How do we fix horror genre?
>>340096260
Stop ripping off Amnesia and PT
>Make it about the horror of the creature/ambiance/situation
>focus on a scary soundtrack overall,not only on high pitches during the jump scare
>dark=/=scary
>new settings that aren't asylum,horror town,zombieland,etc
>more high risk high reward like the early REs making you have to decide if it's wise to fight or run certain situations
>make a good plot that doesn't relay on the police or some scientists being stupid
>>340096260
R.I.P.
I loved that weirdo's videos
It always sounded like he was saying "A WHORE" to me.
Terrify, don't horrify.
Horror = showing grizzly scenes. Quickly becomes boring
Terror = letting the player's imagination do all the work
>>340096394
How many PT ripoffs are there?
>>340097424
Horror can work if you have the right kind of protagonist for it, namely one that can't mentally handle the shit they're in. Even if you aren't horrified by the events unfolding, there's a certain thrill in watching other, weaker willed chatacters struggling to cope. Corpse Party in most instances is actually a pretty good example of this.
Take the survival out of survival horror
>>340096936
what happened?
>>340098201
He drank himself to death.
>>340097793
Layers of Fear
Allison Road
>>340096260
making games that are something else besides "jump scare: the game" since after a couple of times it starts to wear off on the player and playing it just becomes tedious
study film
>>340096260
>tfw no Kojima/del Toro/Ito game
It's already dead.
>>340098430
Give me a feeling of not wanting to dare go somewhere like going underwater in the ocean.
I'm too scared to dive in video games when it's deep water.
Give me that vibe with horror games.
No more ghosts
>>340097901
>Corpse Party
Every time someone tries to sell me on it, I always put off by the constant
>"Eeeeeeeeh!?"
>"Kyaaaaaaa!"
by the characters. It's unbearable. Sometimes I think "Corpse Party is a good horror" is just a meme.
>>340098587
Play SOMA, it's literally set at the bottom of the ocean. There are sections where you explore pitch black depths with no sunlight.
Also the story is pretty good if you are into existentialism and the definition of being human.
>>340098201
He's dead.
Too much focus on psychological horror thanks to silent hill. We need more gross horror games.
I've always wanted to make a horror game where most of the enemies and bosses are fucked up photoshopped nightmares. (I know /v/ likes to pretend they hate undertale, but flowey is a good example on how to make a fucked up boss. No edgy psychological shit, no emo garbage, just a fucked up evil monster)
>>340098301
wow youre right
I thought it was a part of the lore but no, he died from alcohol abuse. shitty.
Someone should try subtle horror in otherwise normal environments
Imagine if you were playing a gta like game and in the middle of the woods you found a giraffe made of straw or something, it would be super spooky
>>340099426
Are you implying that your pic is scary in any way?
Because it's really not.
There's nothing wrong with the horror genre
You just grew up and aren't a pussy anymore
There are many games that don't rely on jumpscares
>>340099573
Again, Contrarian edgelords unite!
>>340099573
it's creepier in motion and it's a stark contrast from the rest of the game.
But if you present it as "THIS IS SCARY" without the context is' obviously not.
It's basically just trying to be Gygas.
>>340099698
I don't think you know what "contrarian" means.
You are starting to get your memes all mixed up, it's time for you to take a break.
>>340099426
>flowey
>no edgy psychologial shit, no emo garbage
bait 101
>>340098301
>>340099297
What?
Who was he anyway? I always found his stuff slightly below nightmare fuel but I didn't know he died
>>340100345
he was some edgy as fuck "artist", you know, the retarded "slam poetry"-ish artist that sprawned from 1985 and later
made "creepybait" videos because he thought it was art or abstraction or just some stupid shit like that
Shae video game when?
>>340096260
Dunno, it seems like the current state of horror is what the majority WANTS, rather than our minority desires.
People just don't want to feel actual disgust or fear, they want to have a thriller that they can consider fun at the same time. Can't blame them, since it's a pretty small minority of people that really get enjoyment from body horror and other things like that.
It's almost as if the current market serves the majority, and you guys didn't vote with your wallets on atmospheric horror games yet expected them to survive, huh?
>>340100938
Fuck off goobergater
>>340099426
>That smile
Is that intentionally creepy as fuck or just wanted to look weird?
More FNAF games, duh!!!
>>340096260
Skin tape for my condition
swap "indie adventure" and "horror" labels around
>>340099426
>No edgy psychological shit, no emo garbage,
either you didn't finish the game or you're just a silly sally
Are you still doing that hand thing?
>>340098342
>Remember reading about Allison Road
>See your post
>Decide to see how development is going
>It's cancelled
HA
>>340100053
>/v/ used to like undertale
>suddenly it gets popular
>"W-WE DON'T LIKE IT ANYMORE! /V/ ISN'T A HIVEMIND! GET OUT REEEEE!"
Definition of contrarian.
>>340101718
Like pottery
>>340099217
soma needed more places like the abyss for being set in the middle of the ocean
also all the underwater creature designs suck except for the anglerfish
>>340101742
fuck off shill
>>340099818
>its scary because it looks different from the rest of the game
Loving this meme.
I'd like to see something to do with body horror. Saya no Uta comes to mind but that's not a real video game.
Someone should work on a dogscape game.
>>340101915
And this is why video games are dead, folks.
>>340098587
Sounds like Subnautica.
It's not oficially a horror, but for me it's scary as fuck.
>>340096260
Bring more Fatal Frame games to the US.
>>340102325
Not if Nintendo is localizing.
>>340096260
Don't rely on cheap jump scares
Make ammo and health items scarce
Story should focus on characters instead of lol corporations/gubbermint/conspiracies
Ditch VR. Yeah, it's good for some things, but it's a cheap gimmick for horror.
You know what my favorite horror element is?
A giant thing that just... sits there. It doesn't do anything. It doesn't react or even gets acknowledged. It's not even an enemy.
It just exists.
Bunker 16 is a good horror game
most of the horror comes from you making yourself scared
atmosphere is more important than jumpscares
>>340099426
>No edgy psychological shit, no emo garbage
You're a moron who doesn't understand a thing about what you're talking about.
Could we make a driving horror game? I could see a survival horror game about driving cross country during the "mop-up" phase of an alien invasion where they've employed the use of bioengineered alien bloodhounds or terror drones or some shit. Could be semi-open world where you're pretty free to go anywhere but the main and only objective aside from finding food and gas is to get to the last standing city.
The ideal solution would be purely psychological stuff, like Scratches, in which there isn't even a need for a threat to keep the player tense.
However, if you must introduce a threat, death cannot be a simple case of a reload and trying again, because that completely defuses any tension. That's why I think that if you are going to make a horror game with something that can kill you, then death should be permanent.
For example,
>First person survival horror game
>You have a single handgun and ammo is extremely rare, maybe about 20 rounds in total can be found during the entirety of the game
>Gun handling works like it does in Receiver, with every action being manually executed by the player
>This also extends to aiming, which is completely freeform, meaning you can even aim the gun at yourself which brings us to the main gimmick of the game
>If the monster kills you, it's game over and you have to start over from the very beginning
>If you shoot yourself instead, you can continue playing from the last checkpoint you've reached
>The gun can also be used to shoot the creature to cause it to flinch in pain and allowing you time to flee and hide
>Ammo used to kill yourself will not be refunded upon continuing
>>340103010
That sounds fantastic, especially if it has Vive compatibility. Did you steal that idea from anything or did you make it up yourself?
>>340096260
Stop cancelling g games.
>>340099426
>edgy
The word you're looking for is pretentious.
>>340101667
RIP VIDYA4CHAN
>>340103201
Just an idea I've been posting in these types of threads whenever one pops up.
>>340100345
He was an artist who focused on the uncanny valley.
There was an anon in a thread who said that his videos were incredibly similar to the mental state of intense alcohol abuse, which when you consider how he died makes it a lot more interesting.
>>340100473
>Having shit taste in the 21st century
Inexcusable
>>340101784
A true Silent Hills rip off
>>340102838
No, you're right anon. Horror games shouldn't be scary. They should be artistic, pretentious, and filled with psychological babble.
Mmhmm.
>>340102863
Samefagging to add on to the idea. A lot of the game would be driving for long stretches with the threat of an ambush at any time. Maybe it could have some sort of radio so the protagonist can interact with someone already at the city who may or may not just be an alien AI attracting survivors to a deathtrap.
You could also get out of the car. On foot gameplay would be like RE4 with less wonky controls and much much less ammo. Protag would also be an average dude, so no roundhouse kicks and shit.
I kind of see it paced like the coast levels from Half Life 2, where you're free to stop at various places to restock on supplies but you might have to deal with some enemies, too.
breaking the fourth wall never fails to terrify me
>>340103894
Except what you posted wasn't scary. It was a clusterfuck of random things.
>>340102863
>>340103919
I forget what it was but there was in fact a horror racing game.
>>340104116
If you didn't know that picture came from undertale you wouldn't pretend to be so jaded. A lot of people find it uncanny.
>>340096915
What did you think of alien isolation? I think it fits many of your points well
>>340104540
>If you didn't know that picture came from undertale you wouldn't pretend to be so jaded.
Please stop projecting.
It isn't scary. It's just random things.
>A lot of people find it uncanny.
Seems like you are the only one.
Next you'll tell me LSD Dream Emulator is "scary".
Weird =/= scary.
>>340099426
Whose eyes are those?
NO
MORE
AUDIO DIARIES OR SIMILAR SHIT
>>340106465
fuck you
i love notes and diaries and shit
>>340096260
STUPID PIECE OF TRASH
>>340106658
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MWx2P8fGfwg
Old youtube was amazing. I miss it.
>>340099176
This is why I can't get into anime. I'm always afraid someone's going to hear it so I get embarrassed and quickly turn it off
>>340103978
You jest but Eternal Darkness did it right.
Anyone else want a caving horror game. The ocean depths doesn't really freak me out, but potentially getting stuck in a tight space underground terrifies me.
Probably not a popular opinion but I want the old survival horror games back. Games like Silent Hill or RE where you are stuck in a crazy horror situation but you still have a fighting chance. Even games like The Suffering where you were a one man army could be creepy at times. I'm just tired of hide and seek horror.
>>340096260
Looks kind of like that monster from that episode of the Twilight Zone. Except shittier.
>>340102642
yes
>tfw you can't stop doing that hand thing
-Make things creepy
-Don't just slap gore everywhere and call it a day, or if you are gonna use gore make it unique ala the Hannibal tv show
-Don't overuse jumpscares
-Good sound design and use of the environment does wonders
-the unknown can be just as terrifying as generic hellbeast #78653 that's trying to chase you
-not everything needs to be a resident evil or cod action game
>>340108513
Imagine seeing a giant Dancer veil or Ludleth looming in the distance right before the final boss in Dark Souls 3. Shit'd be scary.
>>340110146
The dancer is actually fucking horrifying under the helm. Her or Nameless King as a giant head floating in the air, watching your every move would be very creepy.
>>340096260
>Make a big empty place to walk around in and explore, find keys to unlock rooms, solve puzzles, clear blockages, find ways around.
>Add a bunch of random monsters each time, you won't know what one it is. All have various traits and ways to fuck you over.
>Monsters are invisible until they gain "confidence" and then start fucking with you
>Confidence is gained by tricking and fucking around with shit. Starts small, like leaving a room, coming back, a vase might be moved a meter to the left, or a book in a bookshelf turned upside down. Not noticing these things and putting them back, grants confidence to monster.
>As confidence grows, more shit can be done. The typical door slam, objects blatently turning on/off, moving while you watch it happen, etc. The "entry level" spooky shit that most horror games try to use to pad out the real horror.
>Suddenly the monsters form takes shape. Whatever its abilities are manifest, because it has gained too much confidence. They all have different ways to kill you.
>Think of this like Slender where collecting pages powers them up, only not noticing them and letting them scare you powers them up + they power up slowly over time in case you're good at stopping their shit.
> Monsters come after you in a variety of ways. Maybe big blind monster like Berserker from Gears of War begins to wander around, now corporeal - avoid by not making noise, but it can tell when you're looking at it if you look too long.
>Maybe Mirror/Reflection/Painting/Television monster only appears in aforementioned items and gains power by stealing yours as you look at it. More and more objects become "infected" and it wins by stealing your form and trapping you.
>The standard RE4 "regenerator type" monster that wanders around looking for you, akin to your standard horror game villain...like Alien Isolation type shit.
>Dolls. Fuck dolls.
Just please, no jumpscare scripted shit..linear and horrible
>>340096260
waifus
>>340101532
I don't get that pic
why did you take a picture of goober grape
>>340099818
it's not even fucking scary.
>>340113002
Thanks for reminding me
>>340096260
Shay Saint John game when?
How about this for a challenge: Make a horror game actually scary, without any dim lighting or dark color tones. Do whatever you need to, whatever you have to, whatever you want to. Just make it scary and bright.
>>340102642
Mine is "enemies" that just walk around and do nothing, like those baby things in Silent Hill that make your sensor flip out. I like when there are just strange things that aren't harmful or helpful, but just mull around being flavor.
AAAAHHH
HHOOOYY
>>340103010
Shooting myself in the head just before the monster gets me sounds pretty great.
It'd be cool in a game too, yeah.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2RmL-j8APl0
>>340113240
Do jump scares count as scary?
Just start the game with a jumpscare as soon as you open it
I think we should stop focusing only on survival horror games. we need horror games of different genres.
>>340099426
Flowey was the most garbage boss for the most garbage game of the year.
Of course it's fans are the most garbage retards.
>>340115842
>What are the slew of RE4 clones that got shat out post 2004
>>340116028
>"I DON'T LIKE IT! That means it's garbage and anyone who likes it is RETARDED! DX"
Game devs should focus more on ambient horror.
Especially when you expect something is going to happen any second but it never does.
>>340116432
>one genre is different genres
>>340116028
I like the way you talk, Anon.
>>340103010
Great ideas. Cant wait for VR to get out of meme/gimmick phase.
>>340116487
flowey isn't even that scary you goddamn philistine
if you rely horror games to be purely on shock value based on gross things it would wear off very quickly if not done extremely well
if you want gross monsters, play the soulsbornes, many monsters in there literally made people lose their guard, pause the game, and say what the fuck, but it wasn't just the monster's appearance that scared them but the whole atmosphere around it and so on and so on.
>>340113380
That's why I loved Knytt. It's more of an exploration game than anything, but it had tons of atmosphere with countless critters that just did nothing. I threw myself into an enemy without realizing it was one.
It's a shame that his recent "real" game has better graphics, a larger map, and is somehow much shittier.
>>340117353
>soulsborne games
>pause the game
lol
>>340117353
I wasn't even arguing that Flowey is scarythough he is a little freaky in context; not all spooky has to be pants shit worthy
Though Bloodbourne had a pretty good budget and team backing it, it's not like you're going to be able to compare a one man project to it.
You philistine.
>>340117353
>pause the game
>>340096260
Just do the hand thing.
I expected a thinly veiled spooky thread. Where are my spooky links?
>>340117713
>>340117834
sorry, i couldnt find a better word. i guess like, a short pause, hands away from controller/keyboard? something like that.
>>340118189
the term safe zone works.
>>340117959
Don't fall asleep etc etc.
>>340096260
GET FUCKING 100 MILLION DOLLARS, CALL KONAMY AND TELL THEM TO FUCKING GIVE YOU PERMISSION, THEN CALL KOJIMA AND DEL TORO AND THROW THE FUCKING CASH AT THEM AND SAY:
"MAKE THE FUCKING GAME!!!"
The greatest horror concepts to ever come out of /v/ were the ones for "You Are Here."
>>340118535
I thought that was /tg/ for some reason
Didn't it eventually degenerate into people wanting it to be about aliens or some shit?
>>340096260
Don't rely on jumpscares. They're cheap. Build tension and fear through unsettling events and leave the player hanging.
Music and ambience are pretty much vital.
Interactive fuckery. Games are an interactive medium, and anyone can just pause and walk away when they feel like needing a breather. Don't give the player that chance. Disable the pause button, allow them to the menus but fuck with stuff (maybe having interacting with menus continue to have the game in the backround even though it never did before. Constantly change the gameplay. Give them some element thats vital and force them to rely on it for a while before taking it away and throwing everything you have at them.
Honestly though, horror isn't the best genre for a medium like gaming
>>340118627
ayy lmao
>>340118635
the thing about fucking with pause button is that it stops being scary and starts being obnoxious and unfun
people need to pause their games sometimes.
>>340118627
There were arguments about its premise from day one. Whether it's a planetoid mall or just a huge mall or a mall lost in some separate dimension. /v/ can't agree on much.
>>340118467
wats dat
>>340096260
You can't.
Modern horror is fueled indie developers making shit games, which in turn, fuels the Youtube Lets players, which in turn has created a generation that glues their eyes to youtube to watch idiot internet personalities to fake-react to retarded jump scares.
>>340118870
Something that should be put in a REAL horror game.
>>340118535
Care to explain more?
>>340101915
>Play a demo
>oh wow this is cute
>Game gets released
>Its shit
>/V/ LIKED IT YOU ONLY HATE THINGS THAT GET POPULAR THATS HOW I KNOW WHAT I LIKE IS GOOD
Kill yourself
>>340118832
But of course.
Do you think every creative team has always had everybody on the same page? Of course there's going to be different ideas.
put your faith and money where your mouth is. promote someone from your community/niche to take the helm. i am that person. are you ready to fund my vision of what a horror game should be?
>>340118635
>Honestly though, horror isn't the best genre for a medium like gaming
I agree with this. The problem with games is they are always designed to be winnable. No matter how scary/demented/eldritch/fucked up the thing around the corner is, who cares? You have a shotgun and full health. It's about to get fucked up no matter how sp00ky it is.
>Don't rely on jumpscares. They're cheap.
I do disagree with you though on jump scares. You can't have a scary game/movie with just some ominous violin music in the background. Suspense is only scary when you are actually anticipating something, i.e., a jumpscare.
Cry of Fear did it well. The casual kiddies on this board keep recommending Silent Hill and some walking simulators, but Cry of Fear is the only game that I've played as an adult which I would say is scary, and I only say that because the game doesn't hesitate to jump-scare the fuck out of you.
arkham asylum has some pretty underrated horror vibes, and not just scarecrow
>>340119489
You are everything wrong with horror. Not everything needs a god damn violin screech to notify a player that they're scared. Jump scares have their place. It simply shouldn't be the sole means for horror.
>>340096260
1. Stop relying on jump scares
2. Stop relying on gore
3. Stop forcing me to run away or hide from everything that's a threat. You're not making me scared, you're tell me to be scared.
>>340118535
>>340118627
>>340118832
What's this? Never heard of it.
>>340119204
The concept was that the player was in some kind of gigantic abandoned mall. /v/ couldn't quite agree on the circumstances of the mall itself, whether it was a planetoid mall (literally a small planet that is just a gigantic mall that's been abandoned by its ultra-capitalist creators) or that it just be some unexplained immense construct itself.
Try to imagine a game like Dead Rising 1/2 but subtract zombies with a plethora of other spooky shit. You'd have to scavenge for things to stay alive while avoiding hostile elements, the eventual goal being your escape from wherever you are. There were ideas like the voice over the intercom telling you when the mall was officially open or closed and you didn't want to be caught wandering the halls when it was closed. Stores would randomly open or close each day, some empty and some not, some peddling otherworldly and disturbing products, some stores not even being there last you checked. If you tried to break into a store or if you stole something, the intercom would alert "security" and you'd have to hide from whatever abomination began hunting for you.
>>340119812
mall planet
Good sound design and atmosphere that actually feels threatening and uncomfortable not just hahaha jump scares XD
rip Allison Road, it was probably going to be disappointing anyways
mk krypt
>>340119914
fund it and make it a pc exlusive that requires vr goggles
it would sell millions (during a humble bundle 2 years after release)
>>340119914
I was particularly fond of the planetoid concept. It laid out the ground work for the player maybe discovering just why it was abandoned, why it was built and opened up possibilities that are more satisfying to discover than just an unexplained and empty facility.
I also liked the idea borrowed from Dead Rising, where you saved your game in the bathrooms.
>>340120572
>>340119914
i've heard of this, but now i wanna read more. got any links or pics?
>>340113240
I've got an idea for that
A huge corn field where something chases you. You just never find out what it is until it catches you.
You never see any kind of way out, no buildings, no end, nothing
Only a blue sky, warm sun and corn.
And the sounds of the unknown coming for you.
Special focus on sound designThe monster isyour mom lmao
>>340119914
>mall planet
I got just the RIGHT soundtrack
Just distort it a little bit and call it a day
Fits perfectly
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YsFg05Ep0YA
>>340119489
>No matter how scary/demented/eldritch/fucked up the thing around the corner is, who cares? You have a shotgun and full health. It's about to get fucked up no matter how sp00ky it is.
But what if the goal of the game was to slowly realize you can't win and at the end you get two choices. Watch the eldritch abomination come in and kill you, or shoot yourself
>>340103864
I was actually sad that Silent Hills ended up cancelled. But after MGS V, nope.
>>340099475
That's more surreal than horror
