What the FUCK went wrong?
>>340152606
All of these were pretty good games though anon, why shit on them?
I'm playing divinity right now.
>>340152606
Casuals can't into CRPGs. And to be fair, out of all those games AoD and DOS really don't belong there because they weren't aiming to recapture the nostalgia of games of old. DOS is probably the only really modern CRPG I can think of and AoD decidedly does its own thing.
I see 4 good games.
And a bunch of mediocre stuff.
>>340152678
Though I'll add that Divinity had an issue with puzzles that were essentially just luck based, or had solutions hidden in way off the track areas that would require you to comb the whole zone to find them, which was pretty fucking annoying.
World design, questing and combat were all excellent though, and I really liked the dialogue.
>>>/redditpgcodex/
>>340152882
>Though I'll add that Divinity had an issue with puzzles that were essentially just luck based, or had solutions hidden in way off the track areas that would require you to comb the whole zone to find them
How is that a negative? Those weren't by any means required to progress
>>340152882
>Though I'll add that Divinity had an issue with puzzles that were essentially just luck based, or had solutions hidden in way off the track areas that would require you to comb the whole zone to find them
I don't remember them being luck based, and them requiring effort out of you is a good thing you fucking sperg.
>>340152606
Isometric RPG's are a cancer and are usually pretentious text simulators with a primary school students level of what qualifies as "deep" and zero worthwhile gameplay aspects. Any video game with less than 90% gameplay (so games like Uncharted, Fallout 1/2, and whatever this shit is) should be classed as either childrens novels or film.
inb4 rpgcodex niggers shit on poe
Shadowrun Dragonfall, Hong Kong, and Wasteland 2 were great return to form for isometric games. idk what the fuck you're talking about
>>340153042
That's quality bait.
>>340152951
I have no idea why people bring up Codex when they're basically like /v/ in that they can't agree on anything except that current gen sucks for RPGs, few exceptions notwithstanding.
>>340152972
True, they weren't needed for a main quest, but it's still poor design in my opinion. You can have good puzzles without them just being based around hitting shit randomly until it works. Or, one of the more obnoxious examples would be the switches in the black cove, where you have no idea what to do, and the one you're meant to hit is hidden out of the area in some bushes. That's not what I call an interesting puzzle, it's just cheap.
Also, Baccus rex was a bizarrely placed fight, there was heaps of buildup, then he's just kind of there. As well as the original meteor strike being by far the hardest part of the entire thing.
>>340153140
They are the only places on the internet that consistently and without fail label Pillars of Eternity a bad game.
>>340153201
It was labelled a bad game here for fucking ages though, even now most people still assume it's shit, despite it being fixed.
>>340153240
>It was labelled a bad game here for fucking ages though
I just said that
What the fuck is codex and why is it brought up anyone says anything slightly bad about Pillars of Borderom?
>>340153320
Oh, I thought you were the original guy saying that only reddit and rpgcodex labelled it bad.
>Shadowrun related thread
>Remember all those ideas I had for a custom campaign
>Remember that I'm me
>Get nothing done
I do the same thing with Neverwinter Nights.
Even having Sims 2 open right now is making me realise how none of these houses I put time and effort into will never have anyone living in them.
>>340152606
Nothing. Your pic related.
>>340153407
>Remember when Shadowrun Online was in kickstarter
>Remember how fantastic it looked
>All the possibilities
>It comes out and is complete fucking garbage cause they scrapped the engine halfway through and fired everyone
why? I just want a fun multiplayer shadowrun game
>>340153407
just type of a rough script for the campaign nigga
pretty sure no one even played staglands here, but it was great
All of those were good except release PoE/WL2 and Hong Kong.
PoE and Wl2 got patched up to decent.
>>340153023
Plenty were way too obtuse, even if as the other guy said, they weren't required to actually advance, just for sidequests.
And no, having to look in every out of the way area, including inside other things isn't a good thing. You can have effort without it being "just look literally everywhere, there's no hint or reason to think it's in a location, but just figure it out, alright?".
>>340153363
Codex is a place for people with good taste that enrages kids.
>>340153590
you have to go back codexnigger
>>340153573
>All of those were good except release PoE/WL2 and Hong Kong.
I can't imagine how anyone can think that piece of shit Shadowrun returns is somehow good but Hong Kong isn't.
PRESENTATION
You cannot expect gamers to pay attention to your little RPG when it looks like shit compared to the big games no matter how complex and deep it is.
>>340153590
Then why doesn't Codex like a masterpiece like Arcanum?
>>340153647
I didn't even see returns, so you can throw it on the fire too because they're both bad.
Was it just me or did Shadowrun pretty much suck?
No real roleplaying, just fairly tedious combat.
>>340153709
You're a fucking idiot.
>>340152606
I enjoyed all of those except for Divinity which I had to drop after the first chapter because of the writing
They're all competent games in what they set out to do though
>>340153701
Yes, it's their #5 top RPG of all time because they don't like it
>>340153806
I know it's parroted all the time but DOS really does feel as if Larian let their interns write the game. And then they didn't do anything for the writing in EE and just voiced it all. Because that's a good waste of money. Wasteland 2 EE at least put some honest effort the package instead of making it more appealing for console players and calling it a day.
>>340153201
Codex hated Pillars so much that they reviewed it 4 times
>>340153719
I thought Dragonfall and Hong Kong were great. Combat wasn't anything spectacular, though, and HK was overloaded in some places.
As the kind of guy who wants to talk to every NPC after a mission, I got way more than I bargained for.
Returns was generic "Pls save Seattle" and the combat was "I hope you leveled Shotguns for this last level"
>>340152606
Nothing?
DivOs, Shadowrun Dragonfall and Hong Kong are all top tier.
AoD, SitS and UR are acquired tastes, but great.
PoE, WL2 and Shadowrun: Returns have their faults but are still worth a playthrough.
>>340153201
Because of butthurt. It was the first Kickstarted game they expected would be GOTY 10/10 just because Obsidian was making. I suspect Numenera will suffer the same fate no matter how good it may turn out, because of unrealistic expectations. At least Obsidian is off the hook from now on because Codex doesn't really they're worth anything without Avellone.
>new interview
>says he feels like he wasted all the years over at Obsidian because he barely got to make anything
>>340153141
>obnoxious examples would be the switches in the black cove
That puzzle only took me 3 switches to figure out. The first teleported me away. The second froze me. After realizing the names were associated with effects, I just looked at all the names until I found the "Bloody Switch." With how much everyone (and I mean everyone) was going on and on about blood this, by blood that, blood stone, blood for the blood god, etc. it was outright obvious that was the right switch. And it wasn't hidden, it was just one of the few switches outside the central ring.
>>340153573
poe actually got all the fun patched out of it
and it never had much fun to begin with
>>340152606
your thread
>>340154041
My only problem with HK was how the best resolution in the game requires you to do shit you won't necessarily feel like doing. Like talking to that shopkeeper girl repeatedly about her mother's research even though the game really gives no significance nor does it track the fact in any shape or form. Also, you have to rest arbitrary number of times and some other shit. It's no problem if you're playing as a completionist, but I've seen so many comments saying people simply had no idea what to do.
>>340153573
nothing can fix poe because we know they literally use the first draft of the script and you can definitely tell how on the nose it feels. you don't need to info dump me all the time, let me discover shit on my own. I am looking forward to the sequel, though.
>>340152606
the pc memers went too far
>>340154041
>forcing an obvious dmpc on you towards the end
yeah, fuck you too game. I also didn't like how story went from very low-key shadowruning to YA GOTTA SAVE THE WORLD shit.
>>340152606
Age of Decadence was fun, but it is minmaxy as fuck. I understand you can't do everything in a single playthrough, and that every build has its flaws, but goddamn some of the decisions were very unclear and could lock you into events that you could only solve a certain way, and if your build wasn't built for that way then your playthrough would be unbeatable.
I'm not against that, mind you. I thought it was funny that I actually made Fallout 1 unwinnable by going into The Glow with only two rad-x, because I felt like a big dick OG with my combat shotgun, but it's way too easy to do in AoD.
They thought they want these types of rpg's back, but they actually didn't.
>>340152606
Isometric is a terrible viewpoint for being immersed in a game and dice rolls have no place outside PnP games.
>>340154427
>YA GOTTA SAVE THE WORLD shit
Not really, if you make a deal with the demon life just goes on as usual, unlike in Dragonfall.
Most people seem to agree that Dragonfall is superior to HK, but why?
What went wrong?
>>340152606
>same pasta thread for lat least 6 months
for
what
purpose
>>340154603
HK is rife with sjw shit and has annoying party members.
>>340154132
Except the bloody switch is hidden separately from the other switches, inside a bush, down some stairs.
If you don't stumble across that switch (and why would you), you're shit out of luck, because there's absolutely no suggestion that you're not just mean to hit the switches in a certain order somehow, or that there's switches outside the area. You're left combing the area for this one particular switch.
>>340154639
is0bel is the only bad one though, ratgirl japanese zombie and sociopath terminator were great duncan is just boring
>>340154603
It's just more familiar RPG. Hong Kong banks a whole lot more on Chinese mythology and social structure. I did like two optional companions in Hong Kong way more than the main cast so that points to some weak writing, too.
Should I get Wasteland 2 or Fallout 4?
>>340154603
lack of appreciation
>mfw monster squad achievement
>>340154796
neither
>>340154603
hk was great. problem is most people played dragonfall dc first and dont remember how dragonfall was before the dc. the hk extended edition is just as good as dragonfall now.
>>340154796
Wasteland 2 is at least worth playing for Los Angeles, Fallout 4 is not worth shit.
>>340154796
They're very different games and aren't really comparable at all except for their setting.
>>340154796
Neither. Not even shitposting. Fallout 4 is dissapointment of the year and Wasteland 2 just isn't fun to play. Sure you get customizable character portraits but the RP of the G ends right the fuck there.
>>340154940
How is Fallout 4 a disappointment?
If you expected anything other than just about what we got after Fallout 3 from fucking BETHESDA you might have brain damage.
>>340154603
>What went wrong?
Didn't have missions as good as Dragonfall, obviously.
Plus the pace was better. Wasn't drowning in NPCs' problems all day.
HK was fantastic, though. Dragonfall was just better.
>>340154742
Personally I disagree, but I'm somewhat more familiar with the mythology they were working with.
If anything, if it was just the unfamiliarity of it alone I'd put HK over Dragonfall, since they're handling something interesting instead of Dragons, Satan and pinches of the Norse, which was okay in it's own right, but Shadowrun doesn't do anything new.
>>340154796
Fallout 4 is a typical Bethesda game where no fucks were given to game system design and Wasteland 2 is closer to Fallout Tactics than any mainline Fallout game
Age of Decadence is the best post-apocalypse settting game
>>340154662
>pirates boobytrapped their entrance with fake switches
>how dare they make me think twice and explore the region
Shit man, there's only one little offshoot from the main platform to explore, you can see the switch from the platform, and it is NOT in a bush. I can understand why you struggled on it because it isn't just thrown at your face, but if you put even just a small amount of effort into it, it was plain obvious.
>>340154940
>Fallout 4 is dissapointment
That implies you had expectations for 4.
You didn't right..?
>>340152606
I fucking hate Isometric bullshit, but even I enjoyed Dragonfall. I was interested in Serpent in the Staglands too but never got to try it. Pillars is straight up garbage though.
>>340155078
>>340154662
Oh, and you can see from the flipping screenshot that there were more switches off of the platform, like the one at the foot of the stairs. There were at least a half dozen off of the main platform - 3, iirc, on that little beach part alone.
>>340152606
Age of Decadence 8/10
Divinity 5/10
Serpent in the Staglands 5/10
Shadowrun 1/10
Dragonfall 2/10
Hong Kong 2/10
Pillars of Eternity 2/10
Underrail 6/10
Wasteland 2 2/10
The problem is that they have no imagination, can't design gameplay, can't write and can't draw.
>>340155015
>>340155086
I wanted to play more Fallout, and I had $60 left over from selling a CS:GO drop.
I just wanted to beleive.] at least the character creator was good
>>340154852
I wish the bonus campaign was better integrated into HK, though. It hinges heavily on how much you care about certain events very early on in the main campaign and I really didn't that much.
>>340155201
why is the archduke driving his own car
i mean i know there's a lot more going on in this picture but why
How many years later now? and still no modern western rpg that can touch DAO
come on boys step your game up
>>340155340
>>340154041
>>340154603
>>340155135
How the fuck do I start liking Dragonfall? I can live with the horrible RNG combat (even though it seems like the percentages shown are wrong and don't take into account (de)buffs), but I just find it boring or something.
>>340155078
>>340155171
I'm puzzled by this.
This was one of my favorite thing about D:OS. It doesn't hold your hand, you have to figure shit out. It was great.
THE RADIO
>>340154742
>dat feel when literally the only challenging fight in the entire game if you go up against both sides
>>340155405
Well if you don't like the quest, the dialog and the settings you're out of luck.
>>340155408
Mine too. But the switches in the cove are always criticized as bad design, while I say its bad players. I've seen it claimed that "you must hit all of them to open the door, including hidden ones" as well as "you'll never find it because it's hidden in a bush and there's no hints." People are just plain silly. The puzzle was fine.
>>340155505
Sending those signals, sending those signals
Sending those signals, those digital signals
Sending those signals, sending those signals
Sending those signals, those digital signals
>>340155405
>Horrible RNG combat
Really.
What class/party you rolling?
GREAT TIER
Pillars of Eternity > Underrail > Shadowrun: Dragonfall
GOOD TIER:
Shadowrun: Hong Kong > Divinity: Original Sin > Lords of Xulima > Serpent in the Staglands > Wasteland 2
GARBAGE TIER:
Shadowrun Returns > Age of Decadence
>>340155621
Mostly melee street samurai. If I'm far away from an enemy, the melee attacks literally always always miss, no matter what the hit % is. Is it a bug/wrong % shown, or am I just unlucky as fuck? All the other attacks seem to work as expected from a RNG, but the melee attacks are completely fucked.
I actually think the combat is okay except for this.
>>340155538
I haven't done that many quests yet, so it might turn out okay after all, if they get better.
>>340156103
>If I'm far away from an enemy, the melee attacks literally always always miss
>>340152882
I don't remember Divinity being too difficult to play at all.
The hardest part was figuring out how to get through the mines. Also if you were like me who didn't optimize for AP, the snow/desert areas against those spiders fucking sucked.
I had reduced AP to move each turn, and for snow I kept slipping.
>>340152606
AoD: still on backlog
Divinity: it was not a bad game, but as a Divinity fan I can't help but feel somewhat disappointed
Serpent: still on backlog
Shadowruns: the graphics and the UI kill it for me, so much that I had to uninstall after an hour or so. So I'm not forming an opinion on them for now. It may as well happen that some years from now something will click and I'll be able to enjoy them.
PoE: I backed it, and I don't regret it. I could never get into isometric RPGs (with the exception of Divine Divinity, albeit that used a different perspective), they all looked abhorrent to me even back in the 90s. PoE served as a sort of ice breaker for me, and for this reason I got a lot of fun out of it. I might rate it somewhat differently now that I have more experience with the genre, but I don't want to.
Underrail: expected nothing, I thought I was just donating $15 for a good cause that does not interest me. But I got a game that is now one of my all time favorites.
Wasteland 2: not interested.
>>340156103
>If I'm far away from an enemy, the melee attacks literally always always miss
Well there's your problem.
But really, if I were you, I'd look into Adepting up.
Having you been throwing Glory at anyone to test her melee?
I was running something of a fist wizard and that worked out okay for me.
>>340155612
out of my way I'm watching television
>>340156285
Have you even played the game?
>>340156394
>Well there's your problem.
The char uses 1 AP to reach the enemy, then 1 AP to attack him, I don't really see how the distance should affect the hit chance the moment he's next to him.
>Glory
I'm not using her, as I can't see what massive advantages she has over my other party members.
>>340156854
She rips and tears the living shit out of everything.
>>340156854
>The char uses 1 AP to reach the enemy, then 1 AP to attack him, I don't really see how the distance should affect the hit chance the moment he's next to him.
Relax nigga, your phrasing was off is all.
>I'm not using her, as I can't see what massive advantages she has over my other party members.
Yeah, I almost always preferred other party members but I always had my decker for every mission just in case so that sorta puts me out of the loop regardless.
Still, maybe just take Glory on a mission, test her out (because if it's a bug it's more likely all your controllable characters instead of just your guy) then roll back afterwards and take your main party.
Otherwise, RNG hates you and pumping stats is the only way to help that.
>>340154742
Racter and Gaichu are the shit. Drugged up Gaichu in Heaven stance is death to individual targets and I don't think I have to say anything about Racter buffing up his drone. it's a shame that yes, they're way more interesting than the main characters who actually have impact on the story.
>Duncan
What was even his personality? Daddy issues and brother envy? Nice suppression and AoE with his abilities, though. Magnetic arm is a god-sent with proper positioning for reflecting grenades back.
>Is0bel
Fucking useless in a firefight, aside fr some accuracy things she can do, yet also absolutely mandatory unless you're a decker yourself.
>Gobbet
Subpar shaman-marksman hybrid with healing if you have no one else to do it. Her spirit abilities are kinda wasted considering you get few chances to summon any and only really fight them in notable number couple of times, like when you're fucking up Feng Shui in that one place.
>>340155201
>tfw when being austrian and getting buttmad everytime when seeing this picture
>>340154456
GOAT. Name one other game where I can become God.
>>340157368
>bonus campaign and you go up against those fucking walkers in the last combat encounter
>didn't disable some of them and had to fight all four
>mfw gaichu just rushes in and starts fucking them up while dodging their lasers
>>340157532
Dragons Dogma
>>340152606
Not much. People just expect the same "game plays itself" experience they get nowadays from AAA titles.
>>340152606
Shadowrun: Returns was legitimately bad
I couldn't force my way through it.
>>340153504
run a tabletop game. go on roll20 if you got nobody to play with
>>340156369
The hardest part is actually in the beginning areas; but that is typical for a cRPG.
What made casuals hate the game however, was not the combat but figuring out where to go and what to do. Some anon made a screenshot collection of all the casuals complaining about no quest markers but I don't have it.
>>340159097
>>340152606
DivOS is literally the greatest game made in the past 10 years. Dragonfall was pretty good. PoE was made by sjw cucks who are afraid of boobs. Haven't played others.
>>340157368
I think the problem is deckers are in general useless outside of the Matrix and specific jacking options because they're specialists. That's kinda what they do.
NOTHING
It's just /v/ who needs to meme about something.
All of them are legit good.
underrail was a genuine surprise for me, actually went and bought it after pirating, hope there's more of it in the future
>>340154427
I agree strongly. Let the story be small - your team, your competitors, a corporation, regional government. Trust in the strength of the IP. We don't need to always be engaged in grand conspiracies.
>>340154251
I think that if you had dreams that ended with your teeth falling out you would probably try and correct that.
The game tells you to go to sleep though, its an optional objective, why would you just ignore it?
I should be directing this at the steam forums, not you anon.
>>340152606
6 of those games were really fucking good OP.
You OK m8?
>>340152606
>>340152882
It really is impossible to please you guys, huh?
these games mask information as depth
>>340152606
Age of Decadence is my jam
OS was good fun too
>>340152606
One bad thing about all of them is they are all optimized like crap. PoE looks like a game made in 95 and it's harder to run than Skyrim with mods. Div OS is very CPU intensive etc. Crpgs generally have the worst optimization.
>>340152606
UnderRail > Divinity > SR:DF > Wasteland 2 > SR.
Has anyone seen the information for InSomnia/Copper Dreams?
>PoE
>That forced as fuck "deep philosophical quote"
>Game forces you to accept it as truth.
>>340152606
Nostalgia goggles fell off.
All the available data shows that the Hardcore gamers who bought these games never came close to finishing these games and barely play them.
Lemme guess they all play on GoG .
>>340160979
the only thing they could be happy is to go back in time, brainwash any memory of the game, and play it.
of course they will proceed to shit the game for being outdated
Make it happen, /v/, I want a comfy thread. ;-;
>>340161313
>>340161313
>>340161313
>>340156086
GREAT bait.
>>340152606
Of the three Shadowrun games only one sucked so not much, I guess?
>>340161720
>Lemme guess they all play on GoG .
Well, at least I do get all of my games from GOG, so...
Although AoD I bought directly from Iron Tower.
>>340154118
at least he got to make Kotor 2, but yeah, it was definitely a waste
>>340161640
I really want Copper Dreams to get funded. "Isometric" is not quite the word I like to see before my "Deus Ex", but it's not a bad start anyway.
Haven't been following InSomnia at all. Anything interesting or unusual about it?
