>Long & complicated
I think is legit
Sorry for the le Reddit link.
https://www.reddit.com/r/CrackStatus/comments/4mtb46/conversation_with_a_denuvo_employee/
post it here you lazy faggot
>believing this
they're not that stupid
>>340179712
i am lazy as fuck right now.
https://web.archive.org/web/20160606171759/https://www.reddit.com/r/CrackStatus/comments/4mtb46/conversation_with_a_denuvo_employee/
>Only 100k for an AAA game
Damn, that's fucking cheap.
>>340180276
Yup. Like 2k sales is all you need to make that up for an AAA dev
That's why I don't believe it
>>340179534
>pretending to be some unknown game dev on steam
...not even reading that garbage, fuck off
>>340179534
>EA & Sony is funding denuvo
FUCK YOUU !!!!
One more reason to hate EA.
>>340180476
mad because you can't pirate?
no pay no play it's simple and fair
>>340180476
No surprise that Sony are being kikes.
Denuvo is made by the leftovers of Sony DADC, which created Securom, Sony will always be kikes.
>>340180748
>mad because you can't pirate?
Duh, of course.
i am a poorfag.
You smell that? Smells like bullshit.
>>340179534
Who the hell has a time to write those fakes ?
>hey guys, i just went to the site, lied about being a dev and they gave me all the answers, totally real guys
Yeah, i'm sure no one ever thought about just asking them shit, ever.
Daily reminder:
Pirates buy far more games than non-pirates
Anti-piracy systems don't benefit the customer
Piracy is essential for a healthy gaming industry: without piracy developers aren't motivated to create games good enough that people feels compelled to pay for them
Piracy generates word-of-mouth and sales in a way not possible when the game is protected
Only bad / mediocre games use Denuvo.
>>340181519
Source?
>>340179534
Good. People feel so damn entitled to entertainment.
>>340181519
>t. underaged poorfag piratefaggot
>>340181519
This is somewhat true, any time a game comes out that isn't denuvo I see lots of shit about it for a while without even trying to look for it, but when doom came out I only saw like 2 threads here and 3 youtube videos. Just cause 3 I have seen the first gameplay footage and nothing else.
>>340183260
t. denuvo shill on suicide watch
>>340182623
Why would he give you a source? It's pulled straight from his ass
>>340180476
Sony BTFO PCFags once again xD
>>340181172
You spend time on /v/ and you wonder this?
>>340181519
>my unprovable statistics support piracy
>>340179534
I would actually love for sony to use it and to put games on pc, hard to crack and you wouldn't have to buy 3 systems to play everything
I don't like denuvo but for that reason id give it a pass
>remove piracy
>remove gameplay videos
>/v/ can't shit on game, because they don't even know what's inside
>>340179534
I will stay away from that mallware cancer even if it means i don't buy any games at all.
>>340188637
It amuses me how some people shit on Denuvo, yet accept Steam.
As someone that hasn't given a cent to Valve since it made it authentication scheme a thing: welcome to being disappointed in people not caring and letting companies shit in the well water.
>>340188864
>What is a GoG
>>340188864
So anyone shits on Denuvo automatically accepted steam ? i don't like steam's DRM either, but at least it didn't made by the same people who fucked PC Gamers a decade ago.
>>340189057
An overall well meaning - though sometimes misguided - company that doesn't have enough public support to have the same catalog Steam has.
And probably never will given ow Steam's success is due in no small part to how it can hold customers captive.
>>340189103
>So anyone shits on Denuvo automatically accepted steam ?
Gotta like how you took the jump from "some people" to "all people" for some reason.
>>340186562
>>my unprovable statistics prove that unprovable statistics support piracy
Cool. Tell us more.
>>340188864
If you don't understand why people hate Denuvo but not Steam, then you're a fucking newfag to this topic that should lurk more.
>>340189459
Or maybe I've been for a while and find the reasons given at best perfectly hypocritical, and at worse completely irrational.
For one Denuvo wouldn't - couldn't even -be a thing right now had people not allowed Steam and its copycats to take control of games from them.
>>340189419
when did i do that ? they fucked PC Gamers by infecting their PCs and it's a fact.
>>340179534
i bought only one game with denuvo (Lords of the Fallen) and i will never buy any other game that will ever use it.
>>340189885
>when did i do that ?
me: >>340188864
>It amuses me how *some people* shit on Denuvo, yet accept Steam.
You, quoting me: >>340189103
>So *anyone* shits on Denuvo automatically accepted steam ?
>>340189419
Oops i got it now, sorry my mistake
>>340179534
yfw denuvo is the flag for mediocre games nowadays and if you see it on any game cover you should avoid it.
is /v/ that poor? games are cheap as fuck now.
>>340190245
I have a job, but that's a moot point.
Games are more expensive to make AND to purchase.
>>340190245
And this has anything to do with denuvo how ?
>>340180853
Kind of a surprise actually; what do they have to gain? Sony doesn't have a presence on Denuvo's target, PC.
>>340190171
No problem. We all get tired and misread things.
>>340190245
>games are cheap as fuck now
>New releases are 60+ dollarydoos
>DLC is an extra 10 - 20
I used to be able to buy games from Target or Walmart for a third of that price.
>>340190326
>games are more expensive
not really. some used to be 70-80 bucks. we have more standard pricing now. people are just being whiny cunts.
>>340190361
They still get paid from licensing the tech.
Thats' one thing some tend to forget that makes the whole situation even more unbearable: publishers *pay* to make things worse for customers in the long run when they use a DRM solution.
>>340189867
Steam is non-intrusive, doesn't install uninstallable files to your computer, and generally doesn't give a shit about you or what you do as long as you're not cheating in a VAC secured MP game.
That was actually an interesting read. And I fucking love how they just spew out all the information they can, in the hopes they might sell some more, despite all their supposed research.
>>340190637
It also made your licenses untransferable - basically renegotiating possession at a loss for all users - and made you dependent on the use of the client for access to your games.
It made Denuvo possible also, if what we've heard about how it works holds truth.
>>340190776
Because they are convinced that DENUVO IS LITERALLY UNCRACKABLE
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA !!!!!
>>340188423
Oy vey. Now be a good goyim and buy this game with out knowing anything about it.
>>340190637
Also how is Steam non-intrusive when its made *mandatory* for game access?
Give me one good reason to hate denuvo given that I buy my games.
>>340191358
the vast amount of money invested into the service would be better spent on the development of the games. denuvo is practically extortion, its like paying protection money to a mob.
>>340191358
The way it limits modding and long term survival of/access to games?
For an example of what Denuvo will be in a few years, just take a look at what happened when Microsoft removed in a security update old components from Windows that were used by a past DRM, and made legitimate copies of the game unplayable in the process.
We've managed to get some games back - Vampire The Masquerade: Bloodlines come to mind - which only happened for games that already had a good community standing behind them, which only eve could happen because the DRM was cracked. Whether it will be an option in the future for Denuvo games is still un-answered.
>>340191358
Give me one benefit that Denuvo has for you.
Reasons to hate:
1.Unwanted (unknown) files which remains on your system even after uninstall.
2.Restriction, specially for mods that requaires access to game's EXE file.
3.Forcing to check your games after some time not being online.
4.Made by cancers who fucked lots of people in the past with thier mallware.
5.Gives publishers more control over consumers more than before.
6.They don't use it because of piracy, but for hidding some shitty practice or negative reactions of pirates over their shitty games.
>>340191358
You are making EA richer by buying denuvo games since EA is funding denuvo.
>>340191010
What? if the interview is true, they're outright saying that nothing in uncrackeable, Denuvo included.
>>340192110
Thats is marketing talk
>>340189867
if steam or some other equivalent online distribution platform didn't exist pc gaming would be basically dead
>>340190776
they don't give away any sensitive information at all. basically how much it costs and who's using it. That doesn't help crackers in any way
/v/ told me that all games past 2005 are shit.
By that logic, then it doesn't matters if all games onwards use Denuvo given how there is no reason to preserve them.
>>340192110
As far as I get it, the question with Denuvo isn't whether it can be cracked or not, but under which circumstances/costs.
>>340179534
I want the digital only kike to die. Physical releases fucking when?
>>340182623
Not him, but there you go
list of of research that shows sales benefit from piracy:
http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2010/04/us-government-finally-admits-most-piracy-estimates-are-bogus.ars
http://articles.businessinsider.com/2011-12-02/europe/30466752_1_downloading-swiss-government-copyright
http://blog.wolfire.com/2010/05/Another-view-of-game-piracy
http://uk.gamespot.com/news/6343451/56-of-console-gamers-dont-pay-for-games-study?sid=6343451
http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2010/05/file-sharers-are-content-industrys-largest-customers.ars
http://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/32341/Amnesia_The_Dark_Descent_Sells_200K_Developer_Lauds_PC_As_A
_Growing_Platform.php
http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2008/10/dodgy-digits-behind-the-war-on-piracy.ars
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2011-03-01-pc-gaming-is-growing-everywhere
http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2011/03/01/pc-is-strong-pc-games-revenue-up-20/
http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2008/01/oops-mpaa-admits-college-piracy-numbers-grossly-infl
ated.ars
http://www.unc.edu/~cigar/papers/FileSharing_March2004.pdf
http://www.gao.gov/new.items/d10423.pdf
http://www.ic.gc.ca/eic/site/ippd-dppi.nsf/eng/h_ip01456.html
http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2009/06/study-p2p-customers-are-hollywoods-best-friend.ars
http://software.intel.com/en-us/blogs/2010/04/19/hear-that-knocking-sound-its-pc-gaming/
http://uk.pc.ign.com/articles/884/884757p1.html
http://www.devicemag.com/2011/02/03/steams-1-billion-sales-in-2010/
http://www.next-gen.biz/news/study-claims-pc-market-largest
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/7.262501-Steam-Flirts-With-1-Billion-in-2010
http://www.next-gen.biz/news/npd-four-per-cent-of-us-gamers-admit-to-piracy
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/8354166.stm
http://paidcontent.co.uk/article/419-research-p2p-filesharing-no-barrier-to-music-sales/
http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2012/04/code-not-physical-property/
>>340191950
Jesus. You sound like a butthurt pirate.
>release game with drm that requires online access
>after a few years, realize your business can't hold itself above water anymore
>take servers offline
>games with drm are l4d2
>innocent consumers who paid lots of cash are screwed out of a product that was rightfully theirs but not really lol it's just a license goy
No one can defend this shit.
>>340192498
>Blogs, dead links and studios with no sources
Yeah, you sure told us.
>>340192575
How about you fucking prove him wrong instead of going for the ad hominem.
Jesus, you sound like a fucking blind consumer.
>>340192498
kek.
no beta test via torrent?
no buy.
live it, learn it. the shit they are pushing these days just isn't worth it.
if i have to buy it, it'll be when it's in the $5USD bargain bin. I can wait.
I've installed steam a few months ago and won some monies from betting stupid shit, but won't buy Denuvo stuff because i don't want my HD fried and my computer infected with potential spyware that persists even after you uninstall the games
Really hoping they release Unravel and Doom on GoG someday or something, those are the first good games that got hit by denuvo
>>340192775
He's the one who needs to prove all of those points with evidence, not us. And half of those are subjective
>muh feelings
points.
>>340192265
I keep hearing that and I call bullshit every time.
If anything Steam works as a parasite that lives off the vitality of the PC market. The "crisis" the PC market suffered came from conflicts between publishers and fed up customers on the one hand, and publishers and retailers on the other.
Steam allowing publisher to ignore the later while for some reason becoming an accepted DRM scheme "saved" PC gaming as much Microsoft saved console gaming with paid online and DLCs.
It amuses me to no end that Valve made all that money by artificially enclosing what was once an opened platform, yet dares to pose themselves has champions of open platforms when Microsoft threatens to do the very same thing to them.
>>340192575
An you sound like a Denuvo whore. butthurt of what ? unlike you, i'm not a 4 years old child who can't control himself and pirate anything or can't wait some year for price to go down. at least i have standards and won't eat shit.
"We think there is a fundamental misconception about piracy. Piracy is almost always a service problem and not a pricing problem. f a pirate offers a product anywhere in the world, 24 x 7, purchasable from the convenience of your personal computer, and the legal provider says the product is region-locked, will come to your country 3 months after the US release, and can only be purchased at a brick and mortar store, then the pirate's service is more valuable. Prior to entering the Russian market, we were told that Russia was a waste of time because everyone would pirate our products. Russia is now about to become [Steam's] largest market in Europe,"
-Gaben
>>340190776
After reading the part how they are ready to set up the paperwork from Sony to make more sales, they sound like a bunch of tryhards to me. Giving warranty of 1-12 months and stating how some denuvo games aren't cracked yet.
It is common that new DRM doesn't get cracked on day one. Even tho it was the case with MGSV. At the same time I feel like the scene doesn't give a shit that much about denuvo after all. Games were all mediocore and the ones who managed to crack denuvo didn't really show off as much. 3DM for example literally said: fuck it, we gonna see how it will impact on sales and back off for a while. Later on they said no piracy in 2 years but then bragged again about having it cracked entirely and will be back. After all its about fame and bragging rights but this isn't 1985-2007. Shit improved a lot but they seem like a bunch of traitors who suck off Sony while working for them and keeping up their solution with sales. If nobody will use this DRM it will eventually die out or gets exposed by crackers.
>>340192385
There is good reason to preserve bad shit: you tend to learn as much, if not more, from mistakes than you do from successfully pulling it of.
>>340191089
Not all "steam games" actually require steam to be running, senpai. The ones that do tend to be MP games like TF2. Plus there's ways of running ones that do require it (single player) without actually having it running. Like I said, it's primarily a MP cheat detector, that also happens to be a game distributor.
>>340192772
>you sure told us.
Who told you this was an argument or i wanted to get anyone "told", do you treat every conversation as an argument like an autist?
Someone asked something, i gave him the answer
>>340192759
I own DarkSpore and that happened to me too, also i spent 20$ on Age of Empires Online and it shut down as well, that was the end for me to support this shit.
>muh freedumbs
just a few more days and denuvo is cracked
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DMP0f7uzyFQ
>>340193185
No, but they all require Steam to be accessed and installed in the first place, kohai.
Would you complain about Denuvo if it allowed modding while at the same time prevented piracy?
>>340193338
>few more years
Fixed, sorry.
>>340193543
Obviously yes as long as there's a risk to continued access to the game.
And I don't know how they could dodge that one.
>>340193543
No, it shouldn't install hidden files on PC, it shouldn't force me to go online to activate the game over and over again, it shouldn't mess the EXE. with all that i personally might take it with lube but still what is has for me ? i gain what exactly by having a game with that DRM on it ?
GO BACK TO REEEEEEEDDDIT OP REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
>Every Denuvo game stays uncracked for one year.
>People supports the game and the developer
>After a year the game is cracked and can be both pirated and modded, allowing it to be preserved in case of the original developer / publisher dying
Win-win for everyone
>>340181519
>Piracy is essential for a healthy gaming industry: without piracy developers aren't motivated to create games good enough that people feels compelled to pay for them
are you brazlian by any chance?
>>340192994
I am a game developer who released games online before and after the existence of steam
The PC market never suffered a "crisis" but the only advantage it has over consoles realistically is it's an open platform. A central, online marketplace where anyone call sell their game made the PC market explode. Weather you think the explosion in games is good is up to you, but there would be alot less good and shit games on the PC without it (or any equivalent sales platform, if Valve didn't do it someone else would have)
>>340179534
>check reddit comments
>"I was wondering if peopel at denuvo hated pirates, but after reading that if think they are just doing their job without any kind of hate"
Holy shit is this guy 12? Is this the Reddit you've been warning me about?
>>340193821
No, it shouldn't install hidden files on PC
Dude, you're using a Microsoft OS. You already have hidden files up the ass.
Daily reminder that Deus Ex 4 will be 1/3 of initially planned game, thanks to SE. Another half-assed Denuvo title.
>>340193543
Games that have denuvo need sales the least.
I'd even say they need less sales for all the bullshit their publishers do.
However, I'd stop complaining if AAA devs donated a portion of revenue to fostering good game studios.
>>340194141
>The shitposting against MD already started
Glorious piratefag tears.
>>340193949
Well yeah, that has been the case with piracy for a big while, make a piracy deterrent good enough to hold for a week or so and bank on first days hype.
>>340193543
That's honestly the only thing that bothers me, apart the rumors of hardware issues.
Still doesn't affect me as I'm not interested in any game with Denuvo, released or announced.
>>340194117
It will install them and even after you uninstall the game, they remains. it was in FarCry Primal's EULA.
just because someone is sptying on you against your will that doesn't mean everyone can and should do it.
>>340194024
Take a closer look at /v/. It has same audience
>>340194151
fug
>>340179534
I miss the good ol' days when /v/ instantly lynched anyone who so much as hinted that they visited reddit.
Fuck off and die you shitter.
>>340194478
t. totally not a newfag trying too hard at fitting in
>>340193414
>He's never heard of Steam cracks
You couldn't be anymore incorrect then you are now.
>leddit
>>340194021
>I am a game developer who released games online before and after the existence of steam
Cool, so I've been. Answer me this then: did that marketplace in any way need the closed walled-garden architecture and in-built DRM solutions that Valve enforced?
Anyway, Steam didn't "save" PC gaming, it was just lucky enough to be in the right place at the right time to live off PC's gaming vitality, as I was saying, by taking control of the market.
>The PC market never suffered a "crisis"
I wouldn't go that far. There was a short period where distribution had been almost killed in retail and the DD platforms hadn't reached the support level to compensate. Those were hard times.
>>340194151
mom was sleeping so i went to check on her and she's not waking up wtf
>>340194151
No
>>340194141
A goog game doesn't need such a DRM to sale (witcher 3,civ5,xcom 1 and 2 or even some indie game) or shine on the market, only the shitty ones with less content or worst quality using that.
>>340192375
they probably implement multiple triggers in the game. In different chapters, after certain cut scenes and so on. Thats why you couldnt play the prologue in mgsv and had to skip or load from a save file. After all its not unrackable.
>>340194478
Hi !
>>340194672
And those obviously are perfectly legal?
>>340181519
True.
Piracy has kept a good fanbase on the Dreamcast with games being made for it still.
>>340194151
not today
>>340195313
This is denuvo thread, so it's allowed.
>>340194764
Steam created the online distribution market. I mean sure it was there before but Steam made it explode. I'm not sure what you mean by closed walled-garden. Anyone is free to sell their game outside of Steam. I don't think a completely DRM-free store like GOG Games could ever be as big as steam. And Valve's DRM is weak as fuck and easy to crack anyway, your game is not encrypted and unaccessible like Denuvo. It's not a perfect solution, but no sales solution is
>>340194151
fuck you
>>340194151
Double immunity cat
>>340195073
Is modding games legal? No one's going to care as long as you're not doing that to fuck around in MP games.
I would buy all my games from GOG if it actually had them.
Any time I check their store it looks like they only have The Witcher.
>>340190965
https://www.gog.com/connect
>>340194151
NIGGERS
>>340195475
>Steam created the online distribution market. I mean sure it was there before but Steam made it explode.
So we can, agree, right place, right time. Just a phagocyte infection.
>I'm not sure what you mean by closed walled-garden. Anyone is free to sell their game outside of Steam.
Well, yes, the garden is opened to publishers, not to customers. The former can publish wherever they want. The later can only go where allowed. And that's before mentioning how the Steam set up is meant to create tremendous customer inertia by conflating all services, keeping its customer base captive.
>I don't think a completely DRM-free store like GOG Games could ever be as big as steam.
Course it could, if people reject DRMs in mass. What would publishers do,stop publishing because customers are meanies?
>And Valve's DRM is weak as fuck and easy to crack anyway, your game is not encrypted and unaccessible like Denuvo.
But if what we know is true, what Denuvo encrypts is Valve's (or other proprietary client) DRM. Without Steam or copycat, there's no Denuvo.
>>340195952
Which is beside the point. It's nice that you're answering a post, but you might want to make sure your answer is in any way related to the conversation at hands. Would help.
>>340196068
That's a nice initiative and all, but all it does it gives even more incentive to shop from Steam rather than GOG: why buy a game from GOG when you can buy it from Steam, and also get your GOG copy just in case, when the reverse doesn't hold true?
Turning GOG into S Team customer support is a nice gesture toward Valve I guess.
And - more importantly - it has nothing to do with license transfer in the case of being able to lend, gift or sell your bought games.
>>340194151
Nah
These are the same people who bitch and whine about "don't pre-order this AAA game because you will be disappointed!" and when it comes out, the same people talk about non-stop and go "wow I can't believe I pre-odered this shit"
>this was one of the motivation why we developed our Anti-Tamper solution mainly on request from EA, our first backer for this technology which was released September 2014
fuck you EA.
>>340179534
>For Sega’s Football Manager the sales numbers are publically available (approx. numbers from SteamSpy) and you see that Football Manager 2013 (good crack free window of 1 month vs. 0 days on FM 2012 / 2014) sold ways better: Football Manager 2012: 1,173,175 units Football Manager 2013: 1,340,023 units Football Manager 2014: 1,177,011 units
it's not even worth it. why are devs so greedy and stupid?
>>340196340
>The later can only go where allowed
er isn't that what all software sales are supposed do, restrict their use to paying customers only?
>Course it could, if people reject DRMs in mass
People aren't going to reject non-intrusive DRM like Steam. Hell they probably aren't going to reject intrusive DRM like Denuvo
Valve's "DRM" is just a small wrapper around the executable file. It doesn't work with or have anything to do with Denuvo. Denuvo just uses Steams (or Origin, or uplays) online service to get their hardware information to make the encryption work
>>340194151
fuck you
>>340196527
>It's beside the point
No it's not. You stated that you NEED Steam to be accessed and installed in the first place, and I told you why that was false.
>>340197324
>Denuvo just uses Steams (or Origin, or uplays) online service to get their hardware information to make the encryption work
Same difference. If that client component is removed, do you lose access to your game?
See the Microsoft security update example above.
>er isn't that what all software sales are supposed do, restrict their use to paying customers only?
As a customer, if you want to buy a book, are you free to buy it from anywhere and access it under under any condition past that?
As a customer, if you want to buy a game, can you only obtain without some proprietary platforms that will forcefully tie you to its "service" infrastructure for access?
>>340197861
Just follow the conversation thread a bit beyond that and you might see why it's irrelevant.
>>340198204
Calm your autism dipshit, I was responding to you.
>>340197324
Also: Steam *is* a form of DRM in itself. Just think of people buying their game retail and unable to access the content of their game without Steam authentication first.
>I didn't want to pirate that game anyway
Every time. You guys are so predictable.
>>340198424
Literally only 4 games worth pirating
MGSV, Mad Max, Doom, and Jesus Christ 3.
>>340198356
Yes, and doing so totally beside the point, you miscarriage waste. Nice of you to add noise to the signal though.
Things would get boring otherwise.
>>340179534
pirate status: bootyblasted
fucking hilarious reading that reddit
>>340180748
>no pay no play it's simple and fair
Except he literally can.
If you think it's morally wrong, whatever. Your statement is literally false. He can pirate with no repercussions other than some white Knight sperg on /v/ getting buttblasted. Hell if anything that's an added bonus
>>340198424
It's true though. The only Denuvo game I actually wanted to play was the one I preordered before anyone knew it had Denuvo.
>>340184031
>expecting /v/ to discuss games they can't pirate
>not realizing different communities attract different kind of people
Warhammer was the best selling and most talked about TW by a huge margin. You wouldn't know that from only being on /v/ though.
>>340180748
Sure, just tell people they can no longer enjoy luxuries like music and movies and porn because they won't pay
Oh wait.
>>340198072
Games aren't books.
I can't use my car in certain residential areas or inside a mall either, is that some kind of "car DRM"?
>>340194273
Funny how when everybody was shitposting against DXHR nobody was blaming piratefags. Probably because it was the pirated alpha leak that turned everyone's opinions around 180
>>340198574
>Beside the point
It isn't when I was addressing you directly and not OP or the topic. But I thanks for agreeing that you're an autistic dipshit. ;^)
>>340194151
every fucking time!
I find it fucking hilarious how hard everyone tries to pretend that they hate Denuvo for any other reason besides it keeping them from free shit.
DOOM crack when? I'm not spending $60 on a 7 hour campaign
>>340199615
I guess you missed StarForce made by same guys who made Denuvo. It made all games that I've bought worthless when they stopped supporting it.
>>340199282
>Games aren't books.
It's very weird that they would fall under the very same IP laws then (gratuitous jab, no need to answer that).
>I can't use my car in certain residential areas or inside a mall either, is that some kind of "car DRM"?
Impropriety of the analogy aside, you're being forced in the case of games because the publisher can. Because customers gave them that power through the adoption of client platforms. Not because of any form of need, of commercial, practical or legal imperative.
>>340199359
Not disputing the blatantly idiotic because you still have a modicum of pity left in you doesn't imply agreeing with it.
>>340193414
>No, but they all require Steam to be ... installed in the first place, kohai.
wtf dude
when you buy a game from steam, where else would you expect to download that game. wtf
>>340194151
Fuck you anon.
>>340200212
Holy shit could you get any more triggered?
>PC game sales down across the board
>its the pirates fault guys! Even though they can't crack the game!
>>340198546
Of those 4 games, all of them are fucking garbage. Doom is OK.
>>340199919
What are you on about?
Denuvo came about from a buyout of Sony DADC.
They have nothing to do with StarForce.
>>340200363
a) The shop could have done without a mandatory client with activation scheme and mandatory account tying. Others can do it, Valve can do it.
b) Think of the cases where you buy the game not from Steam (retail if only) yet still end up being forced to install and use the client to have access to your game..
>>340200443
Weird, because the released numbers have been showing PC sales skyrocketing the past few years.
Of course only a retard would attribute that to DRM, just like only a retard would make up false facts out of his ass about falling sales and then attribute it to DRM
>>340200718
b) Think of the cases where you buy the game not from Steam (retail if only) yet still end up being forced to install and use the client to have access to your game..
That's already been the case for a decade before Denuvo.
>>340200908
Witcher 3 doesn't even have DRM and GTA V was pirateable as well
>>340179534
>ALMOST NO GAME NOWADAYS HAS A DOWNLOADABLE DEMO
>ONLY PRE-ORDER EARLY ACCESS
>NO WAY TO TRY NEW GAMES ON YOUR MACHINE
>CAN'T EVEN PIRATE THEM
>>340201105
And your point?
>>340201060
You don't say. We're talking Steam (the bigger evil of the two if you ask me) in that sub-conversation, not Denuvo.
>>340201296
>Thinks Steam is worse then Denuvo
If you're the person that was sperging out with that other anon, then he's right. You're fucking retarded.
>>340200585
I think anon is mistaking Starforce with SecuROM,developed by Sony DADC. which went one to become Denuvo.
Same poison, but getting facts right is important.
>>340201145
There's always youtube :^)
>>340200212
>It's very weird that they would fall under the very same IP laws then (gratuitous jab, no need to answer that).
I agree.
>Impropriety of the analogy aside, you're being forced in the case of games because the publisher can. Because customers gave them that power through the adoption of client platforms. Not because of any form of need, of commercial, practical or legal imperative.
Car analogies are always terrible for a variety of reasons, and I admit mine was awful. But don't you think that a company has an imperative to maximize their profit, and that Denuvo is a relatively cheap way of boosting it short term?
>>340201296
>We're talking Steam (the bigger evil of the two
>>340179534
I wouldnt play any Denuvo protected game even if paid for it... nothing of value is lost
>>340201894
He's right though.
>>340190606
>some used to be 70-80 bucks
And now most are $60 plus however much they're charging for cut content being sold as DLC, sometimes for more than the base game. The cost for the complete game have only increased, but idiot gamers like yourself don't see it.
>>340201894
>implying you couldn't argue that steam is even worse than EA
>>340179534
This is blatant viral marketing.
>>340201665
>But don't you think that a company has an imperative to maximize their profit
Not only I don't, I believe that it's a counterproductive approach in the long run. There's several ways to put it depending on which school of thought you come from in economics.
Legally speaking, there is no such imperative. That's a dangerous fallacy which is hurting public debate, by distorting the reality of what a company can and should be.
http://www.nytimes.com/roomfordebate/2015/04/16/what-are-corporations-obligations-to-shareholders/corporations-dont-have-to-maximize-profits
>>340202360
>>340202145
He's a valvedrone.
Anything that pleases his fat fucks micropenis.
>>340194151
pls no
>>340191358
I buy all my games too and hate denuvo because
>NO MODS
Seriously fuck that cancerous piece of DRM. I think it's by far one of the worst, most paying customer unfriendly pieces of shit I've ever seen.
>>340202807
They released a doom with no modding ability? Jesus Christ gaming is dead
>>340194151
fk ye
>>340202807
But it does support mods.
>>340194151
What's the picture?
>>340202895
Yeah makes me furious. I liked D44M pretty well anyways but really that just makes it worse. I want to mod shit.
>>340202964
Not a single game with Denuvo has any real mods. The most I've seen are asset swaps, which don't fucking count. If it doesn't involve editing the script, it's not a real fucking mod.
>>340202895
You can "mod" it but it's basically like a very small fenced off sandbox. You can create maps using a dev released tool, but that's it; even then you can't create custom assets, and you can only build maps a certain way.
>>340203182
But there are already new asset mods for Warhammer.
Just like before Denuvo, the mods you can make depend on the resources the devs give you to mod. And that's been dying out for awhile.
Bethesda not giving us proper modding tools for DOOM had nothing to do with Denuvo modibility, but Bethesda being a shit publisher
>>340201761
>NO WAY TO TRY NEW GAMES ON YOUR MACHINE
youtube doesnt do this anon.
>>340203232
So its basically halo forge from halo 3
>>340203182
Well, there's also Just Cause 3 and the destruction of all MODS by a simple update making them incompatible because Denuvo if I remember right. Haven't looked up that case in details yet though, so any anon who wants to correct or complement info with sources is welcome.
>>340203436
It's not even as good as Forge.
All these desperate piratekeks.
Truly pathetic.
>>340203398
It's possible for devs who are really dedicated to it to allow you to make mods for your game if you have Denuvo, but that doesn't change the fact like what >>340203553 said happens where games that don't have built in modding support are still possible to mod but lazy ass devs just slap on denuvo and bam, no mods for you.
I don't want to have to rely on devs going out of their way to make modding possible and only being able to use the mod tools they release. I want to actually be able to mod shit.
>>340203398
Warhammer has modding tools though. Denuvo stops you from messing with the .exe which prevents modding all the games that don't provide tools.
It means Bethesda is extra shit for not only not making good tools but also preventing those who wouldn't need them from being able to do so.
>>340203745
B-But it reads/writes data and destroys your harddri- Oh, it doesn't...
But it requires an online connection to pla- Oh, it doesn't....
B-But it destroys moddi- Oh, it doesn't...
But I want it for free!!!
>>340190210
As much as I despise smug anime faces, you say the truth.
>>340204057
but it prevents modding ;)
>>340179534
>Best regards, Thomas
>Thomas Goebl Director Sales & Marketing
>Goebl
>Director Sales & Marketing
>Goebl
>In charge of forming public opinion related to the product
Holy fuck.
>>340194764
You're out of your stupid fucking mind if you don't think PC needed a central marketplace. The DRM wasn't needed except for online games but a central marketplace was absolutely needed.
Imagine trying to find out about new games and having to sign up and log in to 500 different sites and developers to buy their games assuming you ever even hear about it. Especially for the ones that can't pay to shove marketing down your throat.
>>340204057
>B-But it reads/writes data and destroys your harddri- Oh, it doesn't...
Don't have the technical expertise myself, but yeah, this one seems to have been debunked. Weird that it made the performance drop debate diminish in the process.
>But it requires an online connection to pla- Oh, it doesn't...
Actually, it seems it does. There's been proof that it sends packets to servers owned by the company. To what end, we don't know yet, but if it's not to enforce its DRM role, then we're back to the rootkit accusations.
>B-But it destroys moddi- Oh, it doesn't...
It's nice that you say so, but I'll take the word of the modding community over yours, and so far they do seem to think things bad as far as I can tell.
BTW, this whole thing spawns from EA, I sure hope you cunts arent buying their games anymore.
>this was one of the motivation why we developed our Anti-Tamper solution mainly on request from EA,
>>340197297
>an extra 10 million dollars isn't worth 100,000 euros
As far as business goes, it's a no brainer. The only reason I'm against it is because I think they're full of shit and that the extra sales have nothing to do with their DRM and it's bad for society as a whole.
Manual testing of the protected game (on all major Windows OS and hardware configuration; performance testing with FPS comparison between protected and unprotected game)
Early Leak Detection (scanning online for piracy releases)
Manual piracy monitoring (piracy forums) with regular updates per mail
Scum.
>>340205657
>Scum.
How is that scum? You seem to think you are entitled to pirate games and no one is allowed to stop you.
Stay mad, faggot.
>>340205291
I don't know whether or not it sends info while you're online, but I do know I've played a Denuvo game offline with no problems for about a week.
So far it's the least intrusive DRM yet. I just hope it gets cracked soon so /v/ can stop crying about it making them buy games.
>>340205910
>Im okay with the idea of shills infiltrating our forums and shutting things down/stealing information
>Im okay if they use windows backdoors to scan files on my computer
>>340194151
You can see how many people are superstitious.Me too
>>340204057
>B-But it reads/writes data and destroys your harddr
>But it requires an online connection
>B-But it destroys mod
All of those are true, i value my hardware integrity so i'm holding on to my money until they remove Denuvo malware from the one game i care about
Needing to have 2 DRMs (steam and now this denuvo contraption) is absolutely ridiculous
>>340206262
>All of those are true
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5GJZyeAR7H0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qX379zScuZE
>>340205174
>You're out of your stupid fucking mind if you don't think PC needed a central marketplace
That's not what I said though.
And you could have an *optional* client that deals with all those micro-markets for you if you don't want to yourself. You know something that actually is a service instead of an imposed limitation.
That's the worst thing for me about the Steam debate: none of the things the client does that are appreciated by some customers demanded the things that are hated by others. Yet the very existence of those positives seems to invalidate the negatives for some reasons.
Oh,and did that central DD marketplace need to infect retail too?
>The DRM wasn't needed except for online games
Not even. I'd say the disappearance of private servers free of proprietary clients has been just as harmful as other DRM solutions. Publishers should secure *their* servers. Not make them mandatory.
>>340203398
>Just like before Denuvo, the mods you can make depend on the resources the devs give you to mod
Before Denuvo, and other then Bethesda games, modders made their own tools to mod.
>>340205291
>this one seems to have been debunked
Only if you consider not taking into account all variables "debunked". I can also debunk global warming by showing you that it wasn't very hot yesterday. See the connection? The thing is it CAN, but in the same way playing games 24/7 will wear down a hard drive more then only playing games a few hours a day will.
>>340206016
>I do know I've played a Denuvo game offline with no problems for about a week.
>So far it's the least intrusive DRM yet.
I think technically Denuvo isn't DRM, it's anti-tamper software. Basically prevents pirates from removing the DRM that's already in place (mostly Steamworks, sometimes Origin). Which is why FIFA16 was bypassed since the Origin DRM was badly implemented.
>>340205657
>testing performance impact of Denuvo manually
Those assholes making sure there is no noticeable performance impact on the game! I hope they fucking die.
>>340206262
((((You))))
>>340194151
not today blezinski
>>340206459
Well, as I said, I don't have the technical knowhow on that one. So I'll trust the word of people I know who do, and their conclusion is that there's no definitive proof yet.
Innocent until proven guilty, and all that jazz.
That being said, trust, but verify.
It's good to stay wary of companies given how they keep proving time and again they don't really deserve to be trusted.
>>340194151
Not 2night
>>340206410
>comments and rating disabled
>those "snarky" video descriptions
You'll have to do better than this
Your angle should be "i understand your concerns, but i can demonstrate why Denuvo will not ruin your PC", you aren't winning me over with "haha u wrong i debunk u... This will surly kill all of our SSDs :o"
You aren't having an argument with me and never was, you are trying to sell a product
So sell me on it
>>340206746
Stop that
>>340194151
shiet
>>340207386
Stay mad and BTFO retard.
>>340207594
So i see how it is, you treat everything as arguments and is desperately trying to make up for your shortcomings in life by trying to "BTFO" them on petty internet arguments
I pity you and your parents, and tell your boss at Denuvo i'm keeping my money
>>340195257
Are you seriously implying the Dreamcast's failure is a result of piracy?
Why do you think PS2, Wii, and NDS are the best selling consoles of their times? What do they all have in common?
>>340207894
Stay mad and BTFO.
There is nothing to argue, the evidence is right there infront of you.
Want to try it for yourself?
Download this
http://processhacker.sourceforge.net/
Pirate/buy and play a cracked Denuvo gam, use process hacker to monitor your SSD read and writes.
Get even more BTFO.
>>340208238
I'll repeat myself:
You aren't having an argument with me and never was, you are trying to sell a product
So sell me on it
>BTFO FAGGOT
This is not how you sell a product
>>340208538
>you are trying to sell a product
Where am I doing this? Please tell me where I told you to buy anything?
You said it ruins your SSD, I proved you wrong.
You are mad and BTFO.
I don't care if you buy Denuvo games or not, don't buy them for all I care. Just don't say something that isn't true and then get mad when someone proves you wrong.
>>340208238
>>340208908
You're literally arguing the equivalent of
>Pic related is the average temperature for a region. It shows that there was a decrease in the temp. Therefore global warming is in fact not occuring. YOU JUST BTFO'D! XDXDXD
>>340209405
You are a special kind of retard, aren't you?
>>340208908
>being this desperate about winning an imaginary argument
Ok mate, here's your trophy, tell your mommy about it and make her proud
>>340209514
Stay mad, niglet.
>>340193210
Mind sharing a sauce? I can't find it
>>340210139
Poster here, i wish i knew
>>340209494
Dude, you can stop. Everyone with an ounce of intelligence knows that you're full of bullshit.
>>340194151
Fuk U
>>340179534
>Denuvo employee uses Avira antivirus, Chrome, Adblock Plus, and Windows 10 in general
Talk about lack of security
>>340194151
BENIS :DDDD
>>340210575
>full of bullshit.
Sure thing, kiddo.
Everyone can also go download this and see for themselves.
http://processhacker.sourceforge.net/
Not like it is something that can't be replicated by anyone with a PC and a Denuvo game.
>>340194151
fuck you cunt
>>340210674
For curiosity's sake, what's wrong with Avira?
>>340180476
Kid are u stupid? Even without denuvo they would be impossible to crack since bf/NFS/pvzgw2/prob new FIFA (but I dunno since I don't play them), require you to be always logged to their servers
>>340210829
Sure. And you can go to https://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/cdo-web/ and see that temperatures at this moment can disprove global warming!
>>340211091
I N S A N E levels of false positives for one. You could be running completely harmless software and it loses its shit. Also its detection capabilities aren't very good in general. Average detection. Horrendous false positives. By far the most efficient way to handle malware and virus protection is to run a small footprint AV in the background while blocking non-whitelisted scripts and ads (using a proper adblock that doesn't whitelist ads without your consent). Malwarebytes premium real-time protection also helps if you're really paranoid.
>>340210674
Not to mention Skype.
>>340211413
>being this mad about deunvo
Holy shit you are a retard.
No matter what you say anon, facts are facts. You pirate days are coming to an end and no matter how hard you kick and scream nothing is going to stop it.
>>340191027
Whoops, refunds are a thing.
>>340210674
chrome, adblock plus and windows 10 isn't a lack of security, its just you being a /g/ tool.
avira is just lame in general, would be better of using microsoft security essentials
>>340211802
>MSE
>On Windows 10
>Windows 10 is not a lack of security
>Windows 10 has LITERALLY been proven to send TCP streams containing screenshots of your desktop to an unknown server
>Using ad blocking software that selectively allows ads that pay their company big money
Heh. You're not very smart, are you?
>>340211681
>Getting this btfo'd
>B-But you're a pirate!
Keep grasping at straws, retarded shill. I heard if you repeat it enough it becomes true!
>>340212207
>shill
E P I C
>>340212132
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zgs9g-Q-Zm8
This?
Fuck Microsoft, man.
>>340194151
I don't usually reply to this stuff but that picture actually made me feel dread
>>340198546
Mad max was a piece of shit Grundy single player, without a doubt most boring game of 2015.
jizz cause 3 is an awful game, empty world with nothing to do, respawning enemies in missions which reminds me awful budget games from 00s, game is inferior to jc2
>>340211537
OK, so nothing unethical, just inefficiency. Good to know.
>>340211802
Without even going into anything else, with MS fucking around and abusing the update tools and priorities, I definitely would put W10 in security risks myself.
>>340194151
not this shite again
I got a warning not long ago not to reply to these, if I get banned making sure you don't get my mum killed I'll fucking cut you
>>340198546
>People like D44M
What the hell? People are so ready to have developers fuck them in the ass with blatant lies like "We're going back to the roots" they'll buy anything. I hope you have fun with your melee chainsaw takedowns, faggot.
>>340212304
>Using epic unironically
I want all redditors and summerfags to leave.
