What do they mean by this?
Gameplay > Graphics
Which is true. That said, having both isn't exactly a bad alternative.
>>340012927
This, and to take it further, it basically means a game that focuses on perfecting gameplay will always beat one that focuses on perfecting grafics. A great game can have good graphics but it's games like Deus Ex that stand up even over time as long as you don't get babbys that "can't play it because the graphics are too dated".
But OoT plays like shit
>>340013167
Subjectively wrong
People still post Crysis around and it's been like what, 8 years?
>>340013167
>But OoT plays like shit
Objectively wrong.
>not doing the Fire Temple before the Forest
ISSYGHT
I seriously hope you don't do this.
>>340012785
It meana that you can complete star fox zero in 4 hours and be completely angry about paying full retail price for the flaming turd
It's a fairly meaningless point, since its generally separate people that make the graphics and the game play.
>>340013167
t. Console shooter generation
>>340013249
>>340013214
>one analog stick for a game with camera management
I mean come on, it was fine for the time, and it absolutely doesn't hold up
>>340013167
Nah.
FOREVER
>>340012927
(Gameplay + Graphics) > (Gameplay > Graphics)
>>340013370
>it doesn't hold up meme
Hi 12 year old.
>>340013295
Can you do Fire before Forest? I know you can break sequence (I actually did Fire last on my last run) but it's pretty heavily suggested that you do Forest first.
>>340013385
>yfw NX launches with Melee HD
Still looks good today.
>>340014013
That's because "realistic" 3d graphics become outdated extremely fast.
Cartoony and stylized games have aged the best.
>>340013584
If anything you could make a strong argument that Fire is supposed to come first.
>first thing you see out the door of the Temple of Time is Death Mountain. I think the owl tells you as a child that the color of its rings signal its state.
>closest temple geographically after you get the Hookshot.
>Navi asks you if you think Sheik can be trusted.
>In the future, you have to remember how to get to the Sacred Meadow. There's no hints and no music to tell you like the first time you find it. Meaning, if you forget, then you're most likely to wander into Goron City.
Also, if you're playing Master Quest, then you need Din's Fire to even breech beyond the first room. Din's Fire is suggested to you by the Great Fairy of Magic to get next time you're in town. Which isn't until Zelda's capture. Naturally to test out your new fire item you'd head towards a volcano if you got it just before becoming adult Link.
They mean to say they're dipshits with selective reasoning.
>>340014013
The textures perhaps, the character design is fucking atrocious, Wind Waker never looked good
>>340014576
shiek tells you the order right when you get the master sword
you do forest first since you did deku tree before dodongo
you doubles advocates are a diamond dozen
>>340015051
>shiek
>>340013370
yeah you're right all n64 games are shit
any game before 2005 that isn't made by sony or in 2d is complete trash lmao
>>340013295
>>340014576
>Been in stasis for 7 years while world gets flipped upside down
>Where do I visit first?
>That place I've lived literally my entire life where I left my only friend in the world not to mention my house
>The mountain I went to one time in passing when the exotic people there sent me as a 10 year old on a suicide mission to collect a trinket I didn't really need
You're right, tough choice
>>340015051
But Navi says you can't trust Sheik, and Baito tells you something is wrong with Death Mountain and the fastest way to the Forest is through Death Mountain.
>>340013167
>>340013370
Kind of true. OoT's controls aren't great. Not terrible, but sluggish in several respects. The game design is what has held up better.
>>340014474
You are right, but for some reason i have found that Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 3 (a 15 years old game)'s graphics have aged pretty damn well. Even though they're not cartoony nor stylized.
>>340013584
The Fire Temple doesn't need the bow at all, so you can do it first if you want. Water Temple is the same, but you need to use your keys strategically by saving and quitting.
>>340012785
Its ironic because OoT and MM were pretty good looking games for their times.
>>340015495
>where do I go
>save Hyrule from an erupting volcano where my goron bros are being eaten alive, or back to the fairy children who mistreated me for being different?
>>340015831
Link is a year or so older in MM? I never noticed.
>>340015675
God I miss those fucking games. It's so weird we used to have a Skateboarding genre, but they were just the comfiest goddamn games and I have no idea why.
Something zen about the late 90's music choices and the painfully Gen X taste of it all. Wish I could bottle that shit.
>>340015918
b-but your waifu is there and the gorons are dirty mudslimes
>>340013370
oh, is centering the camera with Z too hard for you? it's such a minor issue ...
>>340015790
>but you need to use your keys strategically by saving and quitting.
No. In no Zelda game would that ever be true.
This is what you need to do to make it through without a bow.
>>340016116
>>340015790
>>340015013
Seconded. Cell Shading makes the world look good, but you need to be VERY careful with the models for it to last.
Obviously, 2d sprite based games are still the best.
>>340014013
That game is more renown for its visuals and atmosphere than the actual gameplay. WW is not of the better Zeldas design-wise.
It's true
Nobody is going to remember games like uncharted, or the order 1886 - 10, 20 or more years from now.
The best looking games of 2015 or 2016 won't continue being the best looking games of 2025. And when the massive selling point of the games are "LOOK HOW PRETTY IT IS" that's a problem
>>340016231
>but you need to be VERY careful with the models for it to last
I guess.
>>340016267
>That Triforce Hunt
>That endless fucking ocean
People forgive A LOT because it has one of the only moment where Ganon seems to realize that he's stuck in some sort of Hell Loop with a child destined to murder him forever.
>>340016412
Well, I know one game from 2015 that'll never, ever be forgotten. :^)Please no (you)'s. I am blatantly shitposting. Do not destroy this nice thread. Thank you.
>>340015918
>Goron bros
>Thick skinned, fire immune golems
>Make you, a child in a skirt, go into the depths of an active volcano to fight a fire breathing lizard 40 times your size
>All because they want to eat rocks
>Except literally everything is rocks, even the ground they stand on
>If they wanted fresher rocks they could just harvest them through the fire temple
>Or get them from atop the volcano, where they literally rain from the sky
>They can't even be fucked to not hit you when you try to scale the narrow mountain path
Biggest fags in the entire series
>>340016598
>boy
>a game that looks good is impressive for a few months
Fucking what? No it's not. Maybe a few minutes. Also, using OoT as an example of great gameplay is such a typical thing. Whoever made that needs to get some taste instead of being person number 100,000,000 to blindly worship OoT.
>>340017062
Yeah
OoT's gameplay is out done by every single release after itAt least the ones I've played
>>340013584
Fire and Forest can be done in any order with little difficulty, as neither as any essential items which require items from the other dungeon to use (ie,you don't need the bow for fire or megaton hammer for forest).
Water is a little trickier. There's 2 keys locked behind switches activated with the bow, but there's 2 doors you can skip.
1) The first door is the locked door to the central chamber at the bottom level. You can skip it by either saving & reloading/using farore's wind to return to the top level and jumping to the middle level, or by using the hookshot to reach the hookshot points and angling your fall to land on the middle sections. Either one works. Then light the torches with Din's fire and you're in the central chamber, saving you 1 key
2) The second skipable locked door leads to the Triforce symbol that raises the water level to maximum. To skip, you must jump to this ledge from top level of the central chamber. Specifically, you roll just as you reach the corner, which accelerates your jump, and as long as you land near the far side of the ledge, you'll grab it and be able to pull yourself (landing on the close/right hand side causes link to spaz out and fall) as there is some sort of barrier that prevents link from grabbing the ledge properly. Once there, you can play the scarecrow song allowing you to get back with just the hookshot.
So doing water before forest is a little on the sequence braking side. Part of me feels that Nintendo may have originally intended for it to be the norm, but at the last moment decided to prevent the player from doing so (much like the boulders leading to Zora's river). Still, doing Water before Fire is perfectly normal and results in no sequence braking.
You can also do Spirit before Shadow, and the Gerudo Training ground is one of the least linear dungeons in Zelda as it's got way more keys than are necessary to access the Ice Arrows, so you are fairly free to pick and choose which rooms you complete
>>340016116
>>340016228
>No. In no Zelda game would that ever be true.
It says 'save and quit' right on the second line
>>340016459
>it has one of the only moment
So the only moment?
>>340017317
Where are you getting this information from?
I didn't even know about the scarecrow in the Water Temple. I have seen it in that one Zelda modder Pieter or whatever on Youtube, but I thought he had hacked it in.
Are you the same guy who wrote >>340016228
>>340017685
Oh yeah, you're right. I did it with Farore's Wind.
>>340018228
>Where are you getting this information from?
personal experience for the most part. Although the 2nd skip in water temple (specifically the jump) I learned from a post here in /v/ (although not the one above), but I've replicated it in my last few playthroughs. it's pretty easy to do once you work out where the barrier that causes link to spaz out ends
Oh, and the stuff about the Zora's Rivers boulders was read in an article somewhere a while back. If you think about it, it's actually really obvious in hindsight because it is literally the only place you need to use bombs while trying to get the Zora's Sapphire
>I didn't even know about the scarecrow in the Water Temple
there's actually a ton of them all over the place, usually hiding Golden Skulltulla's, including young Link dungeons. It's pretty cool really
>>340018751
I know. I already knew about the jump to the ledge thing. I did it before I even knew OoT was nonlinear.
I also knew about the boulders, although I will trade you for that tidbit about the scarecrow.
The reason why those boulders are there is a simple oversight I will explain at some point if you follow @lorebro64 on twitter. They weren't added to cockblock your ability to deviate from a path. It was just a mistake, that would have probably been fixed if OoT had been a PS1 game with demo disks, but to say the obvious, then it wouldn't be OoT.
>>340013167
