>Bosses are too videogamey
At least I haven't heard devs talking too much about cinematic experiences lately.
Reminds me, I really should get my buzz words checklist ready for E3.
Well I mean you're not wrong I guess
>>339969987
Mind if you share? I feel like I'm missing some
>>339969987
>>339970631
Same anon
>>339970080
>cinematic forced slow-walk section with no dialogue
>you have to go out of your way to get collectibles and resource items
Last of Us is a fucking chore to play. It's fucking agony, it's so goddamn slow.
>>339969709
>Theres too much gameplay in video games
>videogames are too bossy
>>339969709
>The game isn't cinematic enough. We're trying to hit the Hollywood bar here, people
>>339970080
It's the most exciting part though, boss fights are the big climax, your reward. The only person who would say this is the type who doesn't even enjoy playing games. Why play if it's all just a chore to you?
>>339971065
We all know that these fags trying to take over or change what videogames are don't play them.
Post your face when the new Mass Effect still lacks a final boss like 3.
>>339971527
2 was disappointing enough for me to stop caring
>>339971065
becauseMUHEXPERIENCE
>>339970080
Yeah, there's never EVER been a series where boss battles have been half the appeal!
>>339969709
They are, Look what happened to thief.
They put a final boss battle with a ghost you need to sneak and like killing the alien queen in avp, you need to go to different parts of the house or whatever you are, and press some switches.
Its totally retarded.
>>339971065
because this is the ''nu-gaming'' era, bosses and technological advancements (AKA graphics) don't matter, all it matters is THE STORY MAN, SUCH A GOOD STORY DUDE
>>339971527
I thought Dragon Age Inquisition was ok, ignoring all the SJW garbage. I'm still fucking mad about 3, so I'm either not going to buy Andromeda or just rent it.
>>339971527
I'll only be angry if it turns out people still care about Mass Effect. The game exists in a dark era of science fiction and people act like it's a poster child of anything at all.
>>339972101
>One game has a shitty boss
>This is the video game's fault for having a bad boss and not the shitty dev
>"See? All bosses are bad and should be taken out of video games to be more inclusive to everyone! Check your privilege."
>>339969709
>talentless toolbag can't into film industry
>does "vidya that isn't too video gamey" instead
There you go.
>>339972114
But bosses are usually the climax fight in good story based games too.
>>339972330
>game was good without the boss mechanic
>now every single fucking game has a boss
Imagine all those games without the boss mechanic?
like 60% would improve because of that.
>>339970080
But I always look forward to boss fights.
>>339972952
Not to lazy assholes who would rather be watching a movie.
Bad boss battles are the worst thing ever.
Good boss battles are fantastic.
The problem is, it takes real talent to design a satisfying boss battle.
>>339973796
It's like they don't understand that traditional pacing and exposition do not work well in video games. It's like books and movies; techniques that work well in a novel may not translate well to a movie, so why try to present a game like a movie?
>>339970986
>Follow our hashtag #banbossygames
>>339974325
because its the same as the mini boss, boss big boss ultra boss formula.
you grind shit, then you have a bossfight
more grinding
another bossfight.
its an old formula, wich somehow still works, but its totally retarded, and keeps going because of reasosn i dont know.
>>339975751
Not every game is an RPG. Grinding isn't a necessary mechanic to facing bosses. Bosses are supposed to be a test of your mastery of game mechanics, so you can prove you deserve to overcome the harshest thing the game can throw at you before moving on to other things in your life.
If the game ends with something like a quicktime button prompt, it's like the developers told you to go home and fuck off, not caring if you got gud or not.
>>339976674
Not all, but now most games have some kind of RPG or upgrade mechanics.
Im thinking there are more ways to do it, but everyone rely on the same formula... because it werks, it just werks.
no one will try to understand a new way to interact with shit, like you got overwhelmed by an enemy and you can escape, then learn how to get gud in the process, and then go and kill that motherfucker, nowdays the training mission is carried on along the entire game, not just a small tutorial, and you and only you to get gud, with skill.
>>339971928
I'd argue Darkest of Days is a better FPS than Infinite. Mostly since the guns worked better in that game.
>>339972958
>some games have shitty bosses
>therefore all games shouldn't have bosses
is this a troll?
>>339977705
you're a fucking idiot
>>339978553
Ok, keep playing your generic FPS shooter with rpg elements and boosfights because we want the CoD and the WoW audience.
proves your shit taste.
>>339969709
>having to play
>not being able to skip gameplay and just watch cutscenes
>>339969709
CARL
CARL
CAAAAAAAAAARL
>>339978676
Cod doesn't even do bossfights.
Boss fights are only "too video gamey" if they don't fit with the mood of the rest of the game.
>>339978805
Helper?
>There needs to be video games that are not just "fun" the medium needs to grow up!
>>339977705
>Not all, but now most games have some kind of RPG or upgrade mechanics
They advertise as having RPG elements because people think leveling up and having stats is "RPG elements." In reality this has nothing to do with being an RPG and there aren't many RPGs in general.
>>339978954
But is how a FPS shooter must be at minimum.
>>339979746
i remember seing people, playing a shit flash game about shit drawn birds, and how they fly, some have more speed, some have better... flying? and the goal is to flight as much as you can, by giving the fucking poor drawn liitle bird abillities, and he was playing because of that, he didnt care about the game being made in 2 minutes in flash player, it cared because muh rpg elemets.
Number autist are the fucking worse.
>>339979054
Every game should have boss fights. Even tetris.
The mainstream media for video games is so horrible right now. it's just a bunch of stuck up wackjobs who don't actually give a fuck about video games using it as a pedestal so people would actually listen to their stupid bullshit ideologies. since nobody in their right minds would respect them as art critics
hold me /v/ i'm scared
>>339970080
t. someone who only plays western games. boss fights are the best part of games by Atlus, Treasure, Falcom, etc.
>>339980162
shit sucks yo
You know what? Ever since Souls became a major hit, games in which bosses are basically the highlight of every game. I haven't heard many people shitting on bosses.
HYPOTHESIS: People actually don't dislike bosses, they dislike shitty bosses, which western games tend to have.
>>339980681
I hope he isn't implying that Souls bosses are complicated because nearly all of them are learn how to dodge and hit the boss until it dies.
>>339980864
Ding ding ding. Western games nowadays are about an experience that anyone can enjoy; having a challenging boss fight would just prevent people from experiencing the rest of the game.
>>339970080
what a faget
>>339969709
>>Bosses are too videogamey
who in the actual fuck says this
Bosses can be good but usually they're shit so I would rather there were none.
>>339981404
I googled it and it seems to have something to do w/ bioware
>>339970080
I love this guy, Black Mirror is great but he doesn't know shit about vidya
>>339980908
That's almost every boss in any game ever other than in fighting games
Bosses arent even B O S S
>>339981404
theres an article out there of someone defending that stance
>>339976674
Grinding isn't even necessary in most RPGs that aren't dogshit
>>339982023
Remember everyone isn't a gamer god like you and me slick
>>339981742
I bet that guy likes Uncharted and other games that lean towards antirealism more so than games like autism military shooter (read: Arma). Do consoles even have any realistic games? Arma is literally the only game I can think of
>>339982380
Of course Cheong wrote that
>>339981742
It's amazing how this comment perfectly describes why Japan generally makes better games, even to this day.
They aim to make fucking games, they don't start off with "Oh it's going to be a story about an old man and a little girl..."
it's "What if you could fucking launch enemies into the air with a fucking 5 foot sword, and then juggle them with your twin pistols?"
Of course some western developers make great games and some Japs extremely shit ones, but with way too many western games you can tell they came up with the story and characters first and then slapped an TPS on it.
>>339982330
Not really. I actually fucked around on purpose and tried playing Dragon Quest V by going from point A to point B and the only times I actually had to stop and grind were at the very beginning, and a few times when I wanted to add a specific monster to my party. Sure RPGs give you the option to just level up to 99 and mash attack through every fight, but most of em that aren't horribly balanced (looking at you, Luminous Arc) require little to no grinding as long as you play smart.
>>339982704
Awesome
>>339982380
>>339982380
>an "established rule of the game" is enemies die in a few hits
Except in most games, the first boss fight is typically within the first 20 minutes of the game. Of course if you take too small of a sample size about "what the game is about" you're going to find contrasting elements. What a fuckin dummy.
