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Vanilla was objectively shit
Apologize.
>>340380405
didnt they officially meet up with blizzard? what happened with that?
Yes please apologize for spamming this thread.
>>340380515
Blizzard killed them and ate the corpses
>>340380515
they will announce the recap in some days but i dont think they are going to do shit
Anyone know anything yet?
>>340380405
Why? Illegal server deserved to be shut down. Wasn't even 100% Blizzlike.
>>340380454
>objectively
And that's where your opinion gets thrown out the window.
>>340380596
Facts aren't opinions
>>340380515
Blizzard will announce legacy servers at the next blizzcon.
>>340380405
For what?
>>340380595
Correct, it was better
WHAT? NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY
>>340380771
>Correct, it was better
It wasn't vanilla.
>>340380642
It is until you can point out the objectivity, hence why it's nothing but an opinion and it also becomes useless.
>>340380515
the boys who did the nost servers went back to paris and just said well talk about it later
something happened behind those doors
and theyre on some kind of NDA probably
>>340380515
yeah, they had a meeting a few days ago. Maybe Sunday?
They said they'd be releasing more info about it this week (I'd imagine tomorrow'ish) as they'd all traveled from various areas and wanted to rest and compile shit together.
They met for like 5 hours with Morhaime and some devs, gave a presentation of some sort and discussed shit. That's all just from their small post on their facebook and twitter saying more soon to come.
I imagine it's similar to the Kern/morhaime meeting, where there isn't a yes/no immediately but surprising how much blizz was aware of legacy server potential and private server stuff. According to Kern re: his meeting, there were technical hurdles to overcome on Blizzard's end but they were aware of the demand and had been crunching numbers.
So it's "soon" as for more info. If i had to guess, if it WAS going to happen, it would be announced at blizzcon - as anything soon would be potentially cutting into their Legion hype. Then again offering legacy servers as a perk for buying/subbing to Legion could be a possibility as well for bigger numbers, but I still think due to time they'd need to work on shit and not wanting to cuck Legion, it would be at blizzcon (or not at all).
Then again I am mostly dumb and am only casually knowledgeable about all of this.
>>340380856
Ah so if it doesn't have tuesday maintenance, huge levels of lag and constant server crashes it's not vanilla?
Apologize.
Honestly, I just hope this fuccboi gets fired and they get a lead dev who actually listens and tries to fix live WOW.
What we need back is
>world epics that are actaully good
>stat and spec diversity
>profession and world drop economy
>LFR, heroic and mythic removed
>More dungeons, better dungeons, more questlines
What I miss the most from nost is just being able to log in and do shit.
>>340380515
The Nostalrius team was arrested because of all of the illegal stuff they've been doing.
>>340381658
Your ideas are horrible
>>340381658
>stat and spec diversity
its funny how mastery works
its one stat that everyone basically has
but they all give you different bonuses depending on your specialization
>>340380468
I miss super-jumping everywhere. Luckily Saints Row 4 scratched that itch.
>>340380405
Sorry that you are a thing nostalcucks
>>340381875
Mastery was a good idea on paper, but it eventually turned into a DPS stat.
If there were different kinds of mastery that gave you better slows/CC, faster casts, longer lasting buffs, better passive/active mitigation, ect, the game could be so much more, but fuck it, burst burst burst, DPS DPS DPS, even choosing gear with agi, stamina, and attack power in vanilla gave me a reason to think, hell I just stacked stamina on my rogue after a certain point of mastering stunlock because attack power was pointless when you evic for 2k
>>340381658
>heroic and mythic removed
Yeah, you're a retard
>>340382116
That's because you're talking in terms of PVP which is utterly fucking broken in Vanilla
>>340381832
t. mythic raider
Just because mythic raiding exists, doesn't mean everyone needs to be a poopsocking/gold whore to enjoy good content.
I still find it ironic that after Naxx they said they would stop designing content for the 2% of top end raiders, yet thats all they've been doing since mid-wrath, with faceroll tourist modes.
>>340382116
they did something with arcane mages got some kind of bonus where they were forced to watch their mana bars to get a damage bonus
which i thought was still unique for the class
while others simply just got a generic damage increase
i guess they failed to flesh out the idea of mastery for the other classes without complicating stuff too much
Still waiting for them to report back on what happened at their "meeting"
>>340382235
What point does redoing the same dungeon you've already grinded for weeks have? Why can't we use all that dev time on more dungeons/bosses?
>>340382401
Thats a DPS thing though.
Really though, mastery has for the most part just been a DPS stat, but with some sort of gimmick
>>340381658
It's impossible to fix wow, they've gone way too far down the rabbit hole. They pandered to the "I want to be THE guy", forum-yelling blizzdrones for too long for them to change anything without severe wailing coming back at them.
>>340381658
World epics were never good, just niche at best.
What class/race is everyone playing when the jew hawks at Blizz eventually decide to make legacy servers?
Dwarf paladin here
>>340382607
>Blinkstrike
>Teebu's
>>340381686
It shouldn't be illegal if I like it.
>>340382616
undead rogue
>>340382616
Gnome Mage.
Vanilla is KING fuck that haters
>>340382607
They were usually better then random "everyone gets one" shit.
In fact, you had to work your ass off to get a blue in vanilla, they weren't even good half of the time, just serviceable.
>>340382450
dude you cant just say to remove heroic.
These are wow fanboys. they cant think a second step ahead. You have to tell them how the game would still be good even without heroic. like how normals would be actually fun and hard or something.
>>340382354
So? The rewards you get are absolutely horrific, particularly for LFR
Even gear in the previous tier of raiding beats it
>>340382616
Swing, swing, swing, swing, SoC procced woooooooooooooooooo swing, swing. Or just be a buff bot. Remember, blessings were 10 minutes long in vanilla.
>>340382616
Human warrior
For the Alliance
>>340382528
well yes of course the reward is dps
id like to think that mastery is a part that was pruned off the old talent tree where certain choices on the tree only gave +% of each rank
and whatever is left is translated into something more situational into the new talent tree
>>340382816
Oh I get ya
Instead they should make heroic heroic dungeons, they're dungeons so hard, they don't have a normal mode, and are huge and massive, they're so heroic you can play through them for hours and still not beat them
>>340382607
skullflame shield a world epic from vanilla was used by paladins for soloing even in tbc.
>>340382616
dwarf priest
because i'll actually be useful with my Fear Ward
>>340382616
Orc Warlock, Troll Rogue, or Dwarf Priest
>>340382704
>These two statistical outliers prove me right!
World epics were a stop-gap they're not supposed to be good for too long. The only really great world epics were Nightfall (made by players though), Glowing Brightwood Staff, Krol Blade and Staff of Jordan. Everything else was shitty crap
I would like to see some more world epics though. They just removed them and I agree it sucks. There was something special about finding one
>>340383032
Yeah... I guess there were a few world epics that were worth one's time actually. Still by far and away the majority were bad.
The rule of thumb for world epics in vanilla was:
>If it fills a weapon slot keep it
>If it's anything else sell it
>>340382616
human paladin. and nelf hunter.
nelf hunter account got banned because someone hacked it or somthing and i had like 2k worth of stuff in my bank waiting for aq to release.
human paladin had skullflame shield and destiny that i used to level up with. i hit 60 then took a week break and came back and nost was shut down. very sad.
>>340383020
worst part about this post is i cant tell if you seriously think you are clever or just pretending to be a retard pretending hes clever.
>>340383153
>Krol blade
>Good
Hahahahahaha.
>>340382116
>Says a bucnh of retarded shit that makes no sense
>Turns out he's a pvp shitter.
Dude let it go not even Blizzard cares about your side game any more.
>>340383328
I bet you think this weapon sucks too, just because Dark Edge of Insanity existed.
>>340382616
orc shaman and hunter which is for alternate professions
and orc warrior and human/orc rogue because i really prefer their racials compared to the other races
i also like orc women
>>340383328
It was very desired for many pre-raid Rogues because of the 2.80 speed
>>340383328
>I didn't actually play vanilla: The post
nostalrius devs were sent home with blizzard gift bags and a pat on the back. nothing came out of the meeting
>Nost meet with Blizzard
>Jay Wilson "quits"
Thanks boys
>>340380454
You are objectively shit.
and you are also gay.
So many specs that were just worthless though. Arcane Mage, Enhancement Shaman (lel no stormstrike damage), Prot Paladin, Sub Rogue, BM/Survival Hunter, Prot Warrior, Destro Lock. Balance/Feral Druid. Is this true vanilla or are they bending the rules?
>>340383351
But im talking PVE.
I used to love CCing shit into oblivion as a frost mage in 10 man dungeons, 5 man after the nerf, hell even when I was POM pyro for fun I still would sometimes POM to insta sheep a stray patrol, even on my rogue I would stunlock that one fuck the healer would always somehow aggro in a PUG
DPS is fucking boring, always has been ,its why I started playing tank after BC, and they even made tanking fucking faceroll boring
>Log into vanilla WoW
>All my attacks miss
>All +hit or spell pen gear requires level 60
>Talents don't change play style
>Talents are either mildly useful or terrible so everyone ends up with the same build
>Quest requires me to go to Ratchet then talk to someone in Undercity then talk to someone in Ratchet then talk to someone in Ashenvale then talk to someone in Ratchet then talk to a guy again in Undercity
>Travel speed extremely slow
>Mobs have slow respawn rates and low quest item drop rates
>Most dungeons are uninspired caves
>Mana costs of high level spells are so high healers cannot use them
>Gear is often bloated with useless stats for the only classes that can use an item
>PVP so broken the meta is defined by gimmick items/engineering
>PVE mobs barely do anything other than autoattack
>Log out of vanilla WoW
![9cbe13c2b5[1].png](https://i.imgur.com/2ZeORVL.png "9cbe13c2b5[1].png")
>>340383459
>>340383405
>>340383554
>Using krol blade as prebis
Found the bads.
>that feel when you were a ballin' SPriest with Anathema during Vanilla
>that feel when you'll never be 16 and playing TBC for the first time again
>that feel when you cannot even discuss when the game was good anymore because sixteen year olds shitpost all throughout every thread
>>340383632
>enhance
>worthless
nig ill 1 shot you with my sulfuras windfury procs BITTCH NIQQA
>>340383632
you never played vanilla did you?
different specs were used for different roles in the game. not everything in vanilla was about raiding.
>>340383632
Vanilla had it's flaws, but overall it was the best bar none.
>>340380468
>This and all the great dead NCSoft games will never be sold because if they were reopened and made a profit then NCSoft would lose face
I hate NCSoft
>>340383560
If Blizzard wants to do this thing, they want to announce it themselves after they've gone over their options
You can't expect Nostalrius to come back and straight away have a yes / no answer
These things take time and the fact they even met them and flew them out, and spent 5 hours in a meeting composed of Morhaime, some WoW devs, and the global community managers only speaks to great potential
Don't be impatient anon give it some time
>>340383713
We're talking about useful world epics anon not what's pre BiS.
If you have both Dal'Rends then obviously use those. But for some people one or both wouldn't drop and they'd use Krol Blade instead
>>340380515
Blizzard threatened to destroy them
Not only were they forced to agree to a NDA about the source code,
but they were also forced to NDA about the NDA
Any violation and they'd see prison time since annoucing that Blizzard NDA'd them would result in negative business to Blizzard as a result of their illegal actions.
>>340383663
You are saying that mastery a stat available to dps roles shouldn't increase dps.
Do you understand at best you created a dead stat no one wants at worst you have just killed every spec with a non dps mastery.
I'm sorry people only bother to sheep stuff now in raids or mythic dungeons but its not worth breaking the game over.
>>340383728
What about the other 80% of the time when windfury doesn't chain proc itself and you just get kited to oblivion?
>>340383786
I did play vanilla. And I remember all those specs being terrible in PvP and PvE. Raiding through AQ and was Warlord on my Mage. You'd only put in around 15 points in each of those specs just to get that one mid tier talent. You'd never blow 31 points unless you just wanted to die all the time and do meaningless damage.
>>340383713
Also that dropped FROM a raid, so
>>340383716
>because sixteen year olds shitpost all throughout every thread
more like namefag attentionwhores
every time i stop by the general on /vg/ its 80% guild/server drama and attentionwhoring
the 20% were actually very helpful enough to answer most of my questions though
>>340382704
Also
>Warden Staff
>Eye of Flame
>Edgemaster's Handguards
>>340384029
>not getting reduced ghost wolf cast time
>not using frost shock
did you even know world of warcraft was a video game at the time during classic?
>>340383991
>Not only were they forced to agree to a NDA about the source code,
Those fucking rats
>he still plays wow trying to relive the good old days
let it go my friends
>>340383632
>Pom Pyro
>bad
>2h windfury
>bad
>blessing of kings reckbomb
>bad
>sub
debatable
>unstoppable brokenpaw
>bad
>Best end game stat scaling hunter
>bad
>prot warrior
Ok I'll give you this one
>Destro
And this one
>balance aura
>bad
>feral auras and buffs and int bonus
>bad
Of course, you're just rambling off shit you've probably read on reddit or MMO champs god awful forums, each class had a kit, they could perform those kits regardless of spec, some specs were retarded agreed, like deep prot due to a lack of defensive advantages and the fact that you needed rage generation, not rage dumps as protection, but there were more specs for players to play and try out then the forced cookie cutter we have now.
>TFW you will never experience SL/SL ever again.
>>340383713
But that is from a raid and has nearly identical stats to krol blade unless you have both, which was an absolute bitch to get.
>>340383716
>Anathema
that staff was so cool. muh dick
>>340384063
I meant on /v/, not /vg/.
/vg/ is notoriously bad for any game, not even just WoW.I do fully agree with you but I'd say the shit was more 98% overall.
>>340384180
inorite?
preach it brother
How come nost was shut down and Kronos wasnt when they are the same thing? How does that work?
>>340381572
If it's still Peer to peer it's fucking SHIT
>>340384050
Nobody considered upper blackrock spire a raid on any server I played on, even though it required 10 people in a raid group. Was known as a 10 man dungeon lol
>>340384164
Get good
>>340384145
Why do you think they went from "We'll give the source code away!"
to "..actually, we wont..."
Why do you think NO ONE EVER releases their WoW private server source code?
>>340383786
'In vanilla all I ever did was level my undead rogue to 30 before I got bored now when I'm posting on /v/ I can only remember levelling ergo that must be the good part of vanilla'
The post based on the book of the film.
Raiding was everything in vanilla even more so then now you couldn't even pvp without raiding.
Not to mention most of the specs that guy mentioned were objectively worthless.
>>340384115
Have fun being a warrior who is worse in literally every way while praying for the stars to align
>>340383589
Top kek, I didn't even think of this. Obviously there probably wasn't a correlation, but the timing is brilliant.
>>340384268
It was itterally a raid
It was a 15 man, later nerfed to 10 man raid
The quests you got for it was listed as (raid) which ment you could complete them in a raid group.
>>340384384
When did warriors ever have frost shock?
>>340384440
Stop replying to him
Just stop communicating with Rogue mains full stop tbqh
>>340384210
hah
i was being kind when i said 20%
i really appreciated the leveling tips they gave me as warrior
too bad i havent gotten the chance to use them as much because i only got to 19 before nost died
i was really enjoying slow leveling pace because it got me a decent amount of gold along the way
>>340383632
>BM hunter was bad in vanilla
U WOT M8TY
>>340384513
hes trolling, or never played classic both is bad
>>340380468
literally had to double take cause I thought the guy in the front was crazy diamond
>>340383632
Marshall ranked Survival Hunter here. That's a fucking lie.
Survival was the most viable spec for well geared hunters.
I always laugh at obvious wrath babbies who post that survival as a spec was bad, despite the fact that it was best overall damage after you had AQ40 gear thanks to the stam/agility bonus that would boost you past trueshot aura range (And you could still get trueshot aura from another, less geared hunter)
>>340383632
Destruction was a good talent tree for Warlocks if taken with talents from other trees like Demo / Affli
SM / RUIN for example
>>340384162
No need to get angry. Was just stating my opinion and my experiences. They all had a kit but any one of those specs is inferior to others imo. Half those you mentioned are just waiting on procs to do their damage anyway which isn't fun.
I had a blast in vanilla, some of my best memories and friends were made there.
>>340383786
True but Prot Paladin was flat out useless in ANY situation
Except maybe dancing at stables as a distraction
>>340384727
>things no one cares about anymore
>>340382616
Undead mage or warlock.
>>340383632
>Prot Warrior the best tank in the game is a bad spec
Whaaaat?
>Prot Paladin the best AoE tank in the game for 5 mans and trash pulls is a bad spec
Whaaaaaaaat? No, wait. Sorry. They only did that in TBC
Why do rogues get so much hate? They are the perfect class.
>No buffing
>No ressing
>Not expected to play a certain roll and bullied over your choice not to. (Fury warrior, Feral druid etc.)
>Can stealth and choose what/when to attack or avoid. Every fight is on your terms.
>Uses energy, the best system in the game
>King of world pvp
>Incredible DPS
Why would you NOT roll a rogue?
>>340384516
I never played with /vg/ when I was fucking around on private servers because I'm at least ten years older than the average /vg/ poster and the shitflinging + rampant stupidity is appalling. However, I did meet two cool cats during my short time on Nos but I never bothered with any /vg/ guilds for any of the server.
>>340381039
>runescape has had more players on their old school servers than rs3
>even one of the jagex employees posted on the petition and urged blizzard to do it as it was the best decision that jagex made financially
>i can relive the glory days of mmos except theyre funded and maintained by the companies themselves
>>340384880
Shield Slam did absolutely nothing. An Arms warrior could out threat a Prot warrior just by getting 15 points in Prot for the increased threat.
Prot Paladins were poop for anything but Stratholme and Scholo.
>>340384778
Except most of those classes weren't based around doing burst damage, if they wanted to be a rogue, they'd play a rogue.
Mages were about controlling your enemies and going ham
Paladins were about never dying, like ever, unless outnumbered, and then bubblehearthing when ganked
And vanilla WOW, getting big crits and big procs was half the fun, DPS meters are fucking boring and always have been, being able to burst or CC on demand in certain situations was more useful then raw DPS on fights such as Razorgore for example
>>340384919
i prefer mages and shamans for alts because they have better means of mobility
>>340384919
>no ressing
>not being engy with random res item
it's like you want to be useless if your raid ever wipes and you live.
>>340384919
>King of world pvp
Anon I'm sorry ganking lowbie clothies is all you have but maybe it's time to let go.
Also how does it feel knowing you're going to be sat for Havoc DH in 2 months?
Am I the only one who hate how they made buffs nowadays? Back in the day buffs were unique...
>>340384919
Scumbags.
I hope Demon Hunters destroy them for all their years of abuse in Legion.
>>340384880
Deep prot was bad, as someone who raided as a warrior since vanilla, its true, you needed fury and arms for rage gen and mobility more then the shit from deep prot, most things you'd be tanking were immune to improved shield bash for example
>>340384919
>Single target DPS, NO AOE WHATSOEVER
>No ranged option
>Easily kited
>Prey to Mages and Hunters
>Shitty 15 energy tick in vanilla
>Simple as fuck rotation, boring
This is coming from a guy who lpayed Rogue for years btw. I'm going to try something else in Vanilla when it launches
>>340385043
Shield Slam wasn't the prot Warrior's threat builder in vanilla, sunder armour was. SS just maintained it. Prot Warriors were not crap anon
>>340384919
>rogue
>top vanilla pvp class
Nah, son.I really miss wPvP in Hellfire during BC with my 49 rogue.
>>340384880
from my experience rage translated into more threat
and the protection tree had barely anything to help your lack of resources to maintain threat
>>340385302
Link me a prot build then
http://db.vanillagaming.org/?talent#L
>>340380405
I'm sorry Blizzard won't see the demand for legacy as the ultimate opportunity to reboot WoW without the fucknuts currently in charge of it.
I'm sorry Blizzard is amazingly arrogant about this game that they seemed to be getting better about a few years ago, but now they've turned it into a festering pile of shit.
>>340385054
I never said mages were bad. My Warlord character was an "elemental" Mage. Double ice block and shatter while using mainly fire spells. Was fun as fuck.
Paladins were just annoying until one came at you with a god damn Naxx weapon and 2 shot you with a SoC proc.
All I remember of Razorgore was lots and lots of kiting. I was a tank so I just picked up the adds.
Anyway I'd probably check out a vanilla server if they were ever official but I'd never play one long term. I just don't think my nostalgia would hold up.
>>340385162
Who the fuck plays world of warcraft past wrath?
>>340385256
>No AoE WHATSOEVERBladeflurry baby
>Shitty 15 energy tick in vanilla
Energy tick was 20 energy every 2 seconds
>Simple as fuck rotation, boring
Not an argument.
Everything else is true though, even the best class has weaknesses.
>>340385278
Talking about ganking and wpvp.Frost magewas forever #1 PvP class in duels/battleground
>>340385302
Mortal Strike and heroic strike were the rage dumps. Never bothered with Fury.
>>340385450
>Blizzard won't see the demand for legacy
They've actually commented on legacy servers recently (last several months) butSURPRISE SURPRISEtheir version is basically a "what options were available during Wrath" server which isn't what we wanted at all.
So of course, they completely miss the point entirely out of their hubris.
>>340385573
Still was a shitty tick rate and BF isn't a real AoE it had a 2 min CD
>>340385573
IIRC, a good FMage would still fuck up a good Rogue universally (yes, including ganking/wPvP).
I just want to do dire maul/brd/ubrs/stratholme again and get dem items and prep for bwl and core.
>>340384919
I agree senpai.
>>340385691
being able to open with 20 extra energy by timing it right was pretty comfy
>>340385737
I really wish they would have kept making good dungeons.
If there is one bad thing about BCi s that they made dungeons awful.
>>340385691
My point was that it did have an aoe ability, even if it was 1 ability you could use once every 2 minutes
>>340385709
Frostmages can't find scissors, because scissors are invisible.
>>340385874
Even roguecraft's parody of balance was better then anything we've had since vanilla.
>>340383943
>ywn play prime Guild Wars again
fuck this gay earth
9 Affliction lock/1 Shadow Priest Warsong Gulch. If the death coils didn't kill you the dots would. So scary.
>>340385850
>brd was the height of dungeon design
fucking kill yourself
t. pugs
>>340385874
>Frostmages can't find scissors, because scissors are invisible
You say that as if Frost Mages had no way of forcing a Rogue out of invisibility.
>>340386016
Don't worry bro, we got a new UI to go with your new dungeons.
>DPS class utility in vanilla by rank
Warlock:
>Health stone, soul stone, summon, pet charm, stamina buff, fear, best DPS in the game
Mage:
>CC, control, food vendor, portals, excellent DPS
Hunter:
>Traps, kiting, pet off-tank if SHTF, good DPS
Rogue:
>uhh sap oh shit he's dead lul, good sustained DPS though
Holy shit Rogues. Even a shadow Priest can restore mana to the group, off-heal, emergency PW:S and rez. The fuck? Rogues are literally shit
>>340385874
You also have to spec for Blade Flurry
>>340386071
On one hand Why change the character pane I mean there's no reason to do it, hell you can set the existing pane up to look basically like that now if you want.
If they were afraid casusals would get confused it could just be the default not the only choice.
On the other hand what's the point of showing stats that literally do nothing for your character at the end of the day?
>>340386071
Beyond parody
>>340383940
Nope
TBC is objectively the best.
>>340386071
I take it private servers are the only experience you have with brd.
pservers are mostly populated by WoW veterans that know exactly what the fuck they're doing.
This wasn't the case in vanilla. Vanilla brd was dante's seventh circle of hell.
>>340386391
I agree
I'd like a vanilla server, but I'd love a TBC one
>>340386240
>Warlock
>Best DPS in the game
>In fucking vanilla.
Why go on the internet and tell lies bro. Your job is to put up CoE so the mages can be top dps then shadowbolt in the corner and not die like a good healthstone bot.
>>340386443
Warlocks were the best DPS in the game anon, what the fuck? They could hit insane numbers
>>340386240
>best DPS in the game
>>340386240
Rogues have on demand kicks with a 10 sec cooldown and had near perfect accuracy compared to most other interrupts in the game.
Also stunlock and off tanking with evasion was useful in 5 mans.
And they had the best sustained DPS in the game for bosses in raids due to them having the only real aggro dump next to hunters.
>>340386534
But they were, why are you memeing on me?
>>340386282
>On the other hand what's the point of showing stats that literally do nothing for your character at the end of the day?
Those stats used to do something, no matter how small.
>Agi gave a bit of crit and dodge
>Intellect gave sp mana and spell crit
>>340386026
Any rogue that tried to gank a mage deserves death. Best way to gank mage would be ambush + Backstab them when they are fighting a mob.
>>340386240
>Hunter dps is good
>Shadow priests restore mana
You know we're talking about vanilla and not TBC right?
>>340386513
Maybe in naxx
>>340386435
Same, every spec had some use in the game and the raid Design and heroics were top tier
>>340386637
>Maybe in naxx
They were #1 from MC onwards
>>340386513
The threat they generated was infuckingsane though so you'd generally apply dots and cast a couple shadow bolts then wand for a few minutes.
>>340386513
Are you trolling? Because you have a funny way of writing mage otherwise.
Mages were actually hands down the best dps spec in the game. Any damage locks could potentially do was shit on by 1. Not being able to dot up because god help you if you dropped sunder with a corruption and 2. Having to spec into all the utility shit.
>>340386414
Actually I ran BRD emp in vanilla for months to get HoJ
It isn't as bad as you would think, the only shitty part was if you had to kick someone for being bad, otherwise people were generally good about following the leader, especially considering there was no VOIP and half the fucking people spoke in that awful leet shit.
>>340386240
>Warlocks
>seems like every new expansion past Wrath, the devs redesign the class mechanics
>just when I'm getting the hang of things they change it again
I just want to throw dots on people and not have to channel a bit purple "come kill me" beam in order to do damage
>>340386435
TheBurningCrusade should come out this summer.
>>340386601
>state wrong claim
>anyone who doesn't agree with my false statement is "memeing"
Not surprising. I can only assume that you're underage by your vernacular and you blindly believe what anyone tells you.Polite sage.
>>340386637
Warlocks got 'worse' the longer Vanilla went on. By the time Naxx hit, it was all about dem Fury Warriors and Fire Mages.
>>340386724
>I only played private servers!
What is a debuff limit?
What is Spell hit?
>>340386608
The first and last time you ever wore gear with an off class primary stat was when you got a lucky blue to replace something you got ten levels ago while you were levelling up.
Lets not try and pretend like there were rogues running around in AQ40 with int leather on or anything like that.
>>340381658
LFR, heroic and mythic are just number tweaks. They don't take long to create. Removing them wouldn't magically make blizzard create more content anyway. I wouldnt like an actual profession economy but it would be owned by Chinese gold farmers.
I would like professions to create great soul or account bound items though. For example, you can use soulbound daily crafting mats like the wod mats to craft tradable pieces equal to the current normal raid level or account bound heroic level gear. That way you wouldn't be able to gear a toon in full heroic gear in a week using 10 characters' worth of garrison mats or whatever welfare system Blizzard comes up with but you would have an advantage in the market by selling your spare raw mats
>>340386875
But I'm not wrong what the fuck
>>340386896
That's why you had to assign Warlocks to a spec
You had one or two locks who were SM / Ruin, one for each curse required, and any others were DS / Ruin to avoid a debuff slot being taken up
>>340386741
Also there was no LFD tool, comparing LFD pugs to finding your own group back then, most of your group would be guildies, or a PUG considging of friends/guildies who filled slots, honestly I enjoyed meeting new people in PUGs, its how good guilds recruited too.
>Casual weekend MC run
>Oh hey, this warlock is pretty good about banishing adds
Hell I didn't have a guild for Wrath due to work but I found a guild that brought me along for late night run to ony and eventually I became a raid lead
Honestly I remember the fond memories of playing with playing and forming friendships more than anything else. A new vanilla server would never be able to recreate that feeling for me.
>>340386875
When you scale infinitely with crit, eventually nothing can stop your dps.
>>340387148
Sure which is why those two were at the top of the charts. IIRC, any competent Fury Warrior would automatically be granted top slot and the second slot was generally a Fire Mage. Fury Warriors started competing for top with AQ gear.
>>340387268
They were good burst, but they were awful DPS compared to rogues due to threat limitations.
However rogues were harder get full DPS out of compared to warriors.
It's amazing how many people play/want vanilla WoW just to fucking raid. It boggles the mind.
>>340383680
I loved the slow exploration quests
I'm a lore fag and massive autist but that kind of stuff makes me very comfy.
Slow movement speed is only true if you don't use flight masters in which case you're exploring a new area. The game world is HUGE and flying around at over 400 normal movement speed makes it feel like it's less than 25% of what it really is horizontally. and like 1% vertically
You're right about all the other points though
>>340387552
What do you think they do in the current content? Or every expansion for that matter
>>340387552
Vanilla is the best time to raid though.
If I play WoD, I can get three characters to 100 in a week, and then if I want to raid with them, they are all doing the exact same raid, forever.
If I play Vanilla I can get three 60s, but its going to take some serious time, so there will be gaps between the content all three are doing. So I might be running AQ on one, BWL on another, and pugging MC/ZG on the last. There is simply so much more variety that you can raid vanilla content which is never obsolete for ages and not get bored (except for MC, fuck that place).
>>340380881
Vanilla is axiomatically objectively shit
>>340387687
Yeah but it's not like going back makes it better by much. It only gets easier since you already know what to do, and your guild will also be empowered with knowledge.
It's no different than say, going back to play Halo 1 co-op or some shit. Nostalgic fun? Uh sure I guess. But how can you play a whole year just for Vanilla raiding?
At least with world pvp/questing/etc you are doing something the current WoW can't offer. No matter how much you wanna get 1000+ people to fight at TM/SS it's not possible unless it's on Nostalrius and the like.
>>340388000
That doesn't make it better, it just means you're forced to wait. That's no different than guys who play SRPGs and claim one is better than the others cause you can't skip the fight animation thereby prolonging your game play.
Don't get me wrong, there's still merit to Vanilla raiding over current WoW raiding, but using up more time isn't one of them. That's just the logic of someone without proper time management and is addicted to playing the same co-op puzzle dungeons over and over and over but doesn't know how to use self control to avoid burning out.
>>340380515
Blizzard probably didn't talk to them but decided to scare the shit out of them and threaten send them to 20 years of anal stretching in American Federal prison if they ever try again or release the source code.
As for why wouldn't Blizzard send them in the first place? Well, it's cheaper this way and Blizzard would catch a lot of flack if they did send them to poundland.
>>340382616
Orc/Shaman - Vanilla enhancement was god-tier. being able to hit 4 times in a row (chance for all 4 hits to crit) was hilarious OP.
Undead/ShadowPriest - end game gear = unstoppable
>>340382616
Melee Survival Hunter. literally killed everyone hand 2 hand.
>>340388346
>Forced to wait
You weren't forced to do a fucking thing, the raids where there, it was up to you to beat them.
God damn, yes I am mad, I would rather have challenging raids with new content opened after each boss, then fucking repetitive tourist modes before I could experience 'the real thing'
>>340388346
It's not that you're using more time. It's that you have more options.
Content is never irrelevant in Vanilla, so you're never pidgeon holed into doing the same thing over and over.
Time is hardly a factor as long as you're running with competent groups.
>>340388547
>Melee Survival Hunter. literally killed everyone hand 2 hand.
>>340388547
Ditto. People never understood why the hunter was running at them and not shooting until it was too late
>>340388465
>not being a nelf priest and starsharding everything to death because you can
>>340388547
survival were fucking ASSHOLES in vanilla. especially before they patched their uber bleed out.
>>340389086
>>not being a nelf priest and starsharding everything to death because you can
>not going undead to be immune to fear and eating people after owning them.
>>340388557
Then why would it take you time? You already know how to beat it, everyone on your raid knows how to beat it. All the resources are there, nothing is left to figure out. There's not even a slight chance for anyone to be misinformed about anything unlike the past when retarded casuals argued their shitty OC Donutsteel build is way better.
What can possibly hinder you?
>>340388606
Tell me then, when you hit BWL what reason will you have for doing UBRS? When you hit AQ40 what reason will you have for MC and Onyxia? When you do Naxx why would you ever do BWL?
It's still the same thing. Is there more content to do at the same time? Sure why not it's not as linear at certain stages, but only certain stages and it means jack shit.
Time is a factor, because even if you're competent without the right drops you're still stuck farming it. Otherwise, people would just skip to Naxx.
Nothing changes the fact that you're still doing the same shit over and over with mobs that move in the exact same pattern every time. About the only thing that would ever be dynamic is whether or not the other faction is camping the raid entrance looking to whoop your ass.
>>340389180
>eating people after owning them.
>>340389189
>What reason would you be doign UBRS
Fill slots you might not have filled yet
>AQ
Fill slots
>Naxx
Fill slots.
You know just because you were part way into BWL doesn't mean diddly if bosses only dropped 3 items for 40 people? Every boss you killed every week was more chance for loot, and that loot didn't even need to be for you, if your guild needed to gear some newbros up that was the way to do it.
In modern WOW the only reason ever to go back to highmaul was just to get your ring, and even then you did it with LFR because no one would pug you without it.
>>340389180
>eating corpses without being honorable undead warrior
Shame on you, family-guy
>>340389109
>>340389109
>Tauren Hunter with rare spawn as pet
>Use a 2h axe with a rifle that uses mithril slugs or thorium depending on what fucking level I was
>Remember inna AV match had a rare oppritunity to 1v1 a warrior
>He actually stops and starts backing up with I unsheath my axe and start running at him while my little lion bro sprints ahead
>Raptor+Wingclip
>Wingclip procs
>Kitty is eating dat ass
>Jump back and launch a few salvos plus a bleeder
>pop Deterrence
>Counterattack
>Step back just within range attack and plug him a few more times, reapply bleeds
>Whack him upside the head summore because more health and crit chances as survival
>He tries to run
>Hfw Wyvern sting
When i 1v1 a warrior and won, I no longer understood fear
>>340388385
are people really stupid enough to think they could have been arrested? Or are they pretending to be dumb? I keep seeing this repeated over and over.
IP infringement (assuming that's what they would be going for) is a civil case. That doesn't equal "pound town". If people are meme'ing because of the valve thing awhile back, that dude hacked into their servers - making it a criminal act.
Lawsuits would have possible. Arrests would not have been a real thing. You guys are so weird.
>>340389189
You already know how to beat it, why aren't you world firsting mythic raids?
Its not about just "doing the raid" its about execution.
If anything modern WOW is worse in this regaurd in every way thanks to LFR and normal tier, you don't even need to try in those modes.
In reality, what the fuck is the point of gear when the ilvl is reset every patch, all your progress is made moot by welfare gear that is on par, if not better then what you've been working for, and next expansion you can just faceroll heroic/mythic mode solo anyway?
>>340389871
>tauren hunter
I like your class/race choice. There is just that something in being huge bull with a rifle.
>>340390164
I used to run around goldshire in that floppy hat from that jungle region, blue overalls, a pitchfork, and a double barrel. would take over that little farm and scream at low levels. Then lead their lvl 60s on a wild cow chase while killing some of them
>>340382616
Orc Sham or Human Pal, depending on which faction I go.
OR
Orc hunter or dorf hunter.
Whats the point of gear when an ilvl 600 mage plays exactly the same at ilvl 700?
so why did they go so crazy with the numbers after wrath?
I liked having a 40-50k hp tank, now I see people with well over 2 mil HP.
Big numbers don't mean shit when everything is big.
>>340382616
Gnome warlock like I played back in 2004 - 2012
I loved having instant raid slots. I was Destruction all through Vanilla and Cataclysm. I wonder how the spec is nowadays
>>340390581
Who gives a shit? For me it just meant I could do the raid content of the past expansions to farm transmogs and other stuff.
>>340382616
Dwarf Hunter/Pally or maybe Human Pally, can't decide.Guess I'll just keep playing muh private until then.
>>340382616
either orc warlock or tauren druid
>>340390558
What? Your stat priority and gameplay changes completely once you have 4p and your class trinket. Frost in particular starts weaving Ice Lance a lot more, Arcane Mage's priority is flipped around completely once you get Prophecy of Fear, and once you hit ~720 you can actually spec Fire and do decent DPS.
>>340390581
Because kids like big numbers.
>>340382616
troll sham. will level enh, but switch to resto for pve and ele for pvp.
I hope I run into my nostalrius guild mates sometime, somewhere. this was the last time I ever saw my GM the day the server went down. RIP nost
>>340382616
Human or Night Elf warrior.
The memories are still fresh in my mind.
>>340385156
>RAIDS
HAHAHAHAHAHA
Sinister strike, eviscerate, cheap shot, backstab!
Slice and dice, ambush, rupture, blind!
Sinister strike, eviscerate, cheap shot, backstab,
Gank you, thank you, now I outrank you!
>>340383632
Arcane Mage was good for PvP, Prot Pally was excellent for dungeons, BM Hunter is amazing, Prot Warrior again excellent for dungeons, All druids are viable, etc. Not all specs were equal but they fucking had their place.
>When Nost fanboys are still butthurt
>>340385573
>Who the fuck plays world of warcraft past wrath?
I tried to, but they buffed clothfags and nerfed rouge to death.
>>340390780
>I can't have a unfair advantage to other classes anymore, a-blo-blo-blo
>Tfw was a full resto threat-talents-and-all tauren in a pretty teal dress
>Tfw will never be bullied ever again
>>340383632
this was never fixed in any iteration of WoW though. It's always been an unbalanced fuckfest
>>340390581
They went from roughly doubling (maybe a bit more) stats with each expansion to making 10x jumps. Exponential growth up the ass. Stat squish did literally nothing, maybe other than preventing current hp to be 10m instead of 2m
>>340390861
>What's a ROGUE
The whole point of this class was to be dirty and unfair.
I bet you fucking roll hunter.
>>340380405
>Apologize
for what you autist
>>340391034
I can tell you I never rolled one, but yeah, you got your cloak of shadows, your vanish, stealth and get to pick and choose fights, not like in Vanilla when you could oneshot clothies and win fights naked
>>340384640
No one gives a shit, faggot.
>>340390325
Noice
>>340381572
b-but it's still up?
>>340390358
>Lndi memes are outside /krog/
wew
>>340391117
>responding two hours later to say nobody gives a shit
You got him, newfriend!ex dee
>>340391092
Wohoo i can vanish a dozen times. But can't kill anything that should be squishy as fuck. Also all those detects and aoes make it fucking hard to sneak up on a target. So unless you are some uber that still knows his rogue shit and can adept to every nerf blizzard brings to the table, you will have a hard time in PvP. Oh and let's not forget that world pvp is dead since everyone is just flying from a to b and dreanor has zero chokepoints where real fights could happen.
who /hadfunandmadefriends/ here
>>340390558
It really doesn't, because haste.
Trinkets and tier sets change your gameplay.
Gear represents character progression and allows you to progress in the game.
Stupid question, fuck off.
lkjkljkl
>>340391325
>le world pvp meme
12 years this is going and the whine is still real
>>340390358
>>340391306
Lndi is a meme?
I played with him on Nostalrius, but didn't realize that I was graced with the presence of a living meme
>>340391306
>talking about the abomination that is /krog/ when it started from /nosg/
>>340383680
>log into wod
>1-2 shot everyone, enemies doesn't make a scratch on you, literally impossible to die
>even elites are soloable
>dungeons are 3min facerolls, low level dungeons are even soloable
>literally everyone uses one fucking set from lv1 to 90, making every item before lv90 completely useless, only used for transmog shit
>gold is only used for overpriced cosmetic stuff, cause the game is so stupidly easy you don't even need to buy anything
>game is so fucking easy you never need any other players help for anything, leaving the game without any kind of socialization
>don't even talk about garrisons
>overall the whole game turned into some fucking dressup game from an actual massively multiplayer rpg
I mean however far the vanilla was from being the "ideal wow" it was much closer to it then wod, this game is a fucking joke right now.
>>340391435
still dont get it why he is, hes a pretty bad raid leader, the epics he got from nope lifted him above the average nosg shitters in their fotm guild, and he used them to get himself free bindings, too bad the server got shut down before that
>>340391458
>Being this butthurt over legitemate vanilla complaints
>>340380405
Is this the new ME ME or something? fuck off faggot.
>>340391554
How is that anon butthurt at all? Do you have poor reading comprehension? Genuine question, anon.
>>340391336
Yes!
>>340391653
>Someone complains about Vanilla wow questing being drudging, slow and awful
>Make a counterpost listing stuff from live
>>340391390
(You)
ITT: People who don't realise that vanilla WoW was fun because of the community the game fostered
>>340381572
But yoy're doing fine in Korea.
>>340391554
>being this butthurt about legimate wod complaints that you don't even read through what I'm talking about
never said the vanilla didn't had flaws but most of those are just some easy balance issues that a simple patch could fix
>>340391710
Yes. He was comparing the two, and from the tone of his post and the content, he does not like current WoW.
So I'll take the question regarding reading comprehension as a yes.Or you just want to post your strawman image(s).Polite sage for responding.
>>340391710
and? he didn't said vanilla doesnt have flaws, he only said wod has way more serious flaws
>>340391713
Give ONE good reason why world pvp should be a thing when BG's exist for the mass clusterfuck and arenas exist for more coordinated smaller teams
Other than "lol, I like to gank people who try and do professions, ganking lowlevel players, ganking people who want to quest or get to their raid team"
>>340391336
Lot of fun, FF a cute
>>340391842
Not him but you know you can decide to NOT play on a PvP server if you DON'T want world PvP. I know this is a shocking concept butwait for itPvP happens on a PvP server.
>>340391842
Because world PvP makes you feel like you are actually partaking in a war.
>"lol, I like to gank people who try and do professions, ganking lowlevel players, ganking people who want to quest or get to their raid team"
What's a PvP and what's a PvE server?
>>340391904
PvP servers barely matter anyway, for some weird reason all the good PvE guilds mass on PvP servers FOR SOME FUCKING REASON, the only time pvp happens on those servers (and I play in pvp realm in a pve guild) is when people are too low to the ground outside of HFC so that spellcasters/hunters or people with the dismount item can kill them
>>340391943
>In a war
>When you gank somebody with 60% health tanking 2-3 mobs trying to do a daily
>>340390003
>You already know how to beat it, why aren't you world firsting mythic raids?
kwowing how to beat a boss = having enough people who aren't brain-dead to follow it
>>340380454
I actually agree. Back in the day, lot could be forgiven, but If I rate vanilla by todays standards it would be quite terrible.
Then again Im rating vanilla as it was back in the day. They might have made lot of progress since then.
>>340390558
a better mage set will affect your skills differently I guess. haste also makes you cast progressively faster I guess?
>>340391972
You are quite literally retarded aren't you? Of course shit don't matter ANYMORE because fuck blizzard that's why. You pussy ass PvE guilds gather on PvP servers because no one ever goes questing anymore anyway. You would be stupid if so. And if you don't quest you do dungeons and when you do dungeons it doesn't matter what type of server you play on.
>>340391306
>krog
you mean nosg you shit
