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RIP Nvidia
Cool
Call back when it actually outperforms nVidia on relevant games.
>>340012578
>150W
>AMD
Yeah.
>>340013143
>150W
>AMD
>AMD comes out with something new and cheap
>RIP NVIDYA
>A month later
>RIP AMHIVS
How are card/cpu wars any different than console wars?Pro tip they're the same thing
>>340014424
It's funny too since both the xbone and PS4 run on AMD.
>>340012578
I understand engineering top ranking gpu's is hard and ingenious. But designing good looking shit only requires taste and creativity, why can they ever make a card that looks good? That shit is so fucking ugly is not even funny.
>>340012578
Give me a benchmark on at least 10 different games and then we can talk kiddo
Is their official confirmation of the ROP count of these GPUs?
64 ROPs means performance comparable to the GTX980
32 ROPs means a good amount less performance than the GTX980
Does anyone really know?
>>340014424
they're all stupid, some corporations would probably cause a genocide just to have this type of thing happen with their product
>>340014765
I think it looks professional as fuck personally. It looks better than their last few generations
You are honestly just complaining about window dressing
I have a 750Ti, is this the best card I should go for next? I love my card because the cost to performance was great.
>>340015002
People have already killed each other in these GPU wars. Both companies have illegal crime syndicate influences
That's business for you.
>>340014842
the fuck is even ROP, CU is actual term while ROP is some bullshit marketing term.
>>340015139
There are already better options out there for you depending on your electrical limitations.
The Polaris 11 GPUs should be even better in performance per watt
AMD and based Naughty Gods gave us better graphics than literally any PC game on a $250 PS4
>>340015027
I'll post a picture that does it more justice than OP's
Look at that shit. It's a fucking black rectangle with some red letters. There's nothing professional about it. Anyone could've designed that. It wont look good inside a case, it will just look like a black piece brick of some sort.
>>340015139
Wait until we find out what APU AMD is using in the PS4 Neo and new Xbone.
>>340015423
>>340015334
But this is $200?
>>340015469
why?
>>340015423
>It wont look good inside a case
>having a window on your case
Sacrificing noise level for looks is a stupid thing to do.
I wish I could crossfire this with my 290x
>>340014424
at least console war kiddies can argue using their exclusive horseshit, nvidia/amd cards all play the same fucking games
>>340015541
Yeah, it's $200, but we don't know if it's for the 8GB or 4GB version. And you should wait to see what AMD sticks in the consoles because you can then figure out what budget card to buy that performs a little higher.
>>340015192
Raster Operations Pipeline
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Render_output_unit
Fiji (Fury) and Hawaii (R9 290X/R9 390X) have 64 of these. If the RX 480 has 64 of these it means better performance at lower resolutions which is one of the big reasons Maxwell beats the pants off GCN at 1080P
>>340015423
>>340015506
i like the look its better then what ever cards we have out now with edgy as fuck looking fans and an even edgier casing
just cause its "GAMER" branded
>>340015541
>>340015139
480 is probably going to be the best bang for your buck GPU for awhile.
If it really performs similarly to a 980 it's going to be the go-to card for anyone with 1080p monitors.
The 1070 is also a pretty good value, but at almost twice the cost it's not really worth it unless you want to go 1440p or higher.
We still don't know what the 480x, 490 and 490x will fit exactly.
>>340014765
Sleek, straight, simplistic > gaymershit, oww the edge
>>340015647
Yes we do
$200 for 4GB and $230/$240 for the 8GB
>>340012760
its not about performance, its about price/power ratio.
most pc building guides will probably be based on this card.
all nvidia cards that are on this range of price are basically dead.
>>340015860
>$230/$240 for the 8GB
Source now. Unless you mean the $500 figure we got off the conference for two cards in crossfire.
>>340015423
I don't come here very often so I must ask... you guys actually care about the looks of it? It will sit in a fucking case most of the time. What do you care.
Now to a serious question. Will it be better than Nvidia?
>>340014765
it gets the job done, and its inside your PC, you are not supposed to stare at it while is working.
>>340015683
>This article does not cite any sources
>>340015862
nvidia cards in this price range sucked dick before anyway.
The 960 was DoA, being more expensive and less powerful than the 280x (which was available over a year before the 960 was announced).
Nvidia isn't for the low end market, they only start showing value when you get to the mid-high or high end price ranges.
The 1070 is compelling, still not as good price to performance as a 480 but it still completely out-grades it so people who want a better class of performance will pay for it.
People who want 2015 high spec at a rock bottom price will get the 480.
>b-but you can buy x2 480s!
SLI and crossfire are fucking dead.
>>340015554
what the fuck does a window have to do with noise?
>>340015691
>video card aimed at gaming
>not being gamer branded.
Listen, I understand there are some 3rd party manufactures that make some ridiculous shit, but let's not pretend this shit is not aimed at the same fucking audience. Also, it doesn't have to be "edgy gamer shit with leds" for something to actually look good.
>>340015781
Tryhard much?
>>340015956
your image literally says $199-$249 US for the 480.
The 480 is available in 4GB or 8GB.
The crossfired build said $500, so x2 $250.
It's pretty safe to assume the 8GB 480 will be about $250
>>340016115
>The 1070 is compelling, still not as good price to performance as a 480 but it still completely out-grades it so people who want a better class of performance will pay for it.
not all people are willing to pay the double for 20% of improvement.
>>340015002
>there will never be this level of fanboyism among sink brands
Only poorfags use porcelain. Granite is where it's at.
>>340016273
I know that.
I know I won't be getting it (especially since the Australian price is $800 AUD).
But I'm extending an olive branch in the spirit of not being a filthy fanboy.
I can appreciate spending more when you want a high end card, even if there is diminishing returns.
Ive been liking AMD. Had my 290 die and they sent me back a 390 8G for free.
>>340015862
AMD has always found the price/power ratio. Nvidia almost always takes the power performance crown. Has been like that since post 5800 series for AMD. I think the 5800 cards were the only time AMD took performance.
>>340015781
>black and red
>not edgy as fuck.
>>340015423
I'd be happy if the card looked like this if it is as cool and quiet as this is
This HD3870 is the coolest and quietest GPU I've ever seen.
100% fan speed with sub 65C temps at full load in my case and is whisper quiet sitting on a desk a foot from my head
>>340016121
Windows don't dampen noise as much as metal, or in some cases foam padding to dampen noise. Like Corsair offers a window version and a quiet version of some of their cases.
This is going to be hilarious when most of you retards start crossfiring and realising how much of a terrible buggy unstable mess it really is.
>>340016439
Did you send the card to AMD, or the OEM like MSI?
>>340015348
What a shitty opinion you have.
>>340016549
This. Xfire and SLI are fucking memes that need to die a fast death.
Can we assume there will also be other manufacturers making the 480?
Instead of getting the stock one I prefer to stick with Sapphire since their cooling is usually better.
So can I finally buy a new gpu or should I wait a little longer for the finfet architecture to mature?
>>340016486
>HD3870
die shrink from a previous generation, with half the memory bandwidth removed to save transistors. stuff like that tends to be cool
>>340016549
realistically people aren't going to want to crossfire.
they're going to pay $200 for a card that is equal to much more expensive cards from last year.
If they want anything better, they'll wait for 480x, 490 and 490x or they'll just buy a 1070
The crossfire benchmark AMD did is just because they didn't have their other shit ready to show, let's be honest.
>>340016589
AMD routed it to MSI, something to do with the original store I got it from. One of neweggs partner things. Still only took 2 weeks, I was impressed after that.
Date?
Size?
>>340016668
What GPU are you using?
Get this 480 as a stop gap while waiting for cards with HBM if your card is super old. If it isn't, just wait for those with HBM.
>>340012578
http://www.videocardbenchmark.net/30dayshare.html
>>340016507
If you're temperatures are not ridiculously high than you should'n't be hearing noise at all. If you have to have your fan at 75% you're going to hear it no matter what. So in other words, if you don't have a shit card and poor ventilation, you're not going to hear noise regardless of having a window or not. Or you could stop being a pleb and get a nice cooling back plate.
>>340016704
It night have been MSI's customer service then, not AMD's.
>199$ Unted States Dollaroos
199$ Unted States Dollaroos
>199$ Unted States Dollaroos
199$ Unted States Dollaroos
>199$ Unted States Dollaroos
199$ Unted States Dollaroos
RIP nvidya
>>340016454
7970 rekt the 580 and the 680
>>340016549
>>340016646
vulkan and dx12 can directly access each gpu without the need for crossfire and shit
how useful and effective that will be remains to be seenspoiler: i've been working with computers for 25 years and i can tell you right now it's going to be not useful and ineffective as fuck
>>340016549
We honestly don't care, but the fact it's more energy efficient and can even beat the 1080 in any game while being a minimum $200 cheaper makes Nvidia fanboys squirm
If AMDs new strategy is to focus on badass mainstream cards for the years to come then we as PC gamers are going to be in a very solid situation
>yfw Nvidia decides to rain on AMD's parade by selling the 1050 and 1060 at a loss just because of their hubris and they have the money
>>340016814
Well free either way. Loving this thing, Cant get it over 67C compared to the 290 which was hitting in the 80+ playing terarria.
>>340014424
its great seeing the rabid pcucks turn among themselves 2bh
>>340016704
>AMD routed it to MSI, something to do with the original store I got it from
nothing to do with the original store you got it from. your card didn't come from AMD, it came from MSI, AMD sells the parts to MSI. you always go through the actual manufacturer of the product for RMA.
good job on MSI there. I had a similar thing happen where BFGTech (RIP) sent me an INFERIOR card on RMA and I called and pissed into the phone receiver while burning a dog. then I sent the card back and they sent me one worth like $200 more
>>340016218
Yeah but AMD wont charge that much for an extra 4gb vram, they aint nvidia
480 8gb will be either $229 or $239
>>340016826
HD48xx to HD79xx was better option to nVidia.
It's not even funny how long they held crown of being better and yet people still gone with novidya.
>>340016941
are you implying that this wouldn't be great?
one of the reasons we want AMD to at least stay in the fight is to keep nvidia on their toes.
competition is good, if nvidia held the entire market they could price their shit even worse and make even less significant improvements each generation.
>See this and fear for my R9 390X
>Read >>340015956
Could be worse. My card is still relevant for now.
>>340016919
all this misplaced hope
i wish it were aimed in a better direction
its like people really dont understand that ashes of the singularity benchmarks are meaningless
How can Nvidia be dead when they haven't even announced their cards in the same price point? And the fact that the NDA on the 480 lifts so close to its launch worries me as well. Do they not want people who pre order to be informed?
>>340016367
dunno, double price for a quarter of improvement feels just retarded.
How does it do with Witcher 3 in 4k?
>>340016218
They said <$500
And $50 for the extra ram? Nah, that doesn't add up to the usual AMD pricing step when it comes to additional memory.
>>340016454
ATI/AMD had very good performance per watt in the HD3xxx, HD4xxx, HD5xxx, and HD6xxx series.
The GTX570 and GTX580 were even more power hungry and hot but were massive improvements over the GTX480 and GTX470 which were awful because of leakage issues caused by 40nm manufacturing problems
It wasn't until Kepler than Nvidia had a solid advantage over an AMD architecture. To AMD's credit they did improve the power efficiency of GCN under the 28nm process. The Fury X is capable of almost 400w of power draw but usually draws around 290w which isn't bad compared to the GTX Titan X which draws 250w
>>340017176
that guys off in dreamland if he thinks the difference between 4gb and 8gb will be $50
it will be $100
>>340014424
competition is good
>>340016734
7870. Does nvidia have something similar to hbm? I see no mention of them backing hmc.
>>340016340
>brother's house has plastic
>>340017236
what are you fucking talking about,
show me 1 card where more ram = 100bux
nvidia or AMD
>>340012578
It's about time.
t. 970 cuck
>>340017161
yeah but there will always be people who want the next step, rather than just a bargain on what's already been achieved.
I'm a bargain guy, I'm the type of person who buys a midrange phone because I don't need the latest flagships.
But I can appreciate wanting more, if you've got a money that's your decision.
What I can't appreciate is choosing a bad value in the lower end because of fanboyism.
>>340017037
No, I'm definitely in agreement that it would be a good thing. I just think it would be funny if Nvidia deliberately waited until after Polaris was announced to decide on the price of their lower end cards so that they could make the 1050 or 1060 a more attractive card than the rx 480. All the "Nvidia is finished and bankrupt" posters would feel silly.
>>340017306
The 960 2gb was 50 less than the 960 4gb
That is a 2gb difference, double it 100 bucks?
>>340017487
Nvidia always charged a stupid amount for extra vram
770 4gb used to be the same price as r9 290s
>>340017306
The R9 270X 4GB but that's because its rare. on launch it wasn't that much more expensive
I seriously doubt the RX 480 8GB will be $300. $250 is more realistic.
>>340017374
no need to continue a fantasy with another fantasy
heres whats going to happen
reality: 480/460 isnt as fast as amd has perpetrated (surprise!!!) still really good low/mid cards
reality continued: 1050/1060 will also be a good low/mid range card, better than the AMD parts, but more expensive. like always.
People who know what they're doing will buy nvidia like always, because people who know what they're doing don't compromise on core components.
>>340017245
1080ti is most people's guess. Or Wait till Polaris.
which card is best for somebody who stares at their backlog with defeat and just ends up sitting on /v/ all day?
>>340012578
Looks like the next meme card to me.
>>340017662
>$250 is more realistic.
you dont infringe on your own SKUs, dumbasses.
why would ANYONE BUY the $200 part if you could get 4gb more ram for $50 retards
it will be $300. please listen to people older and wiser than you and stop your video card fantasy boner, rofl
I don't know... I'm really tempted on getting AMD this time around.
I'm a fucking student man... I can't be dropping 600 fucking dollars on a graphics card. They are planning on giving this away for 199??? Lets think about this for a sec. That alone helps me build up a new PC for this current gen.
I'll take it and try AMD this time around. Make this a learning experience so I can say that I've tried both AMD and Nvidia. Sorry Nvidiacucks.
>>340016115
t. Nvidia shill
>>340017487
I cannot find any info on this shit, so I beliebe you on this one, tho I would still want you to show me a card with 2 models of ram and 100bux range.
on release, mind you.
Proper first price.
>>340017793
>nvidia shill
funny that I get called that but also an AMD shill when I say nvidia is bad price to performance.
I'm currently using an AMD card and will probably upgrade to a 480/x.
>>340017764
>I can't be dropping 600 fucking dollars on a graphics card.
then dont buy one. why do you need a 600 dollar graphics card to play video games
>>340017681
What's a realistic estimate for the 1050? $200-$250, 6gb vram, and like 970-980 tier performance? I feel like that would sell a lot because it's more than enough for 1080p gaming, is affordable, and just having the Nvidia brand name will help it sell.
>>340017108
It's not misplaced at all, if the 1080 was so great being the "king of GPUs" then it would never be beaten by mainstream cards doing something as "clumsy and worthless" as crossfire
Yet the 1080 is beaten by a mainstream card in crossfire, the 480s are still more energy efficient while doing it, it doesn't matter if it is only in ashes of the singularity because if the 1080 wasn't just a die shrunk Maxwell then we probably wouldn't be having this conversation
>>340012578
That's really cool, cheap cards are better for all of us.
That said, I don't really have a reason to upgrade from my 390, I mostly play older 4x games at 1080p.
>>340016943
Its a great card, have you had any luck overclocking it? I was able to get an increase of 100mhz for the core clock and like 75 for the memory without messing around with the voltage, which is something that i'm still a little worried about doing.
>>340016054
And? Just because you don't know what it means and don't have the means or interest to find it out doesn't mean it isn't correct/real.
You could ask for a citation from the guy you are responding to that has sources, but If you cared enough to do that I think you would question a sourced article and say who is this guy a computer scientist at Harvard, why isn't he from MIT?
>>340012578
Any word on the Polaris 11 based card yet? Originally I was interested in the 480 but with the only worthwhile game this year being Bannerlord (if it even gets released this year) I see no reason to waste money on a card that powerful.
>>340017681
Its possible because of the lack of exact specs
Here's the real $10,000 question?
32 ROPs or 64 ROPs?
32 ROPs means it competes with the GTX970
64 ROPs means it competes with the GTX980
At $200 they may go with 32 ROPs and not 64 ROPs. This will be the biggest factor in performance
>>340017161
It matters for 1440p crowd which would want to get as high as constant FPS as possible.
Rx 480 is objectively better for 1080 60Hx users. Games that won't run extremely well on the 480 won't run well on the 1070 either.
Prime example being all the trash Microsoft has released thus far on PC.
Out of topic, Quantum Break, how does Remedy keep their allegiance., how many people do even know that game is out? Even Rise of the Tomb Raider had more marketing behind it.
>>340017902
>like 970-980 tier performance?
hahah no..
you guys are expecting way too much from this coming generation because these lying ass AMD benchmarks have warped your minds
>ashes of the singularity
really, how many times does it need to be repeated
1050 card is under 200, 1060 is 200-250
>Yet the 1080 is beaten by a mainstream card in crossfire
in ashes of the singularity
>>340017760
No one would buy a 480 8gb for $300 when the 1070 is $370~ and 25% faster
It will be $239
>>340017760
Its possible as I have yet to see confirmation.
We'll see very soon
>>340018067
I bought a 970 at ~300+ and I'd do it again. My real question is hdmi 2.0. I had to buy nvidia because amd weren't doing hdmi 2.0. It was also before the adapter.
>>340018067
480 performance as most guessed would be somewhere between 970 and 980. Probably better their their 390x cards but worse than their Fury X. It is a stop gap till Polaris.
>>340017889
20 rupees have been deposited in your account.
>>340017760
$300 will be the 490.
>>340018078
>Out of topic, Quantum Break, how does Remedy keep their allegiance., how many people do even know that game is out?
Man I don't know. I'm assuming microsoft footed the bill for the entire game or else remedy devs would be literally committing suicide right now
I imagine what happened is that they begged to get the game on steam and were chased out of the building.
>>340018087
>1050 card is under 200, 1060 is 200-250
The 1070 is more expensive than the 970 at launch, we can't say for sure what Nvidia will do.
>>340018017
Wiki articles without any citation is as trustworthy as 4chan.
>>340017662
$229.99
>150 watts like a normalfag though
>>340017760
Because I don't need 4gb more of ram. I plan on buying 4 cards (no really) two 8gb cards for my 4k cf stuff. And 1 for my 1920x1200 gaming rig at "home" and one for my 1920x1080 rig that will replace a 7950. I'm not upgrading to 4k any time soon on the two I want the 8gb for.
>>340018191
but I specifically elected to be paid in vietnamese dongs!
>>340017760
>$100 more for 4gb of vram
what is this, apple?
>>340018263
Isn't that good though? Less power means less heat, even if you don't care about power bills.
>>340017893
You dont, unless you want to play the very latest games on max settings at 1440p/4k
Rx 480 will easily max everything at 1080p/60fps for $200. It has around 980 performance and my 980 shits on everything at 1080p, many games run 100+fps.
Should I upgrade my 7970? Or should I wait longer?
Does the 480 support Vulkan?
>>340018249
Why didn't you google it yourself? Look it up, as I said if you aren't willing to do the research why would you bother asking for a citation.
If wiki had a citation you would take their word for it?
Nothing has changed here except you found a "reason" to decline to consider his argument.
>>340018406
Any OpenGL4.x is supported by Vulkan, that is huge list.
>>340018087
>really, how many times does it need to be repeated
there is literally nothing wrong with using Ashes as a benchmark.
They gave Nvidia the opportunity to work with them on optimizing for the game.
Just because nvidia can't into async compute and hasn't got a gameworks advantage doesn't mean it's not valid.
DX12 isn't going to just disappear until nvidia figures their shit out.
>>340018474
I did, I came to the conclusion it's a marketing bullshit metric, asked to show me some citation after that.
Saw that nobody had any citation, my initial though holds up.
See how this fucking works?
Do you think the coming line will mark a good time to convert to 1600p144hz?
>>340018186
But that's my question
32 ROPs means possibly less performance at 1080P than the GTX970
64 ROPs means its quite a bit fast than the GTX970 and competitive with the GTX980
>>340018405
>It has around 980 performance
i can't understand why you guys drank the kool aid so incredibly hard when these numbers youre referencing are *from the manufacturer*
its like you are stnading here telling me philip morris told you cigarettes are safe
dude...ive been buying 3d cards since 1996
this card isnt going to be as fast as a 980 for 200 dollars. because if it were it would be basically the most revolutionary piece of technology of all time, AMD would have broken some kind of efficiency barrier
sorry bro it didnt happen...wait a second, dont we not even have the actual specs on the 480 silicon??
>>340017681
I think nvidia will have a hard time beating the 480.
the x60 cards havent been nvidias strong point since the 460/560ti. 760/960 were shit compared to AMDs counterparts.
>>340018223
MS store is shit and they know it. They would need to have the game store incorporated into the xbox app, because the MS app store looks like Android Market circa 2010.
And ignoring one of the most successful platforms of all time, top lel, what is Microsoft thinking?
Even Ubisoft is not that retarded, they offer either especial bonuses or additional games in the purchase, if people chose to buy their games through their platform which about never gets discounts, although I was close to purchasing Rise of The Tomb Raider with them solely for Far Cry 4.
>Build PC in 2011
>Buy 7750
Shit Driver Crashes Everywhere
>Buy 7770
Alright, Drivers still crash all the time
>Buy 760
No isses except on Prince of Qin, a Chink Diablo Rip Off from the late 90s that wasn't even released in the US
>Buy 970
Barely an improvement over the 2GB 760 with 2GB more of VRAM
Probably gonna stick with the 970 for a while desu. In a couple years I may buy a 1080 though. Honestly, to anyone considering the switch because of price, the hassle from Drivers alone is just not fucking worth it.
>>340018552
the fuck are ROPs
>>340018494
They will try their hardest to counter its adoption for as long as possible
>>340018575
>760/960 were shit compared to AMDs counterparts.
you can discuss performance all you want but when the time came i bought a 960 without so much as a glance toward the amd hardware because amd shit is inferior.
what happened in previous generations really doesn't matter, you should realize that since you're living in this 480 fantasy world
>>340018568
Yes it will, if you have been around as long as you say you have you would remember the previous die shrinks and the performance increases they brought.
Last die shrink the 660ti/670 shat on the 580 for half the price. Plus pic related, C7 is confirmed to be the 480. Its inbetween 980 and Fury performance, screencap this and wait a month.
>>340018548
Yes. I do. I spent about 30 seconds on google and found out what it means.
For what ever reason you want me to explain to you technical details that I doubt you can understand to you.
Do I need to define MPG to you because you don't know what a gallon is?
If you aren't willing to do the research why would I bother informing you?
>>340018494
>DX12 isn't going to just disappear until nvidia figures their shit out.
right, it's not going to disappear because it's not really ever going to appear to begin with
remember all those ashes of the singularity threads on /v/ all the time? boy, game sure is relevant
>>340018568
Die shrinks are awesome things.
>>340018616
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Render_output_unit
Google it
>>340018709
>3dmark
>dx12
the conversations i've had in the past month have shown me that /v/ overwhelmingly doesn't understand how to actually process what they're seeing in regards to benchmarks, so i'm not going to argue anymore
Do we have any specs on RX480 from AMD partners like MSI and Sapphire?
>>340018551
Nope, next year definitively given next year will debut the PCI-E 4.0.
All the idiots who bought the founders versions of the 1080 will commit sodoku when the Ti model comes out.
I am picking the Rx 480 based on the price and because the 1070 makes no difference except for meme VR games and Early Access shit that still runs like shit on a Titan.
>>340018701
>when the time came i bought a 960 without so much as a glance toward the amd hardware because amd shit is inferior.
I really hope this is bait.
The 960 was a terrible card, people give the 970 shit but at least it gave your some decent 1080p performance for the price.
The 960 was outclassed in performance for the price by AMD's cards over a year before the 960 was announced, you didn't have the wallet for a real nvidia card so you bought their shitty offering because of memes.
Again, I really hope you're baiting.
>>340018808
What does that mean tho?
what is ROP is not defined in here, this article is useless.
>>340018605
No reason to upgrade from a 970 if you are still on 1080p. Still good till next round of cards.
i have a 770.
should I get a 480?
>>340018808
Googles down, spoonfeed me.
with amd's track record, i'll wait until they are actually beating nvidia. for me beating them includes outperforming AND having better drivers.
How much faster is the 480 than my 7870?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O7fA_JC_R5s
Watch this video, and stop supporting shitvidya. Lets get the industry to a new rise guys with good decisions.
>>340018186
>It is a stop gap till Polaris.
The 480 IS Polaris. The 490 is Vega.
>>340018860
>performance this performance that
tell me what i'm not getting 60fps 1200p in on high
oh yeah, witcher 3, the game that was fun enough to play for approximately 10 hours before uninstalling
you think reality is bait? why do you think nvidia owns the market and the 960, such a terrible card, crushed every great amd card you compare it to?
because people dont want to deal with amds shit low quality hardware and shit drivers
>>340018882
970 does 60fps on 4k mine is a gigabyte strix model though, not sure how high the factory overclock is.
>>340018928
no, if you need spoon feeding you wouldn't understand.
Rx480 8gb model is $230.
Performance should be close to a R9 390.
Nvidia has nothing this powerful AND this cheap.
Nvidia is bracing for impact and Intel is too.
AMD is back in the game.
These are the facts children, deal with it.
http://wccftech.com/amd-radeon-rx-480-clock-speeds/
>>340018938
AMD drivers have been better than Nvidia since at least 12.10. Nvidia drivers just get worse and worse lately.
RIP Nvidia
>>340018938
>outperforming
What does this mean?
>having better drivers
I think you just set up an impossible benchmark.
>>340018992
Well I can't get the information since Google is down.
Spoonfeed me.
>>340018369
can't blame him he's used to nvidia pricing
I'm just doing some very crude math here. The 960 has 76% of the performance of the 970, and had 60% of the price of the 970 at launch ($199 vs $329). If the 1060 is priced to the same ratio to the 1070 as the 960 was to the 970, it'll be $227 (probably rounded to $229) for 76% the performance of a 1070. Doesn't this put it around where the 8gb rx 480 is in terms of price/performance? I mean I'm glad AMD is more competitive now, but I doubt Nvidia is dead.
>>340018992
in diablo 3, sorry i meant to say that. 4k diablo 3, a non demanding game (the only one i still really play)
>>340019065
Also google isn't down, your internet doesn't work.
>>340018701
Instead of the 960 you could of bought a 380 with more vram, better overall performance and WAY better dx12 performance.
Thats why the 960 was a shit card. It cost too much for the performance, has limited vram and is now outdated as fuck.
pic related, get your wallet ready to upgrade ;)
>>340019027
>AMD drivers have been better than Nvidia since at least 12.10.
I have a gtx 760
Should I go for the 1070 when its released aftermarket? I dont really want to spend 600 on a 1080 when the 1070 will be priced with such great value.
>>340018983
>why do you think nvidia owns the market and the 960
you just explained why, because people like you don't even look at the AMD option because of dumb fanboyism.
You're happy to pay more for a card that was outclassed for cheaper over a year earlier, just to be on a the green team, like it's a team sport.
Nvidia has it's place at the high end, if you can't afford their higher end cards don't be a fucking poser by buying their shitty ones.
>>340019121
How can you be so sure that Google isn't down?
>>340019123
Doesn't have hdmi 2.0 I have a 970 because no hdmi 2.0.
>>340018616
ROP means nothing, it's 2D acceleretion card term that nVidia still uses to this fucking day.
Basically it's output bus, what relevance it has on render? None.
>>340018839
Are you saying 3dmark 11 is dx12? Nigga you stupid. Its even in the name, 3d mark "11". Its dx11.
>AMD shows a nice thing
>IT'S OVER, NVIDYA IS FINISHED 3.5 LOL JEWS
>Nvidia shows a nice thing
>IT'S OVER, AMD IS FINISHED MOAR COARS UMAD
Do you faggots have to do this EVERYTIME either company shows some sign of business competition?
>>340018938
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O7fA_JC_R5s
Stop shilling for a cause that doesn't do good for consumers
>>340019129
*installs latest nvidia driver*
*card gets fried*
>>340018568
more like nvidia is slacking because they own 80% of the niche highend market
>>340019123
>dx12
>he fell for the win10 meme
and before you start assuming I own amd
>>340019152
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O7fA_JC_R5s
No, don't buy nvidia cards ever again. They're distorting the market / the performance of their older cards
>>340018839
>the conversations i've had in the past month have shown me that /v/ overwhelmingly doesn't understand how to actually process what they're seeing in regards to benchmarks, so i'm not going to argue anymore
I am new to all this, also not the anon you were previously arguing with but...
I read that something something, Nvidia new cards, for a better lack of term, simulate DX12 reason why AMD cards seem to have an advantage, but also why the 1080 totally shits itself in Quantum Break.
So I really don't know what you are saying, but it got me deeply intrigued.
>>340019176
works for me m8 and them.
>>340018956
Die shrink. What do you think?
>>340019273
W10 is going to become the norm whether we like it or not.
It had mass mainsteam success and steam hardware survey shows it was a success with gamers too.
>>340019295
>how much
I know it's going to be faster.
>>340019240
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O7fA_JC_R5s
>>340019065
>Well I can't get the information since Google is down.
Change DNS servers. If you're using google dns servers, don' t do that.
>>340019123
>you could of
>could of
>of
of course you'd say that
>you could of bought an AMD card
yeah cool i could "of" gotten more FPS and video artifacts in dota 2 like when i tried my 390 that my brother gave me (for free) and then gave it back to him, because not dealing with AMD shit is about 100x more important than framerate
did you know you literally have autism? when all you care about in regards to your experience is chasing numbers?
can't wait til you experience your first time of a game not working on launch day on AMD hardware. don't worry, happens every year, it'll come around to something you buy.
>max detail
>MLAA
okay turn it down to "high" and get 60 fps problem solved
>>340018956
Over double the performance
>>340019292
>>340019360
found what i needed using Bing
fucking Google, just gave me another reason not to support their shit company
>>340019352
>i'll be able to dictate everyone's opinion to them if i just post this over and over!
>you should let some youtube guy think for you instead of thinking for yourself! do as I say!
hey guess what newfriend that's a bannable offense :)
>>340019454
What did you find?
>>340019382
> video artifacts in dota 2 like when i tried my 390 that my brother gave me (for free) and then gave it back to him
>(for free)
Your brother just gave you a broken 390.
Get that shit replaced if it still under warranty holy shit.
>>340015629
AMD/Nvidia plays the same games but Nvidia has exclusive technologies and objectively performs better in both vidya and real world applications.
Basically, AMDrones are 13 years old who got a cheap graphics card and are trying hard to justify their purchase.
>>340019454
>Better be supporting Microsoft
It's your end that is fucked up, not Googles.
>>340019382
>he actually bought a 960
>>340019382
>video artifacts
>dota
>AMD software
>a problem since the mid 2000s
You're actually a fucking drone. You probably actually believe that Nvidia have better R&D than AMD when AMD have connections to IBM and intel while nvidia have contacts with fucking no one.
>>340019203
We stop posting the worst "girl" aka fag
>>340019531
(You)
>>340019531
>better in both vidya and real world applications*
*Perform better in nVidia framework and CUDA applications while cannot hold a handle to AMD in DX12/Vulkan and OpenCL
>>340019531
>AMDrones are 13 years old who got a cheap graphics card and are trying hard to justify their purchase.
nvidia drones do the same thing, see >>340018983
>>340012578
Does it come with a free fire extinguisher?
>>340019536
Yeah no if Google doesn't want to fix their problems I'm not going to use their shitty services.
>>340019528
I had my 7950 give me artifacting problems, I talked to CS and they said send it back we will replace it. I didn't, because I didn't want to be without it. I now have a factory over clocked card that can only run at 850mhz instead of the 900 factory overclocked number because i didn't send it back.
TFW they said it should be able to run at 1ghz mhz, a year or so after i sent it back and i can't because i didn't bother to send it back.
>>340019662
that's not the 1080FE
>>340019531
also lots of anti competitive practices and jewing people with proprietary technology, planned obsolescence and dirty tricks to market their cards
>>340019703
"their problem"
They have no problem, you do.
ShitVidya is a 2nd tier manufacturer can you please stop supporting the cancerous nvidia gameworks and their shady schemes already, they're not doing any favors for consumers
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O7fA_JC_R5s
>>340019662
No, but you get a free pack of marshmallows for smores.
>>340019646
>nVidia framework and CUDA applications
So in other words, any application worth giving a shit about.
Iray is also Nvidia exclusive, and it's one of the best renderers out there.
>>340019123
he could have bought a 280x, which was available much earlier, outperforms it and the 380 and was cheaper as well.
I really have no problem with people paying more for good nvidia cards, but when they pay a premium for the shitty ones and act like they have to, that's fucking disgusting.
>>340019719
oh and this is all my fault, sorry about the guy with the 390 that didn't send it back, that's what happens if you don't actually rma things you should.
>>340019290
He thought the benchmark was dx12 and in doing so "favouring" AMD since AMD cards shit on nvidia cards in dx12.
But its dx11, so he ran off
>>340019531
Way to prove his point you dumb fucking idiot
>>340019758
its googles job to fix these problems so its THEIR problem
fucking hacks.
>>340019115
OK after looking at more benchmarks, it doesn't quite seem like the 960 got 76% the performane of the 970 in most games. So the 960 was 60-70% the performance of the 970 for 60% the price.
So if the 1060 is $229 for 70% the performance of the 1070, that puts it in between the 970 and 980, which is right where the RX 480 is as well. Again, I'm no expert, I'm just doing crude math here. Correct me if I made a mistake.
>>340019273
You must be pretty fucking ignorant if you're not aware of how much of performance boost AMD cards especially gain from DX12 of W10
>>340019763
oh yeah, fallout 4, the game that was fun enough to play for approximately 10 hours before uninstalling
>>340019776
iray as any other CUDA rayracing renderer is shit, lacks basic feature even of Mental Ray.
and per usual Vray shits over the competition.
>>340019290
microsoft, beyond all intelligent reasoning, has been actively trying to kill PC gaming for years and has taken it to new heights with "unified windows experience" in windows 10. Directx12 is part of this environment. with UWP you can only buy games from the windows store, settings adjustments are extremely limited, mods etc are 100% disallowed, and the OS actively blocks you from running programs that capture video, anything that hooks into the program etc.
You have to run Win10 to get Directx12, and many, if not most relevant Directx12 games (in the next 2 years or so while it's still "new") will be windows store UWP games. strike 1
Now, the reason why AMD is only showing benchmarks that use DX12, is because DX12 heavily makes use of asynchronous compute, a type of feature that AMD has engineered core support for into their new generation of cards.
Nvidia, in a philosophical break (most likely because microsoft has actively tried to kill PC gaming for years) has sided with the Vulkan API consortium. Vulkan does not make much use of asynchronous compute, so nvidia did not engineer their new architecture to make use of asynchronous compute.
So what you see is cherrypicking. Nvidia accounts for something like 65% of video cards in gamers computers. The industry fondles their nuts and the AMD parts will have very threatening performance compared to the nvidia parts **only in situations involving DX12 and asynchronous compute**
So, yeah, enjoy playing games like "ashes of the singularity" and "quantum break" (quanwho what?) on UWP on the windows store on your new 480 card. Which is gonna cost $200 outright (fantasy world)
>>340019065
Basically ROPs effect how fast you can feed pixels your screen. This is also determined by core clock speeds.
Maxwell GPUs are much better at this than GCN GPUs because of their high core clocks and number of ROPs.
http://www.hwcompare.com/29472/geforce-gtx-980-vs-radeon-r9-380x/
>>340019818
Consoles all have their ups and downs, but there is literally no reason to buy AMD over Nvidia aside from being poor, you dolt.
With Wii/Ps4/Xbone you get different games and different features, with AMD you're doing the same shit as Nvidia but with worse efficiency and performance, and no support for Nvidia exclusive technologies.
>>340019936
You're missing the point, nvidia tried hard to ruin the performance in that game for AMD cards, yet they end up ruining their own performance with newer patches. They want existing nvidia owners to buy newer cards, don't you see it?
>>340019985
Cheers senpai, all Bing got me were pictures of horse pussy.
>>340016115
I dunno senpai, I'm getting fantastic performance outta my two 970s. All max 1080P 60 in Witcher 3, Far Cry 4, and several other games.
>inb4 not 4K
>>340019974
+1 this before it's deleted guys!
Microsoft is going to make it so we can't be better than consoles or something.
>>340019382
>can't wait til you experience your first time of a game not working on launch day on AMD hardware.
this is what they don't seem to get. instead of being on /v/ bitching about muh gameworks, muh tesselation, i'm able to have games just werk.
>>340019985
>It's output bus
>It has effect on anything
No it doesn't.
>>340019974
>gameworks game
>IT'S NOT CHERRYPICKING AMD JUST CAN'T OPTIMIZE
>DX12 game
>WOW WHAT THE FUCK IS THIS SHIT USING NEW TECHNOLOGIES THAT NVIDIA HASN'T ACCOUNTED FOR THIS DOESN'T COUNT
what's even the point of real world benchmarks when they all get dismissed?
Someone also said Fallout 4 isn't a valid benchmark just because he doesn't like the game.
>>340019763
The most likely explanation is that AMD's optimizations for their current cards pass down to their older cards better because of all the rebranding they do. Nvidia went through more architectures in the past few years, and they just stop caring about optimizing their older cards. I'm willing to bet the "gimping" meme will apply to the 200 and 300 series cards once AMD starts focusing on Polaris drivers.
>>340020216
>We added one more pipeline bus!
>It's new architecture guys!
>>340020216
Nigga practically all nvidia do is stick more transistors on it.
>>340020294
What is netburst?
>>340020036
That's dumb because gimping their old cards would make people more likely to buy AMD's cards than it would make them buy Nvidia's new cards. Nobody with a brain would do that.
>>340020096
yeah i had a friend want a new enthusiast card right in the middle of the 970 3.5 debacle. I suggested 970 to him without batting an eyelash and i even persuaded him not to get an AMD card which someone else suggested
release day for battlefront came and he happily gobbled it up with nary an issue. meanwhile internet flooding with reports of AMD driver problems on release day with battlefront.
ive seen it happen so many times and every time i mention it kids are like "GIVE ME AN EXAMPLE OF A TIME THAT HAPPENED". lol.
People tend to forget Rage where AMD botched an entire games PC launch, because they didn't have compliant opengl drivers.
>>340017037
>"e-e-even if we're losing we're winning!"
You poor, pathetic creature. To think AMDipshits were this delusional since nVidia has been dominating the graphics card market for nearly a decade.
>>340018972
https://youtu.be/fZGV5z8YFM8?t=44m51s
Nvidia will have the whole market soon anyways.
>>340020351
It's what nvidia has been doing lately though.
>>340020346
>The NetBurst microarchitecture, called P68 inside Intel, was the successor to the P6 microarchitecture in the x86 family of CPUs made by Intel.
>>340020202
it's apples and oranges. gameworks is nvidia directly engaging with developers
dx12 vs vulkan and async vs not async is an industry-wide philosophical battle that affects everyone. if you are on AMD's side then you are on the side of microsoft and unified windows experience.
is that what you want? UWP games? because that's what AMD wants.
>>340020112
Explain why please? It always seems like AMD GPUs are bottlenecked compared to their Nvidia counter parts at 1080P
I thought this was also do to their worse driver overhead causing a CPU bottleneck but I figured ROPs and core clock also had an effect
>>340019974
>and the OS actively blocks you from running programs that capture video, anything that hooks into the program etc.
is that something that is going to happen or is happening? Because not only this hasn't happened to me, but even games like Quantum Break have an option for streamers.
and that benchmark was for DX11 so anon says.
>>340020409
PC market? Consoles will still have AMD though, and AMD will have edge on PC gaming too from that.
>>340020429
But is it intentional gimping or just them not optimizing their drivers for older cards? Intentional gimping is inexcusable, but just not improving the cards for more than a year isn't that bad.
>>340020216
the 780 started getting beaten by both the 960 and 280x in newer games, but specifically in gamesworks titles.
This really has no reason to be.
if you were to say
>well the 960 is getting better performance because it's newer and has access to their newer technologies and optimizations
then why is the 200 series still keeping up when it's so much older and rebranded anyway?
If you said
>well AMD has been using the same architecture so the older cards reap the benefits
then how come the 780 isn't nearly as bad in non-gameworks titles?
If the 960 and 280x were just doing better because they're still being supported, you'd expect the 780 to be outperformed consistantly in gameworks and non-gameworks titles.
>>340020409
>Waaah! Nvidia won't play fair!
If you can't slam with the best then jam with the rest.
>>340020435
This is the name given to the 20-stage instruction pipeline within the Willamette core. This is a significant increase in the number of stages when compared to the Pentium III, which had only 10 stages in its pipeline. The Prescott core has a 31-stage pipeline.
From the same page.
>>340020464
there are elements of engineering that cant be boiled down to a number of parts.
there's a reason better-engineered things cost more and work better.
>>340020216
Both sides do rebranding. 680 = 770. 670 = 960.
So what if AMD stop focusing on the 290/390 series now, they have optimized it as much as they can I bet. 290/x shits all over the 780 ti now, and the 290x/390/390x can all keep up with the 980 now (and outperform it in dx12).
>>340020442
>if you are on AMD's side then you are on the side of microsoft and unified windows experience.
Ah, you are retarded. I see.
Fuck off to reddit.
>>340020464
Because Video cards render in Vertexes and then transfer everything in pixels and then they go to output, render is not affected by output.
If output bus was a huge bottleneck as ROPs you suggest then more fps = less quality because there is not enough data transfer capability.
>>340020567
It's very hard to know as a consumer when they have every incentive (profit wise) to gimp their previous cards. It's a thin line imo
>>340020549
>but even games like Quantum Break have an option for streamers.
built into the game itself, ie controlling what you get to do. that's not what PC environment is about. everything has built in streaming now anyway, it's 2016
and it is happening now. microsoft has promised to remove it but you don't sell yourself into slavery with the promise that the shackles will break
it doesn't matter if it's for dx11, 3dmark is historically useless becuase it's a synethtic benchmarks. synthetic benchmarks are meaningless. and i think he's wrong anyway, i think it's an unreleased 3dmark version with dx12, or they wouldn't have used it to produce their amazing figures.
>>340020442
ironic that you say this when nvidia is pretty much the microsoft of graphics processors.
>holds most of the market because people are unwilling to change
>invests heavily in proprietary closed-source technologies to kill free alternatives
>charges a premium for what should be much cheaper
And it's a complete misrepresentation to say DX12=UWP.
DX12 can be implemented in any game, people even made unofficial DX12 plugins for emulators, you can get a performance boost from Dolphin right now if you happen to have W10 and enable the plugin.
>>340020586
Yeah, but any civilized western country would fine a company doing these practices if they were caught. This isn't the "good" capitalism, this is the "bad" capitalism.
>>340020567
the entire nvidia gimping drivers conspiracy thing came from one driver release which broke a gameworks thing in witcher 3 and lowered the framerate. they fixed it like the next day.
that's it. that's the actual extent of this issue.
neckbeards pushing this fantasy don't seem to understand that if nvidia did that and were caught doing it, the FTC could fine them like 36 billion fucking dollars.
>>340020580
>then how come the 780 isn't nearly as bad in non-gameworks titles?
Because gameworks keeps offering new features that older cards aren't as good at. This isn't a conspiracy, old cards are rarely good at new technologies. I don't see this is intentionally gimping older hardware because they're offering features with gameworks.
