boyfriends. I'll wait. Even Chie in Persona 4 has had a boyfriend in the past.
I've live in Japan for 4 years.
As you should already know, Japanese people value sameness and do not have the values of uniqueness or being yourself that is so natural to us.
So in the case of creating and acting characters, they actually prefer to see the same stereotypes with the same speaking styles/quirks they've already seen a million times over. Because to them standing out or being different is a negative thing.
Now, does that sound interesting to you? The same old VA's doing the same old standard performances, again?
If your answer is yes you are a weaboo faggot
>>340403182
Nah, you're retarded. Stuff like Idolmaster is as popular and pervasive in daily life in Japan as Marvel is in the US. You've never been to Japan, I have, so shut up.
>>340403841
Are you implying that american dubs don't all have the same 10 voice actors doing the same voices for every role?
>>340403730
Why should I
And at least 2 female party members have male friends outside of party and it never was stated that they never dated before
>>340403841
>lives/d in Japan
>calls other people "weaboo" (sic)
Sameness is strength. Diversity is a weakness.
>>340403841
still better than english dubs, you faggot
you just homesick that's why you defend them
also this >>340403995
>>340403878
>Stuff like Idolmaster is as popular and pervasive in daily life in Japan as Marvel is in the US.
You're completely insane.
>>340403841
>old standard but polished perfomance which was made with characters in minde
>vs 1-2 takes of someone who tries to act like a teenager for some spare cash to get his shit together between odd jobs
hmmm, what a difficult choice.
>>340403956
So then how do you know the Persona girls are virgins? They have male friends. How do you know Chie didn't fuck her boyfriend? How do you know Rise dodn't get dicked by her producer? How do you know Naoto wasn't having casual sex with an investigator?
>>340383895
>Americans unable to deal with subtitles
>Americans ACTUALLY WANTING media to be dubbed
It's like you're all little children.
No American movie that isn't strictly for kids is ever dubbed in my language, and if it was, it would be laughed out of the cinema. Meanwhile, every serious critic would call it desecration of art.
American games don't even get get their translated to my language, and that's the way everyone wants it.
Why the fuck would I want a Japanese game to be dubbed? Why shouldn't I protest when it is? It doesn't matter if I understand the language or not. However, in my case I understand it well enough to enjoy the voice acting on its own merits, but I still need English subtitles for every time a difficult word pops up.
This all really shouldn't be hard to understand.
>>340397734
I want to romance gilbert gottfreid and hear him call me senpai
>>340403934
i am implying that have 10 actors doing 3 different roles each is already a million times more variety than japan
>>340383895
>People are upset that TMS #FE doesn't have a dub
>People are upset that Persona 5 doesn't have a sub
What the fuck do you want out of Atlus?
>>340404817
Then you're retarded
>>340403995
>anyone who lives in japan is automatically a weaboo
oh hey thats not the most stupid fucking thing in the world to say or anything.
actually it is you brain dead fucking moronic retard
>>340404884
No actually I'm the only one here who knows what the fuck he's talking about because I have a fucking education and years in the country with a high level of Japanese proficiency and an insight into the voice acting world.
Not some angry weaboo neckbeard fuck posting from his fucking moms house.
See when an insult like "retard" comes from me it has actual fucking meaning because there is argument, reason, experience, and knowledge behind. From you its just an empty sound with no punjch or reason or anything whatsoever to back it up.
You fucking stupid fat ugly virgin piece of dumb weaboo shit
>>340383895
except these seiyu can convey better emotion than nearly all Japanese actors
>>340404909
If you weren't a weeb you wouldn't choose Japan.
Australia, America, Canada, UK, New Zealand etc. are all better to live in than Japan. The only attraction Japan has is to weeaboos.
>>340383895
I don't want to hear honorifics in spoken english
>>340384053
Movie dubbing is a pretty poor comparison. There's no denying that anime/video games have way better dubbing for English and JP localisation than films. That being said, I still agree with you 99% of the time.
>>340404312
Picture taken by me at a subway station along Japan's busiest train line. These are fucking everywhere.
Retard.
>>340405209
Australia is shit
everything is overpriced
the weather is shit
the internet is shit
our candidates are a bigger joke than the US elections
>>340404861
>What the fuck do you want out of Atlus?
dual audio
>>340405324
You can't complain about weather and then choose Japan, you dullard.
Fucking whatever as long as I have the option to disable voices altogether. I ain't listening to these shitty dubs.
>>340405107
nah, you sound like a buttmad faggot though.
>>340403956
>>340404403
>Doesn't even reply
>>340405324
Australia is great if you aren't a shut-in.
>internet is a deciding factor in where you move
lmao
>>340405107
You sound upset
>>340405874
Imternet is literally a human right.
>>340388726
Wow wow, calm down retard. The dub was more than fine if you compare with the average dub.
>>340403730
>Even Chie in Persona 4 has had a boyfriend in the past
No she didn't, it is never stated that she had a boyfriend.
>>340405870
Because all of them specially tell you that you are their first, and if you played game then you obviously should know that
But you just want to shitpost about #fe and this is why you brought it in the first place
>>340406187
>>340406271
Chie brings up her previous boyfriend in her social link retard.
>>340404403
>How do you know Chie didn't fuck her boyfriend?
She never had a boyfriend, you're making shit up, and the guy was her friend in middleschool
>How do you know Rise dodn't get dicked by her producer?
True, Rise probably took many dicks
>How do you know Naoto wasn't having casual sex with an investigator?
Because she says she's never done these types of things before
>>340383895
Weebshit is very dominated by /a/ here which of course is the worst board on 4chan.
>>340406395
Is this some running joke you're trying to push or are you genuinely misinformed?
>>340405209
>America
>UK
>better than Japan
ahahahahahaha, the US is literally Africa of the west, and compared to many other countries in Europe UK is a piece of shit. I don't know much about AUstralia except that their internet is shit and everything is more expensive.
>>340406398
>n-no she didn't
>y-you're making shit up
HAHAHAHA
CHIE A SLUT
>>340406395
Play the game again and then come back retard.
>>340383895
I played Witcher 3 in Polish.
Kurwas were had.
I don't know about other people but I really like learning languages. ESL here.
>>340406573
Oh I see, you're a buthurt rise fan, angry at the "rise is a slut" meme
>>340406679
I'm not interested in either of those filthy whores.
>>340383895
>John Hardin
Just a reminder.
>>340406803
Would you prefer the games were not delayed and we got a sub-par game?
>>340406937
I'd prefer that the localization was done alongside development so we don't have a six month fucking delay
>>340398949
>There are legitimately convinced people that Eng dub is better.
>How can anyone have a different opinion from me like wooooow
>>340383895
I JUST WANT TO HEAR MY GAME IN JAPANESE
i don't care if the english dub is good or bad.
>>340407131
mostly cause quality of voice acting can be measured objectively considering experience of VA, how close they work with devs and writers, etc.
Not that hard of a concept.
Everyone has an opinion, too bad some of them shatter against hard facts.
Eng dub has zero possibilities to be ever better than JP one if it was done after the game release and not monitored by JP dev team itself.
I'm ok with Englishwhen it doesn't use cringey honorifics that don't work with the English language.
In reality it all comes down to disc size, if the disc is at absolute max capacity pre-translation, you cannot fit both audio tracks on the disc and they know that more people will buy the game dubbed, even if /v/ disagrees.
This of course doesn't stop them from making the Jap track DLC free or otherwise.
>>340383895
>I would understand if japanese cast were A-tier professionals, but they are literally B-tier "seiyū"
You know damn well that they aren't. They are some of the highest paid voice talent of their industry.
And the people hired for the English? They're anything but the highest paid of our industry.
>>340383895
>we're no slouches when it comes to dubs
Damn right
>>340408123
>if the disc is at absolute max capacity pre-translation
Which will never happen
>>340384535
Yeah like Italians.
>delayed to shit
>dub only
>"IT COSTS TOO MUCH MONEY GIVE SHEKELZ PLZ" excuse
>when Odin Sphere just got fucking released and HAS DUAL AUDIO
man, the persona games got fucked ever since P3
I hope that John Hardin faggot gets run over by a truck for his stupidity
>>340406937
The joke is that Atlus USA was kept in the dark about the delay until it was announced. The main reason for the localization taking 5 monhs is because Atlus doesn't trust them enough to allow them to start working on it prior to the release.
Heck, I'm amazed Atlus still lets them use their own logo and name.
>>340408462
FFXIII
>muh 1000x folded nippon voice actors
Just learn Japanese if you care about it so much.
>>340409637
>implying FFXIII filled up a fucking bluray
>>340409509
They trusted them enough with smt4
>JOON-PAY COON
Why are so many people upset about the lack of dual audio when there will be a day 1 undub version on PS3 for free?
>>340409782
It was literally 50GB
>>340410579
>literally 50GB
>fit on 3 DVDs
>>340383895
I *think* you're an American.
>>340411224
Sure if you're playing the downgraded 360 version. PS3 and PC version are both 50GB
>>340398937
>dat kettling idiocy
>>340411224
The 360 version was compressed to a disgusting degree and ran like shit m8.
Reminder
No dual audio No buy
>>340412885
All of those are the same voice actor? I don't believe it.
>>340399237
HIBIKE HIBIKE
>>340383895
>they are literally B-tier "seiyū",
>Sugita
Fine, you made me post. What's the next stage in your master plan?
>plays persona with voices
>>340383895
> but they are literally B-tier "seiyū"
>Ikeda
dumb amerifat
>>340383895
>Can someone explain, why so many people have a problem with no gook voices in the Persona 5?
Because the only reason it's not in the game is that atlusUSA are cheap/corrupt motherfuckers that would rather spend their "localiziation budget" on themselves and their non-union VA friends then spend the money to give the game dual audio or hire actors that aren't garbage like every other japanese game released in the last 10 years.
Now, that's pretty scummy, but their PR shills blatant lies that they aren't doing this feature everyone else has for their only big release in years is "we're putting all of our effort into the english track" (which is, again, a blatant lie because they hire non-union and put tons of their money towards "localization staff") is understandably pissing people off because people can generally tell when someone is bullshitting them
>>340413792
This
>it's a fat weeb that doesn't speak a word of nip thinks he can distinguish the nuances of Japanese acting to a sufficient enough extent to justify shunning his native tongue thread
>>340383895
B-tier "seiyu" is 50 times better than A-tier professionals from murica.
>Persona 5
>Yuri Lowenthal
>Ashly Burch
>Erin Fitzgerald
>Johnny Yong Bosch
>No dual audio
>Probably censored
>mfw
>>340388726
I prefer Code Geass' dub to the sub. I feel with either serious shows or funny shows, it's better to actually understand what you're hearing rather than just reading what's happening. It makes your brain perceive emotions more easily.
Anything slice of life, though, I need to read subs. English VAs can't pull of moe to save their life.
>>340383895
I don't usually care in games, but if the voice acting in English is noticeably bad I'd rather just read subtitles
>>340414198
And I know this because I am fluent in Japanese. Japanese seiyu are just so much more kawaii than those disgusting American pigs.
I should have been born Japanese...
>>340384053
Beautifully said famalam.
>>340413792
It's simpler than that. Nobody likes hearing 4Kids-quality dubs and if you can't understand the language at the very least, it's way more bearable. Or should I say, BEAR-able?Teddie needs to take a long walk off a short pier.
>>340414429
Nice falseflagging westaboo shit.
>>340414439
It wasn't a very good argument, it is just in line with your beliefs, so you think he's smart. This is why everyone used to love people like Adam Sessler so much.
>>340414274
go back to /a/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I6JzQbEyOb0
>>340414553
>blatant, mocking parody is false flagging now
>>340414606
>I'm acting!
>>340414606
I love how you faggots think over acted shit is good just because you can tell what the emotion is supposed to be across the language barrier.
>>340383895
I just don't want to hear an english voice saying honorifics or senpai. If you're going to make the characters english I don't mind, but don't make them cringey by using minor elements of another language. It's like if I tried talking to my chinese grandma and inserted random english words or expressions, it's annoying.
>>340414606
Pro tip: the acting is just as bad in Japanese. Loud and high energy does not make for good acting, no matter the language.
>>340414456
4Kids dubs are the only ones I willingly watch subs for, they are just too horrible and change too much. Other than that, I only watch subs if I don't feel like waiting on a show to get localized.
>>340414606
To play doubles advocate, the english script/translation he had to work with seems pretty shoddy. It's too literal and doesn't flow well compared to the Japanese.
>>340414919
>>340415007
kek
>>340415236
>doubles advocate
>>340413873
>>340413873
I can distinguish the nuances of English dubbing enough to shun it. I can't say the same for nip
>>340416943
Saying "this is acted badly" is not the same as saying "this is inferior".
>>340414565
It wasn't very good because you like to listen to a shitty toilet-tier voice acting?
>>340417138
K
Did I slip into some ongoing argument? I don't see how that's relevant. I was just replying to a random shitpost.
>>340417149
It wasn't a very good argument because it wasn't reasonable or sound. Live action films are not comparable to animated works, and the virtue of "the original intent" is nonsense when the original intent was not for you to have to fucking read while watching it.
You thought it was a good argument because you agreed with it.
>>340383895
>literally no difference compared to the english dub team
http://goboiano.com/list/2629-8-reasons-why-anime-dubs-are-bad-and-how-it%25E2%2580%2599s-your-fault
This extends to "anime looking games" as well.
http://vocaroo.com/i/s1e1l2fzoQ7X
>>340417567
Do you have brain damage? The post you were responding to was saying you can't say X acting is better than Y acting if you don't speak both languages. You then responded with "yea but I know Y is shit because I speak Y".
>>340399237
Aoi is so cute and talented.
>>340417851
no one gives a shit about dubs anyway I bet next to no one would care if they just stopped dubbing anything anime related completely to be honest other than only the most biggest of normal fags
>>340418561
stupid anime poster
>>340418739
CAN'T handle the truth
>>340399237
Why? She's a slut. She's had sex with men and isn't married. She's dirt, she'll be 30 and still on the shelf. Genetic dead waste.
>>340417802
>Live action films are not comparable to animated works
The fuck are you even talking about retard?
>>340419012
Exactly what I said, do I need to exhaustively spell it out for you or can I trust you to attempt to consider what major difference might be present between voice acting and live action?
