What exactly was the first sin?
>>340113567
Gwyn delaying the cycle of nature and creating an artificially lengthened Age of Fire.
It's quite obvious that the first sin was Gwyn linking the fire.
>>340113567
creating dark souls 2
>>340114027
DELETE THIS!!!
>>340113946
What if Gwyn didn't do that?
>>340114027
piss off kid, we're talking about the lore here
Gwynn linking the flame?
I feel that Gwynn might also be related to the undead curse and the darksigns, in an attempt to tie humans/the dark souls to the fate of the fire.
>>340114027
OHHHHH BUUURN
>>340114027
>>340114107
The natural order is age of the ancients -> age of fire (also known as age of the gods) -> age of dark (also known as age of humans)
If Gwyn hadn't link the fire then humanity would inherit the world, and darkness would consume everything.
And why is Aldia a scholar of it?
And why is it even considered a sin? I mean, what kind of higher being would you offend by it when even the gods of the series have actually nothing at all to do with the higher scheme and eternal cycle?
>>340113567
When the soulfag bought Scholar of The First Cuck™ and ate the including bucket of cum From Software™ including with purchase.
>>340114027
>>340114134
>Gwynn
At first it looked like a typo but you actually write "Gwynn"
>>340114027
>>340114224
What happens after age of dark?
>>340114027
Delusional PCuck, the first sin was releasing Souls games outside of Playstation platforms obviously. Which in turn ruined the Souls community forever.
aldia ds3 dlc when
>>340114027
>>340114229
>And why is it even considered a sin?
Because you're breaking the natural order of things? Like instead of letting a tree grow you burn it down.
>>340114268
Man I just realised I've been spelling that wrong, thanks.
The witch of Izalith attempting to recreate the First Flame through pyromancy, resulting in the proliferation of the race of Chaos Demons.
What Gwyn did was just another attempt to succeed where the witch failed, only Gwyn went far enough to trick humans into feeding the flames with their souls.
Maybe he got help from Nito in engineering the undead curse, but nobody really knows where it and the darksign came from, even three games into the series.
>>340114391
Nobody knows but I guess the world just ends. It also might be a full cycle, so after the age of dark the age of the ancients might happen again.
>>340114391
Darkness represents humans in Dark Souls lore, so it would be The Age of Men, because men are dark, evil
>>340114224
It's a cycle anyway
Walking away from the fire causes DS3 and everything turning grey and remaking the age of ancients
Eventually some hollows will find the Lord Souls and restart the whole thing
every action is meaningless
>>340114570
dark =/= evil
>>340114027
kek
Is linking the fire the cuck ending?
>>340114391Bloodborne,Bloodbornehappens.
>>340114494
Dark Souls III gives us a clue as to what the darksign truly is, remember the eclipse? It's a sign that the fire is fading, literally a dark sign.
>>340113567
Temptation. It's always the first sin.
Also beating the game grants you your place on the throne of Want. Another allusion to original sin (temptation).
>>340114723
Becoming the dark lord means you're a puppet for the Jews, I mean primordial serpents.
>>340113946
>>340114008
>>340114134
>>340114224
>In the beginning the Fire was linked.
This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move.
>>340114747
Congrats, you found the reference to Bloodborne.
>>340114570
Yeah I got that. My question was what will happen after dark man
>>340114391
It's a cycle, during the age of Dark the first flame will begin anew from its embers and the age of fire will start again, and then the first flame will begin to die out after a few centuries etc. etc. forever
Aldia and the Dark Souls 2 MC set off to find a way to end the cycle, but for some fucking reason Dark Souls 3 gives us no closure, it looks like the cycle just keeps going
>>340114747
That's a little too far-fetched don't you think?
>>340114027
Kek. Fuckin asshole.
>>340114769
Yeah, the symbolism is obvious.
What's more mysterious is how humans became branded with the darksign to create the cursed undead, doomed to rise again until they either lose their minds or become strong enough to fan the flame with their spirits, becoming unwitting servants of the gods in their scheme to dominate and diminish mankind, all the while being told it's because they are "chosen" to become "lords."
>>340114903
Humans rule the world instead of the lords
>>340114816
As opposed to becoming kindling for another age of human subservience to assholes?
>>340113946
>>340114008
>looks like a chaos monster tree bug
>USES FUCKING CHAOS FIRE
>gives no souls
>das 3 mentions the first of the Scholars brought the idea that linking the fire is bad with the Soul Stream discription
>lamo its about Gywn and not the chaos witches that tried to replicate the first flame and became chaos beasts
>>340114769
It was never a secret. The darksign is a ring of fire. That's what we call it in the real world when the moon eclipses the sun, leaving just the edges of the sun's corona visible. It symbolizes darkness almost completely engulfing the "light". So of course Miyazaki used it as the darksign.
>>340114747
Not fully convinced, but you've blown my mind a bit.
>>340114107
If Gwyn hadn't linked the flame, it would've died out punctually and Humans would've become the thriving race of the surface (who knows what would've happened to the gods, but without the first flame's power they likely wouldn't be able to resist a human uprising since humans thrive in the darkness, because their power comes from the dark soul)
Then after X amount of time, the first flame would come back and the gods would retake the surface and rule it again, until the flame dies again and so on
>>340114869
>>340114989
You're blind if you can't see that Dark Souls 3 is setting itself up as a Bloodborne pre-quel.
I was thinking. Could it be that the entirety of original Dark souls 2 was scrapped because they were planning to make it for PS4/xbone launch but then capcom told them to release it on old gen?
>>340115247
>Reused assets
Sure mate.
>>340115171
but chaos isn't even a factor in DaS2. Like I don't think they fucking mention it once, so that's obviously not the oh-so-great sin that they're referring to
>>340115250
I doubt it.
>>340114027
>this much samefagging
>>340115325
>dont even mention it
>not even once
lmao this cuck
>>340115247
can't even tell what's going on cause image quality so bad
>>340115047
I have this theory that hollow is the true nature of humanity, like that's how they were before they became into contact with the dark soul, so in that sense the darksign is and always will be within humanity, but it'll only trigger once the fire is fading, thus revealing their true self. If you think about it the darksign is actually working against the age of fire since when humans go hollow they lose the sense of anything, thus being incapable of linking the fire, maybe it's a natural defense mechanism to guarantee the age of dark will happen, but it never works as intended.
>>340115325
>Chaos isn't a factor in DaS2
Did you forget about the Old Chaos?
>>340115247
idiot.
>>340114027
Heh.
>>340115478
>theory
Aldia spells that out for you.
>>340113567
>>340114008
>>340113946
the first sin was gyndolin linking the first flame TO HUMANITY
>>340115247
There's a clear difference in referencing the game, and making them part of the same universe. Going by that logic then Demon's Souls is a prequel to Dark Souls.
>>340115478
Aldia says it outright.
https://youtu.be/fHV6yuZLMR4?t=187
>>340115456
There
>>340115302
>sulyvahn's beast
>they protect Aldrich, lord of cinder
>watchdog of the old lords
>they watch over eldritch truth
Do you just refuse to see the councidences?
>>340114027
>>340114027
JESUS CHRSIT KID
>>340115424
>>340115479
oh fuck you guys thats not fair, I never went and played the dlc of that shit game
>>340115391
think about it. How could they develop almost a full game and not know it wont run on the hardware they were developing it on? I suspect somewhere mid through development From made a deal with Sony to create bloodborne, so entire DS2 project got shafted.
>>340115325
Nigga the cat tells you about some woman who tried to pull a chaos witch. The Old Sinner is a man with a beard and has a chaos bug crawl into its eye when the fight starts. Take your guess which of the two mentioned above tried to relight the flame. Also Old Chaos was a thing in development by the time Aldia rolled around on all versions.
Next you are going to tell me Seath isn't part of the reincarnation cycle that is going on in DaS2 because hes a dragon.
>>340115478
>theory
I'm pretty sure this is heavily hinted to otherwise outright stated in either dark souls 2 or 3
>>340115841
Then why are you talking about something you clearly don't know anything about?
Dark Souls=Solar Eclipse
Bloodborne=Lunar Eclipse
>Once, the lord of light banished the dark, and all that stemmed from humanity. And men assumed a fleeting form. These are the roots of our world. Men are props on the stage of life, and no matter how tender, how exquisite...A LIE WILL REMAIN A LIE
So linking the fire caused humans to not be hollow any more? And this is bad because it's unnatural? But then why does gaining humanity reverse your hollowing instead of increasing it? And why would you want everyone to be hollow? And what does he mean when he talks about "Light, dark, or something else entirely"? How would you go about ending the cycle? I don't get any of this.
>>340115478
I dunno, but I really don't think so.
My main issue with this theory is that hollows apparently serve the gods, guarding their fortresses and strongholds and treating the "chosen" undead / ashen one with hostility.
It seems to me that humans are naturally powered by the dark soul, even while sentient, but the darksign and undead curse was somehow devised and employed by the gods as means of mind control. Kaathe states, for example, that Gwyn attempting to "shepard" the humans in an attempt to control them and prevent them from rising against him and his kindred.
It's never stated in the lore, but I wonder if Nito might be behind the curse itself, since he has power over life and death.
Like, maybe Gwyn came to him with this plan... Nito weaved the spell, Gwyn powered it with his sacrifice and the strength of his soul with the linking of the fire.
>>340115897
>Next you are going to tell me Seath isn't part of the reincarnation cycle that is going on in DaS2 because hes a dragon.
To be fair DaS2 gets alot wrong with dragons, including that. Dragon's don't have souls, so they can't reincarnate.
>>340114837
Kek/10
>>340113567
linking the flame wasnt?
>>340116035
It makes you wonder then, why did Gwyn hate humanity so much.
>>340114027
Rekt
>>340114027
>72 replies
>42 ips
Fuck off
>>340115841
Do it faggot.
The DLC is the only valuable part of that shit game.
>>340114027
>>340116197
because he knew they were going to eventually rise up and overthrow him.
>>340115787
>>340115531
>>340115629
I'm gonna laugh at all you people when the DLC confirms it.
Screen capping it guys,
Are Humanities Dark Souls?
Do you guys think From will announce DaSIII DLC at E3 next week? Remember that there will be a Kadokawa (yes) live presentation.
>>340116478
>when the DLC confirms it
The DLC can't confirm shit m8, Bloodborne is a Sony IP, Dark Souls III is a multiplatform game.
>>340116496
Humanity is the Dark Soul, yes
>>340116510
The first one comes out sometime in Fall or something, right? I wouldn't expect a preview this early.
>>340115302
>>340114747
>>340115224
Not just that. The Pontiff's bizarre profaned deep magic turns all of his followers that he casts out into beasts slowly, as seen with Vordt and the Outrider Knights. The Dogs are actually the full final form of the transformation, and are used as his Watchdogs.
In Bloodborne, the Pthumerians are identical to the Hollows in DaS3, and they used to have an old kingdom named Loran that got destroyed. Also, the Great Ones all resemble sea creatures, and at least one, and potentially all of them, come from the deep sea, as seen with Kos in the DLC.
Finally, the Bone Ash Set's Hat description reads
"The long, pointed hat is a symbol of the old keepers
and is considered evidence of their companionship,
forged in a certain sin."
The hat is pointed and tall, much like that of the Izalith witches, and the item set mentions worshipping flame. A certain sin... Ash.. Fire...
Hmm
>>340116478
>'in the beginning cinematic'
>not just 'Ash lake'
>>340116738
September, and honestly I don't see why not, Dark Souls II DLC was announced like 5 months before the first one released.
>>340115629
>Demon's Souls is a prequel to Dark Souls.
Correct.
>>340116407
Sunken King best dlc, fite me.
The bosses in the old iron king were the best tho.
>>340116815
You're sound just like those idiots who insist that Lordran is the land of the Giants mentioned in Demons Souls.
>>340116956
Definitely
>>340116815
>Also, the Great Ones all resemble sea creatures, and at least one, and potentially all of them, come from the deep sea
Huh? I thought it was implied they all came from space, no?
>>340116197
Gwyn was jealous of the dragons because they could live forever, while he knew he could not. So he killed them along with the other lords.
With the passing of time the first flame begins to fade and with it the lifeforce and power of the lords.
Seeing his death swiftly approaching and realising that the humans with their dark souls would continue to live on in an age of dark, Gwyn cursed them.
>>340117096
So Gwyn was the bad guy after all?
>>340116885
No, it was announced in June and released in July.
The age of fire and the age of dark cycle and come one after the other in perpetuity.
During the age of dark human beings roam aimlessly around and turn into tree-like beings and eventually into archtrees.
In the event that they find the flame and the lord souls they become lords/gods and rule over others until the flame extinguishes again.
The primordial serpents are beings that were once powerful individuals that found a way to survive the changing of the ages by changing their form into one of a serpent/angel and now simply exist to steer events in whatever way they wish.
>>340114027
Base game was shit but Scholars was alright, still not worthy of paying twice and the Dark Souls 2 name.
>>340116815
They burned themselves to ash because that was the only way to stop the beast plague from taking them over.
The connections between souls games and bloodborne are fleeting and farfetched at best, they're clearly just cheeky references.
>>340117348
I'm talking about the Season Pass announcement though, which happened much earlier.
>>340116815
Not to mention the Bone Ash set straight up mentions the linking of the flane and the ashen ones.
>>340116407
My ps3 is broken, If I want to replay I'd have to buy Sotfs on steam and then replay the entire game up until the DLC entrances
I don't know if I'll be able to stand that. Maybe if it goes on sale.
Can't wait until he shows up in the Londor DLC.
>>340116967
Not even close.
The Land of the Giants had zero connection to Lordran. Loran has a near identical name, and was populated by a race identical to the Hollows that overran Lordran, a race with also possesses pyromancers that worship flame and mourn an old sin, snake people, dogs identical to the Pontiff's, and as of DS3, have an unfortunate habit of turning into beasts through magic.
>>340117093
Humans think they did, but Kos at least canonically comes from the sea and is a Great One. The alien-like Kin are all church experiments too, not aliens. Ebrietas dwelled in a labyrinth and resembled sea creatures as well.
Only outliers are Moon Presence and Odeon, the latter of which can't be from space because he's present in ALL BLOOD, and Moon Presence kinda just chills in his pocket dimension anyway so who knows what's up.
>>340116496
Humanity are little bits and pieces of the greater Dark Soul
>>340115153
Who? No gods are alive age of fire just lets everyone be fire.
I guess you prefer hollows and humanity monsters which is fine.
>>340117215
He just acts in his own interests and is a somewhat petty god.
>>340117093
Great ones come from wherever the fuck they want. Deep sea, other dimensions, or literally right over your heads the whole time.
>>340117462
See>>340117504
>>340117441
>Hollows
>people turning into trees in dark souls 3
>Aldia turned into a tree
What ifash lake is full of hollow trees because that's what hollows yurn into eventually?
>>340117215
Nah, he was noble but misguided.
>>340113567
fucking
jerking it to a little kid
>>340116815
>The hat is pointed and tall, much like that of the Izalith witches
?
>>340117504
Wait, so is it actually confirmed Bloodborne and Dark Souls lie in the same universe, just kept in so that from doesn't get in legal trouble?
>>340117764
What if the primordial world was just the end of another cycle, with the trees and dragons transformed undead and the grey crags ash from the first flame burning?
>>340117764
It's possible, the Bed of Chaos was the result of the Witch of Izalith trying to recreate life, and it's pretty much a tree. The old chaos as seen in Crown of the Ivory King is also tree-like.
>>340115772
DS2 was so great.
>>340117974
No, they're just references.
>>340118140
References to Dark Souls and Bloodborne sharing the same world
>>340118038
Well too bad we'll never know because DaSIII was the last Souls game.
>>340117764
Except Linking the fire doesn't grant eternal life, it kills you and turns you into kindling.
Pthumerians were simply super pyromancers that used fire for all sorts of silly shit, because fire is the best way to stop the beast plague. Note how Pthumeru is basically beast free and Loran is literally covered in beasts.
There is nothing connecting Souls and Bloodborne, it's all just glancing references at best.
Miyazaki should release a book explaining the lore behind Dark Souls.
>>340118223
what the fuck is that thing?
>>340118239
>Except Linking the fire doesn't grant eternal life, it kills you and turns you into kindling.
Except when you fail to correctly link the flame and turn into an ashen one, essentially obtaining immortality, as stated by Miyazaki.
>>340118407
That would defeat the entire point of Souls storytelling which was, as intended, with shit intentionally left out so that you could make up stuff. Yet people take it as if there is an answer to everything.
>>340118425
A maggot under a microscope.
>>340118425
It's a fly larvae under a microscope.
>>340118429
>as stated by Miyazaki.
>>340118620
I don't see the problem though, he could release a book years after the last game came out, when nobody would be giving a shit about the lore anyway.
>>340114027
savaj
>>340118407
Miyazaki entire M O is being vague as fuck so you can make the story
that's how he did it when he was a little ladcan yoyu imagine a young big M grabbing The Shadow over Innsmouth and going full eyes on the inside
>>340118620
Nice Aurelia sp.
>>340116815
Dude, please stop.
There are similarities in dark souls 3 and bloodborne's lore with aldrich because each boss is a "thematic" representative of a different game
Yhorm is demons souls, aldrich is bloodborne, abyss watchers are dark souls 1, twin princes are dark souls 2.
In an alternate reality, where aldrich won, maybe the scenario would look something like Bloodborne, but aldrich didn't win.
Most importantly however, dark souls and bloodborne are completely different IP's owned by separate groups, they can't legally be related.
>>340113567
to live
So are we going to see what "the Deep" is actually like in the DLC?
>Sonyggers don't realize that japs have no interest in actual universe building, and all connections are pure fan-service because that's the only thing they care about
>>340119037
Thanks m8
>>340119038
>abyss watchers are dark souls
I would argue AW are more Bloodborne-heavy than Dark Souls, given that the helmet with the mouth covering looks like hunter hat and the fire effect is straightbup maria.
>>340119240
>we might actually get to see a finished version of Ask Lake
>>340119240
Yeah, we get to see what the deep is once we get acces toa ps4 and play Bloodborne
>>340119351
Plus, they drink blood to hunt the things they turn into because they drank blood.
>>340119240
isn't the deep an abyss sec that became a dumping ground for bad shit?
>>340119351
Are you joking?
They look nothing alike.
>>340119351
they are dark souls because they are artorias fan club members
it's more likely that farron was the chosen undead who carried out the cleansing of oolacile and then set up the gay little club around it
>>340119761
They are two completely different designs. And what your cropped picture doesn't show is that AW's have an awkward height to theirs. While the Hunters are as short and functional as you can get. I think you're just seeing vaguely similar fronts and then filling in the rest with fan-fic delusions.
>>340119980
The abyss watchers are 100% inspired by the hunters of Bloodborne. Holy fuck they were even resurrected by blood. Fuck off.
>>340119980
Not him but if you can't tell Abyss Watchers were a nod to bloodborne you're blind
>>340116478
I also like how the final boss of ds3 was on top of an ancient tree. And the boss could transform weapons...I kinda want to believe
>>340119980
>I think you're just seeing vaguely similar fronts and then filling in the rest with fan-fic delusions.
Nigga calm the fuck down, all I said was that Abyss Watchers are obviously Bloodborne inspired.
>Same face covering
>same fire effects as those in the maria fight
>hunt each other down at the first sight of bad blood or abyss while not realizing they carry that same bad blood
>all their blood floats up in the air and reinforces one of them
Never mind the first sin, what I want to know is who was it that prophesies the Chosen Undead leaving the asylum in the first Dark Souls? Because it doesn't make much sense. Think about it, the only reason the prophecy came true is because someone heard the prophecy and helped the undead escape.
>>340120210
theyre closer to Arty actually.
General likeness
Big sword
Fast move sets
Abyss obsessed
>>340120242
>a nod
DS3 dev started before bb dev you delusional sonygger
>>340116054
Nothing had souls until Nito/Gywn/Witch/Manlet found the first four and were functionally just hollows sitting in dark grey trees. Its not a hard stretch to say that Seath became part of the cycle by willing accepting a soul. Not to mention the soul has changed from when it was first bequeathed to him.
Also Manscorpion Tark.
>>340120607
>theyre closer to Arty
Doesn't change the fact their design is Bloodborne inspired
>DS3 dev started before bb dev you delusional sonygger
Because we know 100% the Abyss Watcher fight was the first thing the devs worked on since day one of Dark Souls 3 development.
"the deep" isn't bloodborne, it's also not neccesarily the same as "the deep sea in aldrich's visions" in the context of dark souls 3's events and story
the deep is possibly a sea formed of humans
you collect human dregs for aldrich's covenant, the "heaviest part of the body" you would think water, that sinks to the "deepest depths imaginable", in addition, McDonnell's great deep soul describes the cathedral's stagnating souls, presumably those of the masses of corpses and flesh writhing around.
Human dregs look like water/humanity, and are given to McDonnell in the "water reserve", but why would he want them to be put in a reserve of water?
Perhaps the plan was to store the watery souls of humans to create this "sea" who knows
Either way, the reason the deep isn't neccesarily the same terminology as the "deep sea" is because it is implied that the events and actions of the deep have taken place beforehand, the cathedral of the deep is originally related to the way of the white, dedicated to sealing away the horrors of the deep and the "grotesqueries" surrounding it.
I personally think the deep in this context is simply a way to describe the time in which aldrich exercised his absolute power, whether it be as a lord of cinder or not, and the cathedral of the deep was originally meant to just keep him protected and sealed away, before becoming corrupted
>>340120464
A ridiculously absurd connection point.
I guess Yhorm and the Giants are BB nods as well.
From have reused much of their fire stuff from Des to ds3
And you're forgetting their actual fucking lore of having gone insane from being corrupted. That's why they slaughter eachother because they have no real clue what's what
>>340120607
It's like you're just refusing to see obvious references because "muh sonnynyger bloodborne takes place on the same universe" boogeyman. No one is even implying their design being a bloodborne reference means they take place on the same universe.
>>340114598
its a cycle cause gwyn linked the fire
>>340121028
No I'm just refuting their BB connection or inspiration. Blood has an actual lore point with Farron. And you faggots knee-jerking because of BLOOD is ridiculous.
If you really wanted to have a chance at arguing you'd have brought up the wolf of farron
>>340121002
>I guess Yhorm and the Giants are BB nods as well.
Do they wear the same head gear and blood is a big part of their character.
Also, what does lore have to do with anything. Patches is in all games and makes no sense lore-wise, but heMs obiously a reference from puts in all of their games.
>>340120512
Frampt spread the "prophecy" to encourage people to prove their worth so he could get them to link the fire.
And you act as if self-fulfilling prophecies haven't been around since forever. Ever read Oedipus?
>>340120417
I thought the boss switched weapons and styles because it was an incarnation of previous undead that linked the Flame. It makes more sense to me that it is possibly a previous undead you may have played as, because of all the bosses in the series the soul of cinder felt like it's skills and attacks were closest to the options available for us to use.
>>340120932
>the deep is possibly a sea formed of humans
So you mean its like a human version ofDogscape?
>>340121343
I'm not even gonna keep arguing with a retard who just refues to see an ovious reference because he's too afraid people will use that to connect bloodborne to Dark Souls. Have fun blindingly ignoring things in front of your face
>>340121372
Their hats aren't even close to being the same.
Your obsession with bb relations is making you delusional.
>>340121343
Not even him but go online and you'll see we're not the only people who see the Bloodborne inspiration in avyss watcher. You can deny it all you want, doesn't change the fact that most people agree their design was inspired by bloodborne.
>>340114943
>for some reason
Ultimately, you can't do anything about the cycle because even a darklord will die and the cycle will begin anew after an age of dark.
The only other option is usurping the flame. it's hard to say whether this has been done before in the souls universe, because it seems like the denizens of lothric/prince lothric are just now finally understanding the true nature of hollows/humanity. My bet is Dark souls 3 is just one of the many ages, and there have been many more ages more horrific than we have even seen. At least that's how I like to think of it.
>>340121842
Hello vatti.
I'd still like an attempt at trying to refute them being closer to Arty than the hunters though. Because they have a lot more to him and sif.
>>340121343
Holy fuck you're literally slapped in the face with the truth and still deny it like a little faggot. Stop being such little faggot.
>>340122202
>slapped in the face
Them yelling BUT THE BLOOD in my face over and over is not the truth. And their clothes are nothing similar. not sure how that's even a thing
>>340122050
>same head gear
>blood healing
>fire weapons
>hunt each other at the first sight of bad blood
>serve a literal wolf
>protect a literal chalice dungeon
Wether they are more inspired by artorias or bloodborne hunters it sounds like you're just in the denial of their bloodborne inspiration.
Just go to a Dark Souls general or make a dark souls thread and ask if they are a bloodborne nod and if you get more answers saying they aren't than saying they are I'll accept there is no connection. Otherwise, stop neglecting obvious inspirations.
![latest[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/Fk58s8I.jpg "latest[1].jpg")
>>340114224
>>340115230
DO NOT TRUST THE SERPENTS.
The order is:
>Age of unchanging
>Age of Fire
>Age of unchanging
>repeat forever
The fire fuels everything, INCLUDING humanity and the dark souls. The fire fading is what causes the undead. The more it fades, the more undead. If the fire fades completely, then the world eventually just reverts to what we saw in the beginning of Dark Souls' promo. An unchanging world of dragons, craig trees and hollows. The fire eventually reboots given enough time on its own.
Gwyn artificially lengthened it by using himself as fuel. Others have kept it going. DS3 is the farthest the fire has gone without new fuel, so it was starting to decay into an unchanging world.
>>340119980
>>340120607
>>340121002
>>340121343
>>340121774
>never
:3
>ever
;3
>>340122436
Their hats are different, have you people actually played both games?
Okay.
>fire weapons
Not a valid point.
That's corruption.
Wew, atleast you listen to something I say.
Catacombs arent a chalice dungeon.
If blood didn't have any significance in their lore I'd be inclined to agree that one thing.
>>340122392
>Them yelling BUT THE BLOOD in my face over and over is not the truth
>Them telling me how the abyss watchers's design compares to bloodborne is not the truth
>them explaining how something works is not the truth as long as I deny it
Wew
>>340122740
The chalice dungeons are literally catacombs. Play the fucking game or shut the fuck up about it.
>>340121558
that was the idea. BB doesnt have a trick weapon that has more than 2 forms either
>>340122447
>craig trees
I'm not doing this.
>>340116034
>So linking the fire caused humans to not be hollow any more?
Yes. The Lords and Humans started as Hollows. They found the First Flame and became Lords or humans.
>And this is bad because it's unnatural?
The "natural" order of the world is unchanging world for most everything punctuated by brief ages of fire.
>But then why does gaining humanity reverse your hollowing instead of increasing it?
The Dark Soul was found in the First Flame. It is a soul powered by the Fire just like the Lord Souls. It can be split seemingly infinitely. Each human has one upon birth. The Curse is just the Fire weakening, and humans losing their humanity, returning to hollows.
>>340122740
>corrupted blood and corrupted souls
>nothing about the two are remotely the same
>>340122740
I'm gonna say this once and only once because people have told you this over and over and you just keep ignoring them:
NO ONE is saying Bloodborne and Dark Souls lore connects through abyss watchers. Everyone is mentioning how their design is reminiscent of Bloodborne much like Artorias was a nod to Demon's Souls Penetrator or how Watcher of old lords and sulyvahn beasts are a nod to berserk's inner beast.
Reference=/=lore connection and no one is even implying it where the abyss watchers conversation concerns. Stop using lore to try to explain how something is not a reference because I'm sure Siegmeyer is not lore connected to that dude that looks like him in berserk, yet he is obviously inspired in design by it.
>>340113567
Dark Souls 2
>>340122740
>have you people actually played both games?
We know you haven't
>>340123234
The annoying thing is that he's not even arguing that they are connected lore wise. He's being a giant faggot and flat out denying that the abyss watchers are inspired by the hunters of Bloodborne.
>>340116054
>including that. Dragon's don't have souls, so they can't reincarnate.
But every time you get to phase 2 in the Nameless King fight, technically, the dragon resurrects after each of your deaths.
If the DLC isn't Londor, I'll lose all respect for Miyahackzi
>>340123638
Holy fuck 10/10 post anon wew
>>340114837
Dont forget ur towel m80
>>340123493
Or they could both have been developed at around the same time and the ideas could have been thrown around and utilised in different ways
just like chester was a prototype for various traits in bloodborne, obviously changed through the development as crossbows were never a thing in the end
>>340114224
so like right now we are the age of dark?
>>340123638
>Miyahackzi
Someone contact the burn ward. Damn anon how did you even come up with that LMAFO
>>340122740
Here is a bunch of people in another thread who are not blind and see the connection, just so that you can't use "muh sonnyger lore boogeyman." Why don't you gi and argue with them about how they are not a bloodbotne reference :^)
>>340122692
>>340122717
>>340123058
>>340123218
>>340123620
>>340123657
>>340121343
So after all this did you finally change your opinion or did you just run away like a little bitch?
>>340124462
He just went to the other threads and kept saying the same thing about how they are lore connected to artorias, essentially ignoring what >>340123234 said about lore having nothing to do with the conversation. Someone else also said AW were not a reference to bloodborne, but to brotherhood of the wolfwhich bloodbonre uses to base off the hinter attire, but I guess that means it's not a bloodborne reference.
>>340114027
Meh it was ok. Had the best armor set in any Souls game.
>>340114027
fucking btfo
>>340125040
There isn't enough desert sorceress porn
OKAY GUYS I FIGURED THIS OUT
Demon's Souls; bad ending. Old One sticks around and the colourless fog consumes the world. Millions of years pass. ENTER THE AGE OF ANCIENTS. Dark Souls 1-3 happens. And maybe, just maybeactually almost certainly notDS3 DLC will show that "the Deep" is housing the Lovecraftian horrors of Bloodborne. Or something, I don't know, it's late.
Really I just wanted an excuse to post the best Souls track
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ESqvGzdnvs
>>340125471
>best souls track
>Not Ludwig's
admittedly TOWCS is one of the best tracks
>>340125210That's the firekeeper.
>>340126413
Oh
My point still stands though
>>340126297
Ludwig's track is pretty overrated imo.
>>340116478
>tfw thought, based on the other NPCs that reference the dream, those "archtrees" were just parallel Hunter's Dreams
y tho
>>340126669
I think it's the while package that seals the deal.
Good fight and atmosphere, good build up, the midway cutscene, the fucking moonligh greatsword that actually mattering in the lore. It all comes together nicely, as opposed to tracks which are just good, but don't have the ither stuff going for it.
>>340126297
Ludwig's theme is pretty great but the best boss music is Gwyn, Lord of Cinder IMO. I'm a sucker for piano pieces in vidya.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AB6sOhQan9Y
>>340116815
>The hat is pointed and tall, much like that of the Izalith witches
????
>>340118429
>he thinks Unkindled had previously made it to the Kiln, instead of dying like a chump to an early boss then going hollow
lol
>>340123072
>The Curse is just the Fire weakening, and humans losing their humanity, returning to hollows.
I don't think so. Why are there humans who are not undead? And if losing their humanity is the source of the curse, then what's the dark sign all about?
>>340127516
>Why are there humans who are not undead?
The fire still has power, just less. It means that some of the Dark Souls fade away.
What is the point of unkindled ones, there is no gameplay or lore differences between them and any old undead.
>>340114027
replying to an epic post
>>340114392
sonyponies always injecting their identity politics into discussion tldr bait
