Why is this inferior to the original game in every way?
It isn't though fuck off with your memes. Level design isnt as good for the most part but ssg and more monsters is solid addition.
because you only played episode 1 of doom
>>339984000
Because you overvalue level design and undervalue new monsters, who all have the capacity to change the gameplay significantly.
Worse level design
SSG fucked with weapon balance
New enemies range from good to WHY
>>339984817
>SSG fucked with weapon balance
It improved it.
>>339984817
>SSG fucked with weapon balance
>New enemies range from good to WHY
>>339984870
By making 90% of the guns obsolete? No, the SSG, while cool as fuck, was a detriment to overall quality of the game.
>>339984973
False.
Chaingunners were a mistake.
>>339984973
>By making 90% of the guns obsolete?
It's inferior to RL in most situations, CG/SG at long range, PG and BFG - always.
It's better than pistol and fist, but everything is.
DOOM 64 is the real DOOM 2. Just like D44M is the real DOOM 3.
We always have to wait until we get an apology game.
>>339984973
this isn't deathmatch kiddo, besides ssg jousting is the best anyway
>>339984951
>Good
Revenant, Mancubus, Arachnotron, Arch-Vile
>Filler
Hell Knight
>Shit
Pain Elemental, Chaingunner
>>339985259
SSG is better than everything before the RL in all situations save for Chaingun sniping, is safer to use than the RL, and has far more ammo than every other weapon in the game.
The Ultimate NMD is a great Doom 1 megawad, it fixes some of the shittier maps in the later episodes and generally has a really high tier vanilla-esque style, a lot of the maps are thematically very close to the originals. Recently did a UV playthrough, pretty good.
>>339985572
theyre all good shitter especially now that you have the babying of modern sourceports
>>339985572
Arachnotrons can fuck off.
>>339984000
Worse level design and annoying enemy placement (which is really part of the level design). Super Shotgun and every new enemy that except Pain Elementals and Arch-Viles are good though.
>>339985747
>safer
see theres your problem you just need to git gud
>>339985572
Pretty much 100% accurate.
>>339985747
>SSG is better than everything before the RL in all situations save for Chaingun sniping
It's inferior to CG at medium-long range and when you are fighting easy-to-stunlock enemies like arachnotron. SG is better at range is well.
>is safer to use than the RL
Yes, but RL does SSG point-blank damage at any range with a splash and fires much faster, it's a much superior gun.
So, SSG is better than pistol (unless sniping but seriously, fuck pistol), almost always better than SG, usually better than CG, usually worse than RL, not even close to PG and BFG. Seems like fine balance to me, a strong weapon but not even close to the strongest ones.
>>339985572
>>339986057
chaingunners a shit
/thread
>>339986196
Chaingunners a cute!
>>339984973
It didn't really change the way I play much. In DOOM 1 I use the shotgun 90% of the time, switching to other weapons as necessary, like the chaingun or rocket launcher for large groups, chainsaws for demons, fist whenever I've got a Berserker Pack, and the BFG when I absolutely have to kill every mother fucker in the room. The Plasma gun sometimes.
In DOOM II it's basically the same thing, except I use the SSG in place of the shotgun most of the time unless I'm low on ammo or just trying to save it.
>>339986006
Ehh I guess I like having enemies that drop energy cells.
>Take a half step into an area
>SURPRISE MOTHERFUCKER YOU'RE SURROUNDED
>Walk into a teleporter
>SURPRISE MOTHERFUCKER YOU'RE SURROUNDED
>Start a new level
>YOU'LL
>NEVER
>GUESS
>WHAT
>HAPPENS
It's like a romhack made by a complete twat. I expect a level like Tricks and Traps in fucking Mario Maker.
>>339986196
>>339986332
They don't drop anything in vanilla Doom... are you a BD player???
>>339986332
But they didn't.
>>339986442
They don't drop energy cells in BD.I know because I'm a BD player.
>>339986380
>>339986380
>>339986380
fuck
>>339986338
I don't understand the hate for Tricks and Traps, it's not that bad, really. The Chasm on the other hand...
>>339985572
>Hell Knight
>Filler
Have you fucking played Inferno? Barons aren't a good enemy. They have a deadly melee, a deadly and fast ranged, and are one of the most obnoxious bullet sponges in the game. The Hell Knight is a rebalanced Baron that doesn't have a billion fucking health, so you can get away with putting more Hell Knights in your map without it feeling like a slog, like Inferno does with its Barons.
The additions to the beastiary in Doom 2 are a huge part of what makes it superior to the original, even if the maps are arguably worse.
>Somehow played Doom 2 for 20 years without noticing that missing ceiling texture in Nirvana.
Is shitting on DOOM II a nu-gamer critique? Like how Sonic the Hedgehog was actually this super difficult game all along because you can't push right to win!
>>339986862
What?
>>339986856
Barons are OK but they're bad when overused.
>>339986918
No, it's been a widely accepted opinion for fucking ever. Doom 2 has it's strengths but 1 was always the favorite.
>>339984000
It's great game too, but I do think Doom 1 is superior, having played them both for the first time. The SSG is a great addition to your arsenal, and the new enemies (minus the Pain Elemental) really fill in the holes in OG Doom's enemy list.
But the levels are so weird and annoying in Doom 2 that it's hard for me to not prefer Doom 1. Doom 1's level design felt more natural, and the progression of episodes felt a lot better. Going from space base, to hellish space base, to hell itself is great. Doom 2 just feels like a random mish mash
Like I said, it's still good, but Doom 1 is the better experience IMO.
>>339986380
>TNT.jpg
>>339984973
Shotgun is for sniping, no other weapon in the game has the long range accuracy it does.
Super shotgun however is better at close ranges, especially when you need to take out several weak enemies at once, like shotgunners and imps.
They're both useful, but you use the shotgun less because there are fewer situations where you need to hit an enemy far away.
The SSG did not make the shotgun or any other weapon obsolete. People who use it all the time for every enemy are bad at the game.
>all these babies starting threads about Classic Doom because they just played it for the first time after finishing new Doom
>they think they have valid opinions on a game released before they were born
laughing out loud
>>339987146
>Shotgun is for sniping, no other weapon in the game has the long range accuracy it does.
That's false, CG and pistol have perfect accuracy if you one-tap them.
>>339987146
>he can't beat the game solely with the SSG
And you call other people bad?
>>339984000
Because Doom 1 is good from start to finish with only a few low tier levels. Doom 2 is good until Dead Simple, then the entire game goes to shit after that.
>>339986862
You mean that shit WASN'T just my game bugging out?
>>339986856
>The additions to the beastiary in Doom 2 are a huge part of what makes it superior to the original, even if the maps are arguably worse.
But the additions to the bestiary help contribute to why the maps are worse. Enemies that are more of a pain to fight on maps that are a slog to get through make for a bad combo.
>the sound of a roaming archvile
it will forever haunt me
>>339987270
>Refinery
>Command Center
>Halls of the Damned
>Spawning Vats
>Hell Keep
>Unholy Cathedral
>Mt Erebus
>Limbo
>Warrens
>Good
You're out of your mind.
>>339987270
False. KDID and Shoes of Hell are mostly good with a couple bad maps. Inferno is a boring slog the whole way and Thy Flesh Consumed is hard for the sake of hard garbage.
>>339987231
>implying DOOM wasn't a lot of kids first game
It was bundled with the PS1. That's how I got my exposure to DOOM.
>>339987645
TFC is great! Well, not all of it, but Hell Beneath and Perfect Hatred are good, they're hard but also very short so it's not annoying. The later maps I remember being pretty boring, though.
>>339986856
Maybe it's because I've been playing DOOM for 21 years, but they're really not that bad. Yeah they hurt, but on most occasions in the first game it's not hard to put some distance between you and them and hit them with five rockets. It's really only in Thy Flesh Consumed and DOOM II that they can be annoying.
Nope, doom 2 is vastly superior
>>339987231
Yeah they do. Fucking idiot
i have only played the GB SP version of DOOM
fight me
>>339987453
The game is fucking boring without Archviles, Revenants, Mancubi and Arachnotrons. There I said it. Yeah, Chain Gunners and Pain Elementals are bullshit but that's the price we have to pay for a much, much more varied and interesting cast of hellspawn.
>>339988087
At least you got to """enjoy""" the unique E3M1.
>>339988115
>The game is fucking boring without Archviles, Revenants, Mancubi and Arachnotrons.
True.
>>339987231
>An opinion that has been held by many people for years.
>n-no it's just the doom 4 kid that think that
Revvin' up that spicy opinion.
Doom > Doom 64 > Doom 2 > Doom 4 >>> Doom 3
>tfw I like brutal doom
>everyone hates it because the dev is a racist
posting this here because it needs more exposure than just /vr/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HJcf0aOwmiA
Doom 2 > Doom 1 in every way but level design
>>339988518
1 has better levels, balance, and music.
>>339988380
It's not that. It's that BD is essentially a different game from classic Doom with wildly different gameplay that simply doesn't work with most maps.
A lot of people unfamiliar with the Doom modding scene saw BD as the hot new way to play the game and cast aside classic gameplay. This combined with what an egotist the dev was stirred a lot of anger in the community.
>>339987645
>Thy Flesh Consumed is hard
Did you even play the whole thing?
>>339988380
You left out some key points buddy
>dev stole code from other modders
>acts like a complete shithead
>implements features that break the game
And that's also not including his fanbase of retards who act like BD is DA WAY IT WAS MEANT TO BE
Best single player campaign
Doom 4 > Doom > Doom 2 > Doom 64 > Doom 3
Best total package
Doom 2 > Doom > Doom 4 > Doom 3 > Doom 64
64 was single player only and never achieved the intensity level of 1,2, or 4. 3 is still worse off than 4 even with its modding tools it has shite multiplayer worse than doom 4. Doom 2 wins because of all the content it has with custom wads.
So why do people think "glory kills" are a good addition to neo DOOM? I really don't get it, it ruins the gameplay since it just instantly kills the mob when they are at a certain HP.
>>339988826
>>339988882
But why si it wrong to like doom 1 and BD? It seems you get shit on for mentioning BD at all these days. It's a nice mod after playing the original.
Can we talk about how shit Hexen is compared to Heretic?
>tfw I'm at the final hub and these shitty zombie ghosts keep respawning every 30 seconds
JESUS FUCK WHY
>>339989076
>So why do people think "glory kills" are a good addition to neo DOOM?
Because they're underage.
>>339989076
>just instantly kills the mob when they are at a certain HP
The "certain HP" is pretty low, so?
>>339989076
Because they flow nicely with the rest of the game
>>339989103
Hexen is god tier, you shut your whore mouthmortal.
>>339989083
>Why is it wrong to like Doom 1?
Hipsters. It is universally accepted as having a great campaign, though it definitely has flaws.
>and BD?
If you like it, that's fine. I think everyone's had some fun with it, it's just that the mod had the misfortunate of becoming babby's first gameplay mod. Saying you like it is taken as code for "I am very unfamiliar with the modding community for this game." And if that's true about you, I encourage you to look further into Doom modding. There's much, much more out there than Brutal Doom.
>>339989135
shut the fuck up, I grew up on the original games and I have put more hours into them than you ever have and quake and probably every other 90s fps out there. Glory kills were a good addition to the new doom because they introduce a risk to reward element, the only place you can use them haphazardly is the first couple levels. Once you get further in the game you barely pull them off unless you get a really good opportunity just because you have a few frame of invulnerability when you pull one off doesnt save the damage you will take after from demons in later levels. The health you get back is miniscule and unnecessary for the risk most of the time as the game drops health when you are low anyway. Turning off the glory kill glow indication makes them more fun and most low level demons die too fast to the more powerful guns to even waste your time stunning and glory killing them.
>>339989076
Helps keep the game flowing. Especially with the faster glory kill and further glory kill runes.
It just seems like the natural evolution of the fists.
So I'm about to play Doom 3 for the first time. How much am I going to hate this if I absolutely loved the first two gamesand 64?
>>339989610
It's Doom in name alone.
>>339984000
New monsters and weapons are neat, but the level design isn't
>>339989610
It's more System Shock than it is Doom. The action is very slow and methodical in comparison and the map design is pretty ehh.
Try its expansion, they tried a lot harder to make it more "video gamey" than the horror experience of Doom 3.
>>339989571
How does it keep the flow of combat when it takes complete control of your character for a period of time. It sucks that the game pretty much makes you to get ammo
>>339989547
Epic copypasta, bro. Be sure to show your facebook friends how you totally pwned some internet stranger.
>>339989610
It's like Doom 64 without the fun.
>>339988491
That was great.
>>339989610
It depends on how much you enjoy slower-paced, linear FPS games.
>>339989610
Be prepared to laugh at these inept fucks.
>Overly long phasing in animation that they're completely vulnerable during.
what were they thinking
>>339989610
Eh it's still a good shooter. Would have gotten more marks if HL2 didn't come out at the same time.
>>339989706
Faster glory kills can make them almost instant.
>>339989830
So, like Doom 64 then.
>>339989765
thanks for thinking my original content was good enough to be cp. You're one of those 20 year old purists who didnt even play the original game until after doom 3 was already out.
>>339986380
>>339989571
>Helps keep the game flowing
How about the game keeps flowing with its gunplay?
>>339989830
doom 64 was boooooring.
>>339989610
Loads of thumping zombies with the flashlight and monster closets out the ass
So what does carmack and romero think about the new doom?
>>339990115
>>339989706
You don't get ammo from glory kills. You get 10 health.
And whilst they do take control away from your character (though this is made a nonfactor by certain runes), they allow you to navigate the map much smoother than you normally would be able to. You can use them to reach higher areas, you can use them to cover bigger distances, you can use them to drop down onto a stunned enemy. They're designed to keep you moving in combat.
People can have their SSGs I'll take my regular Shotgun and shoot you three times in the time it takes to pass the reloading animation.
>>339986862
Intredasting
Did not know that
>>339984000
Both games are shit
So /v/, how big is your wad folder?
>>339990362
Not with an upgraded SSG you dip.
>>339989076
>it ruins the gameplay since it just instantly kills the mob when they are at a certain HP
How? They are almost always within 1 shot of dying anyway by the time they can be glory killed.
>>339991229
Shit, it's bigger than I thought.
